Does anybdy believe she's gonna get justice?

Bush'd buddy Mush when asked about her Passport restriction, instead of speaking about the incident was unfortunate, he reminds he world of so-called "rapes happening every day" in Kashmir! Lol Kashmir is rooted in psyche of Pakis! BTW Where the fuck is that Muslims whore (read Amnesty). Amnesty brays about "women-raped-by-troops-in-Kashmir" whilst most accusations have been found to be false and often ridiculous. Open alleged rape victim turned out to be a virgin after medical examination!

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 27, 2005 6:36 PM

Vikrant_C.-

Sounds like Musharref has learned the standard
Muslim trick of 'don't answer a hard question, just deflect it with an irrelevant outrage to confuse the issue'.

A formula that all online apologists for Islam have honed to razor sharpness with the whetstone of their intellectual dullness.

Like trying to wrestle a dialectical greased pig.

All they do is squeal and wriggle away.

Posted by: BigSleep at June 27, 2005 7:21 PM

Hussein Haqqani (now at B.U. as that appetizing thing, an Associate Professor of International Relations -- one doubts that B.U.'s faculty understands the higher taqiyya, the more advanced, because so politely and softspokenly delivered, and with so much quasi-truth that seems blunt-spoken mixed in with the pathological need, in the end, to protect Islam, to not see mainstream Islam, its texts, its mental attitudes and habits of mind, as the problem that underlies the economic disarray (inshallah-fatalism), the despotism (but legitimacy comes from Allah, not from the people, and the despot -- like Muhammad himself, who did not run things like a New England Town Meeting --- is to be obeyed as long as he is a Muslim.) As for the social backwardness, the status of women within Islam is clear from the texts and from the treatment that we can see in Muslim states, and the more firmly Muslim the state, the more believers really believe, the more difficult or painful the situation for women. And finally the intellectual stultification that comes with Islam, where memorization often constitutes education, where free and skeptical inquiry are discouraged or even punished. Islam stunts mental growth. Some Muslims in the West -- possibly Haqqani himself -- dimly perceive this, but say nothing. They may silently hope that somehow their own children will, though raised as Muslims, magically be able to not have their mental habits influenced by Islam. It is curious -- this twisted and confused attitude, of both knowing what it is all about, and despising much of it, and yet not wanting to admit it to Infidels, out of embarrassment, or filial piety. Intelligent Muslims in the West, who have had the leisure to think, must -- some of them at least -- be in a quandary. Do I tell the full truth about Islam? Do I admit it to myself? Do I allow myself to investigate, on my own, using Western scholarship, the truth about Muslim conquest and mistreatment of non-Muslims, or shall I stay well away from the subject, for fear of what I might find, and have to reject, have to deny?

Fiendish thoughts and doubts and worries. Mental and emotional desarroi, all way round. For a few, just a few -- the ones who really think, and might even think themselves right out of Islam.

Posted by: Hugh at June 27, 2005 8:14 PM

Hugh,

"Intelligent Muslims in the West, who have had the leisure to think, must -- some of them at least -- be in a quandary. Do I tell the full truth about Islam? Do I admit it to myself? Do I allow myself to investigate, on my own, using Western scholarship, the truth about Muslim conquest and mistreatment of non-Muslims..."

I don't think they're in much of a quandary, when there are eminent Western scholars (as well as less eminent but socially prominant pop scholars) surrounding them like Charles Butterworth writing about how wonderful and advanced Islamic history and culture was (with the implication that it has stagnated in recent history because of Western Imperialism and post-Imperialistic support of tyrants for ethically dubious geopolitical reasons).

Posted by: metaxy at June 27, 2005 9:11 PM

One of the biggest lies going is that Islam respects women.

I've been arguing on a lefty blog about Islam for some time. Lefties, being largely atheists, think all religions are equally silly, without realising that there's silly and there's dangerous.

One of my opponents accused me of being patronising when I said that the hijab was oppressive. Though schooled in the PC language of feminism, she failed to recognise that this is not just a headscarf; women who choose to wear it - many have no choice at all - have bought into the idea that women are property, and also that women who don't wear it are fair game. They have also bought into the idea that men are not responsible for rape or actions leading up to this.

Many hijabettes, to use GW's delightful term, co-opt the language of feminism by saying that the hijab is about choice. Apparently in Tehran there is going to be a 'national take your headscarf off' day of protest. If the hijabettes genuinely see choice as the issue, then they will be taking their headscarf off as a gesture of solidarity with their Iranian sisters. But of course this will not happen. Free speech, to a Muslim, is freedom to preach Islam. Choice, to a Muslim, is freedom to choose Islam.

Posted by: Interested at June 28, 2005 5:39 AM

One of the biggest lies going is that Islam respects women.

I've been arguing on a lefty blog about Islam for some time. Lefties, being largely atheists, think all religions are equally silly, without realising that there's silly and there's dangerous.

One of my opponents accused me of being patronising when I said that the hijab was oppressive. Though schooled in the PC language of feminism, she failed to recognise that this is not just a headscarf; women who choose to wear it - many have no choice at all - have bought into the idea that women are property, and also that women who don't wear it are fair game. They have also bought into the idea that men are not responsible for rape or actions leading up to this.

Many hijabettes, to use GW's delightful term, co-opt the language of feminism by saying that the hijab is about choice. Apparently in Tehran there is going to be a 'national take your headscarf off' day of protest. If the hijabettes genuinely see choice as the issue, then they will be taking their headscarf off as a gesture of solidarity with their Iranian sisters. But of course this will not happen. Free speech, to a Muslim, is freedom to preach Islam. Choice, to a Muslim, is freedom to choose Islam.

Posted by: Interested at June 28, 2005 5:40 AM

interested: dead on

an arab farmer or herder, seeing one of his livestock threatened would certainly attack, drive off, or kill the threat to protect his possession. but not his woman?

remember "animal farm"?

"all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

Posted by: t-ham at June 28, 2005 8:02 AM

"They [leftist, feminist bloggers] have also bought into the idea that men are not responsible for rape or actions leading up to this."

Posted by: Interested at June 28, 2005 05:40 AM

As a 53 year old woman who remembers the fight to recognize rape as a criminal act that arises from power/control issues and not passion, this is a very sorry, sad turn of events.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 28, 2005 9:51 AM

Apparently in Tehran there is going to be a 'national take your headscarf off' day of protest

Interested, do you know any more about this? All I can find on a Google search is protests about the French ban. I must be using the wrong terms.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 28, 2005 5:42 PM