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"Terms of Internment: How to win friends and influence enemy combatants," from Alan Bromley in Opinion Journal, with thanks to EPG:
Well, I think we should not close Gitmo but write a new set of rules of procedure for the treatment of terrorists, those who often either hide behind civilians when being shot at or kill innocent civilians to show how tough they are. The new rules, with the working title of, "Terms of Internment", should be:• We really, really respect all your beliefs and all your writings, even if you use them as your basis for killing us.
• We want you to retain your beliefs, and therefore we will continue to supply you with every written word that reinforces your instinct to kill.
• We will honor those words, at all times, as much as you do, lest we offend you.
• We will only serve you the best humus available, from Zabar's (serving airline food is a severe violation of these protocols), or have kosher catering from the nearest kabbalah center.
• We will cover our women, from head to toe, in your presence, lest you be unduly offended--or aroused.
• We will give each prisoner one innocent civilian to hide behind during interrogations.
• We will prepare each prisoner a list of 72 virgins (or give them 72 raisins, I forget which they want).
• We will never lie to you or try to deceive you in our quest for your information.
• We will neither wake you early, nor keep you up late, and will always wait until your prayer sessions are complete before questioning you.
• We will house you in no less than five-star accommodations, and if all the hotels are booked, will place you in the five homes owned by Sen. John Kerry and his wife.
Funny, sure, but how different is it from what the hysterical people who equate Gitmo with Nazi death camps really want?
Posted by Robert at June 21, 2005 5:03 AM
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at June 21, 2005 7:30 AM
...will place you in the five homes owned by Sen. John Kerry and his wife.
It always makes me laugh when someone is made fun of because they are wealthy... some circles call that "class warfare."
Didn't you get your RNC fax this week? You're SUPPOSED to start talking about Hilary. You know; she's a lesbian, she snubbed the Gold Star Mothers, she hates the military, etc? Get with the program.
Posted by: kj at June 21, 2005 9:13 AM
If there is evidence that links any person to terrorism then let's see it in court. Supporting any other system is un-American.
The Nazis rounded up suspected "trouble makers" based on thier religion and sent them to camps where they were kept in a state of legal and human limbo. Their rights denined, their religious dignity stripped, their side of the story ignored.
Why was Gitmo even selected? Could it be that it is the only place on Earth that the US military can operate in an almost complete vacuum, away from the prying eyes of media and John Q. Public? Democracy dies behind closed doors. The American system is slowly strangling in the same way.
Show me proof, allow the American system to work. If not, you have yourself a concentration camp. Period.
Posted by: KingTolerance at June 21, 2005 12:18 PM
KingTool:
For anyone who holds the pretenses you do of fairness and balance to equate Gitmo with Nazi Germany's concentration camps or Stalin's gulags shows what a contemptable fraud you are.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 21, 2005 12:35 PM
Thanks, WaterLilly! You missed the point, yet again, and still manage to draw the laughs from those who actually read this site for what it is: A clearninghouse of ignorance!
Look this one up: ad hominem
at June 21, 2005 1:11 PM
KingTolerance
I called Mr Spencer and ordered the KingTolerance special, your a great bargain, I get two helpings of nonsense for the price of one, but come to find out,
your on back order.
at June 21, 2005 1:59 PM
To: KingTolerance,
The Constitution of the United States of America was written to protect the citizens of the United States of America NOT someone with the stated goal of killing it's citizens. The jihadists declared war on us and as such they are detained enemy combatants to be held (hopefully) until the end of the war.
They are not US citizens and therefore the protection given to a US citizen under the Constitution do not apply to them.
Oh, and by the way, many respected organizations and government represenatives have inspected Gitmo.
RD
Posted by: habnab at June 21, 2005 2:36 PM
Show me proof, allow the American system to work. If not, you have yourself a concentration camp. Period.
Posted by: KingTolerance at June 21, 2005 12:18 PM
also:
The Nazis rounded up suspected "trouble makers" based on thier religion and sent them to camps where they were kept in a state of legal and human limbo. Their rights denined, their religious dignity stripped, their side of the story ignored.
KT:
Hitler rounded up unarmed civilians by the tens of thousands, based on ethnicity and nothing more and proceeded to either starve and work them to death, or gas them, immediately, if they were deemed useless as labourers, ultimately murdering millions of people. The five or six hundred Gitmo detainees were armed combatants and are certainly not being gased, starved or worked to death.
Laugh at me as much as you like, KT, but people like you and the dimwitted senator from Illinois are held in contempt by the vast majority who don't share your Ward Churchillian view of the world.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 21, 2005 4:09 PM
KT, for you to be complaining that anyone is making ad hominem attacks is the pot to be calling the provebrial kettle, as I have pointed out previously.
As for Gitmo, to call the camp there a concentration camp is, at best, hyperbole. Where is the rampant disease, ala the British camps in South Africa, or the ovens, per the German revision of the design? If they are gulags, where are the KGB agents, hammering spent shell casings into the knees of dissidents? Come to think of it, find me a dissident in the camp at Gitmo.
