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May 21, 2005

Sweden 'violated' torture treaty

So what should they have done? Given him asylum in Sweden? With what assurance that he would not continue jihad activities there? From the BBC, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:

Sweden has been found guilty of violating the international convention against torture for deporting a terror suspect to Egypt.

The UN's committee against torture said Sweden should have known that Egypt consistently tortured detainees.

At the time, the Swedish government said it had been given assurances that Ahmed Agiza would be treated fairly.

Correspondents say the ruling is a blow to Sweden which prides itself on its human rights record.

'Widespread torture'

The UN said Sweden breached its duties when it extradited asylum seeker Agiza in December 2001.

Agiza, a former member of Islamic Jihad, was sentenced in his absence to 25 years in jail in 1998.

He applied for asylum in Sweden three years later but was turned down on security grounds.

He was handed over to US authorities who chained and hooded him and flew him to jail in Egypt.

Agiza's family claim he was subject to electric shock treatment and other abuses in the first weeks after being placed in Egyptian custody.

But Swedish officials who visited him in prison said they saw no signs of torture.

Posted by Robert at May 21, 2005 7:40 AM
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In the last chapter of Oriana Fallaci's "La Forza della Ragione", we find that the author finds hope for mankind after watching a New Year's Eve celebration in NYC, a direct defiance to Bin Laden's terrorism.

I am a lot more sceptical than Fallaci is, and after reading this story I know I am right.

Here is a "pretty stupid" idea for the UN: why not condemn Egypt - the country that actually tortures people - instead of Sweden?

The UN has always been a disgrace and a mockery to international law.

Posted by: alex221166 [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 21, 2005 8:49 AM

This is the same dhimmi mentality that is exhibited by all the self-flaggelating "provocateurs" of jihad-inspired murder and mayhem. Afterall, the Islamic ideology did not cause the rioting over the completely fictitious Koran flush tale, it was Newsweek who murdered the innocents.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 21, 2005 9:07 AM

I get the feeling that the expression "the boy who cried wolf" will soon be replaced with "the Muslim who cried torture" in the popular lexicon.

And will cease to be taken seriously.

Along with rumors of "Koran abuse".

(Or, if Condi 'The Dhimmi' Rice were saying it "Holy Qu"ran abuse".)

Posted by: BigSleep [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 21, 2005 10:01 AM

If mossies don't achnowledge human rights declaration, why cry now?

Posted by: enoughisenough [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 21, 2005 10:08 AM

Spot on Hulequ:

''Afterall, the Islamic ideology did not cause the rioting over the completely fictitious Koran flush tale, it was Newsweek who murdered the innocents.

I like that! Islamic reasoning, if there is such a thing. In this case it works!

Apart from that I couldn't give a rats ass whether they roast a Mohammedan Jihad-freak slowly or quick, as long as he is being roasted, which we don't do. Whatever it takes to accelerate the process: I'm all for it.

But is that worth 2 billion per annum?
Do it yourself would be cheaper, NO?

Posted by: Terminator [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 21, 2005 10:41 AM

Smoke and mirrors used to twist the truth, subjected to shock treatments...why not tell them what you know so you dont get shocked, It is after all your religion...reap what you sow baby, and lastly what @!%&*$# International Law? Did they impose any actions against muslim Iman's for upholding Sharia Law?

Sweden made the right choice and so will America in the upcoming extradition to Cuba of a known Terrorist with ties to the CIA. TURN HIM OVER

Posted by: chuck [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 21, 2005 11:12 AM

Why would eyggwypt even want torture this person? Is he a joo??,Is he a filthy kaffir infidel??

I get the feeling Agiza is a terry,so it follows the Islamic people in power in eyggwhippit would give him the cushy cell until a mysterious "escape" could be arranged.

Am I reading this wrong? or would Egypt abusing this holy warrior be like the US torturing a marine.

Isnt Egypt under the Islamic spell? And therefore in support of the jihadd,like our other supposed alles ,the Saudis??

I cant seem to get my head around the twisted anti-logic of this whole story , Some clarification please? , Thankyou

Posted by: AvrageJoe [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 21, 2005 11:55 AM

I get the hunch that often the terrorists and their governments are in cahoots in order to post their jihadis in infidel lands.

Here's how it could well go:
You make a noise, we pretend to arrest you, you pretend to be tortured, you seek asylum in an infidel country, so increasing the size of Allah's Barmy Army over there.

I often wonder if the Westerners who drew up these 'human rights' rules realized too what the score would be, either that or they were naive, or creating jobs for the boys in legal spheres as many politicians come from that background eg Tony Blair.

Posted by: Elephant [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 21, 2005 1:13 PM

Western standards re rules of war and against torture were framed by an era before the "People's War" became the preferred way of making war. In a sense, they're even a monument to a far simpler time when you lined up your gaudily-clad social rifraff a dozen miles out side the nearest town or village in plain view of a similar group of men and had them take potshots at each other with wildly inaccurate muskets.

I suppose the reason why Serbs vs. Bosniaks or Kosovars was so utterly horrifying was because it was the People's War planting itself firmly in the heart of Europe itself, rather than staying comfortably ensconced in Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

Posted by: Kepha [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 23, 2005 6:35 AM

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