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Carl Bildt throws his hat into the ring for Dhimmi of the Year. From KUNA, with thanks to Sparta:
SARAJEVO, March 12 (KUNA) -- UN Commissioner to the Balkans Carl Bildt on Saturday called for recognizing Islam as part of the European culture, asserting that Muslims in Balkan formed a unique and positive factor in European affairs.In a statement on the Balkan Convention for Development and Cooperation, which took place in Macedonia, Bildt told KUNA that Muslims in the Balkans, especially in Bosnia and Kosovo, proved that they are characterized with tolerance and cooperation with other societies, noting that they were victims of the others, not visa versa.
Here's some evidence of that wonderful tolerance. You can read more about this in my book Onward Muslim Soldiers. Here is a letter from Bosnia, written in 1860 by the acting British Consul in Sarajevo, James Zohrab:
The hatred of the Christians toward the Bosniak Mussulmans is intense. During a period of nearly 300 years they were subjected to much oppression and cruelty. For them no other law but the caprice of their masters existed....Oppression cannot now be carried on as openly as formerly, but it must not be supposed that, because the Government employés do not generally appear as the oppressors, the Christians are well treated and protected. (Quoted in Bat Ye'or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam, p. 423.)
The KUNA article continues:
Bildt, who is the former UN commissioner for Bosnia and former Sweden's prime minister, said the war in Bosnia proved that Muslims were victims and did not practice revenge based upon religion or ethnicity, which reinforces the fundamentals of their religious culture that prevents such practices.
But what happened to the churches?
The official expressed dissatisfaction at the thoughts promoting doubts toward European Muslims or the thoughts that Islam is an abnormal religion in Europe, stressing that cultural and religious pluralisms are the main components of all European societies and there is no single European country occupied by the followers of only one religion or ethnicity.
This is beside the point. The question is not ethnicity or even solely religion. It is about the ultimate goals of Muslims in Europe vis-a-vis Sharia.
Posted by Robert at May 11, 2005 9:49 AM
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"Muslims in Balkan formed a unique and positive factor in European affairs."
Sure they did:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006111.php
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at May 11, 2005 10:21 AM
"Bildt told KUNA that Muslims in the Balkans, especially in Bosnia and Kosovo, proved that they are characterized with tolerance and cooperation with other societies, noting that they were victims of the others, not visa versa.
Help! I laughed so hard when I read this that I hurt my back! Owwwww!
at May 11, 2005 10:24 AM
Hilarious. Why do muslim socioties need to be singled out for having peaceful, manageable socioties? Because there aren't very many examples. That just proves the point. The UN will never single out a Bhuddist country for being peaceful, because it is already the norm.
Posted by: theflea at May 11, 2005 10:34 AM
Islam is not European culture, it is the residue of the Ottoman Empire which is an invading culture, has this man no knowledge of history, what a Richard the third. If my geography is correct the Ottoman Empire was based in Asia Minor, which is not Europe.
The rest of Europe only had the pleasure of this culture (cult) when mass immigration took place with the massive influx of Saudi Arabian oil money to lubicate its delusional followers...
The mind just boggles! Really, this man should be ashamed of himself, our elites are just amazing, only elite in their own brand of stupidity!
Posted by: Daffersd at May 11, 2005 10:37 AM
All you need to know is this "Bildt, who is the former UN commissioner for Bosnia and former Sweden's prime minister". Swedish; what a great track record Sweden has. We know where his head has been and still is.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at May 11, 2005 11:58 AM
"We know where his head has been and still is.
Peeeewwww!
at May 11, 2005 1:19 PM
Yeah, those Handscharr divisions were all for cultural and religious pluralism. What about the influx of radical groups like Al Qaeda during the 90's? What about Mr. Alija Izetbegovic?
"President Alija Izetbegovic's Islamic Declaration, first published in 1970 when it earned him a prison sentence, demanded a fully-fundamentalist Muslim state in Bosnia without scope for non-Muslim institutions or any division between religion, politics, and economics. The book was republished in 1990 in Sarajevo (by Mala Muslimanska Biblioteka). It scathingly attacks Attaturk's reforms and holds up Pakistan as a model to be followed."
