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The International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU) is the World Union of Humanist, Secular and Rationalist organisations, with 100 member organisations in about 40 countries. Here is a press release from them (thanks to Andrew Bostom):
CRITICISM OF SUICIDE BOMBERS CENSORED AT THE UNIHEU today attempted to call on the United Nations to condemn
killing in the name of religion, but were prevented from doing so by the heavy-handed intervention of Islamic representatives. The IHEU call, at today's meeting of the UN Sub-Commission on Human Rights in Geneva, follows moves by Islamic clerics to legitimise the current wave of terror attacks.At this afternoon's meeting, IHEU representative David Littman attempted to deliver a prepared text in the joint names of three international NGOs: the Association for World Education, the Association of World Citizens, and IHEU, but was prevented from doing so by the intervention of Islamic members of the Sub-Commission. After repeated interruptions he was unable to complete his speech.
The Islamic members of the Sub-Commission objected to the speech as an
attack on Islam. The text however is a report on recent critical comment on Islamist extremism by a number of notable Muslim writers and is a call to the UN Human Rights Commission by the NGOs "to condemn calls to kill, to terrorise or to use violence in the name of God or any religion".The text referred to recent decisions by high-ranking Muslim clerics
confirming that those who carry out suicide bombings cannot be treated as apostates and remain Muslims(1), a fatwa by a Saudi cleric that innocent Britons were a legitimate target for terrorist action(2), and remarks by Yusuf al-Qaradawi, dean of the College of Sharia and Islamic Studies at Qatar University who has visited Britain, that terror attacks are permissible.Commenting on this censorship, Roy Brown, President of IHEU said:
"This is part and parcel of the refusal by the Islamic representatives at the UN to condemn the suicide bombers, or to accept any criticism of those who kill innocent people in the name of God.These actions follow the refusal of the Islamic states at the meeting of the Commission in April to condemn those who kill in the name of religion, and to categorise their attempts to criticise Islamic terrorists as "defamation of religion".
"It is high time", Mr Brown insisted "that the Islamic States at the UN recognised that the suicide bombers are acting in the name of their
religion, and to unequivocally condemn their actions."
Posted by Robert at July 26, 2005 6:46 PM
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"It is high time", Mr Brown insisted "that the Islamic States at the UN recognised that the suicide bombers are acting in the name of their
religion, and to unequivocally condemn their actions."
Maybe when pigs learn to fly.
Posted by: scaramouoche![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/nav-commenters.gif)
at July 26, 2005 7:18 PM
I am not surprised by the Muslims countries actions. From their point of view any attempt to criticize or otherwise show that Islam is at fault is directly assualting the religion of Islam and its teachings.
Of course the rest of the western world is being attacked by the muslim terrorists, innocents are being killed, mass genocide in the sudan, mass rapes, be-headings, bombings etc etc all committed by Islam.
But they will not and cannot betray islam for to do so is to become an apostate.
So the question now becomes what to do next?
Either you leave things as they are and hope that the muslims will stop these attrocities (not likely)
You surrender and hope to fare better under islamic rule (again not likely under sharia law)
You try to reason and change islam (which is what president bush is trying to do my opening up iraq and other islamic nations to democracy. And which allmost all of the islamic clerics have publicly stated that islam is INCOMPATIBLE with democracy or capalism.
The last option is to fight against the comming islamic takeover (and so far not many have been willing to state publicly what we all know is comming next)..
Islam cannot be reformed because it is islam and to do so would be asking the pope to not be catholic..
I hate to say this but folks hold onto your hats they will be comming read bin ladens and zarchawi's letters they have warned us already
As dictated by the Koran...
When the time comes you will have to choose freedom (which you will have to fight for) or sharia law under islamic rule..
I already have made my choice.
Help the energy crisis burn a Koran...
at July 26, 2005 7:27 PM
Throw them off the commission.
Posted by: TooBad at July 26, 2005 7:40 PM
The UN is a farce and an enemy encampment that we pay for. Why do we fund this corrupt organization? Don't build a new UN building here, build it in Eurabia. Let Saudis fund it. Let's leave with our friends and start a new organization that puts the Infidels' interest first.
Posted by: reset at July 26, 2005 7:45 PM
This war is global. The conflagration to come is no doubt going to equal if not exceed, the magnitude of human suffering experienced in WWII.
