This would be great if GW would adhere to this information.

Side note: the old cartoon "Johnny Quest" the sidekick was "Hadjii".

Posted by: alaskan1000 at June 7, 2005 1:53 PM

WHo in the admin Condi Rice?
If he spent half the effort sperating oil from the suadis as he does seperating Islam from terror Id be getting gas for a buck 05

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at June 7, 2005 2:09 PM

Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. It's more likely that the nickname comes from Johnny Quest than anything else.

Posted by: Troll at June 7, 2005 2:57 PM

Power to Define the Issue: Power to Demand Answers

One important kind of psychological and political power is the power to define the issue and the power to demand answers.

The jihadis are laughing their heads off at the United States. The maneuvered us into a position where we agreed with their premise that an ordinary book should be given extraordinary physical veneration, then having obtained this agreement, having defined and framed the issue, they have the right to demand answers of us.

Think of a courtroom. The judge defines the issues and the witness in the witness stand has to answer the questions put to him by the lawyers. Who has the power in that case. The Koran matter has made Muslims the judge, the idiot press are the lawyers and the United States finds itself in the witness stand having to account for its actions. Total BS from the get go.

We need to challenge the initial presumption of Islamic privilege. We need to state that although Muslims may regard a physical object as holy, it is still JUST A BOOK. We need to assert the obvious that alleged mistreatment of a book is not a big deal. Mistreatment of a human being matters, mistreatment of a book is a formality.

Secondly, when these charges arise, we must remind the world of the eternal Muslim double standard. Muslims need to be fully criticized for their lack of respect for other's religious traditions.

Make no mistake about it, the Koran incident hurt the United States because we sent high ranking generals scurrying around doing the bidding of Muslims "judges" at the urging of the press. Of course, they will never be satisfied, they will just continue on delighting in our bowing and scrapping to them.

Posted by: Athena at June 7, 2005 3:09 PM

I don't understand it, either. What's the worst that could happen if the US were to say to Muslims "what's all this hoopla about a book? Get over yourselves." They're going to riot some more? Let them riot! They're not rioting in the US, are they? Let the world see what kind of idiots we're dealing with here. Maybe, just maybe some Muslims are going to wake up when they see their brothers and sisters at each other's throats over a damn book. When has islam ever shown respect for someone else's religion? The Saudi's are shredding Bibles, for God's sake! All the while, prisoners in Guantanamo get their Qu'rans handed to them in towels! What kind of moron came up with that idea?! The West is no loner politically correct, it's suicidally insane.

Posted by: Leveller at June 7, 2005 3:24 PM

My guess is this word 'hadjis' has a double meaning.

First, it probably does refer to Johnny Quest's buddy Hadji and is a somewhat derrogatory reference to the nationality of the people there, but the second meaning with the pronounciation given in the article 'hah-geez' seems to be how Archie Bunker from All in the Family would pronounce something. Another terrorist blows himself apart and all they can do is sit back and say "Hah ...geez".

Posted by: illustr8rg8r at June 7, 2005 3:27 PM

Mr.Bush is taking a very curious stand. Having started a war, he has decided to set up a strange kind of prisoner camp that has no precedent in American or international law. He has thus taken the role of a hard man. He and his government have then done everything in their power to show that they were not hard men, but sensitive modern souls with their eyes to every possible injured feeling. The result, of course, has been to please nobody. By challenging precedent and sidestepping legal authorities, they have taken the position of people who insist on creating their own precedent and imposing their own sets of values - only to then proceed to kowtow in every possible way to the very systems of values they challenged. I do not call this very clever politics. Sometimes clever politicians, e.g. Bismarck or Theodore Roosevelt, resolve to use brutality; but they do not then proceed to undermine their own authority to use the very brutality they found necessary.

Posted by: Paolo at June 7, 2005 3:56 PM

Yes, Paolo, but these are rather different times from those during which Bismark and Theo Roseveldt held office, and Bush isn't the only politician caught between a rock and a hard place.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 7, 2005 4:05 PM

And George Bush would say "What's a dhimmi?" or "I am not a dummy."

That is how I feel about George and Condi. They have really not done any research and are clueless dhimmis.

Posted by: reset at June 7, 2005 4:51 PM

It is very difficult for Americans or other Westerners to understand, but understand they must: every single sign of appeasement, every apology, or every hint of apology, every favor, every grant, every bit of aid, every example of diplomatic pressure on Infidel allies to meet Muslim demands, is regarded not as a sign of decnecy, of something called "compromise," of willingness to listen, to split differences, to "dialogue," to -- whateveryouwant. No, as Bernard Lewis has noted publicly but mostly privately, every such act is taken as an example of Western weakness, to be exploited fully to the advantage of Islam.

