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The incomparable Melanie Phillips writes in her blog, which is always essential reading, about "Dhimmi Britain" and what ought to be called Stockport Syndrome:
Political correctness is turning lethal. Stockport Council is now using resource packs provided by the Muslim Council of Britain to teach schoolchildren about Islam, an initiative which is to be extended across the nation. According to the Stockport Express, councillors think this will promote 'multi-racial [sic] harmony'. Councillor John Pantall, executive member for 'diversity strategy', said:'If we can get to pupils at an early age we hope they can grow up understanding other cultures and religions and without prejudice. There is a great deal of ignorance about major faiths, resulting in dangerous and destructive myths. The use of the new materials will help develop understanding and encourage community cohesion throughout Stockport. This is part of having a forward thinking education department and prevention of a problem rather than cure.'
Defeating prejudice and encouraging community cohesion, eh? Let us remind ourselves about some of the Muslim Council of Britain's contributions to education and cultural harmony.
*It offered condolences to the family of the leading Hamas mass murderer Abdul Aziz al Rantissi after he was killed by the Israelis, and described the founder and chief strategist of that genocidal outfit Sheikh Ahmed Yassin as 'the renowned Islamic scholar'.
*Its Secretary-General whips up anti-Israel hatred by branding it as a Nazi state and accusing it of 'murderous leadership', 'Zionist brutality' and the 'ethnic cleansing of Palestine'.
*It brands as an 'Islamophobe' anyone who even uses the term 'Islamic violence'.
*It issued a veiled threat to former Telegraph editor Charles Moore, who wrote a robust criticism of Islam, that he might suffer the same fate as Salman Rushdie who was subjected to a death-dealing fatwa over The Satanic Verses.
*It boycotted the ceremony commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz because it claimed it was not 'racially inclusive 'and did not commemorate the 'victims of the Palestinian conflict'.
*It was one of the organisers of a recent demonstration in London at which demonstators chanted: 'Kill, kill USA', 'Kill, kill George Bush', 'Bomb, bomb New York'and 'Your so-called democracy will fall under the sword of Allah. The day of judgment is coming.'
Yet these are the people who are, in the words of the 'diversity' councillor for Stockport, to be enlisted to help defeat prejudice and ignorance in our schools. What kind of country is this where elected councillors have become panders for the peddlers of hatred and murderous prejudice, and are enabling them to turn the minds of our children? Where are the public protests? Where are the letters to MPs, the stories and outraged editorials in our newspapers? Where is there the slightest indication that anyone grasps what is going on here?
Excellent question.
Posted by Robert at May 30, 2005 2:36 PM
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This really irks me. If my kid comes back from school with a pack on how to understand a third world cult I will be right down to the school kicking up a fuss. Where are all the misunderstood sikhs etc ? How come only islam is being misunderstood ?
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at May 30, 2005 3:32 PM
Howcome none of these tough talkers rioted right here in the U.S.?
What could've possibly held these fearless warriors of Islam back?
Because the "Sword of Allah" is nothing more than a plastic butterknife to us, that's why?
Posted by: DCWatson at May 30, 2005 4:25 PM
Yes, that's why alright.
Posted by: DCWatson at May 30, 2005 4:25 PM
The question is though, would we know that they are teaching this in class? In some of the NEA teacher handbooks there have been suggestions to keep unpopular subjects on the Q.T. They also have sections in the handbooks on how to deal with "right-wing Christian" parents.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 30, 2005 4:50 PM
'They also have sections in the handbooks on how to deal with "right-wing Christian" parents.'
Ok, that is just Insane. No wonder kj defends leftist teaching against the likes of Horowitz.
The ‘Other’ Threat:
http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz200505020944.asp
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17957
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17927
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17958
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/jg20050513.shtml
at May 30, 2005 5:02 PM
Here is an interesting link on the subject of our education industry.
http://www.tocquevillian.com/articles/0077.html
Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 30, 2005 5:03 PM
Somehow a few dozen handfulls of people have caputered the imagination of polcy makers around the world .
I have to think threats of violence were part of the bargin.This is getting nuasiating.Time to cut the head off the snake.
at May 30, 2005 5:03 PM
How is it "forward thinking" to promote the 7th century?
What next?
Multicultural indoctrination in the schools for those even more misunderstood 'religious' followers of pre-Columbian human sacrifice? Are we dissing the core customs of the native peoples of Meso-America?
A classroom doing a research project on when to throw a virgin down a sacrificial well or how to wear a 'removed' human skin 'outfit' would truly broaden the outlook of the little squirts.
