Once a Resistance fighter, always a Resistance fighter. You go, girl!

Posted by: SCV at May 24, 2005 8:37 PM

One can only hope her health holds out and she can bring so light to the world .
I see more of this kind of thing coming,

but Muslims need to understand belonging to a hate group reguardless of how popular is still belonging to a hate group and that choice comes with certian baggage

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at May 24, 2005 8:40 PM

This is a very bad sign. If we can go to trial for our speech or our ideas, can our freedom continue? Christianity has been the subject of many books and articles over the years, I haven't heard of any trials involving the authors. Why should islam be treated as special?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 24, 2005 8:48 PM

Because muslims explode

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at May 24, 2005 8:53 PM

This is important:

Oriana Fallaci is the voice of reason, of sanity in a cesspool of PC and multi-culti defeatism! She has to win this one for all of us,- to bring the insidious strategies of the Mohammedan cult into the open and to placate the cowards who condone it for all the wrong reasons.

She has done so much already, I hope the judges in Italy will not let her down!

Posted by: Terminator at May 24, 2005 9:07 PM

Hang in there, Ms Fallaci!!

You are the Voice of millions.

You are leading the way to break through this idiotic suicidal PC wall.

You inspire men and women ALL OVER THE WORLD to rise up and fight this bloody ideology, and drive it out of their lands.

We're with You!!

Posted by: skidd at May 24, 2005 9:15 PM

She should not be subjected to a trial, especially one for "insulting" muslims. Her health is poor, she is old, and she is right on the mark when it comes to Islam and muslims. Her fellow Italians would be very wise to heed her warning, but they won't.

What has Europe become? Is there no outrage among Italians about this? Does she have no allies or defenders? I guess it has taken fifty years or longer for Europe to reach its regrettable state of affairs, but I still cannot fathom how indigenous Europeans could be so indifferent to what is happening right under their noses, or how European leaders could sell out their own civilization. It just boggles the mind.

Posted by: Susanp at May 24, 2005 10:53 PM

Way to go Ms.Oriana Fallaci!!

Fight the Thought Police and tell the Truth about the death cult of Islam!

You are an INSPIRATION to the WORLD!!

:)

Posted by: Freedom1 at May 24, 2005 10:54 PM

Hirsi Ali and Oriana Fallaci, leading the way while the dhimmis like Condoleeza Rice and Laura Bush coddle the Koranic cultists. (Or should I say "Holy" Koranic cultists?)

Here's a link to an interview that refers to her original cry -"The Rage and The Pride" -for the West to rise from its somnabulism and have the passion of its convictions for freedom (and you have to scroll down below "Osama Bin Laden's LETTER TO AMERICA" to find it, aptly enough):

http://www.mythofsisyphus.net/base/ideas./html

These women have passion, while our elected leaders have p.c. pablum.

Italy should be ashamed of itself.

Posted by: BigSleep at May 24, 2005 11:00 PM

Hirsi Ali and Oriana Fallaci, leading the way

These women have balls!! (pardon the french) Now where are the men who are supposed to be lugging them too.

Posted by: skidd at May 24, 2005 11:15 PM

P.S. -

The link to "www.mythofsisyphus.com" in the above posting leads to a generic home page, so do a "search" of the word "j'accuse" there and it will get you to her text -via the second hyperlink at the bottom of the page: (click on) "mythofsisyphus.net/base/ideas/html" - it is the one with the OBL 'letter'... the first link is a plain text of Fallaci's text, alone).

Quirky site, for some reason...

Posted by: BigSleep at May 24, 2005 11:16 PM

The lawsuit by itself proves Fallaci's point.

Posted by: JTF at May 24, 2005 11:20 PM

Strange.

So-called "man-made" law is inferior to the 'God-given' sharia and Islam-based law and it shouldn't be obeyed -- unless using it furthers Islam's lust for temporal power.

Posted by: urthshu at May 24, 2005 11:54 PM

Oriana Fallaci is not going on trial, the entire Western civilization is going on trial. Such spectacles are portentious signs that we are on the path that inevitably leads to a global conflagration. Tens of millions will die in its orgy of violence and billions will suffer. Woe to the present generation who allowed the jinn of jihad to escape from the bottle to which it had been confined by our ancestors by force of arms for more than a thousand years.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at May 24, 2005 11:58 PM

I read her Rage & Pride book. Great read. Her rage came through, loud and clear, off the pages of that book. Because she has Pride. No self-loathing dhimmi, Oriana. And she should be bloody proud of being Italian. Look at what Italy has given us. And look at what filthy Islam wants to take away from us - even the right to have our own opinions of it. It is disgusting that they are hauling a sick woman through the courts. But I'm sure they're hoping that even if they can't convict her of some trumped up charges, that the trauma alone finishes her off. This is a perfect example of the pure evil that is Islam.

