1 - disagree
2 - disagree
3 - agree
4 - agree
5 - disagree (because others would arise to replace those eliminated)

Maybe if enough people answer this survey, you could create an online poll.

Posted by: David M. Hartzell at July 28, 2005 11:00 AM

1. Disagree
Women are treated as chattel, or property. Though excused as an attempt to "protect" them from harm, how do honor killings fit in to this "protection"? ( "In order to save the village, we must destroy it"!)
2. Disagree
While all terrorists may not be Muslim, the most active and reprehensible terrorists are Muslim. Other groups do not intentionally target children (Beslan), nor do they condone rape as an instrument of conquest (Darfur).
3. Agree
An example would be the pocket enclaves in France where the police, and angels, fear to tread.
4. Agree
5. Agree
Most heartily!

Posted by: jhl952 at July 28, 2005 11:04 AM

1. Disagree
2. Disagree
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. Agree

Posted by: DJelinek at July 28, 2005 11:07 AM

Propagate This Faith.
This Faith is born on the Internet and spreading through the Internet.

As This Faith only claims Truth and Freedom,
as it claims that all books and prophets are invention of evil,
as it claims the equality of woman and man,
fundamental children rights,
the respect to all animals.
I found nothing bad with This Faith.
On the contrary, I thought it was good for others and for me.

I decided to convert to This Faith which is spreading fast in the world through the Internet and to help propagate This Faith.

I ask you this question :
do you see anything wrong with This Faith ?

This is the Time 07/28/2005.

This is the Faith:

This Religion is Truth and This Church is Freedom
This can be prayed as many, one, or none.
This has no name and can be given any name.
This has created everything.
This creatures are all pure and sacred and all deserve the same rights.
This needs no prophet and raised no prophet: all these are inventions of evil.
This needs no book and inspired no book: all these are inventions of evil
Human union is between one woman and one man.
A human child has the right to have one mother and one father.
evil name is lie, child of jealousy and envy.
The wicked lost their ability to distinguish Good from evil and became evil slaves.
We will burn the wicked in the fire of Truth as only This can fight evil.

This is the Prayer:

I acknowleged the nature of evil.
I will spread the Faith on Earth with all my might.
I will fight the wicked till they come back to the path of Truth or die.
Then peace will come to Earth and This will will be accomplished

Posted by: ila at July 28, 2005 11:13 AM

1. Disagree
003.028
YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
PICKTHAL: Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

2. Disagree
"Just because you're islamophobic
Doesn't mean their not out to get you"
http://www.nysun.com/article/16667
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/07/global-islamic-terror-attack-map.html
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2001/html/10304.htm
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/usterrtoc.html

3. Agree
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006014.php
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/03/all-arabic-preschool-classes-in.html

4. Agree
CAIR, MSA, see freedom house report on US mosques etc.

5. Disagree, the doctrine of islam initiates the necessary replacements

Posted by: miira at July 28, 2005 11:24 AM

DC: Question no. 6:

Muhammedans have infiltrated our societies and demand ever more special 'rights & privileges.' Islamic terrorists have succeeded striking fear in the hearts of our citizens and seem to multiply as they intend to outbreed us.

Are you in favor of more Islamic immigration? yes/no

Or, are you in favor to intern them, close the mosques and deport them? yes/no

Posted by: Terminator at July 28, 2005 11:26 AM

1. Disagree
2. Disagree
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. Not sure how to answer that one, I don't think it makes any diffeence to whether they would benefit or assimilate better.

Posted by: Daffersd at July 28, 2005 11:37 AM

6. No
7. Regretfully, yes

Posted by: Daffersd at July 28, 2005 11:40 AM

Bloody good poll, about a bloody, hate-filled culture.

Disagree

Disagree

Agree

Agree

Agree with honors, mate.

Posted by: Unbridled at July 28, 2005 11:44 AM

"The recently published Pew poll has announced that fewer Americans are linking Islam with violence, dropping from 44% in 2003 to 36% presently."

King: Perhaps this indicates that Americans are linking the violence with a political agenda and not an entire religion. Perhaps Americans are smart enough to be able to dissect radicals from the rest of their religous base.

Look - you all make valid points about Islam and its need to rid itself of the militant, radical plague within it. But your continued insistance that its 100% the religion is not only inappropriate and off the mark, it serves zero to help change things. As I have said, 1.2 billion people are Muslim. They're not changing their faith to accomodate the whining from a few websites. There needs to be an increased awareness of the radicals and non-Muslims also need to step up and help the moderate Muslims by stimulating dialogue. That's it. No doomsday. No comparing one prophet to another. No threads of Islam bashing and other psychotic rants and soliloquy.

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 11:44 AM

Oh King, do you ever stop this drooling? 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. 7 million Muslims in the U.S.

Inflated, false numbers which have yet to be verified. You must realize by now that Islam doesn't seperate politics with their stuck in reverse religion. It is all wrapped up into one big shit ball, mate.

Posted by: Unbridled at July 28, 2005 11:56 AM

KT just never gives up. I hope Unbridled comes back for a "go 'round".

But about the poll:

1. Disagree
2. Disagree
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. Agree

DC nails it, yet again...

Posted by: Monty at July 28, 2005 11:57 AM

1. Disagree
Take Saudi Arabia for example.

2. Disagree
Take “Palestine” for example.

3. Agree
Qur’an 5.51

4. Agree
Take London for example.

5. Disagree
Qur’an, 2.193,4.095, 5.051, 9.005, 9.111, 8.017, 47.004. Which doesn’t even began to ascend Mohammads mountain of hate.

Posted by: Bar at July 28, 2005 12:01 PM

Trollerschwanz:

Its like Pelayos mustard seed:

The 'whining from a few websites' will become the battlecry of the West. Power to the bloggers!

We will get the ball rolling...

Internment and deportations, that's the agenda.

Won't be long now...

Posted by: Terminator at July 28, 2005 12:07 PM

Unbridled: "It is all wrapped up into one big shit ball, mate."

King: Oh, so that would explain the flies like you hovering around to see what they can sop up.

Monty: "KT just never gives up. I hope Unbridled comes back for a "go 'round"."

King: Oh, yes. I am sure "Unbridled" will tell me a thing or two in some Aussie backwater vernacular!
Thus far, we see in his argument that the "numbers are inflated and its wrapped into a shit ball". Articulate. The smarts are seeping from my monitor.