The United States is quietly preparing for such a scenario. The expectation in the law enforcement community is palpable. The US military community is already spooled up. Operations such as REX84, Garden Plot and Cable Splicer have paved (pun intended) the way for what must be done on the domestic front. The tempo of enemy operations is increasing in the Middle East, Europe, Caucasus, South Asia, East Asia, and North America. The enemy knows that time is running out. The United States has not yet mobilized for war. It will be too late to strike effectively once it does. In the meantime we can all practice our BRASS.
Many pacifists in the West are concerned that the Iraq TO is providing training for jihadis who then use that experience in the TOs mentioned above. What they fail to realize is that the US and UK military is learning more about the enemy in the Iraqi and Afghani TOs than the enemy is learning about us.
Posted by: Hulegu Khan at July 26, 2005 8:00 PM
"the suicide bombers are acting in the name of their religion, and to unequivocally condemn their actions."
-- from the article above
But as Sheik Qaradawi can tell you, as Sheik Tantawi can tell you, it isn't "suicide" if you die while conducting Jihad. It isn't suicide if you are dying only because there seems to be no other way for you to kill Infidels effectively. It isn't suicide if you are full of joy, rather than full of the despair that characterizes, in Islam, the real suicide -- and is the unacceptable characteristic of suicide, for why should any Believer ever be full of despair? Why, Muslims never kill themelves in that kind of suicide. Remember how insistent the Egyptian government was about that, when it was suggested that the co-pilot of the EgyptAir plane was despondent over personal matters (he had been fired for scandalous behavior; it was to have been his last flight) and had killed himself by bringing the plane down. "No, impossible, cannot be. Muslims do not commit suicide." Except when they do, and of course when they are killing Infidels that doesn't count as suicide. It's just too much fun.
at July 26, 2005 9:06 PM
Toni Blair is making the same kind of noises these days.
Just wondering if Bush follows suit. I doubt it.
Condi seems completely clueless.
But there is this guy Michael Graham from WMAL who is stirring things up.
Just wondering why it all takes so long?
at July 26, 2005 10:48 PM
And the American taypayers are going to pay for a new U.N. complex?! Why do we even participate in this farce?
This should be the last straw, the final insult from arrogant, barbarian muslims. The "peacemaking" UN has now declared that muslims are free to engage in suicide/homicide atrocities because they are sanctioned by Islam?!!! The UN should be shut down and all of the corrupt, thieving bureaucrats sent packing! These are the elitist intelligentsia that intend to establish a world government; backwards, ignorant, uncivilized barbarians living, breathing, taking up valuable space on earth, in America. It just makes me want to vomit.
The U.N. is beyond irrelevant; it is dangerous.
Posted by: Susanp at July 27, 2005 12:03 AM
"The Islamic members of the Sub-Commission objected to the speech as an
attack on Islam. "
I'd love names and countries, not this "Islamic members" crap...and a transcript too...
at July 27, 2005 12:05 AM
So:
"Criticizing sucide bombers is an attack on Islam."
-thus say U.N. Muslim states.
That would make an instructive bumper sticker.
Posted by: BigSleep at July 27, 2005 2:30 AM
" Don't build a new UN building here, build it in Eurabia."
No no no:
No mo' Muzzies pleeeeze! Europe got too many already!
Susanp:
"This should be the last straw, the final insult from arrogant, barbarian muslims. The "peacemaking" UN has now declared that muslims are free to engage in suicide/homicide atrocities because they are sanctioned by Islam?!!! The UN should be shut down and all of the corrupt, thieving bureaucrats sent packing! "
Round 'em up, ship 'em out! I'm all for it, but how do we get Bushie and Condi to even 'speak' about it?
But I like your bumper sticker, BigSleep! Where can I buy it?
Posted by: Terminator at July 27, 2005 4:42 AM
" Don't build a new UN building here, build it in Eurabia."
No no no:
No mo' Muzzies pleeeeze! Europe got too many already!
Susanp:
"This should be the last straw, the final insult from arrogant, barbarian muslims. The "peacemaking" UN has now declared that muslims are free to engage in suicide/homicide atrocities because they are sanctioned by Islam?!!! The UN should be shut down and all of the corrupt, thieving bureaucrats sent packing! "
Round 'em up, ship 'em out! I'm all for it, but how do we get Bushie and Condi to even 'speak' about it?
But I like your bumper sticker, BigSleep! Where can I buy it?
Posted by: Terminator at July 27, 2005 4:42 AM
I already have made my choice.
Help the energy crisis burn a Koran...
NO NO NO
read my comment at bottom of thread
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/007383.php
better than blocking toilets
at July 27, 2005 5:17 AM
There`s a rumour going around which I hope turns out true.
