A great example of Muslims screwing things up for non Muslims. They cause all the trouble, yet 80% of those affected by this "solution" are not even going to be Muslims.

It sounds hopeful, but really it’s just another case of the government papering over the cracks. Muzzies are going to have to wait another 12 months for a passport - big deal!

The solution is of course to stop all Muslim immigration NOW instead of inconveniencing tens of thousands of innocents.

Posted by: Timbo at September 3, 2005 10:00 AM

Maybe all the anti-dhimmitude coming out of Australia is just wishful thinking and hype, but at least the government there is talking about the threat of muslim immigration. That's a whole lot more than any other country has the guts to do, unless you want to count Tony Blair's recent rhetoric. Nobody seems to give that too much credence.

I talked to a man the other day who is on the front lines of the fight against jihad and muslim infiltration of our government and institutions. Some of the things he told me, and I am confident that he is credible, rendered me utterly speechless. If he is right, we have been sold out by our government and I mean our entire government, from the White House to Congress and every affiliated bureaucracy in between. We talked for about thirty minutes and when I hung up the phone, I was literally trembling all over in rage and disbelief.

We have all seen how C.A.I.R. has succeeded in silencing public critics of Islam. Pipes explains the corporate reaction to C.A.I.R.'s extortion and strong arm techniques in a recent article. The very few members of Congress who have been loud critics of the Islamic agenda, Islamic cabals in America, and other issues related to Islamic terrorism and the presence of terrorists and terror supporters in America, have been all but silenced by death threats against themselves and their families, or fear of the POLITICAL REPURCUSSIONS of fighting Islamic sedition and terrorism in this country!!! In other words, they are more concerned about muslim votes than the security and future of the country and people they have sworn to represent and protect!

I guess I already suspected much of what I was told during this conversation, I just didn't want to believe it. The replies to dozens of letters that I have written to various government representatives have been indicative of complicity, ignorance, or apathy.

Despite what is happening in Europe and other muslim infested areas of the world, our politically correct "leaders" are not doing a thing to protect us, and don't intend to.

Posted by: Susanp at September 3, 2005 10:30 AM

Susanp-

Would you please share some of what you learned with the JW readers? It's always helpful to know the strategic situation.

Posted by: treehugger at September 3, 2005 10:48 AM

I completely agree with Timbo, not a week goes by when i've not been called a "Paki". After recent bombings BNP is on rise in the home counties, which is not their traditional domain.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at September 3, 2005 10:49 AM

"Some of the things he told me, and I am confident that he is credible, rendered me utterly speechless. If he is right, we have been sold out by our government and I mean our entire government, from the White House to Congress and every affiliated bureaucracy in between."

Posted by: Susanp

This is correct. The writing is on the wall. The ignored border with Mexico, the existence of CAIR, the war, ridiculous gas prices, record deficits, the push for multiculturalism in every Western land, etc. Does anyone really believe that the Muslims could be such a threat all on their own? They're being helped along by our own leaders, and it has been going on since the days of President Andrew Jackson.

The middle class of this nation and others is under assault. An assault aimed at destroying it.

I absolutely hate conspiracy theories, but these links demonstrate some issues that should raise concerns from everyone.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0961413506/103-1753987-4352666?v=glance

http://threeworldwars.com/

http://pushhamburger.com/

It would be nice for everything at these sites to be incorrect. Feel free to judge for yourself.

Posted by: DCWatson at September 3, 2005 12:14 PM

We must consider that we live in nations ruled by rational, codified law. We elect representatives to our legislative bodies to write laws we would favor if we were in their places. Those laws reflect our personal values and our aspirations as members of a general political body. The law, in its majesty, applies equally to all. Unless you live in Canada.

There the law is particular, arbitrary, and impotent. Take for example, the case of a young Sikh man who in a night of "street-racing" killed a woman by smashing his car into her. As it turns out, he should not be deported to India because after a couple of years of house-arrest it turns out that he's a "nice guy whose future would be ruined if he were returned to India." So, the law applies equally to all except nice guys. Or, if you're a woman who stabs your lover to death, that's different too. Two years of watching tv at home. Heroin addict? Well, heroin addiction is a medical condition, and one sure-fire cure for that happened nine times this week: someone broke into a pharmacy/chemist shop and stole a load of methadon, which the heroin users are injecting as if it were the low-level toxin they inject on a regular basis, which is to say nine dead bodies this week. It's your fault, you see, because we don't have enough "safe injection" sites staffed by health-care providers, such as the son of the Minister of Parliament who got the first one going in Vancouver. The law only applies to those who are stupid enough to offend the collective phantasy that Canada is a good place to be.