I shall await a serious discussion in the meantime...

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 12:11 PM

1. Disagree
2. Disagree
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. Agree, but the difference would not be sufficient to halt the process of Islamisation. We need to think of policies which will encourage Muslims to leave Islam, or to leave the West. (And this objective must be achieved entirely by non-violent means.)

Posted by: Doctor Phibes at July 28, 2005 12:20 PM

1. Agree or Disagree

Islam promotes peace and tolerance of all people, Muslim and non-Muslim, and promotes equal rights for both men and women.

No. The Koran is quite specific, that non-Muslims should not be given full rights in a Muslim society, nor are women treated equally.

2. Agree or Disagree

Muslims do not commit terrorist acts any more frequently than Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists.

The facts don't bear that out. At one time, there were other groups that committed terrorist acts (Irish and Italian come to mind). Today, the overwhelming majority are Muslim.

3. Agree or Disagree

Many Muslim immigrants living in Western nations have refused to integrate into the societies of their host nations.

Yes. I have some experience with this. I live in Cleveland, and the Muslim immigrants are MUCH less likely to integrate with our society. They ACTIVELY discourage their women, in particular, from integrating.

4. Agree or Disagree

Many Muslims living in Western nations are disrespectful to the citizens of their host countries.

Yes. I have, as a teacher, been treated with considerable disrespect in the classroom by Muslims (usually the boys).

5. Agree or Disagree

Muslims living in Western nations would benefit, and better assimilate into Western societies if the constant interference of sneaking, lying Islamic civil rights and advocacy organizations, radical Muslim street barkers, and fanatical Imams in the mosques were eliminated.

Oh, yes. The imans, advocacy organizations, and other autocrats of Muslim society actively discourage integration, and promote hatred of American values (which are often misrepresented by those fanatics).

Posted by: Linda F at July 28, 2005 12:23 PM

The key question is no. 2.

Just today al jazeera wrote:

"With recent attacks on London and then Egypt, in which dozens of innocent civilians lost their lives, it seems that the world is facing one threat, the threat of “terrorism”, it is not coming from certain religion or race, nor is it targeting certain religion or race."

How can anyone possibly say that terrorism is not coming from a certain religion? We often seem to think that this is all an anti-western crusade, but think of the philippines, the molucca islands (indonesia), nigeria, sudan, thailand, india. In fact I can't think of a single country with a significant moslem and non moslem population where there is not terrorism or war.

Posted by: restitutor orbis at July 28, 2005 12:25 PM

A poll has suggested that Americans are less hostile to Muslims and Islam. Okay, sounds reasonable. Hold on a sec, whats happening here, we have some Islamophobic death worshippers that want Americans to be MORE hostile to Muslims and Islam. I swear to God this sounds so surreal, you people make me laugh, you then wonder why no one takes you seriously, blah blah blah same old rubbish.

I found this poll rather amusing. Questions twisted to attack ALL Muslims, you read that right folks, ALL Muslims. That would include my whole family, my younger brother, a kid that has no idea there are a bunch of people here that wish to see him suffer as much hardship as possible. Even my mum, my old man, you people are sick and twisted, I'll tell you that.

I like this one:

"sneaking, lying Islamic civil rights and advocacy organizations, radical Muslim street barkers, and fanatical Imams in the mosques were eliminated."

Islamic civil rights and advocacy org. should be eliminated. I notice the word eliminated which suggests you are thinking about violent methods.

The Nazis on DW are on a roll. So we Muslims deserve no rights, we deserve no protection from racism and Islamophobia. We deserve no rights, we should have no one watching over us.

Absolutely ridiculous and at the same time hilarious. I don't know how you can look in the mirror, are you eyes always red?? Is your heart rate always high??? Do you have high blood pressure????

I swear to God I'm glad people like you have no say whatsoever in what happens in the World. I'm glad you exercise no influence. You are rejects, you have nothing but hate. I actually pity you lot.

By the way, mate you forgot something. Muslims should wear armbands that would distinguish them from other people. You know, if would make it alot easier for 'veiled racist' attacks.

Actually you could have camps, you know something like what the Nazis had for Jews. That could help.

Ha ha ha ha

Posted by: ia786 at July 28, 2005 12:29 PM

disagree, disagree, agree, agree, don't care.

The French have a saying, translated loosely:
If you pour a glass of fine wine into a barrel of sewage, you still have a barrel of sewage. If you pour a glass of sewage into a barrel of fine wine, you likewise have a barrel of sewage.

I often think about that when I hear about all the fine moderate muslims.

Posted by: texan at July 28, 2005 12:35 PM

King Tolerance, sticks and stones, shonky.

You have no argument, which is on par for you. You just won't face the facts, ostrich.

ia786

Do stop with your idiotic elementary school antics...."ha ha ha ha"..like the kid who pissed on the apple before he handed it to the teacher. Don't pity us, little shitter. You're the one who must always defend your false faith and your child molesting false prophet.

The only thing God ever said to Muhammad was:

"Hey, you in the cave, if you don't stop lying, raping, pillaging, killing and telling people you and I are friends", I'll cast you into the lake of fire myself. This of course, will be after my son, and only true prophet, Jesus, kicks your butt back down this mountain. I created you, and you turned out to be one of society's misfits anyway. And stop referring to me as Allah."

Muhammad didn't listen obviously.

IA and King seem to be made for each other. Stop trying to defend what cannot be defended and you'll be better for it, mates.

Posted by: Unbridled at July 28, 2005 12:45 PM

If there was a poll to behead ia666
yes/no
I guess I would poll YES

to the DC,s poll

1. Disagree
2. Disagree
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. Agree

Posted by: shiva at July 28, 2005 12:51 PM

To IA786:
"I found this poll rather amusing. Questions twisted to attack ALL Muslims, you read that right folks, ALL Muslims. That would include my whole family, my younger brother, a kid that has no idea there are a bunch of people here that wish to see him suffer as much hardship as possible. Even my mum, my old man, you people are sick and twisted, I'll tell you that."

In truth, I don't really believe what I write in DW. But after all the rubbish I have read in the al jazeera website (not to mention some others which are far more extreme) I quite enjoy writing some rubbish of my own.

