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DC Watson on reality and dhimmi wishful thinking:
The warnings came for decades. The threats of Islamic terrorism in the West, once thought to be empty, have become all too real for everyone living in the civilized world.While it is absolutely appropriate for Westerners to practice tolerance of immigrants, Islamic migrants, not all but many, bring with them a duty to participate in Muhammad’s fantasy of an Islamic planet earth. There is no sense in wasting time trying to “change the mindset” of this culture. They are a driven people. Driven by a backward, racist, sexist ideology, directed by the Qur’an -- with terror networks, Muslim advocacy organizations, imams, and clerics serving as reminders to Muslims who may happen to enjoy freedom that their central duty is to Allah, and Allah only.
Islamophobia, paranoia, and intolerance have nothing to do with it. The facts speak plainly for themselves. Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, the Philippines, Sudan, or Nigeria have nothing to do with it either. These are merely feeble excuses, cloaked in an “American foreign policy” shroud. Excuses they use to further Muhammad’s plan. Not all Muslims appear to be so hell bent on this, but since they sit silently on the sidelines, deciphering the difference between them shouldn’t be our responsibility.
While it’s nice to be nice, why would anyone want to demonstrate kindness to those who would just as soon cut our throats to obtain what the Qur’an commands them to obtain?
While tolerance is a good thing, tolerance of the intolerant is suicidal. There comes a time when we must recognize a threat which, if not eliminated, could end our existence as we know it. That time would be right about now.
Let no soft spoken Muslim representative fool you into believing that Islamic law, known as the Shari’ah, is in any way compatible with democracy. It is not. Let no smiling Muslim representative fool you into believing that Islam is a religion based on tolerance. It is not. Muslim groups, especially ones under scrutiny for their questionable ties and methods, not only have no business operating here, but also have no business speaking to unassuming American school students about Islam.
American public school systems and their administrators have a difficult job to do, and they should be commended for their work. However, they should know that with regard to Islam, on many occasions, their guest speakers have been among those who wish to implement Islamic law in the United States.
While we argue amongst ourselves in Western society, those who follow the fundamentals of Islam wait to pounce. We cannot allow our political differences to destroy what so many have sacrificed for. Elected officials in the West are counting only votes. Some are so self-absorbed that they appear to be willing to sacrifice the safety of America and her allies to avoid being falsely labeled as bigots. They're putting everyone in jeopardy. While we’re spending countless billions in Iraq, we’re also spending billions here at home.
Due to Islam, not Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, or little old ladies in wheelchairs, but only Islam, the West is on alert and has been for a substantial amount of time. Ridiculously long waits at airports, bus stations, and train stations, stepped-up security at sporting and entertainment events, additional police patrols, you name it. This doesn’t come cheap, and we’re footing the bill. A bill with a sum reaching into several billion dollars per annum.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13384051,00.html
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http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/007047.php
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/chi-050707cta,1,2130500.story?ctrack=1&cset=true
http://www2.kyw1060.com/news_story_detail.cfm?newsitemid=47644It’s quite a shame because the billions of dollars spent babysitting this particular community would be much better spent on programs that would benefit American families.
This is not a Republican or Democrat issue. Frankly, I voted for representatives of both parties at various levels of government in the last election, and I carry no water for either side of the aisle. This is an American issue. Left or right is irrelevant. Islamic law would obliterate the freedoms that all of us are offered and enjoy.
Due to Muslim immigration policies, and the fact that these billions of dollars are now being spent monitoring them, we’ve become the world’s largest day care center. We can’t even get straight answers out of the organizations who claim to represent Muslims in the West. Although they’ve made clear their intentions of converting America to Islam, our government allows them to train our own law enforcement on “Muslim sensitivity.” Our media takes statements from them whenever a damaged Qur’an is found on the ground, or when a Muslim is arrested on terror charges. “Reality shows” utilize them as when they produce shows about Islam.
Meanwhile, nearly four years after 9/11, Islamic fanatics are still here and all over the world:
So the question for all of us, and for our governments, is this: what is it that Islam brings to the West that makes all of these expenditures and security risks worth it?
Posted by Robert at July 12, 2005 4:13 PM
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"This is an American issue. Left or right is irrelevant. Islamic law would obliterate the freedoms that all of us are offered and enjoy."
