Breaking News:
Germany holds up arms sale to Israel
http://www.debka.com

Heck the Israelis don`t need those German arms that much do they? I would think the Germans need the bread with their economy being the shape it is in.

Posted by: hutchrun at June 16, 2005 6:33 AM

"The EU decision, which surprised the Americans"

-surprised the Americans?

nobody's surprised here.

Rebecca

Posted by: rb at June 16, 2005 6:52 AM

lol Israel buying arms thats a news to me...

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 16, 2005 7:36 AM

Alistair Crooke, formerly the advisor to Moratinos and Solana, is earning his money.

The strategy being promoted by the E.U. bureacracy: throw Israel to the wolves and see what happens then. After all, that's what the Arabs and other Muslims keep telliing them:

"We only have this little problem in Palestine and if we get our way there, then there won't be any problems. Why should there? And you won't have anything more to worry about, not about Saudi Arabia, or Libya, or Syria, or Yemen or Sudan or Iran or Pakistan or Algeria...and in addition, you won't have the slighest problems with the Muslim immigrants, or your new converts to Islam -- did we tell you that Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion? -- we didn't? -- well it is, it most certainly is -- anyway, you won't have any problems whatsoever. Not from outside, not from inside. Why should you? Islam is a religion. All religions want the same thing. We are the three abrahamic faiths. Muslims revere Moses and Jesus. Mary is mentioned more in the Koran than in the Bible. We all worship the same god, obviously.

And we are famously tolerant. Everyone says so. Even Blair. Even Bush. Even Condoleeza Rice. We are tolerant and peaceful and are getting under control those hotheads and few extremists whom you keep getting so hysterical about. We are tolerant and think of you as the protected people. We want to protect you. Surely you will allow us, in the end, to protect you. Just give us little tiny Palestine, which is what the Jews renamed Israel, don't forget, when they conquered the Arabs, the Canaanites and the Jebusites. Don't forget that, its very important. They occupied our lands more than 3000 years ago, and now they are doing it again. We can't stand for that. You would feel the same. History counts for something, doesn't it?"

Posted by: Hugh at June 16, 2005 8:37 AM

If Hugh didn't convince you, talk to your doctor about Jihadital for your Islamophobia.

Posted by: Beagle at June 16, 2005 9:15 AM

Are terrorists getting their way, --look at Abbu Sayaf in the Phillipines where they will be getting their own state in Western Mindanao, --look at how the terrorists influenced the vote in Spain after the blowing up trains, look at how Hezbollah is winning in lebanon,--look at how Hamas is winning in Palestine, and now the American people are begin to turn away from the war effort in Iraq because of the never ending insurgency of terrorists. And the other weapons Islamic terrorists use to gather strength, and influence is of course taqiyya,and kitman and a masterful inflection of victimology from Guantanamo, to the mishandling of the Quran.

Posted by: Mackie at June 16, 2005 9:38 AM

The fact remains, and this was proven in Algeria and MUCH MUCH more so in "palestine":

TERRORISTS COMMIT TERROR BECAUSE TERRORISM WORKS.

Posted by: kj at June 16, 2005 9:50 AM

as Rajaram wrote in his Jihad treatise... Brigadier Malik of Pakistan put in his seminal The Quranic Concept of War (sponsored by General Zia ul Haq, the Founding Father of Talibanism): “Once a condition of terror into the opponent’s heart is obtained, hardly anything is left to be achieved… Terror is not a means of imposing decision upon the enemy; it is the decision we wish to impose upon him.” Dhimmitude is nothing but negationist accommodation rooted in fear.

Terrorism is not a tactic, it is strategic. Meanwhile, the dhimmi govts. welcome Hamaz and Hebollah as legitimate political organizations. The West is very weak and foolish. Nothing new there.