I have absolutely nothing against you (let alone your brother and parents). On the contrary, I feel quite sorry for you reading some of the comments here.

Ironically enough, if you look at the pew poll the uk and the us are the countries with the smallest percentage of negative views toward muslims. I hope you don't understand german; they are much more anti muslim and have had a lot of experience in dealing with minorities...

Posted by: restitutor orbis at July 28, 2005 12:52 PM

ia???

And who might you think inspired the Nazis, given the Mufti of Jerusalem's close association with Adolf?

On top of paying jizya, being barred from erecting buildings higher than their Muslim neighbours' and other forms of discrimination and oppression, Dhimmis were also compelled by their kindly Muslim masters to wear clothing to distinguished them as dhimmis.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at July 28, 2005 12:53 PM

1. Disagree

Islam is only the religion of peace for Muslims. The Quran and Hadiths are both very clear that women are beneath men in all aspects of life on earth. And from what I have read, women do not have such a great deal in Paradise either.

2. Disagree

Muslims stating that they are following the tenets of Islam do commit more terrorist acts than any other group on the earth, be it religiously based or secular in nature.

3. Agree

This refusal to integrate into the societies of their host countries - and in many cases, the countries of birth - is relatively new. I would say in the past 20 years there has been a push for Muslims not to integrate.

Saudi money has certainly gotten more bang for their buck than I would like to admit! Why the USA government allows a foreign government (Saudi Arabia for example)to support financially so-called "civil rights" organizations, the establishment of mosques, etc religion in this country is beyond my comprehension.

I have known Muslims all my life and it is only in the past 10-15 years that I now routinely see women in "Islamic" dress including younger and younger girls (5, 6 year olds) in hijab.
Formerly I did not see a a female in hijab unless she was past puberty or out of high school...now it is when she begins kindergarten.

My understanding is that hijab reflects the girl crossing the threshold from being a non-sexual child to being recognized as a femaleready for sex.

4. Agree

There has been an increase in disrepect shown by Muslim men toward non-Muslim women at work. Non-muslim women are told to accept this due to cultural diversity. At work I have also overheard comments made by Muslims regarding how "dirty" the non-Muslims are and how they have to spend so much time doing wudu. This attitude is being seen in their children being very negative towards all non-Muslims.

5. Agree

Unfortunately terrorist supported organizations such as CAIR have been "mainstreamed" and dear Mr. Hooper has improved his kitman and takiyya.
I still do not understand how being Muslim is a race...and that if one profiles a Muslim, it is racial profiling. Islam is a religion (and in my opinion a death-cult) and is not a race.

If Muslims' first loyalty were to the country - even the infidel countries of the West - instead of the ummah and the restoration of caliphate - everyone would benefit.

Hate speech from anyone - including Imams and their followers - calling for the overthrow of the government to violence of non-Muslims should be prosecuted.

If such speech comes from a Mosque (or church/temple, etc), the mosque should lose its tax deferred status and be closed.

If any of the parties are non citizens, they and their families should be immediately deported. If they have received any governmental benefits -welfare, housing subsidy - these funds should be repaid.

The host country should not be feeding these people who are working for its demise.

Posted by: peri at July 28, 2005 12:53 PM

Ha ha ha...

Glad to see Undbridled did indeed come back for that "go 'round".

You tell 'em mate!

If Muslims spent half as much time rooting out the "bad guys" from their midst (chuckle chuckle) as they do getting offended at the suggestion, we'd be in the clear by now...

Posted by: Monty at July 28, 2005 12:56 PM

Ia, Saladin, Shirk, Desert Queen:

Mohammed had a lackey accompany him when he went to crap behind a sand dune. He told the lackey to fetch him pebbles, not bones, in order to scrape the crap from his anus, since the crap on the bones 'are the food of jinn'... Is that in the Koran or from the Sunnah?

For my upcoming trip to the Sahara I am looking for such a lackey, especially one like you or 1a who are so knowledgable and could entertain me ....

But then again, when I think about all the mental chips you guys carry on your shoulders and your obsession with race and tears streaming down your cheeks when you read the Koran...

No. I think I stay in Australia for now. But we have deserts and camels and goats here too, could I interest you?

By the way: What is this 'death-worshipping' thing all about?
Isn't it your heroes like OBL and clowns like Arafat who always crow about how much Muzzies "love death whereas infidels love life?"

Posted by: Terminator at July 28, 2005 12:59 PM

Shiva: "If there was a poll to behead ia666
yes/no I guess I would poll YES"

King: Hmmm. Violence and satanic reference. How superior!

Unbridled continues to write despite my request for something intelligible. Now his provincal rants sound like titles for book peddled by bad book shops:

Title #1: "You just won't face the facts, ostrich."

Title #2: "Don't pity us, little shitter."

Title #2 "The kid who pissed on the apple."

Title #4 "Hey, you in the cave!"

Title #5: "Jesus, kicks your butt back down this mountain" (This is his first attempt at being evangelical).

Keep 'em coming, what a laugh.

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 1:07 PM

1. Disagree

2. Disagree

3. Disagree

4. Disagree

5. Agree

Posted by: Cynic at July 28, 2005 1:08 PM

1. Disagree
The facts are Islam’s internal documents do not promote peace and tolerance at all.
2. Disagree
Statistics readily prove Muslims do commit more terrorist acts.
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. Agree

Posted by: f.g. at July 28, 2005 1:09 PM

I found this poll rather amusing. Questions twisted to attack ALL Muslims, you read that right folks, ALL Muslims. That would include my whole family, my younger brother, a kid that has no idea there are a bunch of people here that wish to see him suffer as much hardship as possible. Even my mum, my old man, you people are sick and twisted, I'll tell you that.

Posted by: ia786 at July 28, 2005 12:29 PM

Sick and twisted? I'm sure you think you're being a good little defender of Islam here, but if you want to discuss sick and twisted, look to what you're defending. In the 21st century, female genital mutilation, brothers killing sisters for dishonoring their family, Imams claiming that women who wear short dresses will get cancer, the Hijab, the Burkha, hanging a teenage female rape victim for having a "sharp tongue" because she told a judge he should pursue the rapist and not the victim.

You're standing in a glass house and throwing stones, IA. Wow, just had a vision of a Palestinian throwing a rock at Jewish worshippers right after I typed that....

