To the Brits here:

Any chance Lavour will pay for this dhimmitude electorally, folks? I certainly, certainly hope so. Democracy is both our biggest peacetime strength and our biggest peacetime weakness. Time we showed democracy works in favor of ordinary folks too, not just special interest muzi lobbies and appeasement-driven politics.

Posted by: voletti at July 16, 2005 9:21 AM

I wonder if Imam Blair will holds hands with Qaradawi? Blair: This is not my boyfriend? Who you going believe, Britain, me or your lying eyes? What od you call a person in chronic denial? A former Prime Minister.

Posted by: reset at July 16, 2005 9:32 AM

"A MUSLIM cleric who has defended suicide bombings in Israel and Iraq is to be allowed into Britain next month for an international conference."

But of course that is OK! Letting the "crocodile" have its way is part of multi culti democracy.
just read Ledeen's article "The Jews
War and a sickness."
http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200507130823.asp

"It was widely noted, most passionately by the Iraqi blogger Hammorabi, that when Tony Blair reminded the House of Commons that many countries had been scourged by the terrorists in recent years, he omitted Iraq from the list. His speechwriters had Iraq in a different part of their database; Iraqis weren't victims of terrorism in the same way as Brits, Americans, Kenyans, and Indonesians. One's instinct is to let it go as an oversight, but there was another country missing from the list, and this case was somewhat less widely noted: Israel. And at this point, one is forced to do some thinking. What do these two countries have in common, that they should both be ignored in the British government's response to the London attacks?"

Posted by: Cynic at July 16, 2005 9:32 AM

But who do you then vote for?

All 3 major British parties are dhimmis.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 16, 2005 9:37 AM

Well you left out the BNP. I know the vast majority of Britains hate them, BUT they got Islam right while all the other parties slouched into dhimmitude.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=392

Posted by: reset at July 16, 2005 10:24 AM

Blair and company are like an amateur roadshow cast for the British mounting of The Wizard of Oz.

'Tony the Blaircrow' (who scares no crows) sings:

"If I only had a brain!" to rave reviews.

(In Cairo and Islamabad, especially.)

And Ken Livingstone, as the Cowardly British Lion, warbles:

"If I only had the nerve."

(Applause can be heard all the way from Mecca.)

While the Muslims in England form a chorus (as the mass-of-Tin Men and Tin Women) muezzin-ing:

"If we only had a heart."

With the LOUD sound of Ticking throughout.

(How long this 'show' goes on depends on the average Brit voter.)

Posted by: BigSleep at July 16, 2005 10:56 AM

Wonder if the British will bestow knighthood on Qaradawi and start calling him "Sir"...

Posted by: duh_swami at July 16, 2005 11:44 AM

Going after the evil ideology didn't last long, did it?

Posted by: Voltaire at July 16, 2005 12:04 PM

BIG HAIRY GONADS

our politicos just don't have them

Posted by: apostate_islam at July 16, 2005 12:12 PM

Yes, reset I read it and it makes a lot of sense.

If only they didn't keep referring to "white people" all the time.

If this party was just against Islam and that was it, I would give it my wholehearted support. But I cannot support anyone who is racist against black people.

But yes, they are the only party which gets it right about Islam.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 16, 2005 12:26 PM

The BNP views are pretty interesting.....found little to disagree with on how to run the country.

Posted by: rumoret at July 16, 2005 2:14 PM

It's like the toast that Jack Nicholson finally manages to order in "Five Easy Pieces." You know what I mean:

"I'll have a BNP please. Hold the pathological antisemitism. Hold the anti-black stuff. Hold the anti-brown skin stuff. Hold the Oswald Moseley stuff. Hold the strutting around in groups and wearing uniforms stuff. Okay, now all that's left is just the part that tells the bleak truth about Islam. That's all I wanted in the first place.

Oh, and with it I'd like a nice tall glass of Chateau de la Pompe, deux mille cinq, s'il-vous-plait."

Wouldn't it be better to order up exactly what we wanted? Perhaps we need to take our custom elsewhere, to a place more respectable -- not the scruffy caff down the way, but The Elephant and Castle, or The White Hart, or The Rose and Crown, where the goings-on are less rowdy and even tourists, upon whom one does not wish to make a bad impression, have been known to drop in from time to time?

Posted by: Hugh at July 16, 2005 2:53 PM

"they [the BNP] are the only party which gets it right about Islam."

That shows how abysmally and profoundly PC Leftism has infected our general sociopolitical atmosphere everywhere in the West -- that the only party that gets it right about Islam happens to be a quasi-racist reactionary party.