That is why, even in the infinitesimal number of cases where someone in the Infidel camp has behaved badly, any mention of this must be as crisp, unemotional, and laconic as possible. And at every stage the floodlights must be aimed at the history of Islamic conquest, Islamic subjugation, Islamic political and economic and intellectual failure. Never let up. Demoralize the enemy. Do not accept, even for one minute, the slightest nonsense -- whether it be about the "great civilization" in which everyone got along so swimmingly, we are told, in al-Andaluz, or about the nobility of Saladin (really? there is at least one famous incident -- see Franco Gabrieli's anthology of the Crusades as seen in Arab sources -- in which he orded the cold-blooded execution of prisoners), or about the wonders of the court of Haroun al-Raschid. Talk about the Muslim slave trade in black slaves, by far the largest and cruelest part of the African slave trade; talk about the millions of Slavs kidnapped in the east, and the raids up and down the coasts of Western Europe, from which historians estimate at least a million Europeans were seized and enslaved by the Muslim raiders, who also looted and burned whole villages. Quote sura and ayat from the Qur'an, and from the Sira do not fail to mention Aisha, the Banu Qurayza, Asma bint Marwan, the unprovoked attack on the Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis. Do not fail to mention what the Muslim conquerors did to the Hindus in their own Hindustan, or what happened to the Zoroastrians of islamized Persia. There is so much to remind everyone of -- and almost nothing, really nothing, for which to apologize.

The only apologies that are necessaary are to the great ancestors who created slowly and carefully this thing we call, and do not tend to, or attend to, very well, Western civilization. Spinoza, Hume, Jefferson, Lincoln, Leonardo, Shakespeare, Mozart, and a thousand or ten thousand others -- make your own list. You may not be fond of your neighbors, or of the society in which we now swim. It is hard to want to make the world safe for the kind of stupid and craven faces that stare out of the Checkout Counter magazines, or those magnates-on-parade in Nantucket Town. Forget about them. Think back, way back. Visit a museum. Open an anthology of English, French, Italian, Russian, German verse. Visit a museum of science. Walk outside and look at women walking around freely, driving, shopping, talking. Think of all that. And then think of bleak, hopeless, murderous, primitive people who have nothing to offer, and who, were they to prevail, would install a regime that would give us, at best, what we see everywhee in the Muslim world. Is that what you want for your children, or if you are childless, for our common posterity? That?

Posted by: Hugh at June 7, 2005 5:17 PM

This question is directed at British posters on this site..
Isnt there any rule that a person viewing "offensive","racist" sites can be chucked out of County Council Library.
Today i was browsing thru JW on Surrey County Council Library when a Muslim complained to librarian that i was watching an offensive site. She asked me to stop JW and never view it on their computers...

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 7, 2005 6:07 PM

Corrections:
Is there any rule that a person

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 7, 2005 6:07 PM

Vikrant. I have never heard of anything so absurd. Is there a copy of the koran in the library, tell them that offends you, better yet, take it into the bog to read and see how they feel about that !!

Posted by: TooBad at June 7, 2005 6:10 PM

Hugh you refer to India as Hindustan.. but lemme tell you that Hindustan as term for India is no-no. Anybody using it is automatically classified as a communal hothead. Even India's national anthem is dictated by moslems. It should have have been "Vande Mataram" ("I bow before my country") but ofcourse Muslims objected since they bow b4 none but Allah... India's official name should have been Union of Hindustan but jealous Nehruvian secularists settled with Bharat.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 7, 2005 6:11 PM

You can be sure that Muslims in libraries across the country are perusing Islamist and Jihadic websites with impunity by dhimmi librarians terrified to deny them.

Posted by: Zico at June 7, 2005 6:34 PM

Here's a link to CAIR's latest attempt to have Muslims exempt from helping Security Departments
protect the Country from Muslim terrorists,CAIR is actually holding a press conference June 8th
to boast about this treasonist act to aid and abet Jihadists.
The recent Mayer Arar case revealed that he was approached by CSIS and the RCMP,CAIR told him he had the right to abstain from helping them and had the right to be with a lawyer if agreeing to answer questions,we now know that the reason he was detained in N.Y. was that he fled Canada with his wife and kids and tried to enter the USA at the New York airport.
He left his family in the Middle East where he fled to and said he vacationed in Tunisia
and was going back to Canada,Arar was a co-signer on a apartment lease of a now arrested terrorist.
CAIR has wilfully withheld the story of Arar
prior to fleeing Canada and his attempt to enter the USA without his wife and kids,he also failed to renounce his Syrian Citizenship and has been Syrian longer than Canadian but traveled on the Canadian Passport.

http://www.caircan.ca/itn_more.php?id=1675_0_2_0_C

CAIR also posted a complaint that Muslim students are being "Racially Profiled" on Campus by security guards enforcing the "prayer-free"
zone on University property,a Tv special showed
Muslim students washing their feet in the public sinks in the washrooms and praying to Allah
since they weren't given their own make-shift Mosque.
Now CAIR claims the Guards are liars because Islam forbids praying in a washroom,this after
I saw them do it on National TV as a protest
to the policy.