Posted by: Prickzilla at July 28, 2005 1:15 PM

Prick: "if you want to discuss sick and twisted, look to what you're defending."

King: First and foremost, you need to evolve and understand the difference between "defending" and "distancing." I, for one, would never defend radical idiots. I do not think I ever read Ia defending them either.

Prick: "You're standing in a glass house and throwing stones"

King: I just had a vision of a Christian setting fire to a witch, or a Christian slaughtering a native South American unless they converted to Christianity, or a Christian lighting up a cross while lynching a Black man. Glass house, indeed!

Get over yourself, lets start separating the enemies from the peaceful, Prick.

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 1:24 PM

Unbridled continues to write despite my request for something intelligible.

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 01:07 PM

Hmmm, something intelligible?

Like this you mean?

King: Oh, so that would explain the flies like you hovering around to see what they can sop up.

Quite simply mate, what positive contribution does Islam bring to society?

Can you give a straight answer for once?

Posted by: Unbridled at July 28, 2005 1:24 PM

Get over yourself, lets start separating the enemies from the peaceful, Prick.

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 01:24 PM

King, "get over yourself" went out of style years ago, like your haircut.

You seem to have much trouble with the Salem witch trials, so do I. You have trouble with blacks being lynched, so do I.

Difference is, you have no condemnation for what Muslims are doing to this day. You don't appear to have a problem with their actions, and that, is truly bothersome.

You come off as some kind of compassionate, yet you only complain and drudge up things that Christians shamefully did to their fellow man. I can see that Christians have done some bad things, why don't you get off your horse, or out from under it, and acknowledge that Muslims to this day are committing atrocious actions inside their culture, not just with their terror acts?

Posted by: Prickzilla at July 28, 2005 1:35 PM

Look inside, and find your soul, King. Then honestly answer the five issues raised in this poll.

Posted by: Prickzilla at July 28, 2005 1:37 PM

"Sick and twisted? I'm sure you think you're being a good little defender of Islam here, but if you want to discuss sick and twisted, look to what you're defending. In the 21st century, female genital mutilation, brothers kill.............blah blah blah blah

zzzzzzzzzzzz.

"King: First and foremost, you need to evolve and understand the difference between "defending" and "distancing." I, for one, would never defend radical idiots. I do not think I ever read Ia defending them either."

I have never done that. I have made my opposition to Islamic radicals clear, The people here know that , why all the fuss??? Because the Islamophobic fascist Nazis here don't make distinctions between Muslims. They wish to use the actions of a few (Correct Muslims according to them, though that is irrelevant) to attack ALL Muslims from east to west.

They ignore the fact that more than a billion Muslims practice Islam peacefully.

"If there was a poll to behead ia666
yes/no
I guess I would poll YES"

Thanks for that, no uproar from the 'reasonable' Nazis on JW, I'm not surprised.

Posted by: ia786 at July 28, 2005 1:41 PM

Unbridled: "Can you give a straight answer for once?"

King: I reserve all of my efforts for those who deserve them. You've never demonstrated that you deserve anything from me other than ridicule. Now go back to writing your book titles, its what you're best at.

Prick: "Difference is, you have no condemnation for what Muslims are doing to this day."

King: Wrong! I have a lot of trouble for what SOME Muslims are doing to this day in the name of their religion. SOME! SOME! NOT ALL! I only bring up things like witch trials and lynching to show you what other atrocities have happened under the false guise of religion. Of coure the witch trials and lynchings did not speak for all Christians, but they did happen and did have religious implications.

Prick: "I can see that Christians have done some bad things, why don't you get off your horse, or out from under it, and acknowledge that Muslims to this day are committing atrocious actions inside their culture, not just with their terror acts?"

King: Ironically, our points are not too far apart, but our means certainly (and thankfully) are. Once again, SOME Muslims are atrocious, just as SOME Christians have been and still are. I'd go even further and argue that they are not really even Muslim, but imposters trying to cover their militant political agenda under the guise of religion. This is an age-old tactic, I see through it and do not use the broad brush of ignorance to get my point across. I also see history and how humans have made the HUGE mistake of lumping everyone from one religion under one umbrella. I refuse to follow that same path, I see the enemy and I see who is not the enemy. I have "looked into my soul" and this is the answer I have because of it.

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 1:54 PM

Islamophobic Nazis?

You haven't explained Islam's position on women and non-Muslims, you have only continued with your spin. For the record, I don't agree with you being beheaded, that's the Islamic way of doing things, not mine.

There are no Nazis here. No Islamophobes either. Facts are displayed, and you don't like them because they aren't favorable to the faith you've chosen.

We understand that not all Muslims are terrorist and murderers. We do understand that if you look at the conflicts around the world, Muslims are involved, and that terror attacks being carried out around the world are being carried out by Muslims. Are you disputing that?

Posted by: Prickzilla at July 28, 2005 2:00 PM

King, I'll invite you to Google the Council on American Islamic Relations.

Posted by: Prickzilla at July 28, 2005 2:05 PM

1 - disagree
2 - disagree
3 - agree
4 - agree
5 - disagree

Posted by: metaxy at July 28, 2005 2:12 PM

Are King Tolerance and ia786 one in the same?

Whether or not this is the case, this isn't a tiny minority of militant Muslims we're talking about. Surveys in the Middle East show that millions of Muslims support terrorist organizations. They are their armies.

All you need to do is look at the Koran to see that the problem is stemming from that book. There are what, 164 or so jihad verses in the Koran?

You two, or you, should better understand what's going on here. The people of London thought the Muslims that blew up the Tube were harmless, homegrown boys who were British first, Muslim second........And on 7-7-05, they learned the hard way that Allah comes first. You two, or you, are certainly in the minority here with your opinions, but like the article said, all comments on Islam are welcomed.

Posted by: Asylum inmate at July 28, 2005 2:13 PM

Prick: "We do understand that if you look at the conflicts around the world, Muslims are involved"

King: Two sides to every conflict. Who else is involved? US? UK? Russia? Again, political, not religious.

Prick: "...that terror attacks being carried out around the world are being carried out by Muslims."