Good point. George Bush was barely re-elected, so we cannot win if we come across as a bunch of circle-jerking right wing pricks (even though this is mostly untrue).
I was very fortunate to hear Robert on the Michael Medved show a few days ago. Michael Medved told Robert that he got Ibrahim Hooper to admit on the air that he would like to see Sharia law in the U.S.
This admission could be a bombshell if it is used correctly.
Imagine Michael playing this loop for Al Franken. Could this compell Franken to denounce CAIR in public? Even if Franken tries to back out of saying anything against CAIR while being confronted with this evidence, he still has made a choice (like they say in that song by RUSH: "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice"). Either CAIR or Franken will be discredited. He can't have it both ways.
I don't like Al Franken at all, but I think his love of America (however misguided) is sincere. Let him prove it to everyone. I say ambush him with the sound loop and watch the fireworks. If Al Franken denounces CAIR on the air, this could be the start of something wonderful...
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at July 12, 2005 5:47 PM
After what happened in London we need a focus, a positive agenda, a concrete plan. Robert, since you have been a noted (constructive) critic of the Bush administration's foreign policy and are not intellectually wedded to his "Iraq, light onto the Muslim nations" project (and more importantly, its corollary, which is that there's nothing with Muslims that a little exposure to democracy won't fix), I think you have the standing and credibility to advance it.
The agenda we need is:
1. a moratorium on immigration from populations with signficant Islamic terrorist activity
2. immediate de-naturilization (if necessary) and deportation of anyone found in collusion with jihadist groups
No need to sound racist; no need to argue about whether the jihadists have hijacked Islam or are its atavistic and pure representation. The fact is that wherever they come from, and from whichever ideological worm-holes they crawl out of, they are a menace to us right now and since there is no way to screen for them a blanket exclusion is necessary (sorry).
If you keep hammering this agenda at all your public appearances, whether on campus, radio, or TV, that without these changes American citizens will die needlessly, I think you will start an avalanche as others too cowardly to speak now will begin all talking in one voice and force our politicians to listen. I humbly beseech you to start the landslide.
Posted by: emperor_diocletian at July 12, 2005 6:02 PM
"There is no sense in wasting time trying to “get into the mind” of this culture. They are a driven people. Driven by a backward, racist, sexist ideology, directed by the Qur’an -- "
Whilst I agree with much of the theme of the article, I find the above sentiments perplexing. Surely it's absolutely vital to "get into the mind of this cluture" in order to defeat it?
For the US the urgency may not be there as yet in Europe it's a totally different kettle of fish. Muslim populations are expanding fast, how do we tackle this? Islam is dogmatically unreformable, it must be as Ali Sina states (I know that the proprietors of this site don't like this term, but as they themselves state - "we are under no obligation to tolerate this") 'erradicated'.
An example: UK journalist brings home 8yr old Afghan girl and adopts. Lives in UK for 6yrs (without any Islamic influence) - she still struggles to put on bathing costume in public. Imagine the difficluties with muslims brought up in Europe 'intergrating' with the west! Islam is a mindset (some experts state that there is a psychological change), the 'religious' or cultists do not think like us, it is fair to say that they have a mindset and there is an islamic 'frame of mind'.
We must build into our education systems, media, etc. something that will corrode the hold that islam has on its people. Unless the muslims living within our lands cross the intellectual, as opposed to (what the PCists call) the 'cultural' divide, there will be no progress and other far more stronger measures will be needed in the future.
JV
Posted by: jv at July 12, 2005 6:03 PM
It's not just an American issue, it's a European issue too. It's an issue everywhere Islam rears its ugly head. We have the exact same leftist collaborators and dimbulb politicians in Europe. There are a lot of differences between the US and the EU but those of us that know what's at stake should work together. We don't have a choice. If Europe fails the US will follow. If the US stumbles all is lost.
We need to defend ourselves by all means necessary.
Posted by: Leveller at July 12, 2005 6:09 PM
You make several good points here DC and the answer to your question is that Muslims bring NOTHING to the US that can't be "appropiated" from other, more deserving societies. It's certainly not for their cheap labour, nor their scientific or technical knowledge, nor for any other value that would contribute to the prosperity of this country. Most are being let into this country on humanitarian grounds. And in exchange for this compassion of helping out our fellow human beings, they bring with them their Islamic mental baggage that has for centuries been drilled into them and their society.