Posted by: ala-sux at June 7, 2005 6:49 PM

Believe me, since September 12, 2001 I've emailed GWB at

president@whitehouse.gov

with the continuous theme that is reflected here.

Burn out the nests of vipers, and if they are the "wrong" vipers", well tough sh*t for them. They would have struck on 9/11 if they could have, they cheered the slaughter on from their palaces and bunkers, from Tripoli to Tehran, so put the HURT on their sick sorry asses. Now. Hard! And keep the rain of fire coming down on their delusional heads until they get it through their neanderthal brows that we mean goddamned business.

I assume, at worst, it is amusing the email readers in the basement, if nothing else.

But, even though I see no sign of anything strong and steady since the "Mission Accomplished" banner on the carrier, I'll keep throwing thoughts at whoever screens the incoming zap epistles.

And hope maybe a catchy phrase of two trickles upward into the local thought processes.I'll add "apocalyptic terrorists" to the next note, and recommend Lt. Col. (ret.) Ralph Peters' work (see the JW link).

Send the Prez a note.

Posted by: BigSleep at June 7, 2005 7:01 PM

Vikrant_Camberleykar:

You should take care. This guy who complained to the librarian, could just as easily have stabbed you in the neck. Many muslims carry a knife, and would think nothing of "smiting" a kuffar if they felt that the koran was under criticism. Hell, why should I tell you this. As a person from India, you know all about what muslims do.

Posted by: DP111 at June 7, 2005 7:16 PM

Vikrant,

Koran is in the public library which calls all non-muslims kafirs!! It calls on Muslims to kill idol worshippers!! If that does not offend non-Muslims, why should reading Jihad Watch offend your librarian?

Posted by: buddha at June 7, 2005 8:42 PM

The idea the policy and strategy that we can win their hearts and minds is sheer folly.It's not working.They will always hate us.

Posted by: RED at June 7, 2005 10:35 PM

Not apologising to muslims for dissing their war manual sounds like a smart move. I would also recommend not holding hands with them.

Posted by: Doctor Phibes at June 8, 2005 12:04 AM

Hugh once again hits the nail on the head by pointing out what the Israelis have known since the 1950s ( and yet seem to now be forgetting)and the Americans in power are ignorant of.
Have Muslims ever apologised to the infidel for any of the multitude of outrages committed throughout History? No quite the opposite - they actually celebrate them!
Every outrage is a victory for Islam
But every outrage committed against Islam by infidels is against the teachings of Christianity, Judaism or the secular laws under which we live.
This is of course the west's Achilles heel but is also what makes us much better human beings than the Islamists.
if we do feel guilt for these "outrages" then we should shut up and not reveal it the islamist and their cohorts of treasonable western helpers.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at June 8, 2005 12:18 AM

The only apologies that are necessaary are to the great ancestors who created slowly and carefully this thing we call, and do not tend to, or attend to, very well, Western civilization. Spinoza, Hume, Jefferson, Lincoln, Leonardo, Shakespeare, Mozart, and a thousand or ten thousand others -- make your own list.

Posted by: Beagle at June 8, 2005 5:20 AM

Jack Wheeler is great, he's like a cross between a financial advisor and Indiana Jones

Posted by: leelion at June 8, 2005 5:51 AM

Well.. 2day i decided to do a bit of research on the books stocked in the library. I first headed to Religion and Philosohy. To my wonderment, they've dedicated a whol shelf to Islam! They stock no less than 20 Koranic translations... I was disappointed not to find a single translation of any of the 27 holy books in Hinduism! They also stocked "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" & "Templars Revaled" which i daresay many Christian would find offensive. I then consulted the computer for Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses", it turned up nothing. So i enquired wit the librarian (not yesterday's dhimmified old crustie). She said that they did have that book in their collection but some guy reported it lost, (i bet 50 quid, he's a muslim). She added that they are in a process of aquiring it... Dunno how much time they'd take seeing that WHSmith is just down the street. It is intresting that they do carry a Bengali version of Taslima Nasrin book (which one i dont have a clue) under foreign books. But thats practically useless seeing that only people who'd read the bokk'd be Bengalis and the only Bengalis in Camberley are Bangladeshis. I checked that book, it has been issued only once that too in 2003! We must fight dhimmification of our public libraries...