King:

1. "The LTTE, also known as the Tamil Tigers, have used conventional, guerrilla, and terror tactics, including some 200 suicide bombings, in a bloody, two-decade-old civil war that has claimed more than 60,000 lives and displaced hundreds of thousands of Sri Lankans. The U.S. State Department lists the LTTE as a foreign terrorist organization."
http://cfrterrorism.org/groups/tamiltigers.html

2. Air India flight 182, 329 dead. Sikh radicals
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/airindia/

3. "According to the Belfast Independent Research Group, 3,285 people lost their lives as a direct result of this latest phase of the Anglo/Irish conflict. The vast majority of deaths occurred in the Six Northeastern Counties of British Occupied Ireland. The political violence in these six, small counties of Ireland with a million and one-half people has meant that 1 out of every 500 citizens has been killed. In American terms, it would be the equivalent of 500,000 deaths, 10 Viet Nams. This slaughter is a direct result of the politically motivated gerrymander of Ireland to solve the very short term needs of British political interests" http://www.inac.org/irishhistory/

What made this so easy, Prick, is that you only care what's happening on your doorstep. The 3 examples I cited above shows that tens of thousands of people have been killed in terrorism that had absolutely nothing to do with Islamic radicals. This has all happend in the past few decades.

1. Iraqi civilian deaths currently in Iraq:

>23,000 http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Where's your whining about that?

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 2:16 PM

When asked on her deathbed "What is the answer?" Gertrude Stein replied "What is the question?"

And D. C. Watson has given us a carefully-crafted quiz where what counts are not our answers, but the tellingness of the questions.

Posted by: Hugh at July 28, 2005 2:20 PM

Yo, King: How deep did you have to dig to find someone other than Muslims who are blowing shit up?

Since 9-11-01, there have been over 2500 Islamic terror attacks around the world.

You have no argument.

I find it hard to believe that you're crying a river over so many Iraqi civlians losing their lives. It is sad that this has had to happen, and I too feel that the Iraq War is not being handled right.

This gives no credibility to your comments, however. Prick's right, you're spinning in circles.

King: Two sides to every conflict. Who else is involved? US? UK? Russia? Again, political, not religious.

Only in Islam are the words "Allahu Akbar" political.....

Posted by: Asylum inmate at July 28, 2005 2:34 PM

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Posted by: USAFan at July 28, 2005 2:43 PM

Asylum: "Are King Tolerance and ia786 one in the same?"

King: Uh, no.

Asylum: "You two, or you, should better understand what's going on here."

King: Take your own advice, genious. You don't even know if you are talking to one or two people.

Asylum: "Yo, King: How deep did you have to dig to find someone other than Muslims who are blowing shit up?"

King: Yo, Asylum! I Googled it in 20 seconds.

Asylum: "Since 9-11-01, there have been over 2500 Islamic terror attacks around the world."

King: Not denying that. I also do not accept that this activity is supported by all Muslims.

Asylum: "I find it hard to believe that you're crying a river over so many Iraqi civlians losing their lives. "

King: Couldn't care less what you believe about me or not. I added the Iraqi deaths to show that innocent Arabs are paying the price, too, not just Westerners.

Asylum: "This gives no credibility to your comments, however. Prick's right, you're spinning in circles."

King: Your opinion, however, you've donw zero to articulate your position and why you think I am wrong. Agreeing with a guy whose moniker is "Prickzilla" just won't cut it, my friend.

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 2:54 PM

Example.....for King Uppity

in Pakistan, bin Laden's popularity has actually grown; 51% of Pakistanis express "some" or "a lot of" confidence in bin Laden.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8444

Jordan, where only 11% oppose suicide bombing in general (and by "general," obviously, they mean "Israel").

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8444

In China, half view Muslims unfavorably while only 20% hold a favorable opinion

in Jordan, support for the Al Qaeda leader has risen over the last two years from 55% to a current 60%, including 25% who say they have a lot of confidence in him.

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=248

King, I have my shovel out and ready for your next round of horseshit.

Posted by: Asylum inmate at July 28, 2005 3:11 PM

Belief in Islam is incompatable with the Western world. ("Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" while they support "servitude, submission and the pursuit of the permanently closed mind".)

I wish the Muslims would admit it and go back to Mecca. (And reform their way out of the 7th century.)

That answers all of the poll's questions.

Posted by: BigSleep at July 28, 2005 3:21 PM

Typo-

"...incompatible...with the Western world"

(always typing faster than my proofreading eye)

Posted by: BigSleep at July 28, 2005 3:26 PM

King Tolerance, I'm curious, are you active on any Islamic forums where violent Jihad is defended by some? Do you engage in debate (as vigorously as you do here) with the personalities that apologize or defend the Jihadist's actions? If so, I would love to see how you are confronting the people who've hi-jacked the good name of your religion? Any links?

Posted by: USAFan at July 28, 2005 3:26 PM

Asylum: "King, I have my shovel out and ready for your next round of horseshit."

King: Well, there's an open mind.

Now, are you going to toss stats. from odd websites, or are you going to substantiate YOUR position. So far, 51% of Pakistanis like Bin Laden and the Chinese feel unfavorable about Muslims, according to your hyperlinks.

I reject, 100%, radicalism of any sort. I do know there are radical militants out there who claim to be Muslims but I do not fault all of Islam for this. I do see radicalism and terrorism as political symptoms. I wish to help the Muslims I know transcend this scourge so that we all can live together safely and peacefully.

Shovel that horseshit, wil ya?

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 3:35 PM

I reject, 100%, radicalism of any sort. I do know there are radical militants out there who claim to be Muslims but I do not fault all of Islam for this.

What constitutes "all of Islam"?

Posted by: Viking5 at July 28, 2005 3:40 PM

Good question, Viking...

Posted by: Asylum inmate at July 28, 2005 3:42 PM

USA Fan: "King Tolerance, I'm curious, are you active on any Islamic forums where violent Jihad is defended by some?"

King: NO - many of those forums are secured for obvious reasons, or not in English. I have found little out there that I am willing to 'join.' If you happen to know of links that I can find such debate, I'd b happy to join you therein. Fair enough?

USA: "Do you engage in debate (as vigorously as you do here) with the personalities that apologize or defend the Jihadist's actions?"

