"False images like these made us as Australian Muslims feel insecure by our society," he said.

Sheikh Abdul Salam Zaoud, -- Auburn,Australia

False Images is it? As if it never happened or someone made it up.

Sorry Sheikh Saoud; --but a picture is worth a thousand words, and actions speak louder than words.

I think it is more about false statements; By the way have you heard about the giant spiders that are being used in Iraq by the coalition troops?

Posted by: Mackie at August 14, 2005 9:24 AM

Jihad: Terrorism or a Muslim's Highest Aspiration.

And these are mutually exclusive, how?

Posted by: Charles Martel at August 14, 2005 9:54 AM

OK, so I'm confused. On August 5th, I read this article on JW:

"ONE of Britain's most radical Muslim converts, Abdur Raheem Green, will visit Australia later this month to lecture on the importance of jihad."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/007536.php

And now I'm reading this article on JW that says this:

"Sydney Muslims have held a public meeting in Auburn to combat the idea that Islam promotes a "holy war" against the West."

Soooo, my Muslim friends - which is it? How do y'all resolve what seems to me to be a rather impressive contradiction?

Posted by: David M. Hartzell at August 14, 2005 10:29 AM

Fourteen Points for the Defense of the United States against Islamic Jihad

I watch, with increasing frustration, the politically correct flailing of our government and public officials in the face of the Islamic threat.

I believe in civil liberties, but not in civil suicide.

Isalam does not deserve the protections offered enlightened religions under our constitution. First, Islam is a philosophy, not a race. So, attacks on profiling are meaningless. Second, its tenets with regard to non-believers are more akin to the vengeful and intolerant "theology" of Nazism than to the enlightened acceptance preached by Jews, Christians, Bhuddists, Hindus, Zoroastrians and others.

A good place to learn more about our enemies is at Jihad Watch. To witness how readily the West seems to subjugate its values to Islam, see their sister site at Dhimmi Watch. A reguar reading of these sites is a frightening look into the moral abyss that is Islam.

Any study of Islam reveals an ideology steeped in the philosophy of violent Jihad. Jihad does not mean some internal struggle of the soul towards enlightenment. Rather, it is clearly defined as the unshakable obligation of each and every Muslim to make war, physical war, against the non-believer, offering him three choices: acceptance of Islam; subjugation, and the payment of a poll tax, "jizya", as a second-class member of society; or death.

Is that clear enough? You can join them, be a virtual slave or DIE!

Although we often hear of moderate Muslims, what does this mean? It means we are speaking of muslims who know little of their fath. Jihad is as much a part of Islam as the Holy Trinity is a part of Catholicism.

In this country, as in other western nations, we are surrounded by enemies of the Republic: Wahabist chaplains in the military; the Council on Islamic-America relations (CAIR); Islamic terror front groups; ACLU apologists; who sabotage our attempts to protect oursleves and our children; Al-Qaeda cells; the loony left of the Democratic Party; treasonous members of Congress, including John Kerry, who undermine our war efforts. All of these enemies of America are the willing dupes of the purveyors of Jihad.

My patience has run out. I'm ready for extreme measures to defend our lives and property.

With the spectre of bomb blasts in London, and every likelihood that Muslims in this country are planning the same, or worse, in our streets, the time has come to accept that Islam is the problem.

Islam today is evil. There has been no reformation, no emergence of a strong movement for positive change to align Islam with the values of the West. To do so would destroy the essence of the faith. What good Muslim could accept that?

Those who call themselves Muslims are, if not guily, deserving of our suspicion.

My first preference would be the conquest and forced conversion to Christianity of the Muslim world. You might ask why I, as a Jew, suggest converting them to Christianity? Because I believe there are enough good Christians in this world to hold the bastards down while they learn to behave.

In the meantime, we need to defend our own shores against the Islamic hordes, many of whom are already here.

Therefore I make the following declaration:

Whereas:

• The United States is engaged in a war against Islamic terrorists conducting a Jihad against the whole of western civilization.
• These Islamic terrorists cannot function without Islamic state sponsorship in the form of funds, sanctuary and moral support.
• Jihad is an integral part of Islamic theology as evidenced by the text of the Koran, numerous Hadiths, interpretations and extensions of the Koran, as well as the repeated pronouncements of modern-day Islamic jurists and religious authorities.
• While Islam calls out for “peace” and “equality, these refer only to the peace of Islamic worldwide hegemony and equality among Muslims.
• No Islamic authority, in any western nation, has unconditionally condemned Islamic terrorism. All such pronouncements decry attacks against “innocents” but, according to Islamic law, no non-believer who has refused to accept Islam is innocent.
• Since any act in the furtherance of Islamic hegemony is allowed, no statements by Muslims should be unconditionally believed.
• We are now engaged in a war to the death against an Islamic culture under the domination of Jihadists and our war against Islamic terror is no less than a war against the fundamental s of Islam itself.
  