Legal exceptionalism is spreading to Ontario via sharia laws in family courts if the government has its way. And why not? If there is a mosaic llegal code rather than a Mosaic legal code, then why shouldn't Moslems have the right to impose sharia penalies on women in Canada? Besides, it's only "sharia lite." None of that bloody stuff, except in the privacy of ones home, like wife beating and FGM. And it won't apply to dhimmis either for a while.

In Canada, where multi-culturalism means ethnic community vote-blocs one must accept that Muslims make up the majority of constituencies in some ridings, and therefore, as a major vote-bloc they must get what they demand from their politicians. The law still applies equally to all except to those it doesn't.

If there are problems in the admimistration of justice, it's Bush's fault. If America hadn't done this or that, then everything would be fine. Goes without saying anymore. And so too does the right of ethnic communities pushing religious agendas such as the implementaion of sharia on women.

If it's good for Canada to have a multi-cultural expression of sharia in Ontario, then it must be equally good for British Columbia. And if it's good for them, then it must be equally good for the Netherlands, for Sweden, for Belgium, for France, Germany, and Italy. Yes, it's even good for Australia.

Some people, as devious no doubt as the next politician, are organizing protests against sharia in Canada. Thsose protests will take place on Sept. 8. in cities across Canada and Western Europe.

If you think law is universal and equally applicable to all, that women are entitled to equallity under the law regardless of sex or religion or place of origin, then you might like to add yourself to the demonstrations against sharia laws in Canada. If it happens in Canada, it will be cominf soon to a theatre near you.

For details, and more coming over the week leading up to Sept. 8, turn to the following announcement:

http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com

Posted by: sonofwalker at September 3, 2005 1:31 PM

Susanp:

How right you are! Our leaders are doing NOTHING to protect us; and don't intend to do ANYTHING, either! Ae they taking money for this, I wonder? For certain, too much money is being made on the backs of the Saudis.

Posted by: Mark at September 3, 2005 6:12 PM

With sadness and anger, i agree that our polititians are failing to protect our societies against islamic influence, and later domination.

The U.S. apparently is incapable or unwilling to control it's own borders; that makes it, ultimately, a write-off as an international power, and possibly as a nation or any sort.

If America cannot/will not control its borders, discussion of anything further is irrelevant.

As for Canada, unlike sonofwalker, i'm all for giving heroin addicts clean needles.
The Sikh car-murderer should have been on the plane back to India 10 minutes after the trial; that he was not is indeed due to the pandering of the politically correct and politicians trying to not offend large blocks of voting immigrants, and please remember that the judges are appointed by the politicians in Canada.

For countries that believe in borders, obviously not the U.S., stopping moslem immigration is an immediate requirement.

This period of years is not unlike the pre-WW2 era, when politicians refused to face up to the nazi threat, and numerous of the public, including many 'intellectuals' found much merit in hitler and the nazis.
The result was that, a relatively minor threat was allowed to grow till it truly was possible that it, the nazi empire, could not be stopped.
The cost of stopping the nazis, by the late date that we finally understood the truth, was obscenely high - was it 40 million killed ?

The cost of stopping islam is, similarly, rising by the day, and that is assuming that the Arab and Islamic Empire can be stopped.

Posted by: dby at September 4, 2005 12:14 AM

Susanp:

"Australia is just wishful thinking and hype, .."

Exactly.
No more, no less.

And what is this supposed to mean anyway: 'Extending the minimum two-year period.." That is just BS!

The Muzzies come in, somehow, get married or come on religious visas, and manage to stay.
And promptly go on the dole...

I know a lot of good people, highly qualified , Italians, Germans, Japanese, Romanians, Polacks, in fact many from the former East-block countries, who would give their eye-teeth to migrate here, and they are rejected without a second thought!

And the scum from the ME gets in!

Here, like anywhere else, the lame follow the blind. A lot of posturing and band-aids, but nobody is willing to do anything, not yet.

That will change with the next attack...

Posted by: Terminator at September 4, 2005 7:20 AM

Frankly, I'm surprised (and annoyed) it was only two years in the first place. I'm pretty sure my family had to wait five in the early 80s (which is really the sensible minimum).

Steps like extending citizenship waiting periods and other "tough talk" might not mean much _right now_, but it establishes a trend (especially a trend of acceptable public discourse) and makes it easier to enact more effective measures later (hopefully not _too_ late!).

Posted by: spect8or at September 4, 2005 9:05 AM

"I know a lot of good people, highly qualified , Italians, Germans, Japanese, Romanians, Polacks, in fact many from the former East-block countries, who would give their eye-teeth to migrate here, and they are rejected without a second thought!