King: I abhore, denounce, reject and despise violent jihad as much as you. I have and will engage in very vigorous debate with people who would have the balls to argue in favor of violent jihad. Not only do I see it as anti-Islamic, I see it as a cowardly act of desperation. This being said, I do see it as political, and realize that there are political motives behind their militant shit. Those who are in the mindset of being willing to be a suicide bomber or some other form of terrorist are in such a state of unreasonability, they are better off dead.

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 3:46 PM

Viking5: "What constitutes "all of Islam"?"

King: All Muslims.

I do not lump all Muslims into the same radical boat. I do not fault the religion for filling people's heads with radical ideas anymore than I fault the Bible for the radical behaviors of Christians.

People are individuals, their behaviors speak for them. A radical person speaks for him/herself, not all of the religion they claim to represent.

Got it Asylum?

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 3:49 PM

King, you appear unnerved a bit, mate.

This is your backwater friend from down under, since you, the tolerant one, likes to make fn of my way of speaking. If you think these good folks believe that Islam is a peaceful way of life, remember this, sheila....No one kills more Muslims than Muslims do.

I see the upper paddock has been drained empty again, and now you're wobbly.

Posted by: Unbridled at July 28, 2005 3:56 PM

As I recall, at the time of the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, Israeli peace activist Amos Oz observed that of about 28 conflicts then raging around the world, 25 of them involved Muslims on at least one if not both sides. That's really quite an achievement considering Muslims constitute about 20% of the world's population.

King:

You note three examples of sectarian-driven terror that didn't involve Muslims. Nobody here has said that only Muslims are guilty of such things, but in the wake of the Beslan massacre, an Arab journalist famously wrote that not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.

You talk about 23,000 deaths in Iraq following the invasion that have been attributed to the Coalition forces, but say nothing about the terrorism being waged against "collaborators" by largely foreign-born Sunni Islamists, doubtlessly receiving financial support from the Saudis who loathe the Shias in Iraq and within their own borders as they populate the most oil-rich eastern provinces.

You also ignore the massive Muslim-on-Muslim bloodshed that has taken place over the last 30 years or so from the Iran-Iraq war that claimed about 1 million lives, Saddam Hussein's own slaughter of about 300,000 non-Arab Sunni Iraqis, the extermination of 20,000 Syrian Islamists by the Alawite Baathist regime, the bloodshed between the Sunnis and Shias that has claimed thousands of lives in Pakistan plus the repression of Muslim minorities, and, of course, the genocide currently being perpetrated against the black African Muslims and others in Darfur being carried out by the Janjawid at the behest of the Muslim government in Khartoum. And I'm sure I've left out a few.

Sure, some of it is politics, but how much? Where does one begin and the other (religion) end. No, there's quite a heady dose of religious influence operating here, often being very cynically deployed, as it clearly is by the Saudis, just to entrench their own position.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at July 28, 2005 4:18 PM

from posting above:"People are individuals, their behaviors speak for them. A radical person speaks for him/herself, not all of the religion they claim to represent."

jsla: Using this kind of logic we'd still be trying to sort out the 'good' Nazis from the 'bad' Nazis, determining which ones were apt to kill from those who were simply supporters of those who kill -- Meanwhile, 65 years on, with tens of millions dead from their evil ideology, Nazi obfuscators such as 'kinktolerance" would be on websites like this attempting to assure everyone that:

Kink: "Nazis are individuals, their behaviors speak for them. A 'radical' Nazis speaks for him/herself, not all of the ideology they claim to represent. I wish you would believe me that the 'final solution' is an internal struggle, not an excuse to wage mass murder and genocide on all the non-Nazis out there. Please understand the vast majority of Nazis are peace loving and moderate -- It's hateful naziphobia from sites like this that prompt some to go over the edge and lash out at Nazi oppressors and racist bigots like the posters at this site..."

Posted by: jsla at July 28, 2005 4:19 PM

jsla: "Using this kind of logic we'd still be trying to sort out the 'good' Nazis from the 'bad'"

King: Nazism was a political party with a political agenda. It was a radical movement that did not and does not speak for all Germans.

Islam is a religion. Within this religion, there are those who are so radical, so gone, that they take arms to kill, going against the many, many passages in the Koran that command otherwise. Lumping all Muslims into the same radical boat is erroneous, and, ironically, tantamount to what the Nazis did. Not sure whay you cannot see this.

Your comparison is a straw man argument (how tired I am of lighting them on fire). So, too, is your misrepresentation of my position.

Posted by: KingTolerance at July 28, 2005 4:41 PM

King: I do not lump all Muslims into the same radical boat.

I agree that it would be unwise to blame all Muslims for the current situation.

I do not fault the religion for filling people's heads with radical ideas anymore than I fault the Bible for the radical behaviors of Christians.

Equivalently, you are saying that the Qur'an and Hadith do not support "radical behaviors" of Muslims, and neither does the Bible support "radical behaviors" of Christians.

If the Bible did support radical behavior, then it would be entirely sensible to blame the Bible for the radical behavior of Christians. Likewise with the Qur'an and Hadith.

This all hinges on the definition of "radical behavior". I'll define radicalism in Islam as support for Sharia law, with an optional side dish of violent jihad to bring that law into effect. The question is, how strongly is this agenda supported by the Islamic texts? I'm familiar with the radical arguments, so what would be really interesting would be to see a moderate theological case that argues that Islam is compatible with western democracy, and that Muslims should not seek to replace secular governments with Sharia theocracies. Thus far I've found these guys:

http://www.freemuslims.org/

But they appear to be a very small group, espousing a very different theology (one could even call it radical) from most Islamic sources I've seen. Perhaps you know of others?

Posted by: Viking5 at July 28, 2005 5:00 PM

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queenie; enough already. so you're not a jihadi, fine. you're also not much use for anything else.
you run the same tired obscurationist pablum and call it "burning straw men". your arguments don't lead to anything. you are just white noise.

Posted by: t-ham at July 28, 2005 5:00 PM

King of inTolerance

If Islam is so beautiful and peacful, then could you explain why
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Oman, Sudan, Ethiopia, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etcetera, etcetera, are all crap holes?

Posted by: Bar at July 28, 2005 5:24 PM

"Muslims living in Western nations would benefit, and better assimilate into Western societies if the constant interference of sneaking, lying Islamic civil rights and advocacy organizations, radical Muslim street barkers, and fanatical Imams in the mosques were eliminated."