Let's have 'multiculturalism' be REALLY inclusive!
(To the point where it collapses under the weight of its internal contradictions and fallacious ideals.)
Posted by: BigSleep at May 30, 2005 6:24 PM
From an article in the Daily Mail.
A brave warning
The language is stark, the message apocalyptic: unless Asians and black people integrate themselves properly into society, Britain faces the risk of race riots on the scale of Los Angeles in 1992.
Had such a warning been uttered by a mainstream white politician, he would already be a pariah, denounced from the rooftops as a scaremonger or worse.
But these words can't be dismissed so easily. They come from Trevor Phillips, the highly-respected black chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality and one of the few public figures who can address such issues frankly without provoking kneejerk accusations of racism.
With huge moral courage he points to the way local councils perpetuate the problem of 'corporate multiculturalism' by funding community groups that often promote the ghetto mentality.
.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/newscomment.html?in_article_id=350192&in_page_id=1787&in_a_source=
at May 30, 2005 6:36 PM
And if you don't want your children learning about Islam, then what then?
Posted by: Voltaire at May 30, 2005 7:05 PM
"...Britain faces the risk of race riots on the scale of Los Angeles in 1992."
The UK and western Europe faces much worse if they continue with the ridiculous accomodation to the demands of their minority Muslim communities.
at May 30, 2005 7:12 PM
Skeet Street:
I just noticed that Trevor Phillips and the Daily Mail editor, mentioned Asians ie Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Christians, and Muslims, in his warning on integration.
What one sees here, yet again, is the failure due to fear, to mention that it is the muslim community that plots terrorism, riots and is not integrated in Britain or anywhere in the West. But then again, after Van Gogh, who can blame Trevor Phillips or the editor of any newspaper for such a failure. It requires immense courage, such as that of Daniel Pipes, Charles Johnson and Robert Spencer, to come out openly.
As I've said several times over the last 3 years - muslim presence in the West is seriously undermining the freedoms that we have taken for granted. Even including 9/11, this is the most damaging aspect of the defensive war we are in.
Voltaire posted:And if you don't want your children learning about Islam, then what then?
You are opposing the spread of islam. That is, as you well know, a crime against islam and merits the death penalty.
Never fear though. We will win this war, as democracies are slow to start but inexorable when most people realise, that it is a fight to the finish for Freedom's survival. Islam's days are numbered.
at May 30, 2005 7:41 PM
DP111,
"We will win this war..."
I agree, but the horrors entailed for such a victory will be immense.
European and US politicians have to put aside their ambitions towards power and start understanding that their positions are jeopardized just as much as the constituents they claim to represent.
It seems the comfort of status-quo leaders is only disrupted by radical change. Riots, revolutions, nationalistic tendencies et al seem to be the only thing understood by these yahoos.
What else is new? History is replete with examples.
Europe especially, acts the dimwit when confronted by these instances of her past.
One wonders how the US will respond.
Posted by: Skeet Street at May 30, 2005 8:24 PM
Voltaire posted:
And if you don't want your children learning about Islam, then what then?
And DP111 responded:
You are opposing the spread of islam. That is, as you well know, a crime against islam and merits the death penalty.
It will not come to that in the UK. Tony Blair, the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the armies of Human Rights Organisations, the Arabised press, i.e., BBC, Reuters, The Guardian, and the European Court of Justice will see to it that -- under penalty of censure or law -- the British fall in line with the new "standards" of multiculturalism. No dissention will be permitted, unless of course, you want to pay to send your kids to private school.
at May 30, 2005 8:39 PM
Repeat after me: There shall be no proselytizing of any kind in public schools. If the government would only enforce this concept...
Posted by: epg at May 30, 2005 9:24 PM
Im not at all confident we will win .
each day the enemy becomes more confindent recruits more hipowered media sycophants and political toadies.
these last couple of years and still not a sigular crack in the amoure of ignorance even on fox.
They are still parading the same dhimmie toadstoals across the screen spewing out the noble religion of peace bullshit line they are like zombies or intellectual hostages with the wives and children being watched by CAIR powered mujahadeen while they file their sterial reports free of fact and offense.
at May 30, 2005 10:53 PM
It's an upside down world.
It's the muslim kids who should get a pack on British civility, and learn to be proper decent Englishmen and women.
British authorities do not see that they are packing off their kids to be brainwashed by these mullahs to become subservient to them.
These muslims have succeeded with flying colors at the university level, brainwashing a whole generation of British academics against Israel and America.
