Ghazi Khankan is also the Interfaith Director for the Islamic Center of Long Island, 835 Brush Hollow Road, Westbury, NY.

Ghazi Khankan also said this:

"I bring to you salaams and greetings from the Mujahadeen at CAIR."
(Statement made during a Washington D.C. rally)

And this:

"Anyone over 18 is automatically inducted into the service and they are all reserves. Therefore, Hamas, in my opinion, looks at them as part of the military." - Ghazi Khankan

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040316-085118-1135r.htm

Posted by: jawa at August 23, 2005 9:38 AM

"Mujahadeen at CAIR"

Yep, that's Muslim leadership alright.

Posted by: DCWatson at August 23, 2005 10:19 AM

Rabbi Weiss, allegedly, was on Arafat's payroll. He and his small group of adherents have been known to turn up at rallies such as those protesting the war in Iraq decrying the State of Israel as they believe that only the Messiah can re-establish Israel.

Rabbi Weiss makes me think of a rather long Jewish joke, the punch line of which is, "I just wanted you to see what an idiot the rabbi is."

Like many Askenazic Jews, he knows precious little of what the Jewish experience really was in Muslim countries. I doubt there are any Sephardic, Yemenite, Iranian or Falasha Jews who share his opinion as to how nicely they were treated in their homelands.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at August 23, 2005 10:39 AM

WD!;

hey pal. Living in Rockland County, NY, I have lived around very sizable Skverer Hasidic populations for most of my life. A village by the name of New Square, founded by Rebbe Twersky in 1954, is located in Rockland County and a newer, much larger village named Kiryas Joel,founded by Rebbe Teitelbaum populated by Satmar Hasidim, also moving out of Williamsburg, NYC is located in neighboring Orange County. I remember seeing billboards announcing the coming of the "Moshiach"(spelling?), apparently an event neccessary for the fulfilling of a Judaic prophesy of the end-times, I think. I believe I recall anti-Isreal demonstrations invoving Hasidim in the county.

By the way, after the determined date for the "Coming of the Moshiach(?)" the billboards were quietly taken down.

Posted by: t-ham at August 23, 2005 10:57 AM

They'll hug anyone who will aid them in their courses at this stage. What the likes of rabbi Weiss fail to realize is that once Israel is gone, they will be next.

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dolphin, CAGE co-founder.
http://www.acage.org

Posted by: dolphin at August 23, 2005 11:03 AM

Dolphin, just the opposite.

The likes of Weiss (please don't honor the likes of him with the title of "Rabbi") will be gone - not Israel.

Posted by: Shy Guy at August 23, 2005 11:22 AM

so water dragon, rabbi weiss was in the pay of arafat? can you give me any background on this?

and what of abraham h foxman, who is currently persecuting christians in the usa, telling them its not on to have car stickers saying "i vote christian"

i bet if his first name was ibrahim, youd have plenty to say about it

Posted by: freddiefreeloader at August 23, 2005 12:23 PM

How do you get to be a rabbi and be so ignorant about history? I don't get it.

Posted by: pedestrian infidel at August 23, 2005 12:38 PM

Rabbi Weiss suffers from "Andalusianal Syndrome," a brain disease that causes the patient to look favorable upon being a dhimini under Muslim rule. It is not clear what causes the disease. Possible causes include too much exposure to the "New Duranty Times" or college professors.

Anyway, there is a reason that most of world Jewry had migrated to Europe or to North America by the 20th century. Principally, the reason was to escape the dhimini system and Islamic rule.

An example of the dhimini system was the Turkish Capital Tax that was established during World War II.

Tax rate on Muslim Turks

Profits 12.5%
Wealth 0%

Tax rate on non-Muslims

Profits 50%
Wealth up to 50%
  Source: Faik Okte, The Tragedy of the Turkish Capital Tax.

Essentially the tax is purported to have destroyed capital formation and business in Turkey and essentially resulted in the bargain sale of substantial business assets to Muslim owners.

(Treasury Department; Office of Tax Analysis-David Joulfaian)

Posted by: DavidE at August 23, 2005 12:48 PM

Nice quote DavidE. Of course, their own stupidity destroyed their tax base. Fools. All in the name of a god for which there's not a scrap of evidence. Ah well - a good muslim probably must try not to think about these things.

freddie, what are you talking about? Lay off Water - she's a Christian, as you are. I imagine she'd have quite a bit to say.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at August 23, 2005 1:40 PM

Wow! That was really interesting about the Turkish Capital Tax. And here's something else I didn't know which I found when I was researching DavidE's quote - the Turks demanded that everyone take a surname in the 30s and demanded that ethnic minorities take Turkish surnames in an effort to wipe out their ethnic identity and make them Turkish. Now is that interesting or what?

http://migs.concordia.ca/links/dikranian.html

The Gazette (Montreal) June 26, 2000, Editorial / Op-ed; B3

"Mr. Bahaban reclaims his history: Fight to revert to Armenian
name results in a broader victory, for truth"

by Harry Dikranian

In Quebec, changing your last name is often difficult and costly. Even spouses can't legally or easily adopt each other's names. A request for a change has to be supported with serious reasons. Even then, it can be denied.