Translation -- Muslims would be benefit by going back to their Islamic sh*t hole of origin, since there wouldn't be too many left over here if the above imploration were to come true -- Go back, every last one -- Oh, Muslim! you'd be far happier away from you misunderstanders, and we'd be THRILLED by your reunion with your beloved sh*t hole of origin!

Posted by: jsla at July 28, 2005 6:12 PM

Islam is an ideology which includes tinges of religion to attempt to offer it a legitimacy it wholly doesn't deserve... Islam amounts to little other than the delusional self justifying lies of a self serving murderer, child rapist, thief, and miscreant. As an ideology it is used to promulgate the authority of bogus leaders, it institutionalizes the mose heinous thought control practices and propaganda to justify its existence. Talk about a straw man argument:

"Islam is a religion?"

NAW. IT isn't.

By the way, a "straw man" argument is one which is set up deliberately in order to easily refute the argument. The comparison between Nazism and Islam is not easily refuted, my anti-semitic-bent-on-world-domination-willing-to-resort-to-any-means-in-order-to-further-your-agenda-of-eradicating-all-who-don't-agree-with-you friend.

I wish there was a simpler term for "anti-semitic-bent-on-world-domination-willing-to-resort-to-any-means-in-order-to-further-your-agenda-of-eradicating-all-who-don't-agree-with-you"

OH WAIT -- that would be "MUSLIM"

Posted by: jsla at July 28, 2005 6:37 PM

ia786

Did you post the links to the islamic sites, where you argue against the extremists in islam?

Posted by: DP111 at July 28, 2005 6:51 PM

"(Al-Halabi) says: ' If the Prophet wanted an available woman...' – in other words, an unmarried woman, a widow, or a single woman – '...he was allowed to enter her...' I don't like to use the word i-n-t-e-r-c-o-u-r-s-e. '...without her guardian and without witnesses...' Without witnesses. '...and against her will.' Against her will. 'If he desired a married woman, her husband had to divorce her for him. And if he desired a servant-girl, her master had to give her to him. He can even marry off the woman to whoever he wants, against her will.'"

And this is a man they believe, is an example for humanity for all time.

Posted by: DP111 at July 28, 2005 6:56 PM

Muhammad’s Dead Poets Society

Upon reading the original source documents of Islam—the Quran, hadith, biographies, and histories—one is struck by the casual and matter-of-fact way that Muhammad and his Muslims traffic in violence and bloodshed.

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/dead_poets.htm

Posted by: DP111 at July 28, 2005 7:06 PM

DC Watson:

I'm sorry I'm unable to respond to the poll, as I have stiil to ask the imam, how to fill it in. Apologies.

Posted by: DP111 at July 28, 2005 7:08 PM

KT:

Would you put the original muhammed in the radical and extreme camp or in the moderate camp?

Posted by: DP111 at July 28, 2005 7:14 PM

“Once again, SOME Muslims are atrocious, just as SOME Christians have been and still are. I'd go even further and argue that they are not really even Muslim, but imposters trying to cover their militant political agenda under the guise of religion. “ (King Tolerance@1:54)

An imposter, trying to cover a militant political agenda by disguising it as a religion best characterizes Islam’s very founder – Muhammad. Therefore, I’d say you have it reversed. The violent jihadis are most certainly Muslim in the true sense of the word. The moderates you wish to defend are not. So ISLAM is the problem – not all Muslims, as most people posting at this site recognize.

“I see the enemy and I see who is not the enemy” (King Toerance @ 1:54)

There lies the rub. Clue us in to how to recognize the “good Muslims” (the jihadis) from the “bad Muslims” (the ones whose behavior is antithetical to the prophet of Islam). We would all be most grateful.

“I do know there are radical militants out there who claim to be Muslims but I do not fault all of Islam for this.” (KT@3:35)

See the first point. I totally disagree with you there. I most certainly DO fault Islam. I do not, however, fault most “Muslims”, i.e. the nominal ones.

“I have and will engage in very vigorous debate with people who would have the balls to argue in favor of violent jihad. Not only do I see it as anti-Islamic…” (KT@3:46)

Bullshit. Are you saying that Muhammad WAS NOT ISLAMIC? Answer that one KT. I mean it – ANSWER THAT.

“Nazism was a political party with a political agenda.” (KT@4:41)

Are you trying to imply that Islam doesn’t have a political agenda?

Posted by: Caroline at July 28, 2005 8:25 PM

About this poll conducted by Pew

The unfavorable view of Islam rose 2% from 34% in July 2003 to 36% in July 2005, the highest it's been since October 2001.

The favorable view of Islam dropped 1% from 40% in July 2003 to 39% in July 2005.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=252

Posted by: Unbridled at July 28, 2005 9:51 PM

Islam is a religion. Within this religion, there are those who are so radical, so gone, that they take arms to kill, going against the many, many passages in the Koran that command otherwise. Lumping all Muslims into the same radical boat is erroneous, and, ironically, tantamount to what the Nazis did. Not sure whay you cannot see this.
Posted by KT

I'm not sure why you cannot see that "those who are so radical, so gone, that they take arms to kill", FOLLOWING TO THE LETTER THE MANY, MANY PASSAGES IN THE QUR'AN THAT COMMAND JIHAD, intolerance, rape, conquest, murder, slavery, torture, misogyny, pillage, plunder and world domination.

If you have read the Qur'an, surely you know that there are many, many more violent, savage, hideous "revelations" than docile, peaceful ones.
These satanic suras are quoted every day right here on this website! Read them and maybe you'll understand what motivates muslim delusions of superiority, perpetual jihad, blatant xenophobia, and hatred of the West/rest. The only PEACE in Islam is the PEACE that will come when Islam subjugates the world under Sharia. It is written in the Qur'an, THAT IS ISLAM!

Posted by: Susanp at July 29, 2005 12:08 AM

Agree on all issues.
Islam is not a religion,but a death cult.
I was very disappointed the other day when listening to the Hugh Hewitt radio show,he invited one of CAIR`s lying bastards and never really challenged any of his lies.

Posted by: adela at July 29, 2005 12:35 AM

KinTolerance, Carolines answer is what I think, and its taken me a long time to get to that stage, as a ex-multiculturist (for Muslims that is.)

What is a religion?

What is a nation state?

What is a political system?