The fact of the matter is is that these men, who made war on civilians, did not wear uniforms identifying them as combatants and used civilian populations as cover, are not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Conventions. As a matter of fact, they are liable for court martials as unlawful combatants. To wit, they could be lawfully be tried in the field, found to be guerrillas -- not hard, given their tactics and behavior -- and shot, the rules of the Geneva Convention adhered to all their multitudinous paragraphs and legalistic glory.
The U.S. Constitution, to quote Jackson, is not a suicide pact.
Posted by: Cthulhu at June 21, 2005 4:12 PM
King...post your address and I will send you that book. These people are battering you man, you you need all the help you can get.
How many muslims did Hitler kill? A lot? A few?
How many Jews did Hitler kill? A lot? A few? How many prisoners were killed at Gitmo, a lot? A few?
I dont know, I'm just asking.
Whats hard to equate is, how anyone can equate Hitler or Stalins, sinister and murderous behavior, to Gitmo or other US military run prisons.
The problem is with the ignorance of yourself and others over the nature of confinement.
If you have never been confined or have not worked in the areas of confinement, you are not in position to be critical of those who are.
SHT happens and it happens a lot in confinement.
This is why guards and prisoners alike become hardened. Because of human nature, disipline can be overdone, even to the point where the disipliner is getting off on it. I have seen this evil at work in mental institutions where every kind of abuse occurs, including murder.
It boils down to this, some people are not mentally equipped to have the power of confinement over others. You have seen this in numerous prison movies...it is also real life.
The powers should be very careful who they are putting in charge of prisoners...exceptional people need to be selected for these jobs. I think what we are seeing is a failure to do that.
Hopefully they are learning from their mistakes...
at June 21, 2005 5:48 PM
kj~ according to those backing Kerry et al, being rich is class warfare.
king tolerance~ we'd like your take on Castro's prisons. How do they compare with Gitmo?
Posted by: Gary at June 21, 2005 6:55 PM
"If there is evidence that links any person to terrorism then let's see it in court. Supporting any other system is un-American."
I don't agree that the prisoners have the right to civilian courts, since they are in Gitmo for fighting a war against the US. I believe that an article 5 (Geneva Convention III) tribunal is in order, as suggested by Colin Powell. The USA has made some efforts on this front, though it's arguable whether their system constitutes a "competent tribunal", since the executive decision has clearly been made not to grant anyone there POW status.
'The Nazis rounded up suspected "trouble makers" based on thier religion and sent them to camps where they were kept in a state of legal and human limbo. Their rights denined, their religious dignity stripped, their side of the story ignored.'
I don't believe that anyone in Gitmo is there because they are Muslim, or because of their opinions.
"Why was Gitmo even selected? Could it be that it is the only place on Earth that the US military can operate in an almost complete vacuum, away from the prying eyes of media and John Q. Public? Democracy dies behind closed doors. The American system is slowly strangling in the same way."
You sound like the Gitmo camp is expanding, when in fact it is contracting, since many prisoners have been released.
"Show me proof, allow the American system to work. If not, you have yourself a concentration camp. Period."
Umm, no. These people were not turned out of their homes and sent to Gitmo because they looked suspicious. They got picked up on the battlefield, and battlefield rules apply. Which includes a prohibition on torture.
Posted by: Viking5 at June 21, 2005 7:07 PM
KT wants non-American combatant to have an American trial. Better to ask for a pure Islamic ruling, like his prophet's verdict;
" Dismember them, hammer their eyes with nails, and let them bleed till death".
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=0&Rec=10135
This is from Sahih, in case you don't know, KT.
Posted by: enoughisenough at June 21, 2005 8:04 PM
During WW II, and all other wars, in accordance with the accepted rules of combat, "spies, terrorists and saboteurs" who were caught out of uniform and fighting as "irregulars", "enemy combatants" or "partisans", were recipients of field justice.
If they would give up their cause and provide information to their captors, they could win leniency, and their life.
If not, they were:
Tried fast, lined up quick and shot dead.
No detainees, no Gitmo, no problem.
And no pussyfooting.
Not with people blowing up civilians daily, cutting off heads on the internet, issuing fatwas for global conquest, flying jetliners into buildings, murdering a school full of children and their parents, strapping explosives to themselves and walking into restaurants, ad nauseam.
Gitmo is just what happens when you try to pretend your fighting rational beings.
As they have said: "You love life, we love death."
Let 'em feel the love.
Posted by: BigSleep at June 22, 2005 12:31 AM
We need many more Gitmo's, not less!
Beats mee why we are feeding those f*#@rs...
Even more mindboggling that we supply them with their terrorist manual called 'Koran..' Mikey Mouse would be more educational and less hateful!
KT's hysterics about 'Konzentration-camps' just shows that at least something is done right by this administration.
Send me a postcard KT!
Posted by: Terminator at June 22, 2005 3:15 PM
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