I'm truly amazed at the poor quality of English in Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrant communities here in stark contrast with India where almost 200 million ppl can speak in English... How come these imams get their work permits & visas when they dont speak English?

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 20, 2005 10:40 AM

This sweeping back the tide stuff will not be nearly enough. An entirely different atttitude needs to be adopted. That attitude should rest on certain realizations:

1) Unlike all other groups of immigrants -- Hindus from India, Buddhists from Vietnam, ancestor-worshippers or Confucians from China -- the Muslims alone present a threat to the indigenous Infidels. And they cannot be "integrated" into society, for even if they are forced to master English and forced to associate with non-Muslims in school, it is Islam itself that causes them to regard with hostility and hatred their Infidel neighbors, and to believe that they are entitled, ultimately, to change the laws and customs of England, so that they will conform to Islam, which "must dominate and is not to be dominated." The refusal to admit that there is not a general problem with immigrants, but only with one particular kind of immigrant, and then to seek the reasons in what those immigrants believe, and to stop beating around the bush about what is contained in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, maddens. It is unnecessary; ultiamtely it will have to be abandoned as a policy. Why wait?

2) The problem with Muslim immigrants (or native-born Muslims, either the children of immigrants or those who have succumbed to Da'wa as an answer to their own confusion, or psychic need for Total Regulation, Total Explanation of the Universe, and even for an Ummah, a Community) is not merely a problem in the United Kingdom, so that one might think just possibly it reflects something in the British character, the British system.

Not at all. Every single Infidel country -- France, Italy, Holland, Belgium, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, and all the rest -- are now suffering, in a hundred ways, from their own populations of Muslims. They have tried different tacks; each country has been slightly different -- Holland has been different from Italy, Italy from Spain, and so on. The Muslims have been primarily Pakistani in England, Turks and Moroccans in Germany, Moroccans in Spain, Algerians (and Moroccans and Tunisians) in France, Moroccans and Turks in Holland with some Indonesians for good measure, Somalis and Egyptians and Libyans in Italy, and so on.

But no matter what country is involved, what its benefits, what branch of Christianity or version of post-Christianity prevails, whatever the countries of origin of the largest communities of Muslims, whatever the attempts or failed attempts to integrate these Muslim populations, the result has always been the same.

And that is because the European countries do not realize that the cause of their problem is nothing they do, and nothing they can change. The cause of their problem is Islam itself, what it teaches, what it encourages, and what is always there, even for the "moderate" or unobservant Muslim to return to, should he ever decide to become, for any number of reasons, less "moderate" and revert to "immoderate" Islam.

However one wishes to deny this reality, the following statement is truthful, and holds for all of the Infidel countires, and always will hold:

The large-scale presence of Muslims within the lands of the Infidels makes the lives of those Infidels far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically insecure than they would be without such a large-scale presence.

Once one has read, understood, and thoroughly assimilated the meaning of that sentence, one can begin to ponder the implications, for the present, and for the future.

Posted by: Hugh at August 20, 2005 10:44 AM

A pity it took 52 people blown to shreds before the p.c. U.K. grasped that the Islami-cysts know what they want, and mean what they say.

Those who call for your overthrow and annihilation are usually serious.

(You'da thunk that the lesson of the 1930's, as the Brits tried to laugh off Hitler- and failed, would have left some historical sense in their subconscious, but I guess blood in the streets is the only way to wake the sleepwalking majority from their wishful multi-cultural holidaze.)

I agree with Hugh:

One-Way catapults to Mecca, ASAP.

Posted by: BigSleep at August 20, 2005 11:32 AM

"A FRESH wave of arrests of Islamic radicals is expected next week when Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, introduces tough new immigration rules to deal with recently-arrived preachers of hate."

Good news!!!

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 12:18 PM

"I'm truly amazed at the poor quality of English in Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrant communities (ha ha ha)here in stark contrast with India where almost 200 million ppl can speak in English..."

Correction, bad English ha ha ha.

Have you heard those guys and gals in those call centres, it’s bloody hilarious. I remember during the floods in India, a lot of them had problems, the excuses they make are really sad. It hurts me to see Indian people try so hard to be 'White'. They adopt 'White' names and it is just really, really sad.

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 12:22 PM

"the Muslims alone present a threat to the indigenous Infidels. And they cannot be "integrated" into society, for even if they are forced to master English and forced to associate with non-Muslims in school, it is Islam itself that causes them to regard with hostility and hatred their.........."

"Not at all. Every single Infidel country -- France, Italy, Holland, Belgium, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, and all the rest -- are now suffering, in a hundred ways, from their own populations of Muslims."

A hundred ways?

What is that about Hugh???

Tell me.

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 12:31 PM

From the malignant bigot's post above:

"It hurts me to see Indian people try so hard to be 'White'. They adopt 'White' names and it is just really, really sad."

That's a helluva lot better than adopting an Arabized name and surrendering yourself over to the pig god allah any day -- Wouldn't you rather aspire to the 'white' culture of science, freedom of speech, invention, first world currencies and culture rather than the truly god-forsaken nihilism, backwardness, ignorance, bigotry, and hatred of Islam? It's simply no contest you silly fool -- the culture you disparage so ineffectually is obviously the winning one, the culture YOU have chosen and refuse to leave ia786 is truly the culture of the all time LOSERS.... (i.e. Muslims, in case you can't figure it out!)

Posted by: jsla at August 20, 2005 12:37 PM

ia000;

easy, if you have 100 muslims, you suffer in 100 ways.

and it hurt's me so to see dhimmis try so hard to show muslims as civilized people. The whole situation reminds me of the movie "Mendicino Man", where they uncover a neanderthal frozen in ice, thaw him out, and then the movie deals with him struggling in a modern world, clueless in his primitivity. While I think the analogy is appropriate, unfortunately, todays muslims are not funny like the movie, but tragically dangerous.

Posted by: t-ham at August 20, 2005 12:50 PM

I have a great visual of bloated, robed imams, lying on the luggage conveyorbelt at an airport, popping one after another through the portal and proceeding down to the luggage carousel, going round and round, waiting to be claimed.

Posted by: t-ham at August 20, 2005 12:56 PM

Come on Jsla, I have seem to upset you. What’s the problem? Come on, be of good cheer old chap.

""It hurts me to see Indian people try so hard to be 'White'. They adopt 'White' names and it is just really, really sad."

In direct response.

“That's a helluva lot better than adopting an Arabized name and surrendering yourself over to the pig god allah any day"

So adopting 'White' names and pretending to be British is better that adopting an Arabized name and surrendering yourself over to a pig god. That doesn't sound right, why should brown people have to pretend to be White, why can't the Indian people be themselves. Why not?

Just imagine how an Indian must feel, s/he has to throw away all sense of honour and pride just so that a few fat cats in the West can save some money. Adopt a fake name and be a slave to a someone superior, I don't know how they do it, well again probably the only good jobs they can get.

"Wouldn't you rather aspire to the 'white' culture of science, freedom of speech, invention, first world currencies and culture rather than the truly god-forsaken nihilism, backwardness, ignorance, bigotry, and hatred of Islam?"

I think you are being rude. Please calm down. I don't really like talking to White supremacists that try to belittle all other cultures and people. Please calm down.

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 12:59 PM

"ia000;

easy, if you have 100 muslims, you suffer in 100 ways."

No.

"Not at all. Every single Infidel country -- France, Italy, Holland, Belgium, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, and all the rest -- are now suffering, in a hundred ways, from their own populations of Muslims."