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/alija.html
What about this:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~frankti/Government_96-1/wartime_arms_supply.html
If you want something done properly first make sure there are no Swedes around.
Posted by: Leveller at May 11, 2005 1:38 PM
We know where his head has been and still is.
And he is from the rightwing
First we had the late great Olaf Palme from the left lapping it up with the late Afatrat,and now Bildt from the swedish right lapping with the muzis
Hejda underbar Sverige jag skal sakna dig
at May 11, 2005 1:51 PM
Islam is not a European culture. Read Bat Ye'or's Eurabia for details on why this and European politicos are doing dhimmi service for Islam.
Posted by: epg at May 11, 2005 2:01 PM
The words 'Islam' and 'culture' aren't ones you would normally associate.
Posted by: Elephant at May 11, 2005 2:38 PM
Urine is a part of everyone's culture too, but that doesn't mean we ingest it.
Posted by: DCWatson at May 11, 2005 2:42 PM
Genghis Khan supposedly has 17 Million descendants. 1 in every 200 mongolians is a descendant. Doesn't change the fact that he was, and will always be recognized as one of the greatest murderers of all time.... or so we think. Turns out that in mongolia they are researching ways on putting a positive spin on the whole thing, seeing as how he is related to almost everyone, and is 'like a God' to them.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/05/09/news/mongol.php
Something to match Islam in the making....?
Posted by: Absolution at May 11, 2005 4:24 PM
Note to Europe:
Islam means submission. That's the goal of Islamists-to get Europe to submit to Islam and Sharia.
Posted by: Freedom1 at May 11, 2005 5:52 PM
Let's get a list of the names of all the politicians and others who say things like this, so that after the war we can try them for treason.
Posted by: Voltaire at May 11, 2005 6:48 PM
Seymour Paine
Carl Bildt - having sold out his country, now wants the EU to follow Sweden's example.
Sometimes I think that this Islam thing is like a Pyramid sell. If you have been conned into joining, your only hope is to get others to join in as well. This has the advantage that your burden as well as guilt is lightened, and one begins to feel a little more normal as a consequence.
Methinks Carl Bildt is doing this on a grander scale for Sweden's sake.
Posted by: DP111
at May 11, 2005 6:52 PM
Sometimes I think that this Islam thing is like a Pyramid sell. If you have been conned into joining, your only hope is to get others to join in as well. This has the advantage that your burden as well as guilt is lightened, and one begins to feel a little more normal as a consequence.
Once you "join" Islam the only way to get back your self-respect and honor is by inflicting the same destruction, rape, theft, and cultural annihilation on others that you experienced yourself when you "joined" the Islamic fold. That is why Pakistanis make such good jihadis.
Posted by: emperor_diocletian at May 11, 2005 7:37 PM
Darn straight dp111. Muslim pyramid scheme indeed. Roll over Tutankhamen and tell Muhammad the news..
Posted by: dennisw at May 11, 2005 8:27 PM
Same as the Mafia,you can only leave Islam feet first. Apostates will be killed. Just look at how it's open season on the Shi'ites of Iraq. I feel terrible about so many human beings killed at a clip by Sunni psychos. Shi'ites are considered apostate by Sunnis
*** What an awful web we weave, when in Muhammad we believe.
Posted by: dennisw at May 11, 2005 8:33 PM
‘DP111’, an excellent point that I have not heard before, nor a connection I had made. A pyramid scheme, indeed. One only has to read the rantings of the convert Tameem on this board to see this. Tameem has been suckered into the submission cult, and wishes others to feel the misery and degradation for which he/she fell, though denying that degradation all the while. Can’t sell the product to new suckers if one tells the truth! Why else would there be so much noise made of islam’s positive culture? A positive culture would have no need of someone singing its praises, as noted by ‘theflea’ in his/her comment on the peaceful nature of Buddhism. Islam: Res ipsa loquitor.