Now they are reaching down to the young ones, plastic minds more easily moulded, and at a younger age, deeper indoctrination, to be subservient self-hating dhimmis.
Are the British authorities so bent on making Britain an Islamic hellhole?
Bloody madness.
at May 30, 2005 11:22 PM
Re: Trevor Phillips
Some people get it. Some don't.
1). Everytime Bill Cosby criticizes unproductive and defeatist black parenting, he's criticized for it. He understands what the problem is.
2). I sent a polite email to Michigan congressman John Conyers concerning his Religious Intolerance Resolution. I'm not one of his constituents, and so was surprised that he responded back. Sadly, he believes that Muslims who preach religious superiority are perverting Islam. He doesn't understand what the problem is.
Some people get it. Some don't.
Posted by: PRCS at May 31, 2005 12:31 AM
Its this sort of thing that we have to take on, we have to make sure that parents gets information to challange this. I have been educating my children about Islam, so I have no fears about such propaganda.
There shall be no proselytizing of any kind in public schools. Its not on.
Posted by: Daffersd at May 31, 2005 3:26 AM
I have said it before, this is Islamic dawah of the most pernicious kind under the guise of 'improving race relations'. It is a typical ruse of the prosletysers, take advantage of the rhetoric of multi-culturalism and use it to advance your Islamic agenda, all the while keeping in mind that Islam is superior,all others inferior, make it sound like a happy-clappy 1960's San Fransisco love-fest religion, draw them in, lay the Submission onto them.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali should be taught in every school.
Someone remind me why Hinduism shouldnt be taught in schools to improve race relatons? Oh, I forgot, Hindus dont believe their religion should take priority over all otehrs, nor do they threaten violence if non Hindus dont bow down to them, nor do they seek to impose their religion on us. In other words, it is a tolerant religion that integrates well with our values and society and they dont feel a need to dominate.
This is idiocy of the highest kind. Trevor Phillips is using euphemisms. Black people and Indians are not a threat to British values, they are integrating well. It is Pakistani Muslims who are intolerant, bigoted, and dis-integrating.
Trevor Phillips can only be credited with bracery for speaking the truth when and if he tells it like it is: that it is not Afro-Caribean or Indians who are the ethnic minorities failing and who need to seriously examine themselves, it is the Muslims. When we have straight talking like that, we might get somewhere.
Posted by: Zico at May 31, 2005 6:42 AM
Zico,
Not to be argumentative, and not having the first hand knowledge of a resident, but I recall at least one JW or DW thread concerning some really vicious black youth gang problems in the U.K.
Is this not so?
Posted by: PRCS at May 31, 2005 7:20 AM
PRCS
Indications show that whilst there is a problem of criminality amongst some sections of young black men in Britain, steps are being taken by the black intellectuals to confront this and look at the reasons for it. At the same time, black female students at school perform better than their white counterparts. These are glitches that dont present a systematic ideology of opposition, and social indicators suggest that things are improving. Black people are integrating into British society.
The same cannot be said for Muslim-Pakistanis. Incarceration rates are skyrocketing, unemployment and academic success is well below the national average. It cannot be blamed on racism because Indians perform better than the national average.
Posted by: Zico at May 31, 2005 7:31 AM
PRCS:
As I recall, the JW/DW-relevant aspect of the story regarding black youth crime in Britain that was that they were claiming to be converts to Islam and hiding out in mosques to avoid arrest.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at May 31, 2005 8:41 AM
I think this is the story you are thinking of -
UK: The rise of the Muslim Boys
Graham Greene's Pinkie meets Omar Bakri.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004933.php
Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at May 31, 2005 3:26 PM
KAOSKTRL,C Martel
I believe that Trevor Phillips does understand, that it is the muslim population that is not only falling below everyone else, but that it is singularly not integrated within society.
The reasons are self evident. Muslims tend to live in closed communities, largely insulated from the wider society. They are told in the mosques that they are chosen ones, and so do not feel the need to compete with their peers. This leads to educational under-achievement and all that follows from that. In addition they do not go to the greatest institution in Britain ie the pub. We in Britain are susoicious of any who avoid the pub.
The Afro-Carribeans also tend to under-achieve in education but are not at all isolated from society at large. There is a higher incidence of crime in the Afro-Carribean population, but that in itself does not indicate a lack of integration.
The muslim population OTH is brainwashed into thinking that it will inherit Britain as a natural consequence of their being muslim. This is the real danger that muslims pose us, and neither Hindus etc, or the Afro-Carribean community poses such a threat.