Posted by: feralee at May 25, 2005 12:00 AM

Evviva la Fallaci!

This, and the flap at Amazon over a USED Qur'an with an angry phrase in it, leaves me with less regard for the leaders of Islamic organization in the West.

Posted by: Kepha at May 25, 2005 1:11 AM

I like the idea of Rev. Creighton Lovelace putting up a sign insulting Islam. He might not be an Orianna Fallaci but he's the best thing going today in the American public eye. If we can get him to mention spencer's site and get his fellow ministers to do the same, then Ms. Fallaci might rest a little easier, as will we. We need men and women like Lovelace to stand up and be counted. He's the kind of person who makes the difference. Fallaci is important as a social critic, but it's small town men and women who make things happen in this world when they listen to her and Spencer and Hugh and others of good sense and common reason. The intellectuals write so men and women like Lovelace can act.

Write to the newspaper in support of Rev. Lovelace. Let him and CAIR and America and Ms. Fallaci know that the time is coming when we will indeed flush Islam where it belongs.

Posted by: sonofwalker at May 25, 2005 1:34 AM

I just love this piece KAOSKTRL did a few days ago.

http://infidels.kafirnation.com/due%20you%20want%20to.gif

Posted by: sonofwalker at May 25, 2005 1:37 AM

PICKED UP BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA

http://washingtontimes.com/world/20050524-100551-2231r.htm

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at May 25, 2005 3:35 AM

I thought that state sanctioned punishment of people for criticising and opposing belief systems stopped ages ago. What are they going to do to her? Do a medieval show trial and burn her at the stake for criticising the Koran? What a load of uncivilised/pre-enlightenment back to the future insanity.

Posted by: obl r us at May 25, 2005 3:41 AM

Since we are indeed well on our way back to pre-enlightenment, I find it quite appropriate that the darkening gets the kind of official stamp a judgement against Ms Fallaci would undoubtedly appear as. I would rather see freedom of speech officially banned than living this illusion of freedom under the silent tyranny of political correctness that is so masterfully described in The Force of Reason. (It will appear in English in a couple of months, so see for yourself.)

Posted by: otranto at May 25, 2005 4:47 AM

The concept that "religious intolerance" could be against the law has already started here in the United States. Here is the first baby step. Soon there will be other resolutions with legislation to follow as has happened all over Europe, Canada, Australia, as well as other countries in the world where Muslims have convinced their legislatures that they are worthy of protection from evil non-Muslims.

The opposition of ideas, even of ideas in religion, is a hallmark of the West. Islam has somehow mesmerized the West into giving up a most precious ideal: freedom of expression. The irony is that this is a one-way street -- no expressions that oppose Islam are allowed, yet any all that oppose and demean all others are permitted to Islam.

Posted by: epg at May 25, 2005 5:50 AM

Bring on the prosecution. We need a new Dreyfus Affair.

Bring it on and we can rally around this brave tigress.

Posted by: Zico at May 25, 2005 6:42 AM

"The fight against Islamic terrorism is made more difficult by intellectual terrorism cloaked in anti-racism."

I have rarely heard it expresssed more clearly or succinctly than that.

As for Ms. Fallaci (who will probably fall victim to her fatal illness before even coming to trial), while I applaud her bravery, I wish she had not used the phrase "multiplied like rats". The vermin analogy reminds me of how Nazis described Jews (and how some Arabs and Muslims still describe them). I think she could have made her point without resorting to this loaded phrase.

Posted by: scaramouoche at May 25, 2005 6:47 AM

scaramouche

Good point.If we employ that kind of rhetoric we leave ourselves vulnerable to criticism.

But I would love to see a defence lawyer of Ms Fallaci, when she is confronted with this, quoting from the Koran the passage about Jews being sons of Pigs and Monkeys.

The world is waiting for a Dreyfus figure to be prosecuted and bring all the issues to the front.

Posted by: Zico at May 25, 2005 7:03 AM

Zico
if you remember - Dreyfus was NEVER found innocent by the antisemites of the French Military even when the real culprit confessed and submitted irrefutable proof and a succession of 'retrials".
The whole point of the Dreyfus case was not Dreyfus's innocence , it was the French's institutionalised antisemitism that would never clear a Jew of conviction of treason.
I believe that even today, a Statue of Dreyfus in Paris is defiled regularly.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at May 25, 2005 7:10 AM

chevalier de st george

But Dreyfus became a symbol around which the righteous could rally to bring to light the moral corruption and idiocy of the time.