Posted by: Rick at May 12, 2005 5:18 AM
So you need to go back to the nineteenth century to find examples of Balkan Muslim intolerance, eh? Well, here's an update:
Aliu says Bujanovac desperately needs the planned [multi-ethnic] school. "Our goal is to improve our co-existence here," he said. "Besides, we'd like to bring pupils from the whole of Serbia and Kosovo to this school. Children will choose which language to use for studies, and we won't impose anything on anyone," he said.
In the meantime, Serb and Albanian politicians are divided on the issue, with most Albanians supporting the project and most Serbs voicing reservations. (http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/bcr3/bcr3_200412_532_2_eng.txt)
Ranka Madzarevic-Petkovic, another Serb, who lost her husband in the 1992-5 war, agreed. "My Muslim neighbours are wonderful to me," she told the radio. "We must build a new life, and at least live next to each other."
Ranka’s neighbor, Fatima Mehmedagic, a Bosniak who lost three sons in the war, said, "Reconciliation would be much easier if everybody was like me and Ranka. We take care of each other. Serbian neighbours cultivate my piece of land - we get along." (http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/bcr3/bcr3_200410_521_4_eng.txt)
This is not to say that the Balkans are devoid of intolerance:
As the flames flickered through the stone walls of the 17th-century Bajrakli mosque in Belgrade, the sound of Orthodox church music played surreally from a nearby car. A man appeared out of the clouds of smoke, carrying a looted green flag with the crescent of Islam. "Serbia has Risen!" he shouted. (http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/bcr3/bcr3_200403_486_2_eng.txt)
Aca Singer, veteran leader of the diminished Jewish community in Serbia, says the wave of hostile graffiti, as well as the threatening messages on various websites, are a cause for concern. […]
"In the past five years over a hundred anti-Semitic books have been published in Serbia," said Singer.
"Some of the latest are 'The Serbs In The Claws Of The Jew' and 'Jewish Ritual Murder'. The latter, published by IHTUS Christian Books, says
Jews kill Christian children in order to knead bread with their blood." […]
Obraz, which means "Honour" is a right-wing movement preaching allegiance to the Serbian Orthodox Church and to Serbdom in general and encouraging passionate hostility to a list of what it calls enemies of the nation and the church. Mladen Obradovic, president of Obraz, told IWPR that Obraz’s core values were love of God and good will to people, regardless of where they come from. But their website tells a different story. A mission statement on the site contains a strongly-worded "Proclamation to the Enemies of Obraz", who are defined as "Zionists, converts to Islam, Ustashe [Croat fascists], democrats, false pacifists, perverts, criminals and drug addicts". (http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/bcr3/bcr3_200503_544_6_eng.txt)
I know, of course, that not all Christians in Serbia are Jew haters, and that not all Muslims are open minded latte sippers. There are numerous examples on IWPR one could cite in opposition to the examples I’ve posted here. Just goes to show how pulling out random quotes from wherever proves nothing.
P.S. Daffersd, South-of-Sahara Africans and Native Americans seem quite happy with the religion that they now practice, despite being originally converted by the sword. Indeed, it's an open question whether a Galilean religion (if my geography is correct, Israel and Palestine are not part of Europe) could have flourished on the continent if not for the backing of the imperial arms of Constantine and his successors. Oh, and oil money is not driving Muslims to immigrate to the West – it's their lack of oil money! Here’s to a socialist spreading of wealth in the Gulf!
at May 12, 2005 11:01 AM
Rick posted:Can’t sell the product to new suckers if one tells the truth! Why else would there be so much noise made of islam’s positive culture?
Point - didnt think of that. You are right, Pyramid selling is usually associated with sub-standard goods. The packaging is good but dont look too closely at the contents in the box. This is how so many Westerners get caught in the Pyramid sell of islam, and then spend all their lives trying to get some other innocent to accept the package.
at May 12, 2005 5:47 PM
dennisw posted:Muslim pyramid scheme indeed. Roll over Tutankhamen and tell Muhammad the news.
LOL.
at May 12, 2005 5:49 PM
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