As an accountant I can tell you this is one of the most lopsided deals in history as the cost/benefit ratio would be near 100:0 or something just as unbalanced. The answer to this very expensive problem is to stop Muslim immigration immediately, deport overstayers, iniatiate laws that would close a mosque down if it's iman or a group of worshippers are convicted of anything remotely related to terrorism. These actions would seve notice to the rest of the muslim immigrant community that they are guests in our land and had better behave accourding to OUR rules, not theirs.
at July 12, 2005 6:21 PM
DC Watson:
That's one of the best comments on this issue that I have seen. Thanks.
Posted by: johnb at July 12, 2005 6:35 PM
I've pointed out before that when you add the costs of terror attacks such as 9/11, the attempts to fix their broken religion and culture in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the stepped up security Muslims have crammed down our throats by their deplorable antisocial behavior, Islam has cost us over $1.5 TRILLION in expenditures in the last 4 years, at a minimum.
This is especially ominous when seen in light of the amount 'their side' has spent to force our hand into spending this cash for inadequate 'security...' Why should we continue to foot this bill in blood and treasure to host them in our midst? I'd estimate the Saudis, Paks, UAEs, Iranians, etc have spent less than $5 BILLION promulgating Islam and Islamic terrorism in order to leverage our inadequate $1.5 TRILLION expense to counter (very ineffectively) their efforts. It is over 500 times more expensive for us to fight them badly, and 500 times cheaper for them to fight us effectively... The math is extremely bad in terms of money.
It is also bad in terms of manpower -- an extremely small faction from among their terror harboring population can utterly disrupt and degrade our security and our economy. If the use of WMD begins, and this is ALL BUT INEVITABLE, then an investment of perhaps $10 billion by Muslim promulgators could utterly destroy the economic basis of our existence and erase $40 or $50 TRILLION in US wealth INSTANTLY. We must begin to place pressure on the Muslim community to justify why we should pay these premiums for the privilege of watching them invent new ways to murder us and lie about their intentions.... Immediatlely, we must being to see wholesale incarceration and deportation begin in earnest for anyone who can't place the laws of this land, and the Constitution above their fealty to their fascist religion. If they can't do this, then they have immigrated here under false pretenses, and clearly DON'T BELONG HERE!
Posted by: jsla at July 12, 2005 6:45 PM
DC Watson states,
"...but also have no business speaking to unassuming American school students about Islam."
It is not only Muslims who push this agenda, but also those multiculturalists who still have their heads in the sand. I have written about this and would like to share my thoughts. Read below:
I recently purchased a Dana Wireless (http://www2.alphasmart.com/products/dana-w.html) "laptop" alternative. The company who manufactures this device, AlphaSmart (http://www2.alphasmart.com/) says in its mission statement the following:
"Our mission is to develop and market affordable, portable personal learning solutions for the classroom." and continues with this claim, "Over the last decade, AlphaSmart has sold more than 1.2 million computer companions to customers around the world. These portable devices can be found in approximately one-half of the fifteen thousand U.S. school districts..."
Innocuous enough? Sure, until I started experimenting with the DanaWeb browser software which came bundled with the device. Of interest is an educational search engine provided by AOL called, AOL School Middle School (http://www.aolatschool.com/middleschool/search/search.adp?query=islam&start=&x=25&y=8).
A search on the word, "Islam", will yield a list of websites with a typical "multicultural" sensitivity bent. I was astounded though when I searched the term, "jihad." The search results came back with a related list. One website from USC is entitled, "Glossary of Islamic Terms and Concepts." (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/glossary.html) Looking up the term, "Allah," will give the student this definition: "The *true* name for the creator of the Universe is Allah" (asterisk emphasis mine). A seach on the word, "Islam," yields this: "Islam *is the last and final religion to all mankind*..." (again, asterisk emphasis mine). And finally, a lookup of the word, "jihad," provides the curious with this lengthy definition:
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"It is an Arabic word the root of which is Jahada, which means to strive for a better way of life. The nouns are Juhd, Mujahid, Jihad, and Ijtihad. The other meanings are: endeavor, strain, exertion, effort, diligence, fighting to defend one's life, land, and religion.
Jihad should not be confused with Holy War; the latter does not exist in Islam nor will Islam allow its followers to be involved in a Holy War. The latter refers to the Holy War of the Crusaders.