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 1:01 PM

White supremacy? Who's talking about white supremacy other than you, you silly twit. I'm talking about the supremacy of Western culture over Islamic culture -- it's axiomatic, my dear chap -- Do you see ANY poplulation inflow from the West into Islam? Let the statistics speak for themselves!

No -- it's the hopeless Muslims who are desperate to leave their respective Islamic SH*T HOLES to come into the West. What is sad for us AND them is their inability to leave behind the backwardness and ignorance of Islam -- Surely you can see that Islam has become the embarrassment of humanity -- the stone aged primitivism of the Arabs continues to perpetuate itself in the face of all the evidence of its COMPLETE and ABJECT failure as a culture, a religion, a political system, and an economic system. No need to belittle something which on it's face is so pathetic and horrible!

Just stating facts, old chap!

Posted by: jsla at August 20, 2005 1:20 PM

These imams come into the UK under "religious" work visas. Treating Islam as a "religion" is like considering cancer as a cure for old age. Islam is the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing. No other "religion" on the planet exhorts its followers to saw off the heads of non-believers. It is fundamentally incompatible with every other culture on Earth. Its leaders are professional liars (masters of taqiyyah and kitman) and spew nothing but hatred and incitement to mass murder.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at August 20, 2005 1:31 PM

Salam ia786,

Why do you turn this into a "race" thing? You know that we are discussing the ideological content of Islam, which has nothing to do with ethnicity.

Posted by: Jan Vink at August 20, 2005 1:56 PM

"White supremacy? Who's talking about white supremacy other than you, you silly twit."

"I'm talking about the supremacy of Western culture over Islamic culture -- it's axiomatic"

It doesn't just stop there does it? What about other cultures?

Earlier on DW.

""Wouldn't you rather aspire to the 'white' culture of science, freedom of speech, invention, first world currencies and culture rather than the truly god-forsaken nihilism, backwardness, ignorance, bigotry, and hatred of Islam?""

I can really sense you saying the same thing about other cultures. You white supremacist.

Jsla, please calm down. Your rude and inconsiderate outbursts are likely to affect our online relationship.

Please calm down.

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 1:56 PM

"Salam ia786,

Why do you turn this into a "race" thing? You know that we are discussing the ideological content of Islam, which has nothing to do with ethnicity."

Hi there!!!

Yes, you are right however things are not that simple. Right, Islam is a universal message that knows no colour or race. However you have to realise that most Muslims are brown or Black, they are not white. Now alot of the people here have absolutely no understanding or are just plain silly.

They seem to think all Muslims are by the book and everything is oh so simple, Muslims on one side and everyone else on the other.

Now after 9/11 there were alot of problems were I lived. Alot of BNP people came down and there were alot of fights. In my area it was not about Muslim versus the Whites, it was Brown and Black against the Whites. We had Blacks help Pakistanis, we had Pakistanis coming down from up north. It is not about Muslim versus everyone else, when it comes down to the crunch its about White versus everyone else with a dark face. I have many Sikh and Hindu friends. Now I don't have a beard, if I was with my mates there would be no way to tell who is Muslim, now even with my Non-Muslim brown friends we have faced problems with white fanatics, it is called veiled racism. Alot of the people here support these sort of things and have no understanding, alot of it is to do with the colour of ones skin.

Now this war on terror, is about gathering the Worlds resources. Now it just so happens that Muslims live in lands that have alot of oil. Now these Arab countries have alot of oil and therefore there are alot of problems and alot of tension. What if Arabs lived in China and Chinese people lived in Arabia (lets say Israel moved to China ?!?!), what would happen. The US would be at the Chinese.

Its nothing to do with Islam, nothing. The fat cats in Washington are not stupid, they are doing what they have to do, its the Islamophobes that would love to hijack this and like to have Muslims and Islam dealt with, that is not the issue.

Now if Muslims and Islam, never did exist, it would be China, then India. There are Islamophobes that wish to hijack this war on terror, they have been unsuccessful and will always be like that. The US will never, never isolate a Billion Muslims, they don't need to.

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 2:36 PM

It is not about Muslim versus everyone else, when it comes down to the crunch its about White versus everyone else with a dark face.

I have Hindu and Sikh friends who tell me all about what Pakistanis say about them and their religion - about the hatred that Muslims have for Sikhs and Hindus - about the fights between Sikh lads and Pakistanis - about the University campuses where Indian students are intimidated by Muslim louts - I have Indian friends who have taught me half the stuff I know about Islam, its attitude and history. The things they say about Islam - oh boy.

Posted by: Zico at August 20, 2005 3:13 PM

Not to mention black Christians, from the West Indies but especially from Africa. Nigerians can tell a tale or two.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at August 20, 2005 5:28 PM

"I have Hindu and Sikh friends who tell me all about what Pakistanis say about them and their religion - about the hatred that Muslims have for Sikhs and Hindus"

They tell you what Pakistanis say about them? So a Pakistani lad says something to them they quickly run report these incidents to Inspector Zico, is that how it works?

"about the fights between Sikh lads and Pakistanis"

Yeh you got that right, Hindus are often too scared to fight.

"I have Indian friends who have taught me half the stuff I know about Islam, its attitude and history. The things they say about Islam - oh boy."

Oh Boy?!?!

You think you can surprise me, hey Zico, I've live through it, I know what you are talking about and let me tell you, you don't know half of it.

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 6:24 PM

Shirk:

You never had anything but the race argument.

But this is about Islam, Jihad, about the hatred and the razor in your shoe: Because you are following the perverted teachings of a carawan-raiding bandit and child molester.

And if you don't like your color, why don't you do a Michael Jackson?

Posted by: Terminator at August 20, 2005 6:34 PM

ia, it is you who is trying to divide people along color lines. The last few posts of yours have been telling us how evil white people are. You hope to cause the Hindu and Sikh people who come here to become suspicious of whites. Divide and conquer...we are on to you.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at August 20, 2005 7:21 PM

ia786

Naaah sap I know more than half of it I know it all! See, they are my mates they tell me all these little things and mostly they laugh at you ;-)

So your line about white people versus all-none white-folk-and-it-just-so-happens-to-be-Islam at the moment was a pile of rubbish - in fact, Sikhs and Hindus are in command of the low down on Islam, Jihad and all the rest of the farce - so dont try and draw them into your gang - they are on the frontline and enjoying your contortions and embarassments.

Posted by: Zico at August 20, 2005 7:25 PM

You never had anything but the race argument.

But this is about Islam, Jihad

Indeed - Hindus and Sikhs are almost the same race as Pakistani Muslims - same race but different religion, ideology, culture, attitude, world view - and it is all reflected in the figures - Pakistani Muslims are the largest ethnic group in prison, highest in unemployment figures, high in welfare dependancy, have the worst school and exam results in Britain, whereas Indians are near the top in employment levels, proportion of University graduates, rates of business creation & entrepeneurialism, self-employment, rate of unemployment lower than the national average - all of this despite starting at the same level as Pakistanis in Britain 40 years ago - the contrast between the two communities could not be more stark - now, whats the difference? Take a guess...

Yeah, this nonsense of ia786 just does not wash - Indians have done well and contribute to British society despite facing obstacles and occasional racism - they just dont have a chip on their shoulder and their heads dont swell with hatred and conspiracy theories and paranoia.

They are a living refutation of every lie and self pitying story and excuse and denial that Pakistani Muslims make for their dire state and ideology.

I believe Indians do well in America too.