We Resolve:

That, in order to protect our nation, and our civilization, from the depredations of Islam, we should act according to the following principles:

1. A declaration that Islam is a political ideology and is not subject to the religious protections afforded under the Constitution of the United States.
2. Suspension of the security clearances of all Muslim employees of the federal government.
3. The ending of Muslim chaplain services in the US military, and throughout the federal government, including the prison system.
4. A declaration that any use of weapons of mass destruction against the United States by Islamic terrorists will be met by an immediate nuclear strike against Mecca and Medina.
5. In the event of a major Islamic terrorist attack within the United States, the internment of Muslim citizens for their own protection.
6. Indefinite imprisonment of any suspected member of any organization that engages in, supports or condones terrorism anywhere in the world.
7. Confiscation of all property of any convicted member of any organization that engages in, supports or condones Islamic terrorism anywhere in the world.
8. Ending all Muslim immigration into the United States, from any country.
9. Suspension of all immigration, regardless of religious affiliation, from any member state of the Arab League.
10. Loyalty oaths for all federal employees wherein they must declare their allegiance to the constitution of the United States of America and swear adherence to Judeo-Christian ethics.
11. Loyalty oaths for all state, county and municipal employees as a condition for receipt of federal funds.
12. Deportation of all Muslims who are not US citizens.
13. A Muslim, not a citizen of the United States, who violates US immigration law will be imprisoned indefinitely.
14. Withdrawal of the United States from the United Nations and the eviction of that organization from their headquarters in New York City.

Posted by: ConservativeVoice at August 14, 2005 11:50 AM

There's a segment coming on one of Australia's most popular current affairs shows ("Today Tonight") about Australian born Muslim youth (who are mostly Lebanese) who openly admit their disdain for Australia and Australian values and their refusal to integrate into Australian society.

I guess they can (rightly) expect more "backlash" after this one.

Posted by: spect8or at August 14, 2005 1:13 PM

Dear ConservativeVoice,

Its nice to have you around. But please remember that this is not an America specific website nor is US the only country affected by Jihad. Anyways your views fall prey to gross generalisation. Mr.Spencer here has clarified that he doesnt call all Muslims bad. Even though Muslims have inflicted a monstrous injustice on my family, I personally do NOT see all Muslims as demons. Some of your comments may even be offensive even to non-muslim Americans. Call to bomb Mecca isnt going to get us anywhere. First bomb the terror schools of POK run by ur MNNA. Please self censor your views as Mr.Spencer has threatened to remove commenting options from this website.

Thanx

Vikrant

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 14, 2005 1:30 PM

From the anti villification trial
After this Pastor Scot referred to a letter to the editor in the Maccabean of September
14, 2001, p.3:
A few years ago, just after arriving in Sydney from Cairo, the then Grand Mufti
of Australia was interviewed by a reporter from the Australian Jewish News.
The Mufti stated that the moment Australia becomes 51% Moslem, it will be a
Moslem country. The reporter asked him about the other 49% and he replied
that they would ‘convert or leave’.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at August 14, 2005 6:25 PM

KAOSKTRL: 'convert or leave', huh - that should be interesting. Aussie girls in hijabs - Muslims themselves would never allow this, who would they drool over then?

All the Aussies I know, including myself, would fight to the death before allowing this to happen. Then of course, I guess the Australian army would convert en masse.

These people live in a world of delusion.

Posted by: DianaC at August 14, 2005 10:32 PM

Backlash? What backlash? Here we go again, with the victimhood thing. Boo hoo hoo, you're so mean to us!

some media outlets were responsible for whipping up fear about Islam

All media outlets have been doing is report what Muslims are saying about Islam, jihad, us, etc., etc. They come right out and say some pretty loathesome things. The media has merely been reporting their words. And yes, it's created quite a stir because we don't like what's being said. Naturally, we find it provocative, hostile, confrontational, unAustralian. And yes, it's made many fear Islam. Fear what we've let into this country. Fear that we've been too tolerant and welcoming.

They obviously don't like the tone of the talkback callers and letters to the editors in the past month or so. They obviously don't like what many journos are writing in papers, even ones that have been pro-moderate Muslim in the past but are finding it difficult to believe in that anymore.

But too bad. It's ridiculous that they come right out and state hostile things and expect us to be okay with that. To just stupidly sit back and accept it. Hell, we don't like it, and we're saying so. And this to them is a 'backlash'. Such arrogance.