Posted by: reset at June 16, 2005 11:05 AM

The sooner Palestine becomes a state, the sooner will Hamas and other jihadi factions become formally recognized organic components of the new nation-state by the international community. Any violence perpetrated by these factions after that date will necessarily be deemed by every member state in the UN as that committed by the Palestinian state itself as an unprovoked belligerent invasion which Israel will then be able to repulse with absolute impunity granted by the law of war under UN Charter Article 51.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at June 16, 2005 11:11 AM

If you take Hugh's post and mix it well with Makie's, you get the "big" picture.
Allah has to be smiling. Mohammad was a great teacher...lie to the infidels, and when they are comfortable, steal something or kill them.
The EU officials are easy...they have one foot into dhimmitude, and the other on a banana peal.
Hama's will give them the slightest nudge, and the EU will slip. Hamas just wants to pick their pocket, so, the EU will accomodate, just to stay on Hamas good side. Since we know that Hamas has no good side, the EU is either stupid, up to something, or both...

Posted by: duh_swami at June 16, 2005 11:12 AM

kj-

If the equation works FOR the terrorists, then it appears that it may be time to be a little more homeopathic in response to THEIR demands.

As Jimmy "Close the Gitmo Gulag!" Carter should have done when the Iranian "students" invaded sovereign U.S. territory and took 50 plus hostages prisoner for 444 days.

As Ronald "I'm coming to get you Grenada!" Reagan should have done after the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut killed 241 brave betrayed men.

As Bill "Is that a real thong?" Clinton should have done after his debacles in Africa (2 embassies bombed and Mogadishu thugs 'driving our troops out' after one skirmish).

Bush began to react strongly after the jolt of 9/11... but he doesn't seem to have the historical sense or testicular fortitude (along with able-enough speechwriters, in the Churchillian mode) to follow through and destroy the nests of vipers EVERYWHERE. And to hell with 'world opinion' and American 'legal' whimpering (anarchist-nihilist-neo-communist fifth columnists).

The world will follow, finally. And the lawyering class will carp no matter what happens.

Get the damn job done, or face stronger, smarter, better organized, better armed, refreshed and re-encouraged maniacs, from Manila to Fez, Tehran to Beslan.

My codicil to your theory, kj:

KILLING TERRORISTS WORKS EVEN BETTER.

Posted by: BigSleep at June 16, 2005 11:14 AM

BigSleep wrote...As Jimmy "Close the Gitmo Gulag!" Carter should have done when the Iranian "students" invaded sovereign U.S. territory and took 50 plus hostages prisoner for 444 days....

What Jimmy the dhimmi should have done is gone on TV and said "you have 3 days to release the Americans unharmed or Tehran will be flattened." But no Dhimmi Jimmy instead begged for their release, a weak, foolish dhimmi if ever there was one.

Posted by: reset at June 16, 2005 11:28 AM

Hulegu Khan:

I'd like to believe that you are right and that any further hostilities from the Palestinians, Hamas or otherwise, would provoke such a response, but remember that a very large block of the UN's member states -- Muslim and "non-aligned" are unlikely to support any actions against a legally constituted Palestinian state any more than they were prepared to take action against Saddam when he invaded Kuwait or against the government in Khartoum over Darfur.

UN = United Nothings

Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 16, 2005 11:37 AM

ok, so the muslim strategists are trying to instill terror on a worldwide scale. i have an antidote:
"the perfect love of god (in jesus christ), casts away all fear."

a big weapon of satan (islam) is our fear of death.

fear has to do with punishment (jesus took away all of our punishment due from god, except for unbelief in jesus), and the man who fears, cannot be perfected in love.
become a part of the body of christ today, and have an answer to terror, that being the perfect love of god.

Posted by: listen to realanswers.net at June 16, 2005 11:50 AM

Well Bush threw out the wording of UN resolution 242 and pushed the bargaining chip the Israelis had back to the 1949 Armistice lines.
He did this for one "who was and most probably still is with him' to favour one "who has been against him and most probably will continue so".