Posted by: Zico at August 20, 2005 7:39 PM

"ia, it is you who is trying to divide people along color lines. The last few posts of yours have been telling us how evil white people are."

No. I have not said that, you are taking my points completely the wrong way.

"You hope to cause the Hindu and Sikh people who come here to become suspicious of whites. Divide and conquer...we are on to you."

No. Carolyn, I have been on here for quite a while now, I have nothing to hide. I have said nothing against White folk, you are wrong. I have no argument against White people. It is the system of White supremacy imposed by racist fat cats on the rest of the World that I oppose.

Now there are huge differences between Christians, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs, I really can't be bothered to go through them. If you want to believe you are on the same platform, that is up to you. So be it.

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 9:23 PM

"Naaah sap I know more than half of it I know it all! See, they are my mates they tell me all these little things and mostly they laugh at you ;-)"

Really!!! Thats news to me Inspector Zico!!! ha ha

"So your line about white people versus all-none white-folk-and-it-just-so-happens-to-be-Islam at the moment was a pile of rubbish - in fact, Sikhs and Hindus are in command of the low down on Islam, Jihad and all the rest of the farce - so dont try and draw them into your gang - they are on the frontline and enjoying your contortions and embarassments."

You don't know much Mr Zico. I could tell you so many things but to be frank, I can't be bothered.

You can believe that, I know what I say won't change your mind, well that is your burden.

"Jihad and all the rest of the farce - so dont try and draw them into your gang "

Ha ha ha

Zico, things are not always so Black and White, things are sometimes alot more complicated.

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 9:48 PM

"Indeed - Hindus and Sikhs are almost the same race as Pakistani Muslims - same race but different religion, ideology, culture, attitude, world view - and it is all reflected in the figures - Pakistani Muslims are the largest ethnic group in prison, highest in unemployment figures, high in welfare dependancy, have the worst school and exam results in Britain, whereas Indians are near the top in employment levels, proportion of University graduates, rates of business creation & entrepeneurialism, self-employment, rate of unemployment lower than the national average - all of this despite starting at the same level as Pakistanis in Britain 40 years ago - the contrast between the two communities could not be more stark - now, whats the difference? Take a guess..."

Yes. However none of these things apply to my family.

My old man came here with nothing, 16 yrs old and they had nothing. We started from scratch, the British gave us a chance, above that, God had given us this honour and I swear I will not waste it. I am well educated and am at university. My older brother is also at university and we are both laying the smack down. Now my family back home, all praise be to God have benefited and are more content. I would have just been a village boy, God has granted my this great honour, I appreciate it with all my heart and always thank God.

"They are a living refutation of every lie and self pitying story and excuse and denial that Pakistani Muslims make for their dire state and ideology."

ha ha ha........

Posted by: ia786 at August 20, 2005 10:00 PM

Quotes from ia420's postings:

Yeh you got that right, Hindus are often too scared to fight.

No we arent scared to fight, its jus tat we don stoop to ur lowly barbaric mentality.

Just imagine how an Indian must feel, s/he has to throw away all sense of honour and pride just so that a few fat cats in the West can save some money. Adopt a fake name and be a slave to a someone superior, I don't know how they do it, well again probably the only good jobs they can get.

Wha? Surely its better then being a terrorist like ur co-religionists. As for the "good jobs" part, most of the ppl at the call centres are College students working part time. I kno Pakis in Britain who have no qualms abt menial jobs while they culd have done better in their own cntry.

Indeed - Hindus and Sikhs are almost the same race as Pakistani Muslims - same race

Omg, a landmark movement, I actually found a Paki who'd say this!

As for other comments they're a load of ds.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 21, 2005 12:02 AM

Shirk, 1a, Salabin, 186, shurki, mama-a-sole:

"No. Carolyn, I have been on here for quite a while now, I have nothing to hide. I have said nothing against White folk, you are wrong. I have no argument against White people. It is the system of White supremacy imposed by racist fat cats on the rest of the World that I oppose."

Shirk: We've been around for sometime now and we've been watching you.

The race-card is a big chip on your shoulder, get over it!

And the Islamic crap is having a serious impact on your mental health. (Not that anything ever penetrated your coffee-filter.)
But why post here if you have nothing to say?

I accept that a Mohammedan blows much better with screws than without... different strokes for different folks...

Get a checkup, Shirk!

This morning I saw the 'Mahdi' again, Shirk.

Then I flushed... and he was gone!

Still having homoerotic wet dreams about your profit?

Posted by: Terminator at August 21, 2005 7:49 AM

"No we arent scared to fight, its jus tat we don stoop to ur lowly barbaric mentality."

Yeh your right, you only fight when you are in groups larger than 100, that is when you burn, loot and rape Muslims, Sikhs and Christians, only in India, the land where a cow is considered to be God.

Tell me, Hindus are considered real 'dhimmis' by your friends here, why? Bollywood and the Indian underground is dominated by Muslims. In England you hear about Muslims and Sikhs making their stand, never the Hindus. There is never a hindu crew, never. Theirs a Muslim crew, a Sikh crew, never a Hindu crew. I have spoken to Hindus, they would like to fight, thing is they are too scared. The fact that alot of them are physically smaller doesn't help.

How tall are you???

"Wha? Surely its better then being a terrorist like ur co-religionists."

So that’s how you see it. Either be a terrorist or pretend to be White. No, I don't want anything to do with your deranged view of the World.

"As for the "good jobs" part, most of the ppl at the call centres are College students working part time."

Really, that’s interesting. Did you enjoy your time at those call centres. You are like guinea pigs, you know that. Oh yeh, improve on your English, that accent can become really irritating after a while.

"I kno Pakis in Britain who have no qualms abt menial jobs while they culd have done better in their own cntry."

And........…………….so what?

Please, put your bottle of Cow's urine to one side, Tell me, have you ever said the things you say here to a Muslims face, huh?

"Indeed - Hindus and Sikhs are almost the same race as Pakistani Muslims - same race

Omg, a landmark movement, I actually found a Paki who'd say this!"

The 'Paki' that said this was someone called Zico.

"As for other comments they're a load of ds."

Ds……..????

Posted by: ia786 at August 21, 2005 8:33 AM

"And the Islamic crap is having a serious impact on your mental health. (Not that anything ever penetrated your coffee-filter.)"

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

"I accept that a Mohammedan blows much better with screws than without... different strokes for different folks...

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

"Get a checkup, Shirk!"

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

What the hell are you talking about?!?!

Posted by: ia786 at August 21, 2005 8:36 AM

ia786

You may well come from a family that has done well for itself - I congratulate you for it - but the fact remains that Pakistani Muslims are the most backward community in Britain, they are filling up the prisons, have high rates of unemployment, academic failure, and are now starting to suicide-bomb inside Britain and abroad.

In contrast, Indians who also suffer racism and prejudice are near the top in terms of employment, business, University, and all other social indicators.

So why are Indians doing well in Britain while Pakistani Muslims are going backwards?

It is a question worth asking - my Indian friends give me the politically incorrect answers.

Posted by: Zico at August 21, 2005 9:53 AM

"You may well come from a family that has done well for itself - I congratulate you for it"

Thank you.

"but the fact remains that Pakistani Muslims are the most backward community in Britain, they are filling up the prisons, have high rates of unemployment, academic failure"

Can't argue with you there.

"and are now starting to suicide-bomb inside Britain and abroad."

Don't start making silly generalisations, they don't mean anything.

"In contrast, Indians who also suffer racism and prejudice are near the top in terms of employment, business, University, and all other social indicators."