Jihad is not a war to force the faith on others, as many people think of it. It should never be interpreted as a way of compulsion of the belief on others, since there is an explicit verse in the Qur'an that says:"There is no compulsion in religion" Al-Qur'an: Al-Baqarah (2:256).
Jihad is not a defensive war only, but a war against any unjust regime. If such a regime exists, a war is to be waged against the leaders, but not against the people of that country. People should be freed from the unjust regimes and influences so that they can freely choose to believe in Allah.
Not only in peace but also in war Islam prohibits terrorism, kidnapping, and hijacking, when carried against civilians. Whoever commits such violations is considered a murderer in Islam, and is to be punished by the Islamic state. during wars, Islam prohibits Muslim soldiers from harming civilians, women, children, elderly, and the religious men like priests and rabies. It also prohibits cutting down trees and destroying civilian constructions."
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I am not accusing AlphaSmart or AOL of any collusion, but I find the "search results" provided by AOL to be websites which whitewash the historicity of Islam. What is alarming is our children are being educated in this revisionism at such an impressionable age.
Once again Mr. Watson, a no miss article.
I look forward to reading many more. Thank you.
Posted by: Skeet Street at July 12, 2005 7:08 PM
Muslims cost too much and are worthless bringing nothing to Western societies other then increase security costs, increased demands, terrorism and death.The problems occur again and again wherever there are large numbers of muslims, in places as different as Russia, US, Spain, UK and India.The misery and death will continue unless something is done about islam now. If natural born American citizens want to convert to islam that is their choice. However, we need not import more muslims into the west. Muslim immigration should be greatly reduced if not ended all together. And an aggressive posture should be taken toward the muslim community in the US. Back in the 1960s when the Justice dept went after the Mafia they vowed to arrest Mafia members for "spitting on the sidewalk". The same posture can be taken with Muslims using immigration laws.A recent article said the US had kicked out 500 muslims using immigration laws and still more can be done. We can also roll up the welcome mat by not doing business with muslims.I can't think of anything that a muslim is selling that I couldn't buy from a Buddist, a Atheist, a Christian or anyone else. I'm fed up with the violence and hatred that comes with large muslim populations.
Posted by: Roxane at July 12, 2005 10:51 PM
Very good Mr. Watson, very, very good! I must say that you expressed my sentiments with great accuracy and precision. We are spending billions to protect ourselves from people we don't even have to allow into our country. WHY???????????
Is it because we are bored? Because we have so much extra money we must find creative ways to squander it?
I have contended for a long time that it is insane and idiotic to fight wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and ignore the enemies who have infiltrated our country, some legally, some illegally, and others who probably strolled casually across our open, unprotected borders. The deplorable situation we find ourselves in is like a bucket with a hole in the bottom. We pour billions of dollars into homeland security, spy agencies, surveillance equipment, monitoring equipment and "aid" to enemy countries like Egypt, Pakistan and the scum of the earth Palestinians, not to mention our war expenses in Iraq and Afghanistan. At the same time, we do nothing to stop muslim immigration, so the murdering jihadists keep coming and coming, more to watch, more to threaten us. We leave our borders unattended, wide open for anyone to cross.
As the muslim population multiplies, it will eventually be impossible to monitor. What then? Do we allow America to become another Europe? I guess that's the plan in Washington.
Posted by: Susanp at July 13, 2005 2:29 AM
About the only good news I've heard so far in the war on terror is that Muslim applications to attend US Universities are down by 2/3 since 9/11. IT'S A START!!! Let's hope the same thing has happened with Muslims 'seeking asylum' in the US too. The news will be very good when we learn that Muslims are seeking asylum back in the Islamic shit holes from whence they came because America has just become too 'anti-Islamic' for them to tolerate it any longer.
Isn't it bizarre the way they come to this country which they never cease to slander and excoritate for "Islamophobia" when the the pretext most of them used to immigrate was supposedly escaping the religious and political persecution in their shit hole of origin? Seditious complainers all...
Can anyone answer how America has benefited by their presence? How have they added to the common weal by their anti-American presence? Instead they have become a common wheal to America... (weal = welfare of the community, wheal = a welt or swelling of the skin from insect bites...)
Posted by: jsla at July 13, 2005 3:31 PM
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