How were the Europeans to understand that given that nothing has been done by the Palestinians to follow Bush's Roadmap peace plan, nothing to help in the fight for democracy and peace in the region?

That Bush has no resolve to stick to his previous utterances seems to be the most visible characteristic.
The Eu will ignore him as well.
And so will the Iranians, N Koreans, the Syrians and the Iraqi "insurgents".

All that hot air on the Whitehouse front lawn for the benefit of Abbas has just made things worse for Iraqi "democracy".

All the hope generated by Rice's move to the State Dept., has evaporated into thin air.

Posted by: Cynic at June 16, 2005 12:25 PM

Khan wrote...as an unprovoked belligerent invasion which Israel will then be able to repulse with absolute impunity..

That is the plan. I think Israel, when attacked after the pullout and the gates are closed, should bomb away. I think killing 5 to 10 thousand Muslims may give the Palestinians a 'rethink'.

Posted by: reset at June 16, 2005 12:25 PM

reset-

I hoped my characterization of James Earl "Peanuts for Brains" Carter impled just what you suggested.

Giving the ayatollahs "3 days", though, sounds a little moderate for my taste.

But the consequences are apt.

I hope it is our same suba rosa promise to all Islamic countries, at present, should they let their extremists go WMD on us.

Posted by: BigSleep at June 16, 2005 1:38 PM

Yes,and my Liberal Government in Canada still allows Hamas to raise funds here and has yet to label Hamas as a terrorist based group.
The Foreign Affairs Minister is waiting for the outcome of the Elections to give an opinion,but Canadians aren't surprised since Jean Chretien
help free Daddy-Khadr from the Pakistani Military
hospital when Khadr claimed he had nothing to do the the shoot-out that wounded him.
But he did have something to do with the shoot-out that killed him and woulded his son that was
following in his footsteps.

News from Cambodia show a terrorist hostage
taking in a childrens school,a 2 yaer old Canadian was the only one killed duyrig a raid to disarm them.
Since the religion of the killers is being supressed I can assume they're Islamists,and Canada has said they will wait until the facts
of the timeline of events are disclosed to take steps.

That's Canadian for "We're outraged and if nothing is done we'll be forced to write a scolding letter and maybe even mail it when the time is right".

Posted by: ala-sux at June 16, 2005 3:56 PM

ala-sux:

the globe & mail web says the child was killed because he cried too much. A quoted Cambodian authority had the following to say about the murderers:

Deputy Military Police Commander Prak Chanthoeum said they were villagers from the southwestern province of Kandal, who had come to Siem Reap in search of work. They were asking for $1,000 US in ransom plus all sorts of powerful weaponry plus a getaway vehicle. They were taken into custody when they tried to make a break for the getaway vehicle, so I guess they had no "back-up".

An earlier report refered to the possibility that they were part of a "movement" in Cambodia called the CCF, but this actually smells like it's the work of some pretty unsophisticated lowlifes and not members of an Islamist movement who would probably have been more coordinated.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 16, 2005 4:30 PM

"News from Cambodia show a terrorist hostage
taking in a childrens school,a 2 yaer old Canadian was the only one killed duyrig a raid to disarm them.
Since the religion of the killers is being supressed I can assume they're Islamists,and Canada has said they will wait until the facts
of the timeline of events are disclosed to take steps."

The Islamists might make similar assumptions, except that they would draw the opposite conclusion: since the religion "is being suppressed", you can assume that they are not Muslim, since their religion would only be mentioned if they were. It's all part of the Crusader-Jew conspiracy to malign Islam.

A more sensible opinion might be to assume that their religion wasn't mentioned because it was irrelevant. These men were criminals who kidnapped children for money. The real reason that there is an Islamic in Islamic terrorist is that they claim to commit terrorism in the name of Islam. Terrorists who are Christian, like the IRA, don't say in their press releases that they are in a holy war against non-Christians, hence the term "Christian terrorist" doesn't apply.

Posted by: Viking5 at June 18, 2005 7:18 AM