That’s good for them and I really do feel happy for them. I love to see people making the most out of their lives.

"So why are Indians doing well in Britain while Pakistani Muslims are going backwards?"

Well its rather complicated. A lot of it is to do with attitudes that stem from ignorance.

Posted by: ia786 at August 21, 2005 12:14 PM

Facts recently published by the Government show that the unemployment rate among second generation Bangladeshis is 63%. Their religion and their unwillingness to assimilate has a lot to do with that figure. It's not "racist" to point out that a lot of malcontents idling away on the dole listening to the rantings of the likes of Abu Hamza (as were the failed bombers in London) is a ticking time-bomb. It's also a fact that Bangladeshis are the lowest achievers academically, while Asians (comprising Indians and Chinese) are the highest in the UK.

Posted by: londongirl at August 21, 2005 12:14 PM

ia420,

Only a buffon like u culdnt make it out that i'm British, albiet of Indian origin. Cow is not considered a God u moron, its just revered coz early Aryans were engaged in animal husbandary hence for them cow was the means for life. As for cow urine thingy its an urbn myth. Dont go round saying that Muslims,Sikhs and Chritsitans r treated like crap in India, shuld i start abt condition of minorities in Pakistan?? Hinduism is to Sikhism what Judaism is to Christianity. As for "ds" man thats dumb, do i have to spell it out 4 ya?? Dip $#!t...

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 21, 2005 1:26 PM

ia786

But it is true - the London bombings were not the first example of British Pakistanis suicide bombing - you had one guy who did it in Kashmir a few years back, then there were the two lads who went to Israel and blew themselves up, then there was the lad from Gloucester who was the failed shoe-bomber, then the guy who helped catch Daniel Pearl in Pakistan, plus the failed British Pakistani lads who were plotting to blow up a van stuffed with fertiliser bombs - and then the London bombing. So it is not exagerrating to see a pattern here. The question is - why? Why are Pakistani youth turning to this extremism?

Posted by: Zico at August 21, 2005 1:56 PM

1a, Shirk:

"So why are Indians doing well in Britain while Pakistani Muslims are going backwards?"

Shirk sez:

'Well its rather complicated. A lot of it is to do with attitudes that stem from ignorance.'

This ignorance, could that be Islamic?

Could it be that these "complications" come from Islam?

Londongirl sez:

"Facts recently published by the Government show that the unemployment rate among second generation Bangladeshis is 63%. Their religion and their unwillingness to assimilate has a lot to do with that figure. It's not "racist" to point out that a lot of malcontents idling away on the dole listening to the rantings of the likes of Abu Hamza (as were the failed bombers in London) is a ticking time-bomb. It's also a fact that Bangladeshis are the lowest achievers academically..."

Shirk 1a:

This is not happening because of Islam? Your "religion" has nothing to do with it?

Posted by: Terminator at August 21, 2005 4:26 PM

londongirl - bangladeshis are asians

Posted by: freddiefreeloader at August 21, 2005 4:59 PM

The vitriol coming from ia towards Vikrant is most illuminating. Jibes about his Hindu religion, his possible height, even the suggestion in some quarters that cows urine is a good sure for what ails ye.
Well if you want to cast aspersions at me, I am 5' nothing and my ancestors used cow pats in all sorts of Old English folk remedies, including poultices for boils and (quite recently) for wasp stings.

Then there are the disparaging remarks about call centre workers. I have never worked in a call centre but I know that as well as students many mothers of young children work in such places, fitting shifts around available childcare. I have done some awful jobs myself in both those situations, the worst being in a works canteen cleaning chewing gum and cigarette ends off tables. So I take a dim view of insults to people trying to make a living to feed their families.

As for the question of why Muslims from the Indian sub continent are not doing well, the Muslim Council of Britain gives the statistics http://www.mcb.org.uk/links/leftmenu1.php#4 but no answers or solutions. Too complicated perhaps?

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at August 21, 2005 5:52 PM

"ia420,

Only a buffon like u culdnt make it out that i'm British, albiet of Indian origin."

I know you are British.

"Cow is not considered a God u moron, its just revered coz early Aryans were engaged in animal husbandary hence for them cow was the means for life."

Yes, but the status of the cow is really, really elevated is it not? They are treated like Gods in the Streets of Hindustan.

"As for cow urine thingy its an urbn myth."

How many times have I heard that, however when you do abit of research and ask people, you discover the truth.

"Dont go round saying that Muslims,Sikhs and Chritsitans r treated like crap in India, shuld i start abt condition of minorities in Pakistan??"

No you shouldn't. You should discuss the issue at hand. Now I have many Sikh friends, they are not idiots and they know about what the Hindus have done in the past. They never do anything openly or individually, its in mobs. The raping and killing of Sikhs, the storming of the Golden Temple. Sikh and Hindu is something completely different. I know people that have gone to India, they tell me about how things go down there. The recent atrocities against the Muslims just top it all off.

Lets not forget the treatment of Christians, the raping and killing of Nuns. Lets not forget the treatment of the lower castes, how some see Islam and Christianity as the only way out.

I could post many, many links, but cannot really be bothered.

"Hinduism is to Sikhism what Judaism is to Christianity."

Try telling a Sikh that.

"As for "ds" man thats dumb, do i have to spell it out 4 ya?? Dip $#!t..."

Okay.

Posted by: ia786 at August 21, 2005 6:46 PM

ia786

But you did not answer my question about the backwardness and murderous extremism that exists in the middle of Pakistanis in Britain today and why they are so backwards as compared to Sikhs and Hindus? Why?

Here is a hadith about how the Prophet drank camel urine, by the way:

"The prophet ordered them to follow his camels, and drink their milk and urine , so they followed the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy." Vol. 7:590

http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/_christian/_articles/islam&mohammed.htm

Posted by: Zico at August 21, 2005 7:57 PM

Granny

I agree, his answers to Vikrant are very illuminating - and the contempt he shows for hard working Indians who work in call centres to make something of their lives, and his blindness to the indolence of Muslims living as parasites on the dole spewing hatred and fanaticism, so in contrast - honesty and hard work against hatred - it puts everything in perspective.

Have you ever drunk camel urine, by the way, ia918290?

http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/_christian/_articles/islam&mohammed.htm

Posted by: Zico at August 21, 2005 8:00 PM

1a647,Shirk, Salabim:

"Lets not forget the treatment of Christians, the raping and killing of Nuns..."

Indeed!

Let's not forget that 1400 years of Mohammedan slaughter, Jihad-conquest along with murder, rape and slavery and the wholesale destruction of other cultures must end.

Glad you are with us on that!

Posted by: Terminator at August 21, 2005 8:03 PM

IA420'S TAQQUIYA EXPOSED

ia420,

I didnt wanna start a flame war but u leave me with no option. You talk shit about Hindu-Sikh relations without ever knowing what happened at Golden Temple, i know better since i've Sikh relatives in my extended famil. The death of innocents was unfortunate but it really helped crush the "Kahilstan" movement by Pakistan based Sikh dhimmis.
That Operation Blue Star was planned and executed by Sikhs themselves (KPS Gill et al.). The riots you are talking about, were between those goddamn Atheists-Muslims of Congress and Sikhs after Indira Gandhi died. BJP/RSS helped sheild the Sikhs and made sure the riots didnt spill all over the place.
Get ur history tight m8, but again being a Pakistani
ur knowledge of History is going to b shameful. Sikh sepratism died sometime in 1990. Now India has a Sikh PM, Sikh Field-Marshal,Sikh General. Contribtion of Sikhs towards crushing jihad in Kashmir has been substantial. About 15% of Indian armed forces consist of Sikhs. Views of a handful British Sikhs does not mirror those of Indian Sikhs.