Posted by: metaxy at July 16, 2005 3:27 PM

It's true, parties like the BNP understand the problem with Islam. But make no mistake, extreme right-wing parties like the BNP in Britain or the NPD (National-Democratic Pary)in Germany are getting almost everything else absolutely wrong. They are anti-Israel, anti-USA, anti-globalisation, isolationist, racist (believe my, I'm not using that word casually since I myself are accused of racism quite frequently)etc.
Voting BNP is not the solution. Look at the Dutch: After the murder of Theo van Gogh, anti-dhimmitude positions have proliferated to the parties of the center. It can work in Britain,too. Maybe the attacks on London had their good side, too: Islamism's intentions have been exposed and there's no more room for denial.

Posted by: Simon at July 16, 2005 3:43 PM

Simon,

Still, there seems to be an important ideological and rational difference between the BNP types who get the problem of Islam right, and other quasi-racist reactionary types, like the neo-Nazi Muslim convert David Myatt or the head of the Aryan Nation August Kreis who supports al Qaeda. Why do the former condemn radical Islam, while the latter embrace radical Islam?

Posted by: metaxy at July 16, 2005 4:04 PM

I have already posted my twopennorth about the BNP on the "UK turns down French proposal on surveillance of mosques" thread yesterday morning so I won't repeat it. Just don't go there. Voting for the BNP, I mean, not to the thread.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at July 16, 2005 4:44 PM

In contrast to the feeble choice of political options opened to voters in the UK. France may just have the perfect candidate. Philippe de Villiers from the MPF is a center right euro MP from Vendée, whose public profile grew massively during the 'non' eu referendum campain in May.

While Sarkozy is considered by some on JW to be a knight in smarming armor, he is the politician whose lust for power has led him to encourage police to massage crime statistics to make him look tough. He has created the CFCM, a national islamic organisation funded by algeria and with a strong UOIF (Muslim Brotherhood presence). We don't have time to take risks with candidates who hide their true program, and although Sarkozy may be a closet islamophobe, he is very much an admirer of Blair, who has always been a master of style rather than substance. This admiration of Blair, makes him suspicious.

An initially nervous looking Philippe de Villiers appeared today, on a live TV news interview and turned the interview around to make his feelings on islam quite clear. He was intially asked to comment on the traditional 14th of July Chirac interview.

Philippe de Villiers contrasted the presidential garden party with the 234 vehicles destroyed by mobs in french suburbs over the 'festive' period.

Claire Chazal, the anchor was clearly not expecting this kind of interview as Philippe de Villiers continued smashing every taboo subject including the following "since the 7th of July, we the political leaders know that the third world war has been declared. This is a war which has been declared by radical Islam, and we cannot continue to remain impotent in the face of the gradual islamisation of french society"

He continued uninterrupted "We must urgently create a national guard, with three objectives. Firstly, protect national frontiers, whatever the EU says, and despite Schengen..secondly, take back the islamic neighbourhoods..thirdly control the mosques" He fiercely criticizes Sarkozy for funding mosques with state money, with one new mosque permit granted every week. He adds "I believe that Islam is the compost in which grows islamism, which in turn is the source of terrorism"

The interview (In french) is here http://s.tf1.fr/FluxJt/jt13d16072005/jt13d16072005r08.asx

Posted by: Sebastien at July 16, 2005 5:21 PM

Sebasian wrote...He continued uninterrupted "We must urgently create a national guard, with three objectives. Firstly, protect national frontiers, whatever the EU says, and despite Schengen..secondly, take back the islamic neighbourhoods..thirdly control the mosques" He fiercely criticizes Sarkozy for funding mosques with state money, with one new mosque permit granted every week. He adds "I believe that Islam is the compost in which grows islamism, which in turn is the source of terrorism" ..

Wow. Could I get a politician like that here in the US? We have Tom Tancredo and that's it. He hasn't gone that far yet but you can feel the earth is starting to move in politicsland here in the US. It's a slow tremor and may be a false quake, but I am hoping for much more. It is time for our politicians to quit lying to us, and it is time for us to quit lying to ourselves. That is changing.

Or course, I know the posters here and the 'tiny, tiny minority' that knows the truth and have no qualms to openly discuss it need no earthquake to awaken from their dhimmitude.

Posted by: reset at July 16, 2005 6:16 PM

Tony Blair has hit the nail right on the head

"Its roots are not superficial, but deep, in the madrassas of Pakistan, in the extreme forms of Wahabi doctrine in Saudi Arabia, in the former training camps of Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan; in the cauldron of Chechnya; in parts of the politics of most countries of the Middle East and many in Asia; in the extremist minority that now in every European city preach hatred of the West and our way of life."

Thats what I'm talking about.

Lets get down to business.