None of the politicians want to touch this particular subject at the moment, though I'm sure they are well aware of it. Their thinking extends no further then to the next election, and as as as they are concerned, they would rather it be someone else's problem.
Mark Styen has this to say in todays DT
None of these plodding technocratic parties seems eager to talk about any of the faintly unrespectable subjects on the minds of voters - Muslim immigration, increasing crime, Turkey, EU labour mobility. So voters, naturally, are turning elsewhere, and in five years' time the entire Continent could end up with the same flight from the centre as we've seen in Ulster.
The last sentence is cautionary. The whole article is well worth reading.
The problem of islamic dawa in schools and universities has been going in the US for quite sometime now. So far, it has been largely absent in the UK but I'm shocked to see this start up here as well. Religious instruction in schools in the UK is part of the curricula. Some 60% is devoted to Christianity; the rest being taken up by other faiths.
Will we win despite the dhimmi politicians and press? Ofcourse. No doubt of it. We are engaging in this BS because we know that our culture is far superior to the lunacy of islam (Berlusconi said it loud and clear). We can afford, the leaders think, to be generous to this backward community caught in a time warp in the 8th century. But if muslims ever pose a real threat, they will be out of here. Actually just after 9/11, many muslims, particularly in the US, thought that their days in the US were numbered. They were running across to Canada to avoid deportation to dar al islam. But Bush's tepid response then and since, has given muslims much comfort, to the extent that they are emboldened to go on the offensive. I dont think this magnanimity will occur again if another challenge is thrown down.
at May 31, 2005 6:08 PM
*It was one of the organisers of a recent demonstration in London at which demonstators chanted: 'Kill, kill USA', 'Kill, kill George Bush', 'Bomb, bomb New York'and 'Your so-called democracy will fall under the sword of Allah. The day of judgment is coming.'
The MCB may have helped organise the demo, but they had nothing to do with the stupid slogans which were shouted by a group independent of the organisers. These people are believed to be remnants of the Muhajiroun, whose website names the organisers of the demonstration, including the Muslim Council and Stop Political Terror, respectively as hypocrites and close to becoming hypocrites. So their intention may have partly been to disrupt the demonstration or bring it into shame.
As for the Muslim boys, they are a criminal gang. The article which broke the story in the Evening Standard a few months back demonstrated that they are not Muslims at all.
Posted by: Yusuf Smith at May 31, 2005 6:13 PM
After reading 90% of the posts in this thread (I simply could not stomach to read the rest since they're so insane) it has become apparent that none of you has the slightest idea on how you'd change things! You grunt, you holler, but NOBODY offers anything other than "erradication."
Buried deep in your pseudo "knowledge" of the Koran and Islamic faith, you all fail to grasp that the specific type of Islam you have all grown to despise is one that is bred from a potent combo of politics and extremism with myths thrown in for good measure. This is the worst type of political powderkeg that must be dealt with from the top down. As I have stated numerous times, the US and other wealthy nations perpetuate this political issue by keeping corrupt, power-hungry leaders in power. These leaders empower the radical Imams who then teach their brand of Islam to a large following of pissed off, poor, uneducated people. What better way to control the masses then with archaic, brutal laws like beheading, amputation and other Dark Age style control tactics?
Posted by: KingTolerance at May 31, 2005 7:51 PM
KingTolerance, what exactly are you suggesting? Taking out all the extremist Islamic leaders in the Middle East? Arresting the radical imams here in the U.S.?
Change will come after the problem is front and center and people recognize it as such. To start with a shopping list of how to change things is futile, since the left would just scream "racist!" so loudly no one would pay attention to the list. Our government doesn't think there IS a problem and is bending over backward to accomodate the Islamists that are here. Which is why we have to talk about it, warn and educate people.
Parents need to file lawsuits, storm school board meetings, principals' offices and demand Islamic curriculum be stopped. If Christianity were being taught in this manner the MSM would be all over it and the ACLU would shut it down so fast your head would spin.
Instead of eradication, we need to stop their momentum by using every legal resource possible. Keep them in the courts, not in our schools.
Actually, the Muslims should be taking classes on how to assimilate into OUR culture.
Posted by: usamomma at May 31, 2005 11:44 PM
"After reading 90% of the posts in this thread (I simply could not stomach to read the rest since they're so insane) it has become apparent that none of you has the slightest idea on how you'd change things! You grunt, you holler, but NOBODY offers anything other than "erradication.""
...what, are you on crack?