The rape of nuns u talk abt is pure bs. Those nuns were raped by Christians themselves, its a well documented case so dont even think of scoring brownie points over it.

HOW PAKISTAN TREATS ITS MINORITIES VIS-AVIS INDIA

I could go on about this forever, if i start now it'd spring when i'd finish.

During Partition, 700000 Hindus and Sikhs were murdered & raped (my grand aunt being of them). In India the violence only spilled into Punjab. AS FOR "RAPE" OF MUSLIMS. Hindus prefer to die rather than fuck a muzzie. For Sikhs having intercourse with Muslim women has been prohibited by Guru Gobind Singh.

In Pakistan a non-Muslim can never hope to become achieve a position of power. India has had 3 Muslim Presidents, Sikh PM.

It is well documented how Hindus and Christians are murdered and forcibly converted in Pakistan on daily basis.

There are no significant numbers of minorities to speak of in Pakistan. India has more Muslims than Pakistan. Indian govt. gives $100 million haj subsidy. Certain provisions of Sharia are legally recognised (yes Mr.IA being a moonbat u can have 4 wives in India).

PAKISTAN AS COMPARED TO INDIA:

Education: While Pakistani madarrasas are busy churning out armies of jehadi moonabts, Indian colleges produce 2 million graducates annually.

Defense: Pakistan spends a large portion of its little wealth and alms donated by west in defense. Expenditure:$2 billion

India, espenditure:$17billion

India developed its nuclear bombs on its own. Pakistan just stole the know-how when west was looking the other way.

Economy: Indian economy is highly diversified and is booming m8. Cant say same for Pakistan.

Government: India is the worlds largest democracy. Pakistan is just a puppet democracy in hands of powerful elite.

Cultur: Indian culture dates back to 1500 BC. Yours is a bastard culture. Urdu was born when Hindi was raped by Arabic. The Punjabi, Kashimiri or (my very own) Sindhi u speak is bastardised version of the original tongues. I am (as are other non-muslim Indo-Aryans) rightful heir to all the ancient civilisations that stood in the sun-continent. Your blood is a bastard Indo-Aryan born when my culture was raped,mauled and wounded by marauding Perso-Arabians and Turks.
==================================================

IA420 u clearly accept ur Indo-Aryan (albiet bastard) ancestry in the post above my last post.
As for the personal digs at me, surely IA u've never seen a Maratha or a Rajput i guess. I'm 5' 11" and i'm only 16 yet.

IA420 i must ask you to stop acting like a troll here. You neither argue in acceptable language nor do u seem to be intellectually contributing to this blog.

Again what are u studying to b? i guess its gonna b something which doesnt need brains. My Indian parentage itself makes me intellectually superiror to you. The number of Indians passing A Levels vis-a-vis Pakistan is ridiculous. Summit like 80% Indians study upto or beyond A Levels whilst the percentage is 24% for Pakis (NOTE: The figures r for Surrey and West Sussex)

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 22, 2005 1:16 AM

IA420:Bollywood and the Indian underground is dominated by Muslims.

Vikrant :Bollywood wtf?? theres only 4 Khans to speak of. There are abt 100 or so renowned artists in it. So how does it becum Muslim dominated? Most directors,script writers and notably actresses are Hindu. BTW yes Indian mafia (it called underworld u jackass) is Muslim dominated. You seriously think its a fact to b proud of. Just nother example of your barbaric bedouin mentality...

And if u have any doubt abt my physical appearence. If u ever do drop by at Camberley. Just call up at York Road & we'll settle our difference the bedouin way...

Additions to my above post: Muslims found it essential to rename a small town called "Hindubagh" in NWFP to "Muslimbagh". But Hinduisms 4th holiest city (Prayag) still goes on by the name of Allahabad (Arabic == City of Allah)

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 22, 2005 1:35 AM

BTW, i'm amazed at the ignorance abt Hinduism by the ppl here. Hinduism (more correctly Santana Dharma or the Eternal Faith) is an umbrella term for various religious practises based on Vedas. Hinduism ranges from monism,monotheism,dualism,monistic dualism and polytheism. I'm a believer in Charvaka philosophy of Nastika (sort of atheism). I believe in a supreme being but refuse to imagine him or name him. I reject all rituals. I dont believe in Hindu trinity. But i tend to look upon Hinduism as more of a cultural phenomenon rather than a religion its a way of life. It encompanses almost all philosophies (including atheism). Its beyond comprehension of most ppl alive. Only a dedicated few can wade through the vast waters of Hinduism.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 22, 2005 1:57 AM

For those who've bought into IA420's taquiyya. Read:
West Punjab Ablaze it chronicles the orgy of murder and rape heaped upon Sikhs and Hindus from August 1947 to Spring of 48

Also read: Rape of Sindh Sindh had 30% Hindu population but by some wierd logic, whole of it went to Pakistan. It was the worst affected province. Sindhi Hindus were exiled forever (atleat Punjabis had their portion of East Punjab). My maternal Grandfather a Sindhi himself was born in Peshawar (NWFP) but was raised in Hyderabad,Sindh. In Sept 1947, he was kicked out with nothing but a suitcase on to those trains of death to India. He was one of the 110 survivor out of estd. 4000 ppl on tat train. He survived by feigning death. We still dont kno what happened to reast of his family as he came to Britain in 1950 (since he didnt have any family in India). But in 1997 my mother learnt that her aunt who was a lawyer herself, was kidnapped and converted to Islam and subsequently sold off to some Pathan. She commited suicide in 1954. I'm not telling you this to attract sympathy but the fact that ia420 is talking shit about imaginary genocides, lemme tell him about the real genocide to which his family/community were a party.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 22, 2005 2:50 AM

"The vitriol coming from ia towards Vikrant is most illuminating. Jibes about his Hindu religion, his possible height, even the suggestion in some quarters that cows urine is a good sure for what ails ye.
Well if you want to cast aspersions at me, I am 5' nothing and my ancestors used cow pats in all sorts of Old English folk remedies, including poultices for boils and (quite recently) for wasp stings."

Come on. What’s happening here.

I have mocked Hinduism, shame on me!!!

Is that not called freedom of speech? Honestly, this is strange. I have had the opportunity to mock every religion, I have had the chance to mock people of different cultures, I however have refrained from doing that, I leave that to the death worshippers on DW. Vikki and the other insulting DW’rs should try growing up, its easy for them to throw mock others but when the roles are reversed they cry like babies.

Now I don't like the things that India gets up to, I don't like those things. Now I support the freedom fighters in Kashmir, 100%. I don't support terrorists that kill indiscriminately, I support those that simply wish to protect their own families. India is a paper tiger, everyone knows that. India is weak and is very vulnerable, there are rebel movements with India, there is Kashmir, Pakistan.

Now there are people in India that call for Pakistan to be broken into 40 pieces, Hindu leaders. Well guess what, I oppose that!!!

"Then there are the disparaging remarks about call centre workers. I have never worked in a call centre but I know that as well as students many mothers of young children work in such places, fitting shifts around available childcare. I have done some awful jobs myself in both those situations, the worst being in a works canteen cleaning chewing gum and cigarette ends off tables. So I take a dim view of insults to people trying to make a living to feed their families."