Posted by: feralee at August 14, 2005 10:50 PM

I too am tired of the politically correct squirmings of government and the silliness of the civil libertarians.
It is also a civil liberty for the vast majority of society to live in peace without their way of life being threatened by those who have come to this country to partake of that way of life.
If you don't like where you are my muslim friends go back to your country of origin and take your chances there.Don't try to make other countries come into line with your way of thinking.The western world would welcome you much more if you stopped your obnoxious behaviour and your expectation of being ever so special and precious where ever you go.
Your religion has to get organized into the 21st century as has Christianity instead of being stuck back in a blood thirsty and evil middle ages.
Christianity got over the Crusades but islam never did.

Posted by: marilyn at August 14, 2005 11:53 PM

"The United Muslim Women Association "

It really peeves me off how these big brave Muslim men always roll out the women when they want the properganda sympathy vote.

As for the “info-tainment” show, A Current Affair, Ray Martin only reports what he thinks will get him the ratings. After the Bali Bombings he was splattering images of Burka covered girls at an “Australian” Muslim school, flittering their eyelids and letting them say over and over,

"Islam is Peace, Islam is Peaceful. These bombings are against Islam"

All this with a picture of Mecca on the wall behind. If the Journalist, or even Ray Martin was worth their salt as a real Journalist they would have asked about what happens before Friday prayers at Mecca in "Chop Chop Square" to any local who is found to be an infidel. Or what would happen to any girl in a Bikini in that Peace Loving State, or even if she was to drive a car?!

That said - yes, A Current Affair is starting to wake up and smell the roses. Lets hope it stays that way.

As for Muslims feeling insecure. As a born and bred Australian infidel I feel insecure because:

1) My local politician (Liberal) supports "Multi Cultural Australia (even though the Liberal parties worst enemy - Gough Whitlam introduced this indiscriminate Multi culturalism - the Lib's suddenly support it because hey, not only do immigrants get all my tax dollars, we also give them the key to the front door - no questions asked - in the form of full voting and running for parliament rights)

2) My politicians - on ALL sides of the fence are happy to allow in Muslim immigration - with the exception of say some in the Family First Party.

3) In fighting "terror" my government, which ten years ago took away my right to own a firearm for self defence due to the actions of one boy (whom they never let speak on TV, but keep him all locked up –why? “Chop-a” Reed was allowed to write a book and be let loose on society– but Martin Bryant? He is kept all locked up in solitary), now wants me to have an all identifying bio-metric smart ID card. What's next? Are they going to implant me with a micro-chip? Talk about Big Brother. It seems the New World Order types are happy to use Islam to take away my rights. Why should the majority's rights be taken away to accommodate less than 5% of the (Muslim)population here in Australia? Not to mention all the billions of billions of my tax payer dollars spent to make me feel “secure”?? Soon we infidels will probably have to pay a "Muslim Levy" to accommodate this "Religion of Peace".

4) Every time I see a Muslim, I think of Beslin, Bali, 9/11, 7/7, The Kenya Bombings, the Turkish Synagogue bombings, the psycho suicide bombers who kill women, the elderly etc in Israel. And then they have the hide to say THEY feel insecure?? For crying out loud! The IRA in their entire history in the 20th Cent. killed 1500. The Muslims did double that in one morning in New York.

5) Anyone in Australia who dares critique the Koran (especially Christian Koranic experts) are hauled before the courts by official Islamic bodies, with the support of State and Federal Politicians. Where is my freedom of speech?? Do the politicians WANT chaos?

• Where are the Muslim mass rallies against terror?
• Where are the Muslim public and EXPLICIT condemnation of the killing of infidels?
• Where are the Muslim explanations of why those Dutch patriots were killed?
• Why don't the Muslims here who “love peace” have an official annual day of morning for those "fellow" Australians killed in Bali?
• Where is the Australian Muslim outrage at the early release of the Cleric who incited the Bali murder?
• Where was the Muslim outrage when an Aussie girl was packed rape Islam style because “she was Australian”?

If Muslims feel insecure, they can go back to Mecca, Saudi Arabia, which is an Islamic Utopia – its all Dar Al Islam. Full of “Peaceful People”. That way, both Muslim and Aussie infidel could feel secure.

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at August 15, 2005 12:04 AM

"As for the “info-tainment” show, A Current Affair, Ray Martin only reports what he thinks will get him the ratings."

But that's why it's encouraging that they're willing to run a show on anti-Australian Muslim attitudes. Anyone with half a brain knows these shows are just sensationalist fluff, but if they're brave enough to run a show like this, it shows the winds of public receptiveness to uncomfortable truths about Islam may be changing.

Posted by: spect8or at August 15, 2005 1:25 AM

"False images like these made us as Australian Muslims feel insecure by our society," he said.

Australian Muslim??? - isn't that an example of an oxymoron?

spect8or - I agree, but how long do you think it will last? Reuters, Ass. Press, BBC, are the major news outlets not only in the Middle east, but also worldwide.

Guess which all pervading belief has either permeated, or is a major stockholder in these companies? ANS Islam.