Posted by: Zico at May 25, 2005 7:23 AM

Yes Zico - very well put.
i was merely suggesting that Oriana, whom i love dearly, is in now way able to endure such a trial because of her terminal illness and the fact that the Italian Judiciary will behave in the same way as the French in the Dreyfus case.
we are dealing with people who believe that the epitomy of civilisation is An Andalusian paradise, in which castration of young infidel males, harems and slavery are a role model for modern society.
people whose hatred for their own Christianty and civilisation is such that they are eager to rewrite the apalling History of islamic savagery and imperialism to sanitise it in every way they can.
europe is full of such traitors and indeed even the Romans themselves in the throes of the decline of their empire glorified the savages that would ultimately destroy them.
But i actually believe that this sickness is far more prevelent today than it was ever in european history.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at May 25, 2005 8:04 AM

chevalier de st george

Let us see. Just because Europe is slow to rouse does not mean it is doomed. The Enlightenment's weakness is that it assumed that there could be enlightenment, that people act rationally and ultimately if offered the fruits and benefits of this belief system they too will act in an enlightened way; and it assumed that Islam is a force that would be tamed because Muslims could be rationalised by the truth of the enlightenment, because they would also want and be attracted to the great things the Enlightenment achieved and aspires to.

But often, Muslims want things other than what is good and enlightened.

Islam has proved that it is impervious to the fruits of enlightenment; tolerance, individualism, universal human rights, freedom for women, free speech, democracy, plurality.

Europe shall have to adjust its project to take account of that. Lets see if it will. Do not be so pessimistic. It is up to us to see that this is realised.

Posted by: Zico at May 25, 2005 10:05 AM

scaramouche posted:I wish she had not used the phrase "multiplied like rats".

Quite right. Instead, I refer to it as the 'muslim demographic problem' that is a challenge to the West.

Posted by: DP111 at May 25, 2005 5:56 PM

Would "multiplied like rabbits" be more p.c.?

The Muslims in Europe gnaw away the the basis of a free society, encourage high birthrates of their second-class women (their fecundity blindly funded by the social services of the countries they invade), and have no concern for the countries they are destroying from within.

Rabbits eat your lettuce, they don't destroy your house.

Rabbits are cute and fuzzy, they don't carry the plague.

Which critter seems to fit the symbolic rebuke better?

Since no one in the Europe seems to remember much History or what the Nazis "meant" - or Goebbels' propaganda insults toward the Jews ...as the Europeans also become more anti-semitic and pro-"palestinian" by the day... I doubt that Fallaci's rodent simile will outrage anyone but the cunning Muslim invaders. The Jews sure aren't going to harass her over it. And the cowards in the EU will toe whatever line their Islamic infil-traitors put forward.

Fallaci is not trying to be "nice", but to give a warning that the West is being eaten away from inside.

"Termites" might be more accurate, but I'll allow that "rats" might have a different tone in Italian that a translator could sharpen when the English version is done.

Posted by: BigSleep at May 25, 2005 6:54 PM

Ms.Oriana Fallaci has offended Islam?

I hope she brings up the following in her defense:

009.030 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; in this they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

[Putting them ALL in grave danger - becase the command is to slay the 'unbelievers'

033.061 They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy.

037.151 Is it not that they say, from their own invention,

037.152 Allah has begotten children? but they are liars!

019.088 They say: Allah Most Gracious has begotten a son!

019.089 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

The Koran calls all of the eye witnesses - the apostles of Jesus [and the prophets] --- liars!

One accuser - who wasn't even there - calling all of the eye witnesses - liars.

Posted by: Beth at May 26, 2005 3:53 PM

Just drifted to this site from Google search ... interesting comments.

If you have not done so yet, you may want to read the EU constitution. The human rights provisions are extensive. I am certainly supportive of the ideals of the document but, if the development of these rights gets out of control, the impact could be destabilizing.

Many of the European countries (as unfortunately is America) are already struggling with a confused national identity (where have we come from, where are we going to). Imagine the ramifications of strong, centralized "federal-style" bodies exerting sovereign power over long-historied nations. The main focus of dissent at this point appears to be economic but, over time, it will become more cultural (e.g. the European Court deciding whether France's ban on headscarves, crosses, etc... in schools would hold up).

I agree with a previous post though that time will tell. The left-leaning Euroland will need to hold firm on integration issues (not doing well currently) to achieve success

Posted by: Sal at May 26, 2005 8:33 PM