No, you have taken my points the wrong way. Please read Vikkis earlier statement about our bad English, I made a realistic statement. The people in Indian call centres speak very weak English, can be hilarious and then again sometimes frustrating. That is how I find them, however I have never mocked the actual people, I have never and will never do that. That is pathetic.

Your posts are deceiving, I know many Asian women here that have low paid dirty jobs, I personally find it sad and humiliating, I don’t like the way we are seen as cheap labour, people that can be thrown about and won’t complain. Lets not forget the fiasco at Heathrow, I support the workers 100%. I have never mocked people that have to take up these type of jobs in order to make ends meet. Never will.

"As for the question of why Muslims from the Indian sub continent are not doing well, the Muslim Council of Britain gives the statistics http://www.mcb.org.uk/links/leftmenu1.php#4 but no answers or solutions. Too complicated perhaps?"

I could post some answers, however most of the people here are unhelpful and rude. I owe the people here, who mind you, want to see me thrown out of the UK (at best), nothing. I owe them nothing.

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 5:28 AM

Ok i'm not obessed wit IA or summit like tat, but i generally dont care to read half the bull shit coming frm him. Now, i've finally had the time to read all his allegations.

Here what our friend says to Zico:"and are now starting to suicide-bomb inside Britain and abroad."

Don't start making silly generalisations, they don't mean anything.

Then he goes on to state tat Hindus r gutless coward...(scream)HYPOCRITE!!

IA in response to one of my posts:"Wha? Surely its better then being a terrorist like ur co-religionists."

So that’s how you see it. Either be a terrorist or pretend to be White. No, I don't want anything to do with your deranged view of the World.

Vikrant says: Jackass, wazza prob wit u. I was saying it is better to work at a call centre than being a terrorist. Those guys dont act White. They just adopt Western names for the convinience of their customers.

IA says:Really, that’s interesting. Did you enjoy your time at those call centres. You are like guinea pigs, you know that. Oh yeh, improve on your English, that accent can become really irritating after a while.

Wha? Why wuld i need to improve my english? My accents a cross btwn RP and Estuary..

And particulary abt the bit where IA asks me whether i'd dare to speak what i'm saying here face to face wit a Muslim.... Yes i would. Infact i've alrdy done it.

Well its my turn to ask whether u would highlight your ignorance and hatred of Hinduism face to face with a Hindu??

tats all... have i missed sumthing?

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 22, 2005 5:40 AM

"ia786

But you did not answer my question about the backwardness and murderous extremism that exists in the middle of Pakistanis in Britain today and why they are so backwards as compared to Sikhs and Hindus? Why?"

Backwardness, yes.

Murderous Extremism, exaggeration.

"why they are so backwards as compared to Sikhs and Hindus? Why?"

Its really long and complicated. Judging from the responses I got after the Bombs (Constructive points on how to combat extremism in the UK) I will not do that. I was completely ignored as my points did not involve Muslims suffering. Now whatever I post here will be taken the wrong way and deceptive responses will be made. Plus I can’t be bothered.

I know what you think and let me say something though, it is not because of Islam. In Islam it is an obligation to get knowledge, to learn about the World. The Prophet told his followers to travel to China (This was a large distance back then) to seek knowledge. It is an obligation. Now there are many Muslims that do well, now saying it is Islam is very vague and doesn't mean anything (like your other points), now tell me, how does Islam cause this backwardness. I have been raised as a Muslim, I am well educated, what did my old man do wrong. Are we following the wrong Islam?

Tell me, why is Islam the cause of this backwardness, please, no weak answers, do something different, give a proper answer for once.

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 5:40 AM

"Here is a hadith about how the Prophet drank camel urine, by the way:

"The prophet ordered them to follow his camels, and drink their milk and urine , so they followed the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy." Vol. 7:590

http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/_christian/_articles/islam&mohammed.htm"

And.................

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 5:41 AM

"I agree, his answers to Vikrant are very illuminating - and the contempt he shows for hard working Indians who work in call centres to make something of their lives,"

Ppppfffff........

Come on Zico!!!

Don't make deceptive posts.

"and his blindness to the indolence of Muslims living as parasites on the dole spewing hatred and fanaticism"

Come on, I am not blind to the acts of Muslims, Your posts are very deceptive. As expected.

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 5:45 AM

"The death of innocents was unfortunate but it really helped crush the "Kahilstan" movement by Pakistan based Sikh dhimmis."

That statement says it all.

Who are you trying to fool. Have you ever actually spoken to Sikhs, do you know what they thought about those riots.

"ur knowledge of History is going to b shameful. Sikh sepratism died sometime in 1990. Now India has a Sikh PM, Sikh Field-Marshal,Sikh General. Contribtion of Sikhs towards crushing jihad in Kashmir has been substantial. About 15% of Indian armed forces consist of Sikhs. Views of a handful British Sikhs does not mirror those of Indian Sikhs."

And......

How many Muslims are there in the Indian Army? Huh?

"The rape of nuns u talk abt is pure bs. Those nuns were raped by Christians themselves"

.............?!?!?!

Typical Hindu.

_________________________________________________

"During Partition, 700000 Hindus and Sikhs were murdered & raped (my grand aunt being of them). In India the violence only spilled into Punjab. AS FOR "RAPE" OF MUSLIMS. Hindus prefer to die rather than fuck a muzzie. For Sikhs having intercourse with Muslim women has been prohibited by Guru Gobind Singh.

We all have our tragedies, have some honour. You should try to talk about things you know nothing about.

_________________________________________________

"Education: While Pakistani madarrasas are busy churning out armies of jehadi moonabts, Indian colleges produce 2 million graducates annually."

ha ha ha

"Defense: Pakistan spends a large portion of its little wealth and alms donated by west in defense. Expenditure:$2 billion

India, espenditure:$17billion"

Why do they have to spend so much????

Have you seen the size of India compared to Pakistan, how come India can't do anything?

"India developed its nuclear bombs on its own. Pakistan just stole the know-how when west was looking the other way."

Ha ha ha

India lost alot of credibility and its advantage over Pakistan, what idiots.

"Economy: Indian economy is highly diversified and is booming m8. Cant say same for Pakistan."

ha ha ha

You make me laugh, Pakistan is a very poor underdeveloped country, As is India. People like you make me laugh.

"Government: India is the worlds largest democracy. Pakistan is just a puppet democracy in hands of powerful elite."

Try telling the lower caste Hindus that.

"Cultur: Indian culture dates back to 1500 BC. Yours is a bastard culture. Urdu was born when Hindi was raped by Arabic. The Punjabi, Kashimiri or (my very own) Sindhi u speak is bastardised version of the original tongues. I am (as are other non-muslim Indo-Aryans) rightful heir to all the ancient civilisations that stood in the sun-continent. Your blood is a bastard Indo-Aryan born when my culture was raped,mauled and wounded by marauding Perso-Arabians and Turks."

Ha ha ha,

You seem to be rather upset, please calm down Vikki.

"IA420 u clearly accept ur Indo-Aryan (albiet bastard) ancestry in the post above my last post."

As you wish.

"As for the personal digs at me, surely IA u've never seen a Maratha or a Rajput i guess. I'm 5' 11" and i'm only 16 yet."

Really........

Well, will you may admit that Hindus are generally short and physically smaller?!?!

Huh?

"Again what are u studying to b?"

………………….

"i guess its gonna b something which doesnt need brains."

"My Indian parentage itself makes me intellectually superiror to you."

Okay.