And that's what happened - at first - to Jilber Bagban. The Registrar of Civil Status had no trouble with his request to change his given name from Jilber to Gilbert. But the registrar balked at his application to change Bagban, a name that had been imposed by authorities in his native Turkey, back to the original Armenian family name on his baptismal certificate, Bahaban.

That name had been carried by the family for generations. But in the 1930s, the Turkish government passed a law forcing members of all non-Turkish minorities to take Turkish names. The purpose of the new law was to obliterate ethnic identities.

In exercising his discretion, the registrar stated - astoundingly - that he was not satisfied with the reasons invoked and explained that the law requires serious, valid and important reasons to change a name.

In the end, common sense and cultural sensitivity won out. On April 25, in Quebec Superior Court, the registrar's decision was reversed. And in the process, Judge Maurice E. LagacÈ also provided the first-ever acknowledgement by a Canadian court of the Armenian genocide of 1915 and its effects on the survivors.

In appealing to the Quebec Superior Court, Bagban had added to his testimony an expert's report by a noted genocide scholar, Professor Frank Chalk of Concordia University, on the treatment by the Turkish government of the Armenian community, which the judgment quoted extensively. And he had submitted a second expert's report on the meaning and significance of the names Bahaban and Bagban.

Bahaban is a noun in Armenian that signifies "guardian, overseer, superintendent, attendant, preserver, keeper." (And to Armenians, it is obviously an Armenian name, even if it does not end in "ian" or "yan" - a suffix similar to "son" - as is commonly the case.)

Bagban has an entirely different meaning. It corresponds to a Turkish noun meaning "vineyard worker" or "gardener."

DENIED IDENTITY

As the judge declared, "imposing the Turkish name Bagban on Armenians denies them not only the right to bear the Armenian surname Bahaban, their ancestral designation but also diminishes their status. ...

"This change of a family name was part of an assimilation process that denied this ethnic group its identity."

Judge LagacÈ cited Professor Chalk's report, which stated: "The imposition of Turkish family names on Armenian families was part of a consistent policy of Turkicizing the Armenian population of that land. In his foreword to Faik Okte's book, The Tragedy of the Turkish Capital Tax (London: Croom Helm, 1988), David Brown observes that following the obligatory adoption of surnames by every Turkish citizen in 1935, pressure was brought to bear upon the minorities to adopt Turkish-sounding surnames. Thus Istanbul Jews, Greeks and Armenians were forced to give up their traditional surnames and adopt new ones."

The judgment went on to cite Chalk again: "In order to appropriately gauge the feelings engendered among the Armenian population by that development, one must bear in mind that this policy originated and was consistently applied by governments of Turkey that have refused to acknowledge the genocide of 1915 directed against the Armenian people."

Again citing Chalk, Judge LagacÈ states, "Successive Turkish governments implemented the policy of erasing any memory of the Armenian people - except as bandits and traitors - from Turkish history. Thus those who survived the planned annihilation of roughly 1 million Armenians from 1915 to 1918, the members of the Armenian community in Turkey, were required after 1935 to bear Turkish names, which properly symbolized, for them, the effort to eradicate the history of their ancestors and the victory of those who supported that process. This development represented the triumph of integral nationalism in Turkey and buried another 65 years the chance of forward-looking Turkish leaders to develop in their country any form of modern, inclusive civic nationalism that recognized the existence and rights of minorities such as the Armenians."

According to Judge LagacÈ, "since the petitioner is now a Canadian citizen, he called upon democracy in his adopted country to change his name, from one that signifies for him oppression against his ethnic community."

MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY

Citing precedent from the Supreme Court of Canada, the judge confirmed that Canada is not a closed, homogeneous society. "It is enriched by the presence and contributions of its citizens belonging to different races nationalities and ethnic origins. The multicultural character of Canadian society is recognized in our Charter of Rights. Our judges must be particularly sensitive to the need not only to be equitable, but also to be equitable toward Canadians of all races, religions, nationalities and ethnic origins."

One would hope that it's not just the Registrar of Civil Status who takes note. Denial of the Armenian Genocide is as insipid and insulting to history as any form of holocaust denial. Independent of Turkey's own record in facing history and its continued falsifications, Judge LagacÈ has indeed set a precedent with implications well beyond the simple change of a name.