Years ago I met a Christian Journalist who worked in the Middle East for a "secular" organisation. He didn't last long, and ended up working for a Christian news agency. Why? He told me that journo's in the Middle East "write for their visa". In other words, if the Journo's don't report Islam friendly stuff (eg a terrorist isn't a terrorist but a "freedom fighter", report nothing but “dirt” on those ‘evil’ Jews etc) then the Journo would not get a visa into any other die hard Muslim country. They would be effectively black listed. And lets face it – if you watch the World News on SBS, most of the news is about countries affected by Islam.

I suppose that’s why I'm skeptical of the news media - especially the commercial stations and the ABC. Occasionally SBS has a good and relatively truthful expose on Islam (and often they don’t!). Ray Martin will pull his head in soon. Either the pressure will be applied to Channel Nine, or some Jihadi will threaten to muck up Ray's hair!

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at August 15, 2005 3:27 AM

"False images like these made us as Australian Muslims feel insecure by our society," he said.

Australian Muslim??? - isn't that an example of an oxymoron?

spect8or - I agree, but how long do you think it will last? Reuters, Ass. Press, BBC, are the major news outlets not only in the Middle east, but also worldwide.

Guess which all pervading belief has either permeated, or is a major stockholder in these companies? ANS Islam.

Years ago I met a Christian Journalist who worked in the Middle East for a "secular" organisation. He didn't last long, and ended up working for a Christian news agency. Why? He told me that journo's in the Middle East "write for their visa". In other words, if the Journo's don't report Islam friendly stuff (eg a terrorist isn't a terrorist but a "freedom fighter", report nothing but “dirt” on those ‘evil’ Jews etc) then the Journo would not get a visa into any other die hard Muslim country. They would be effectively black listed. And lets face it – if you watch the World News on SBS, most of the news is about countries affected by Islam.

I suppose that’s why I'm skeptical of the news media - especially the commercial stations and the ABC. Occasionally SBS has a good and relatively truthful expose on Islam (and often they don’t!). Ray Martin will pull his head in soon. Either the pressure will be applied to Channel Nine, or some Jihadi will threaten to muck up Ray's hair!

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at August 15, 2005 3:28 AM

Sorry - slow Internet - impatient me!

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at August 15, 2005 3:30 AM

i know a lot of muslims themselves are terrified of whats goin on. plenty of them, perhaps even most of them dont want to live in a muslim country and thats the reason theyre in the west mostly. one guy told me he would hate it if scotland became muslim cos then it would just finish up like pakistan (as if it wasnt bad enough the way it is!). conservative voice has completely lost the plot i think. asking people to take a loyalty oath is crazy. as a fundamentalist christian i wouldnt do myself - thank god i live in a country where its not a legal requirement

Posted by: freddiefreeloader at August 15, 2005 5:45 AM

'The United Muslim Women Association says it organised the forum, "Jihad: Terrorism or a Muslim's Highest Aspiration?" because Australian Muslims are being hit by a backlash as a result of the London bombings'
Have any of these islamofascists been gang raped by Australians?
Have they been bashed by gangs of Aussies?
Have any Aussie priests been preaching hate on the pulpit in churches?
Have any suicide bomber Aussies blown up any islamofascist in Australia or abroad?
Have any Aussies flown planes into any islamofascist building(s)?
Have any Aussies murdered islamofascist children in their school?
Have any suicide bomber Aussie killed any islamofascist in a club?
Have any Aussie blown up any islamofascist trains?
How many Aussies have hijacked planes?
I could go on forever but I think you get my point.
So graffiti on mosque walls,broken windows and stares are backlash.They truly are a bunch of spoiled children aren't they.
To all muslims in Australia,YOU ARE NOT WELCOME so go back to your 7th century roots.
I tire of your whinging and whining.
You are a minority you say,so what, so am I(Aboriginal) but I get on with life and I copped a lot of racism in my youth but I don't go around hating everyone for what happened 200 years ago.
Grow up you blowhards.

Posted by: D.T. at August 15, 2005 6:00 AM

'Backlash' seems to have usurped 'Islamophobia' as the current word (wail?) of choice in the Muslim lexicon of victimhood. Here's a new one (on me) from Islam Online.

(drumroll)

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you - "Pakistanophobia"

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2005-08/14/article05.shtml

Posted by: Effractor at August 15, 2005 11:06 AM

Interesting comments about journalism in the ME, 3rdtime.

However, you will still have a double punishment for your posting sins.

And allah knows Bo, and Bo knows Diddley.

Imam Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at August 15, 2005 11:36 PM

or some Jihadi will threaten to muck up Ray's hair!

lol! Gee, that jihadi will have to work real hard to muck up that helmet hair!

Posted by: feralee at August 16, 2005 1:57 AM