"Eradication"? (One "r", not two, BTW.) Who in the hell 'grunted' about 'eradication'? The posters here have offered a rather wide selection of information and reflection that I've yet to find on any islamic board. Seriously, what are you and your nephew smoking over there?
You claim that the problem is "top-down" administration (as you have before) but fail to recognize (as you have before) that such corrupt governments exploit their followers by using hatred of other cultures (i.e. the US, Israel) as a general distraction from their own activities (as other governments have before; Nazi Germany strikes a note in this regard). I also don't see any cogent argument that the West is propping such people up, lest you think that billions in aid constitutes support of dictators, or could propose a superior method for assisting the development of such countries. After all, if the US were so terribly interested in control of such nations alone, wouldn't all such aid be in military-industrial rather than economic-industrial pathways? Check the stats.
(Frankly, even military aid represents generalized support, since dollars contributed by the US for the defense of Middle Eastern nations represents funds 'liberatable' (be such a word in existence) for social support on a domestic scale. Of course, this doesn't seem to be done. =) Odd, no? Ah well.)
To say nothing of states in which religious fervour is expressly ANTI-governmental: Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia. So which way is it? Is the US providing capital to keep the religion of the citizens of these nations repressed, or is their aid is being used to allow "these leaders [to] empower the radical Imams who then teach their brand of Islam to a large following of pissed off, poor, uneducated people."? Has to be one or the other. And why are the people pissed off? What is it that they hate so much anyway? And why? Frankly, it is abundantly obvious that these imams are exploiting EXISTING prejudices imposed by religious mandate, not creating new ones; a scene we've seen before (*cough cough* 20th century fascist states *cough cough*).
Imam: "The Jews are evil!"
Mosque-goers: "The WHO? The Jews? Who the hell are the Jews?"
I assume the above scenario doesn't sound too reasonable to such an advanced primate as yourself? Gee, pardon my humble dhimmi grunting, freak.
Really, 'you got to put away the crack before it puts you away'.
I will make du'a that you can stop this harmful habit. Then I will make pu'a, but I will wipe only with the left hand.
Imam Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at June 1, 2005 1:17 AM
"After reading 90% of the posts in this thread (I simply could not stomach to read the rest since they're so insane) it has become apparent that none of you has the slightest idea on how you'd change things! You grunt, you holler, but NOBODY offers anything other than "erradication.""
...what, are you on crack?
"Eradication"? (One "r", not two, BTW.) Who in the hell 'grunted' about 'eradication'? The posters here have offered a rather wide selection of information and reflection that I've yet to find on any islamic board. Seriously, what are you and your nephew smoking over there?
You claim that the problem is "top-down" administration (as you have before) but fail to recognize (as you have before) that such corrupt governments exploit their followers by using hatred of other cultures (i.e. the US, Israel) as a general distraction from their own activities (as other governments have before; Nazi Germany strikes a note in this regard). I also don't see any cogent argument that the West is propping such people up, lest you think that billions in aid constitutes support of dictators, or could propose a superior method for assisting the development of such countries. After all, if the US were so terribly interested in control of such nations alone, wouldn't all such aid be in military-industrial rather than economic-industrial pathways? Check the stats.
(Frankly, even military aid represents generalized support, since dollars contributed by the US for the defense of Middle Eastern nations represents funds 'liberatable' (be such a word in existence) for social support on a domestic scale. Of course, this doesn't seem to be done. =) Odd, no? Ah well.)
To say nothing of states in which religious fervour is expressly ANTI-governmental: Pakistan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia. So which way is it? Is the US providing capital to keep the religion of the citizens of these nations repressed, or is their aid is being used to allow "these leaders [to] empower the radical Imams who then teach their brand of Islam to a large following of pissed off, poor, uneducated people."? Has to be one or the other. And why are the people pissed off? What is it that they hate so much anyway? And why? Frankly, it is abundantly obvious that these imams are exploiting EXISTING prejudices imposed by religious mandate, not creating new ones; a scene we've seen before (*cough cough* 20th century fascist states *cough cough*).
Imam: "The Jews are evil!"
Mosque-goers: "The WHO? The Jews? Who the hell are the Jews?"
I assume the above scenario doesn't sound too reasonable to such an advanced primate as yourself? Gee, pardon my humble dhimmi grunting, freak.
Really, 'you got to put away the crack before it puts you away'.
I will make du'a that you can stop this harmful habit. Then I will make pu'a, but I will wipe only with the left hand.
Imam Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at June 1, 2005 1:17 AM
Double post day! Woo hoo!!
I will have a double punishment.
Imam Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at June 1, 2005 1:28 AM
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