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 8, 2005 8:25 AM

Vikrant: one thing you must bear in mind in Britain is the officious, preening, self-important nature of a great deal of officialdom. That is probably what your Muslim was counting on; even if there is no rule against "racist" sites, he could always hope on a PC jack-in-office glad of an opportunity to assert her/his authority and moral correctness. There certainly is a prohibition against using public computers to access pornographic or hate-filled sites, but I doubt whether JW/DhW would be condemned unless you happened to meet one of these jacks-in-office.

Posted by: Paolo at June 8, 2005 8:29 AM

Here's a quote for all that I keep posted on my website: www.madzionist.com

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of Scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”
Omar Ahmad – co founder of the Council of American Islamic Relations

Posted by: Madzionist at June 8, 2005 8:32 AM

As for Holy Blood Holy Grail etc. - Christians do not find them offensive, they find them ridiculous. That is the difference between us and our Muslim friends. We demolish the pseudo-arguments of a Dan Brown and his pseudo-sources by good history and good argument (there is a whole new genre of essay-writing dedicating to disproving, demolishing and ridiculing THE DA VINCI CODE and allied nonsense - I may say that I made a small contribution myself); Muslims just kill the Salman Rushdies and Taslima Nasrins - or try to. You may regard us both as "semitic" religions, but you have to admit that this makes a certain amount of difference.

Posted by: Paolo at June 8, 2005 8:34 AM

Vikrant: I am sorry that incident happened to you. If I were you, I would report the incident to the director of the library and then politely ask for a list of "banned" websites. In the USA, librarians get quite upset if they perceive materials "banned," although, in reality, many censor books anyway. Nevertheless, I would asked for a list of banned sites from the library Internet and then take that list and the story of your library/Muslim encounter to a reporter or newspaper or magazine that might be interested in following up on your experience. I'll bet that, if there is an official list of banned websites, it doesn't include any radical Islamic websites. There always seems to be a double standard for Islam...Good luck.

Posted by: maryrose at June 8, 2005 11:43 AM

maryrose Thank you for ideas, but unfortnately most reporters and newspapers are too dhimmified to report such a story. Most Asians in Camberley are of Bangladeshi or Nepali origin.Moreover i'd draw fire from Muslims in here, for trying to "polarise" Asians along religious lines. Thats the only time that they try to remind us that we are the "same" and we should "unite" against "white racism" but don't find anything wrong with declaring that British Muslims should marry Hindu-Sikh girls in order to "revert" them. When Momeds cause riots such as the famous Bradford incident, it's always reported as Asians r trouble makers never have i seen media distinguishing btwn Indians and Pakistanis on UK's street i'm a Paki anyway no matter wat my religious affiliation is.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 8, 2005 2:03 PM

I've found it Well there is no such list of banned websites but i found out that porno sites and overtly hate sites are blocked. As for other sites they can be banned solely at librarians discretion.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 8, 2005 2:06 PM

Vikrant
I find access to JW/DW barred on the computers in Norfolk County Public Librarys when I am on holiday there regularly. I am not in a position to complain because I only have a visitors ticket. Because I have the internet at home I have no idea whether they are accessable in my own towns library. When I was doing GCE I practically lived in the public library. I rarely use it now as it is never open when I am not at work. I will try and see but not until next Monday.
I would agree with Mary Rose. You need to challenge them in writing, get in writing what is banned, keep challenging them as to their reasons why. Remember you pay council tax (or your parents do) and you are a local resident using local services. If your parents will also write so much the better, and someone from your temple and college. What is your MP like? Or ward councillors?

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 8, 2005 2:19 PM

Vikrant,

Some of the comments posted here are legitimately offensive to Muslims. Everyone who posts childish taunts and insults against Mohammed makes it more likely that they site will get banned, either by automated filtering or by manual blocking.

If you are sufficiently motivated, perhaps you could try to get some of Robert Spencer's books stocked in your library. I'm not sure how best to go about that, perhaps some others can help.

Posted by: Viking5 at June 8, 2005 4:08 PM

the simplest solution would'd b to post on JW thru my home computer, but since my mom thinks i'm too young (i'm 16) to develop my own political views, i've to use the public computers...

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 8, 2005 7:04 PM

Granny as for complain to my MP or Ward Counciller i think it's unlikely coz tis is a Lib Dem place

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 8, 2005 7:07 PM

Vikrant_C.-

It is not 'political' to educate yourself.

Or to 'learn self-defense'.

Tell Mum and Dad your learning aikido.

(Part if it is mental... this can be that.)

Posted by: BigSleep at June 8, 2005 10:44 PM

Vikrant:

I'm shocked that you're only sixteeen.

You post with a maturity and an understanding far beyond your years. You are a valuable addition to this forum, and a welcome voice in the fight against islamofascism.

Keep lobbying the parents. Try the "I'm trying to educate myself and keep up on current events for school" angle, that often appeals!

Posted by: CGW at June 9, 2005 10:02 AM