Posted by: ia786 at July 16, 2005 6:21 PM

"Why if it is the cause of Muslims that concerns them, do they kill so many with such callous indifference?"

Posted by: ia786 at July 16, 2005 6:22 PM

"We must pull this up by its roots. Within Britain, we must join up with our Muslims community to take on the extremists. Worldwide, we should confront it everywhere it exists.

Next week I and other party leaders will meet key members of the Muslim community. Out of it I hope we can get agreed action to take this common fight forward. I want also to work with other nations to promote the true face of Islam worldwide.

Round the world, there are conferences already being held, numerous inter-faith dialogues in place but we need to bring all of these activities together and give them focus."

Posted by: ia786 at July 16, 2005 6:22 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4689363.stm

Very Good speech

Posted by: ia786 at July 16, 2005 6:23 PM

Sebastian,

Is there a written transcript of that interview with Villiers? I can't listen to audio on my computer.

Also, what is the French word that was translated as "compost" in that quote?

Thanks

Posted by: metaxy at July 16, 2005 6:24 PM

Pardon me for being a little, uh, nasty, but it seems that Britain has brought all this on themselves (and we are doing the same). If you raise snakes expect to get bitten.

Posted by: Seymour Paine at July 16, 2005 7:29 PM

Metaxy, the word for compost used was "terreau". I don't know of a transcript but maybe something will appear on the MPF website http://www.mpf-villiers.com/

I translated what I felt was relevant to this website. I picked up the story from here http://sosfrance.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1324&sid=d275c1b267ff65f6d59913613e39f53e if you are interested.

Best regards

Posted by: Sebastien at July 16, 2005 7:35 PM

Metaxy, good point about the BNP being opposed to Islam, while other right wing groups support it.

There is one other thing that I'd like to say.

What if a sufficient number of people joined the BNP and changed their anti-Black, anti-semitic policies while retaining their anti-Islam policies.

The only thing that I can think of is that we start our own anti-Islam party from the ground up.

And with the religious villification laws about to pass in Britain, that looks like it will be hard, even impossible.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 16, 2005 8:33 PM

ia786, I think that you are totally clueless about your own religion.

You're like some-one who suffers from anorexia and yet who looks in the mirror and thinks that they're fat.

People around the world are starting to wake up to just how evil Islam is.

And yet, you are so warped by this ideology that you can't see it for yourself.

Please do yourself a favour and get out, before you're forced out.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 16, 2005 8:39 PM

IA pointed this particular piece out. Let me fix your vision.

...
Tony Blair has hit the nail right on the head

"Its roots are not superficial, but deep, in the madrassas of Pakistan, in the extreme forms of Wahabi doctrine in Saudi Arabia, in the former training camps of Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan; in the cauldron of Chechnya; in parts of the politics of most countries of the Middle East and many in Asia; in the extremist minority that now in every European city preach hatred of the West and our way of life."

Thats what I'm talking about.

Lets get down to business.
...

The FIRST place where the 'evil ideology' lies is in the Koran and Hadiths. Got that IA?

SECOND, you can't have all these thriving 'cesspools of Islamists' without the consent and approval of the "Ummah".

Now Sherlock, if you still don't have a clue, you are an intelligent fool AND a Muslim. We know you don't want Islam to be this way, but it is, and you have got to get beyond denial.

Get out there and tell your Muslim brother and sisters we have killed too many too fast, we need to 'retreat', 'lie low in Medina' and plan a jihad where we can kill everyone on Earth. That way, we ALL get to be first in line, and the Infidels, they will ALL burn in Hell.

Be brave. Be another Bat Ye'or. Or write a letter to Irshad Manji. Now she is a lesbian, so I don't know if you can get beyond the Quran and respect her, but I think she would welcome your letter.

You don't have to be a Christian. I was raised a Christian but I asked my mother if I could quit going to Church with her when I was 9, and she did not push me. I never went back. I just wasn't into it at all. And I respected her for that. The point is I can have a personal relationship with some deity if I wish or I don't. That is NOT what Islam teaches and you know it.

Posted by: reset at July 16, 2005 9:11 PM

Why is Blair allowing this? Does he want a riot? Is he that foolish? I just do not understand the man. At least Bush isn't surrounded by total dhimmis. I expect that Rumsfield, Bush and Rove are having some pretty heavy discussions. Let us hope Condi, a SuperDhimmi after her 'oh holy quran' dhimmi act magnifico, has been struck in the head and awakens from hem dhimmi slumber. Let us please all hope that John Esposito is not the guiding light at this meeting. If Karen Armstrong is called in for advice, I will slit my wrists. The war is lost. (just kidding)

Posted by: reset at July 16, 2005 9:37 PM