I think that Russia will be one country which we can rely upon to get rid of Islamic extremism.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 17, 2005 7:29 PM

Okay all you schmucks who were out protesting Israel's "apartheid wall." I expect to see you out in full force protesting this new horrific human rights violation. Make sure you contact those dimwits, er jurists at the ICJ ...

Posted by: Kemaste at July 17, 2005 7:46 PM

"I think that Russia will be one country which we can rely upon to get rid of Islamic extremism."

Yes, I think you are right. The Russians have always opposed Islamic Extremism (Wahabism)

Now I hope you aren't thinking that Russia must be anti-Islam/Muslim. That is not the case. One can be pro Islam but anti Islamic extremism.

Despite US pressure, Russia signs nuclear fuel deal with Iran

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/mar2005/iran-m02.shtml

Putin offers to help Palestinians

http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4496273.stm

Posted by: ia786 at July 17, 2005 7:51 PM

Okay all you schmucks who were out protesting Israel's "apartheid wall." I expect to see you out in full force protesting this new horrific human rights violation. Make sure you contact those dimwits, er jurists at the ICJ

There's no violation if you build walls on your own territory. The two cases are clearly not the same. I'm not endorsing the ICJ decision.

Posted by: Viking5 at July 17, 2005 8:02 PM

Voltaire,
“I think that Russia will be one country which we can rely upon to get rid of Islamic extremism.”

The very nature of Islam is extremism. (I hope you haven't bought the "religion of peace" jingle.)
Therefore the only way to get rid of Islamic extremism is to threaten Islam with extinction. Extreme, but sensible.

So, if Russia, instead of spending all that money on border security project, declares that it will nuke Mecca in response to the next Moslem atrocity against her citizens then you are most probably right.

Let’s hope that the West would then recognize the effectiveness of the Russian strategy and follow her example.

Posted by: thomas. h at July 17, 2005 8:37 PM

"One can be pro Islam but anti Islamic extremism."
--- from a posting above

This is nonsense. Mainstream Islam, orthodox Islam, if fully accepted, leads precisely to every single one of the beliefs, attitudes, and acts now so absurdly labelled as those of "extremist" Muslims. They aren't. Bin Laden tells the truth about what Islam teaches. No Muslim has yet adduced the passages in the canonical texts which would refute him, refute the charges that Islam teaches Jihad as a central duty, that it teaches that the world is divided between Believer and Infidel, and that the world is divided as well between dar al-Islam and dar al-harb, and there can be only endless warfare until the latter is swallowed up by the former. This is orthodox Islam, not "extremist Islam."

The nonsense will continue to be uttered, but can simply be sloughed off. Meanwhile, read more. Read the historians. Read Henri Lammens. Read Zwemer. Read St. Clair Tisdall, who spent so much time in India, and whose review of Arnold's book on how Islam was spread by "missionary" activity is worth having on hand. Read Snouck Hurgronje, particularly the last few pages of his book on the Acehinese -- a fantastic summary of the role of Jihad in Muslim life.

Read, study. Study, read. Know the truth, and the truth shall make ye free. Remember that?

Posted by: Hugh at July 17, 2005 10:01 PM

Hugh,

"Know the truth, and the truth shall make ye free. Remember that?"

You are wasting your time.
The person you are addressing is a moslem which means that for him all truth is contained in the Koran. And that "truth" has nothing to do with Truth.

He is a good moslem and therefore hermetically closed to facts.

As far as the West is concerned, the only good moslem is a bad moslem.

Posted by: thomas. h at July 17, 2005 10:25 PM

Hugh, I don't have time for all that reading. I have read enough. I am taking action. There is so much we can do as an individual with creative thinking and the quill and postage. How can I attack Islam from the comfort of my office and make a difference? I am already trying a few tactics, and my concept for my website continues to develop. I'll read more books when I have time, but now I am taking action. If these 'trial' tactics work, I will let people here know what worked and why.

Reset

Posted by: reset at July 17, 2005 10:54 PM

IA, I have already trashed you into a pulp. But you keep coming back for more. You're such a good little wormy jihadi. Better run IA, I see the garbage truck coming. Time to take the trash out.

Posted by: reset at July 17, 2005 11:03 PM

Thomas H, I agree with you.

I'm just so used to watering things down by calling the problem "Islamic extremism" when I'm with people who think that Islam is the religion of peace, that I forgot to say that the problem is Islam itself.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 18, 2005 12:36 AM

...declares that it will nuke Mecca in response to the next Moslem atrocity against her citizens ...

I must admit when Rebecca first proposed this, I was like 'Are your nuts?', but it is growing on me. Rebecca made a good argument because who soever makes that decision to call the bluff, they will live in Islam history (what's left of it) as the one who called the bluff and lost Mecca for Islam. What jihadi wants to be remembered for that.

Isn't that what Islam has been doing to the West? Do this or we'll blow you up. Time to turn the tables.

Posted by: reset at July 18, 2005 12:53 AM

ia786 apparently doesn't know that the Soviet Union destroyed THOUSANDS of mosques throughout the Muslim regions it conquered (and/or had inherited through Czarist conquest).

Funny how Muslims hate America more than the Russians, when our soldiers are so careful not to harm one stone on all mosques in Iraq, while the Russians DESTROYED THOUSANDS OF MOSQUES.

Moral of the Story: Muslims respect politically incorrect brutality.

Posted by: metaxy at July 18, 2005 1:16 AM

"I think that Russia will be one country which we can rely upon to get rid of Islamic extremism."

Oh reeally? Maybe they should start with Iran....

Posted by: Kemaste at July 18, 2005 1:34 AM

"I think that Russia will be one country which we can rely upon to get rid of Islamic extremism."

Oh reeally? Maybe they should start with Iran....

Posted by: Kemaste at July 18, 2005 1:36 AM

100s of mosques have been built in Russia in the past 10 years, all funded by the usual suspects. I was chatting on ICQ with someone from Kazan, in Tatarstan. This old russian city, complete with a 16th century Kremlin on the banks of the Volga, is now approaching 50% muslim.

The absence of communism has allowed a powerful islamic rivival and beards and Burkas are now everywhere to be seen. This wall might be helpful but the enemy is as likely to be within as without. http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-06/21/article05.shtml

Posted by: Sebastien at July 18, 2005 8:50 AM

Thomas H.:

Are you the Thomas H I think you are? Good to see your posts again.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at July 18, 2005 12:36 PM

Waterdragon52,

Perhaps, but most likely not.

I do recall posting something on a few occasions in that blog, but I doubt it was frequent enough or, let’s face it, of such quality, as to create a lasting memory in reader. Nevertheless, your query indicates that if there was another Thomas H. you must have liked his postings. Now since you consider the possibility that he and I are the same person then you, obviously, must also like my own writing. And that makes me rather glad.
So, I think that even if it is a case of mistaken identity, the welcome you are extending me is not entirely undeserved.

Thank you Waterdragon

Posted by: thomas. h at July 18, 2005 2:44 PM

Thomas H:

I was thinking specifically of Thomas Haidon who seemed to be going through a great deal of soul searching a few months ago vis a vis his conversion to Islam.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at July 18, 2005 3:11 PM

Well, that for sure was not me. And, frankly, I am quite relieved.

Posted by: thomas. h at July 18, 2005 6:57 PM