What are laws created by man for man supposed to be for?

What is the difference between surrender to Allah and respecting individual rights and freedoms?

You come up with the Nazi crap again and again, its sad.

ia786, no point mate, you got the answer, people here are not against Muslims as a person (see individual) but are against them as controlled and directed by the death cult called Islam. Does that mean that we want to go down the same road that Islam does, mass killing etc. (India is the example) No. Will we go down that road, that depends if it becomes necessary to defend our freedom, I for one would if it is required like we did in the second world war.

Bearing in mind how evil Islam is, then you and your familly should leave Britain, it will get nasty, very nasty, so please leave Britain for your own safety, there is so much anger in Britain, I am surprised at how intense it is, I never expected it, its made worse that for 20 years a large number of people have been complaining about this issue and were ignored, they are really angry at the politicians and that makes the BNP so much more dangerous.

Posted by: Daffersd at July 29, 2005 7:29 AM

Amusing. KT doesn't mind "joining" the debate here, but islamic terrorist sites are right out, since - what? there's more good to do here, since all of the people who read JW are hacking people up, cutting off their heads and so forth?

Talk about only being concerned about things in your own backyard...

BTW "all of islam" does not equal "all muslims". Islam is merely an idea, albeit a very very bad one; muslims are human beings.

Imam Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at July 29, 2005 10:34 AM

King Trollerschwanz keeps chewing the cud for a few unsuspecting posters who are not yet up to his kitman & taqiyya propaganda. Are you being paid for being a nuisance poster here on JW/DW, Schwanz?

Insisting that Islam is a 'religion" rather than a violent, totalitarian ideology is not going to cut it, KT. Its not even worthy of debate. It is just your opinion and therefore worthless.

What counts is the public declarations of Mohammedan cult-leaders like Ayatollah Khomeini:

Here is a statement from the Ayatollah Khomeini. Do you think that this statement, from a leading Shi’a theologian, misstates Islamic theology, and is simply one man’s view, or do you think that it correctly expresses a view that can be easily derived from a reading of Qur’an and the hadith contained, for example, in the “sahih” collections of Bukhari and Muslim?

“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.

But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world….Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies[. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we sould surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Porphet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

Posted by: Terminator at July 29, 2005 1:20 PM

"In truth, I don't really believe what I write in DW. But after all the rubbish I have read in the al jazeera website (not to mention some others which are far more extreme) I quite enjoy writing some rubbish of my own."

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Perfectly understandable. I feel like that too.

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I have absolutely nothing against you (let alone your brother and parents). On the contrary, I feel quite sorry for you reading some of the comments here.

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Thank you for your sympathy.

There is a line, and SOME people here have crossed that line. Some of the people here are nothing but vile Nazis. Their has been pure poison and hatred posted here, I actually considered making a complaint.

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Ironically enough, if you look at the pew poll the uk and the us are the countries with the smallest percentage of negative views toward muslims. I hope you don't understand german; they are much more anti muslim and have had a lot of experience in dealing with minorities...

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Really, I never knew that. I actually studied German for a few years, I speak German, may I add, badly. Its alot easier than French though.

I've been to Germany once, I saw a few Turks there however there didn't seem to be any tension or trouble, the Muslims I saw spoke German and seemed to be normal German citizens. I really liked the people there, very warm and hospitable.

Oh Yeh, one more thing. This cracked me up, I can't understand why German people only cross roads when the lights turn red. I remember being there and waiting for the roads to clear, when there were no more cars coming we walked on to the road and the others (Germans) just stood there. There were no cars coming!!!!

Beautiful country though.

Posted by: ia786 at July 29, 2005 2:53 PM

1a, Shirki, Saladin,

Yeh, one more thing. This cracked me up, I can't understand why German people only cross roads when the lights turn red. I remember being there and waiting for the roads to clear, when there were no more cars coming we walked on to the road and the others (Germans) just stood there. There were no cars coming!!!!

Beautiful country though.

Posted by: ia786

You don't respect the law of the infidels? That may be the reason why 80 % of our Jails are filled with Muzzies, 1a.

Posted by: Terminator at July 29, 2005 4:12 PM

1. Islam promotes peace and tolerance of all people, Muslim and non-Muslim, and promotes equal rights for both men and women. DISAGREE

2. Muslims do not commit terrorist acts any more frequently than Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists. DISAGREE

3. Many Muslim immigrants living in Western nations have refused to integrate into the societies of their host nations. AGREE

4. Many Muslims living in Western nations are disrespectful to the citizens of their host countries. AGREE

5. Muslims living in Western nations would benefit, and better assimilate into Western societies if the constant interference of sneaking, lying Islamic civil rights and advocacy organizations, radical Muslim street barkers, and fanatical Imams in the mosques were eliminated. DISAGREE

Posted by: kissmyjewass at July 29, 2005 6:51 PM

Lovely idea, this.

1. Islam promotes peace and tolerance of all people, Muslim and non-Muslim, and promotes equal rights for both men and women/ Disagree-many lies stated within that sentence.

2. Muslims do not commit terrorist acts any more frequently than Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists/ Disagree-simply peruse the major websites of Asia Times, New York Times, Xinhua, Guardian, etc., etc., and see for yourself over the course of one year that this sentence also is exactly contrary to the truth.

3. Many Muslim immigrants living in Western nations have refused to integrate into the societies of their host nations/ Agreed-why should they? To do so is to lose their only perceived access to Heaven and eternal life with their ancestors. Not to mention the houris and other pleasures appertaining thereto.

4. Many Muslims living in Western nations are disrespectful to the citizens of their host countries/ Agreed-how else are they encouraged to behave by the Koran? The Hadiths? The local imam?

5. Muslims living in Western nations would benefit, and better assimilate into Western societies if the constant interference of sneaking, lying Islamic civil rights and advocacy organizations, radical Muslim street barkers, and fanatical Imams in the mosques were eliminated/ Disagreed-keep all them assholes in plain sight; it is good to be informed just who is doing what. The human race can no longer afford evil hateful ideologies such as Islam. Beyond the self-imploding nature of Islam is the fact that it teaches all who belong to it to go and conquer by the sword at best and by subterfuge as needed.

All of which leaves me to decide that there will be

Noislam4Me

Posted by: noislam4me at July 30, 2005 6:07 PM