"The number of Indians passing A Levels vis-a-vis Pakistan is ridiculous. Summit like 80% Indians study upto or beyond A Levels whilst the percentage is 24% for Pakis (NOTE: The figures r for Surrey and West Sussex)"

And........

Doesn’t apply to my family and friends.

_________________________________________________

"Vikrant :Bollywood wtf?? theres only 4 Khans to speak of. There are abt 100 or so renowned artists in it. So how does it becum Muslim dominated? Most directors,script writers and notably actresses are Hindu. BTW yes Indian mafia (it called underworld u jackass) is Muslim dominated. You seriously think its a fact to b proud of. Just nother example of your barbaric bedouin mentality..."

Its nothing to be proud of, it just shows that Indians are pussies, something that was mentioned here often, however not so bluntly.

"And if u have any doubt abt my physical appearence. If u ever do drop by at Camberley. Just call up at York Road & we'll settle our difference the bedouin way..."

“Just call up at York Road”

How does that work?!?! Be more specific.

ha ha ha, trying to act like a big boy huh??? Worried about your rep at DW, ha ha.

Boy you don’t know who your talking to.

Did I hurt your feelings.

Hey kid, the difference between you and I is that you are essentially a pussy, and would never say any of this in front of a Pakistani. You run to the net and act like a pussy here crying for sympathy. I have read your pathetic posts here, complaining about how no one cares, ha ha, grow up.

You can have this blog, as I stated the views here hold no consequence for me, I am free from the people here. You can ride them if you want, I really couldn't care.

Now it comes down to this. Your Cow cult and country wish to harm me and my people, I will do all I can to oppose that. Its as simple as that. Get over yourself.

Thanks for the laugh, really enjoyed your posts.

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 6:25 AM

"The death of innocents was unfortunate but it really helped crush the "Kahilstan" movement by Pakistan based Sikh dhimmis."

That statement says it all.

Who are you trying to fool. Have you ever actually spoken to Sikhs, do you know what they thought about those riots.

"ur knowledge of History is going to b shameful. Sikh sepratism died sometime in 1990. Now India has a Sikh PM, Sikh Field-Marshal,Sikh General. Contribtion of Sikhs towards crushing jihad in Kashmir has been substantial. About 15% of Indian armed forces consist of Sikhs. Views of a handful British Sikhs does not mirror those of Indian Sikhs."

And......

How many Muslims are there in the Indian Army? Huh?

"The rape of nuns u talk abt is pure bs. Those nuns were raped by Christians themselves"

.............?!?!?!

Typical Hindu.

_________________________________________________

"During Partition, 700000 Hindus and Sikhs were murdered & raped (my grand aunt being of them). In India the violence only spilled into Punjab. AS FOR "RAPE" OF MUSLIMS. Hindus prefer to die rather than fuck a muzzie. For Sikhs having intercourse with Muslim women has been prohibited by Guru Gobind Singh.

We all have our tragedies, have some honour. You should try to talk about things you know nothing about.

_________________________________________________

"Education: While Pakistani madarrasas are busy churning out armies of jehadi moonabts, Indian colleges produce 2 million graducates annually."

ha ha ha

"Defense: Pakistan spends a large portion of its little wealth and alms donated by west in defense. Expenditure:$2 billion

India, espenditure:$17billion"

Why do they have to spend so much????

Have you seen the size of India compared to Pakistan, how come India can't do anything?

"India developed its nuclear bombs on its own. Pakistan just stole the know-how when west was looking the other way."

Ha ha ha

India lost alot of credibility and its advantage over Pakistan, what idiots.

"Economy: Indian economy is highly diversified and is booming m8. Cant say same for Pakistan."

ha ha ha

You make me laugh, Pakistan is a very poor underdeveloped country, As is India. People like you make me laugh.

"Government: India is the worlds largest democracy. Pakistan is just a puppet democracy in hands of powerful elite."

Try telling the lower caste Hindus that.

"Cultur: Indian culture dates back to 1500 BC. Yours is a bastard culture. Urdu was born when Hindi was raped by Arabic. The Punjabi, Kashimiri or (my very own) Sindhi u speak is bastardised version of the original tongues. I am (as are other non-muslim Indo-Aryans) rightful heir to all the ancient civilisations that stood in the sun-continent. Your blood is a bastard Indo-Aryan born when my culture was raped,mauled and wounded by marauding Perso-Arabians and Turks."

Ha ha ha,

You seem to be rather upset, please calm down Vikki.

"IA420 u clearly accept ur Indo-Aryan (albiet bastard) ancestry in the post above my last post."

As you wish.

"As for the personal digs at me, surely IA u've never seen a Maratha or a Rajput i guess. I'm 5' 11" and i'm only 16 yet."

Really........

Well, will you may admit that Hindus are generally short and physically smaller?!?!

Huh?

"Again what are u studying to b?"

………………….

"i guess its gonna b something which doesnt need brains."

"My Indian parentage itself makes me intellectually superiror to you."

Okay.

"The number of Indians passing A Levels vis-a-vis Pakistan is ridiculous. Summit like 80% Indians study upto or beyond A Levels whilst the percentage is 24% for Pakis (NOTE: The figures r for Surrey and West Sussex)"

And........

Doesn’t apply to my family and friends.

_________________________________________________

"Vikrant :Bollywood wtf?? theres only 4 Khans to speak of. There are abt 100 or so renowned artists in it. So how does it becum Muslim dominated? Most directors,script writers and notably actresses are Hindu. BTW yes Indian mafia (it called underworld u jackass) is Muslim dominated. You seriously think its a fact to b proud of. Just nother example of your barbaric bedouin mentality..."

Its nothing to be proud of, it just shows that Indians are pussies, something that was mentioned here often, however not so bluntly.

"And if u have any doubt abt my physical appearence. If u ever do drop by at Camberley. Just call up at York Road & we'll settle our difference the bedouin way..."

“Just call up at York Road”

How does that work?!?! Be more specific.

ha ha ha, trying to act like a big boy huh??? Worried about your rep at DW, ha ha.

Boy you don’t know who your talking to.

Did I hurt your feelings.

Hey kid, the difference between you and I is that you are essentially a pussy, and would never say any of this in front of a Pakistani. You run to the net and act like a pussy here crying for sympathy. I have read your pathetic posts here, complaining about how no one cares, ha ha, grow up.

You can have this blog, as I stated the views here hold no consequence for me, I am free from the people here. You can ride them if you want, I really couldn't care.

Now it comes down to this. Your Cow cult and country wish to harm me and my people, I will do all I can to oppose that. Its as simple as that. Get over yourself.

Thanks for the laugh, really enjoyed your posts.

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 6:25 AM

"The death of innocents was unfortunate but it really helped crush the "Kahilstan" movement by Pakistan based Sikh dhimmis."

That statement says it all.

Who are you trying to fool. Have you ever actually spoken to Sikhs, do you know what they thought about those riots.

"ur knowledge of History is going to b shameful. Sikh sepratism died sometime in 1990. Now India has a Sikh PM, Sikh Field-Marshal,Sikh General. Contribtion of Sikhs towards crushing jihad in Kashmir has been substantial. About 15% of Indian armed forces consist of Sikhs. Views of a handful British Sikhs does not mirror those of Indian Sikhs."

And......

How many Muslims are there in the Indian Army? Huh?

"The rape of nuns u talk abt is pure bs. Those nuns were raped by Christians themselves"

.............?!?!?!

Typical Hindu.