Seems there is a group of these `moderates` being formed who intend to snuff out the villain clergy. I heard Omar Bakri, Qaradhawi and that Saudi Arabian Sudayis are among those top on the list.
They intend to offer rewards to their moderate muslim brothers for the `cleansing of Islam`.
Apparently, this is to eliminate the mullahs/leaders who have given Islam a bad name through their hate preaching.
at July 27, 2005 6:44 AM
Hutchrun: Seems there is a group of these `moderates` being formed who intend to snuff out the villain clergy. I heard Omar Bakri, Qaradhawi and that Saudi Arabian Sudayis are among those top on the list.
--
If this turns out to be true, indeed nothing they do would shock me, it would be text-book islamic. Nothing to do with morality (|the means here would be vile) but all to do with expediency. In islam, anything that harms islam must be removed and anything that promotes islam must be undertaken, a legalism that has escaped all the experts. Islam is the ultimate 'religion of expediency'. And as you say, it's all about image. It harms the expansion of islam.
I remember reading ages ago that the 'moderates' were furious with bin laden for 'jumping the gun'. The moderates, perhaps not so instant-gratification-oriented, as their more active brothers, are content to let demographics, dawa, and low-level destabilisation take their course.
The difference between the so-called moderates and so-called extremists is one of practicality, expediency, not morality. But very few people seem to realise this.
Posted by: Silvester at July 27, 2005 8:33 AM
BTW Hutchrun, where did you hear this?
Posted by: Silvester at July 27, 2005 8:36 AM
Just remember this.....Not all Muslims are terrorists, but so far all the terrorists are Muslims!
Posted by: just one soldier at July 27, 2005 10:26 AM
So... the secularists and the humanists (i.e. "atheists") critcize the United Nothing for failure to condemn Muslim suicide bombers, AND YET the Christians are divesting from Israel, rallying for the Mobots of Northern England, rallying for Al-Aryan in Tampa, lying about Zionists in Bethlehem, and apologizing for the Crusades? Nice. Now if the Saudis can just up the ante a little more and get Falwell and Limbaugh on their side, we can start preparing for Armeggedon. Or at least set ourselves to witness a four-million-Daniel-Pearls invasion.
Posted by: kj at July 27, 2005 11:12 AM
Nice to know the atheists are getting so excited about what religions are doing, but I think we should wait until they have condemned the crimes and murders committed by atheists (e.g. Stalin, Pol Pot, Shining Path, FARC, Mao, current Chinese leadership, etc., etc.,) before we listen to what they have to say about anyone else.
Posted by: Anselmus at July 27, 2005 12:23 PM
i can not believe this guy let himself get shouted down. this is why we need a guy like john bolton that will not let himself get railroaded by these fundmentalists that have infiltrated the un. i would have just talked over this freak untill my say was done if he wouldnt shut his foul mouth and let someone other than himself talk. isnt the un supposed to be about dialogue? this islamic represenative should have let our man have his say then if he had anything to retort he should have been allowed to do so, but i think it is just part and parcel for this ideaology to intimidate and force thier will upon others.
Posted by: ethoman at July 27, 2005 12:26 PM
Silvester:
I suspect hutchrun was being sarcastic. Issuing murder-approving fatwas is not exactly the modus opperandi of any of the [few] moderate imams.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at July 27, 2005 1:05 PM
Ouch, it didn't occur to me he was being sarcastic - because, quite honestly, nothing, but nothing would surprise when it comes to the religion of expediency!
Posted by: Silvester at July 27, 2005 2:10 PM
Not that I miss him, but does it strike anyone else as funny that KingTolerance has no "balanced" view point to share with us here.
My bet is that this is only round one at the UN. Ultimately, this submission will find broad backing and, despite the usual suspects' machinations, will succeed. It will only be a moral victory, but it would still be an important public indication that the pendulum is swinging back in an venue where a country that is ranked in the mid-30s as to human rights violations is the focus of 25% of the resolutions condemning it while other vile and oppressive regimes like Syria get to sit on very august UN bodies.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at July 27, 2005 4:48 PM
Jingoist, if I had a fireplace, I would use the Koran in place of firewood.
Posted by: Voltaire at July 27, 2005 8:18 PM
waterdragon52 & silvester:
Like i said i thot it was a rumour and i wished it were to come true.
I actually heard it when with a khoja muslim and some sunni muslims who are somewhat well placed (including in the security apparatus).
When i said the chief imam would get them, one of them said `the imam would get the `s*** kicked out` if he turned up.
at July 28, 2005 4:21 AM
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