Harry Dikranian is a Montreal lawyer practicing at Sternthal Katznelson Montigny, he can be reached by telephone at 514-878-1011 and email at hd@skm.qc.ca.

Posted by: Mentat at August 23, 2005 3:19 PM

Geoff:

waterdragon52 has stated that she is Jewish, as I recall.

Posted by: CGW at August 23, 2005 6:01 PM

You don't understand this guy's real rationale.

Like the militant Muslims -who think their de facto "Messiah" (Mohammad) HAS already come- this 'orthodox' 'teacher' is waiting to be AS exalted and self-important (as the Islamicists feel themselves to be) when HIS Messiah finally comes.

Then his version of the 'Restored Caliphate', the 'Rebuilt Temple' (and 'true Zion') - the REAL earthly kingdom- shall be raised. And it will dominate ALL, including the now-crowing Muslims.

He's just eschatologically patient for his own CERTAIN dominion.

And doesn't want to anger Yaweh into postponing it any further through his own premature arrogance.

Deuteronomy is the plan.

No wonder he gets along with his mirror Muslo-image.

Both of these types are the reason that religion must always be keep out of secular rule.

It tends toward absolute self-intoxicated delusional dementia.

Wearing weird unhistorical costumes and living on the fringes of society (and the margins of reality) is where they all are safest for the rest of us.

"Beware the person who claims to speak for God."
-God.

Posted by: BigSleep at August 23, 2005 10:44 PM

yes she told me she was a secular jew cgw

Posted by: freddiefreeloader at August 24, 2005 1:16 AM

Geoff:

I'm a secular Jew and take exception to freddie's backhanded swipes at Israel and Judaism at any opportunity (witness his description of the objections the Jewish community raised to the "Vote Christian" campaign with the persecution of Christians).

WD52

Posted by: waterdragon52 at August 24, 2005 10:07 AM

im sorry water, if ive said anything to offend you, but if people in this site take every opportunity to defend israel and judaism from whoever is attacking them, i see no reason for not doing the same for christians and christianity.

i am not picking on judaism. only yesterday i got something off the web about a buddhist mob, headed by a buddhist monk who have stopped a church meeting in horana, kalutara district, sri lanka, (foursquare gospel church) they have now been banned from meeting there and told not to try to relocate elsewhere. i took it straight round to my local buddhist meditation centre, just round the corner from me and confronted the guy with it. poor guy didnt know where to look!
but he thanked me for the information and was most polite. (probably thinking to himself, who is this nutcase!)

thats what im doing these days. and im not going to stop

Posted by: freddiefreeloader at August 24, 2005 11:05 AM

freddie:

I don't have any proof and that is why I said it is alleged that Weiss received money from Arafat. I cannot recall if it was something I read on the Internet or in a movie on the resurgence of The Protocols of Zion recently made by a New York documentary maker, who was trying to get a handle on the persistant belief among some demographics that it was Jews and/or Israel who were the direct perpetrators of 9/11 (as opposed to simply being blamed as the root of all terrorism).

The "Vote Christian" campaign implied that the only candidates worthy of political support are Christians. Objecting to such a campaign is not an attack on Christians or Christianity. There are people of good (and bad) conscience in all quarters, whatever their religion. Bush got a lot of support from Jews and other non-Christians and I'm sure it works in reverse. And when called on it by the ADL among others, Pat Robertson (I believe it was his organization's "brainchild" quickly agreed it was inappropriate.

Critize what is worthy of criticism, but when you constantly pick on a particular country or faith, often relying on bad moral equivalences or without full context in so doing,it starts to look like you have a bias.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at August 24, 2005 1:31 PM

Bravo, BigSleep, for your insightful comment posted above re: the basis for Weiss's beliefs. I thank you.

Posted by: commonsense at August 25, 2005 9:13 AM

Actually, R. Weiss represents a strain long present in orthodox Judaism. In Chaim Potok's _The Chosen_ there was also a fictional reconstruction of the bitter divisions among orthodox Jews over Zionism back in the late 1940's. Agudath Yisroel is another similar anti-Zionist orthodox Jewish movement; and some of the inhabitants of Mea She'arim in Jerusalem also refuse to take Israeli citizenship for religious reasons.

For the record, as a Christian, I see Israel's existence as part of the usual rising and falling of nations that goes on in the time between Messiah Jesus's first and second comings. I respect Israel as a country, and see it as standing head and shoulders (morally) above its opponents; but see the eschatological significance of the Israel constituted in 1948 as an open question.

Posted by: Kepha at August 25, 2005 8:47 PM