_________________________________________________

"During Partition, 700000 Hindus and Sikhs were murdered & raped (my grand aunt being of them). In India the violence only spilled into Punjab. AS FOR "RAPE" OF MUSLIMS. Hindus prefer to die rather than fuck a muzzie. For Sikhs having intercourse with Muslim women has been prohibited by Guru Gobind Singh.

We all have our tragedies, have some honour. You should try to talk about things you know nothing about.

_________________________________________________

"Education: While Pakistani madarrasas are busy churning out armies of jehadi moonabts, Indian colleges produce 2 million graducates annually."

ha ha ha

"Defense: Pakistan spends a large portion of its little wealth and alms donated by west in defense. Expenditure:$2 billion

India, espenditure:$17billion"

Why do they have to spend so much????

Have you seen the size of India compared to Pakistan, how come India can't do anything?

"India developed its nuclear bombs on its own. Pakistan just stole the know-how when west was looking the other way."

Ha ha ha

India lost alot of credibility and its advantage over Pakistan, what idiots.

"Economy: Indian economy is highly diversified and is booming m8. Cant say same for Pakistan."

ha ha ha

You make me laugh, Pakistan is a very poor underdeveloped country, As is India. People like you make me laugh.

"Government: India is the worlds largest democracy. Pakistan is just a puppet democracy in hands of powerful elite."

Try telling the lower caste Hindus that.

"Cultur: Indian culture dates back to 1500 BC. Yours is a bastard culture. Urdu was born when Hindi was raped by Arabic. The Punjabi, Kashimiri or (my very own) Sindhi u speak is bastardised version of the original tongues. I am (as are other non-muslim Indo-Aryans) rightful heir to all the ancient civilisations that stood in the sun-continent. Your blood is a bastard Indo-Aryan born when my culture was raped,mauled and wounded by marauding Perso-Arabians and Turks."

Ha ha ha,

You seem to be rather upset, please calm down Vikki.

"IA420 u clearly accept ur Indo-Aryan (albiet bastard) ancestry in the post above my last post."

As you wish.

"As for the personal digs at me, surely IA u've never seen a Maratha or a Rajput i guess. I'm 5' 11" and i'm only 16 yet."

Really........

Well, will you may admit that Hindus are generally short and physically smaller?!?!

Huh?

"Again what are u studying to b?"

………………….

"i guess its gonna b something which doesnt need brains."

"My Indian parentage itself makes me intellectually superiror to you."

Okay.

"The number of Indians passing A Levels vis-a-vis Pakistan is ridiculous. Summit like 80% Indians study upto or beyond A Levels whilst the percentage is 24% for Pakis (NOTE: The figures r for Surrey and West Sussex)"

And........

Doesn’t apply to my family and friends.

_________________________________________________

"Vikrant :Bollywood wtf?? theres only 4 Khans to speak of. There are abt 100 or so renowned artists in it. So how does it becum Muslim dominated? Most directors,script writers and notably actresses are Hindu. BTW yes Indian mafia (it called underworld u jackass) is Muslim dominated. You seriously think its a fact to b proud of. Just nother example of your barbaric bedouin mentality..."

Its nothing to be proud of, it just shows that Indians are pussies, something that was mentioned here often, however not so bluntly.

"And if u have any doubt abt my physical appearence. If u ever do drop by at Camberley. Just call up at York Road & we'll settle our difference the bedouin way..."

“Just call up at York Road”

How does that work?!?! Be more specific.

ha ha ha, trying to act like a big boy huh??? Worried about your rep at DW, ha ha.

Boy you don’t know who your talking to.

Did I hurt your feelings.

Hey kid, the difference between you and I is that you are essentially a pussy, and would never say any of this in front of a Pakistani. You run to the net and act like a pussy here crying for sympathy. I have read your pathetic posts here, complaining about how no one cares, ha ha, grow up.

You can have this blog, as I stated the views here hold no consequence for me, I am free from the people here. You can ride them if you want, I really couldn't care.

Now it comes down to this. Your Cow cult and country wish to harm me and my people, I will do all I can to oppose that. Its as simple as that. Get over yourself.

Thanks for the laugh, really enjoyed your posts.

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 6:25 AM

Sorry about multiple posts.

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 6:29 AM

Sorry guys for being such a miserable lil' prick. I got no life and no better things to do, hence i find it amusing to start flamewars on indfidel forums and blogs. I always deflect any criticism heaped upon my community by saying "none applies to me" this type of jackass behaiviour occurs when i'm on speed or E. I'm such a pathetic guy. My other cheif qualities include:hypocrisy and taqquiyance. I love it when Muslim mobmen cream those infidels in India, thats my idea of masculinity. Thats all, i need ta hurry for a wank...

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 10:13 AM

Ahh.. back..

I'm soo dumb that i confuse 1984 riots with Hindutva. I checked it out on net. 1984 riots were carried out by Congress (the protector of ummah in India) against Sikhs. Ooo i learnt the reason why there arent any Muslims in Indian army coz they arent patriotic enuf. I such a jackass that i wrote this:
"Now it comes down to this. Your Cow cult and country wish to harm me and my people, I will do all I can to oppose that. Its as simple as that. Get over yourself."

You see i'm deluded enuf to think Britain will harm me. Geez i fink i shuldnt have seen "Dumb,Dumb and Dumber" just b4 breakfast this morning.

G'Afternoon

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 10:55 AM

G'Evenin,

This is funny, fake 'ia786' please you need to r e l a x. Lay off the cow urine for a while.

'ia786' is that it, I was expeting something with more venom.

"You see i'm deluded enuf to think Britain will harm me. Geez i fink i shuldnt have seen "Dumb,Dumb and Dumber" just b4 breakfast this morning."

What the hell is that supposed to mean?!?! At that point I was laughing at you, not your jokes.

Sort it oooouuut mate.

Posted by: ia786 at August 22, 2005 12:54 PM

Jokes apart,

Sorry for the confusing sentence construction (mustabeen a bit sleepy). You mention that my country is after you. You forget ours is the same country. As for "Dumb,Dumb and Dumber" its Jim Carrey a movie for the likes of mr.ia420

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 22, 2005 1:10 PM

As for cow urine part, cut it out m8. Its prolly an urban myth. I've clarified meself tat i'ma nastika.
Why do dodge some "uncomfortable" questions abt your religion. Cow thing was the best u culd come up with mine. If u wanna some real fireworks drop by at: #sndo on Quakenet IRC servers...

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at August 22, 2005 1:14 PM

"You mention that my country is after you. You forget ours is the same country."

Okay................ so what!!!

What does that change!!!

""Dumb,Dumb and Dumber" its Jim Carrey a movie for the likes of mr.ia420"

Sorry, I don't watch rubbish like that.

Posted by: ia786 at August 24, 2005 3:19 PM

"As for cow urine part, cut it out m8. Its prolly an urban myth. I've clarified meself tat i'ma nastika.
Why do dodge some "uncomfortable" questions abt your religion. Cow thing was the best u culd come up with mine. If u wanna some real fireworks drop by at: #sndo on Quakenet IRC servers..."

Okay, Vikrant calm down, I was joking. You and your friends love throwing insults out but can't take any back!!!

Hey, I am not worried about insults against Islam, anyone can insult a religion, anyone. I admit what I said to you was pathetic, I am ashamed. I have had my religion insulted many, many times, so what. Doesn't mean a thing to me, however I should have some discipline and should avoid stooping to the level of you and your ilk.

"#sndo on Quakenet IRC servers..."

What is that?

Posted by: ia786 at August 24, 2005 3:27 PM