And the scum from the ME gets in!"

SO GOOD, IT HAD TO BE POSTED TWICE!

Posted by: Timbo at September 4, 2005 9:22 AM

"I know a lot of good people, highly qualified , Italians, Germans, Japanese, Romanians, Polacks, in fact many from the former East-block countries, who would give their eye-teeth to migrate here, and they are rejected without a second thought!

And the scum from the ME gets in!"

SO GOOD, IT HAD TO BE POSTED TWICE

Mate, I was born here, so I got my Aussie passport easy whilst in the UK - however, if I had been born in England I doubt whether I would have qualified - even though I'm fit, with a good work record, etc. Then you see the Muzzie Third World garbage on the streets of Sydney, half of which are either unemployed or don't even speak English - and, well... what can I say? Your jaw drops in utter amazement! What moronic system is this? It's like the nation is slowly slashing its own wrists. Talk about digging your own grave!

They say Australia NEEDS about 100,000 immigrants a year for its growth, and so that is the modern intake. There must be 100,000 people in the UK alone who would gladly come over. Good honest people who would fit in and work hard, but no, why have a really simple, effective and happy solution like that when they can cause havoc instead by importing people from the ME?

Posted by: Timbo at September 4, 2005 9:40 AM

Timbo

Exactly!!!

If we in Australia really do need 100 000 immigrants, surely there must be 100 000 non- muslims who might wish to come here?

Better yet, 100 000 with anti-islamic credentials. What about 100 000 from anywhere in Northern Africa who have experienced what living with the sword of islam is really like - people from Ghana, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, the Balkans...wherever.

I couldn't give a rat's arse what colour these people are, they would give a great boost to Australia in many ways, not the least of which would be their first hand knowledge of islam. From what I understand, in North Africa, non-muslims place enormous value on the family unit, on education, and - curiously enough for those of living in the west - manners!

It would be a win - win for Australia, for sure.

Posted by: Anthony at September 4, 2005 11:31 AM

I'm not going to argue with that one Anthony

:-)

You're right, this is not a race issue.

Posted by: Timbo at September 4, 2005 11:45 AM

From the article

"We're looking at a whole raft of things," he told AFP. "Extending the time of permanent residency from two years to perhaps three or four is something that's being looked at.

Extending the time of residence is hardly the answer. What is required, is a requirement from future citizens, to show that their native culture is not hostile to the culture they wish to emmigrate to. After all, the London bombers were born and "educated" in Britain, and yet their native culture was and is, totally and actively hostile to Britain, and the West in general.

All else is secondary.

Posted by: DP111 at September 4, 2005 12:07 PM

"What is required, is a requirement from future citizens, to show that their native culture is not hostile to the culture they wish to emmigrate to."

Muslims can't show that. At least, they can't show that without resorting to cleverly sophisticated taqiyya.

We must simply come to the collective conclusion that Islam is a trans-national creed hostile to national loyalty and responsibility. As such, anyone who is a Muslim should be excluded from entry, as visitor or as immigrant, into a non-Muslim nation.

The requirement for entry should be to abjure Islam and to be subject to surveillance for an indefinite period of time after entry.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at September 4, 2005 12:40 PM

Dr Pepper posted: We must simply come to the collective conclusion that Islam is a trans-national creed hostile to national loyalty and responsibility. As such, anyone who is a Muslim should be excluded from entry, as visitor or as immigrant, into a non-Muslim nation.

I agree. However one has to go through the motions of being fair and all that. The law should be a general law, and appear fair and reasonable, and not prejudiced against muslims.

Posted by: DP111 at September 4, 2005 2:47 PM

Increasing the waiting period for citizenship won't do anything to help with our security or weed out undesirables. Citizenship for Muslims is a worthless piece of paper, a matter of convenience. Their only loyalty is to Islam, the Ummah.

That Abu Bakr was totally unashamed to say that jihad (the violent kind) is an obligation and to discourage Muslims from going overseas to kill Aussie troops in Iraq would be against Islam. He's also said that there are two laws - Australian and Islamic.

This is a quote from him: "I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate. The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, has to be Islam."

What would increasing the waiting period for citizenship do about this grub? Nothing. He's been here for more than 15 years. I believe a much better thing to do is strip the citizenship from these people, but unfortunately, as the article above says, that's been dismissed. The oath you say when you take citizenship says you will abide by Australian law, not Islamic. Basically, he lied. Therefore, his citizenship should be stripped. That's how I see it, but sadly not our government. So we're stuck with Bakr and others like him. He's on welfare, of course. Six kids and another on the way. That's why they come. He came on a visitor's visa, overstayed, was deemed unlawful, but married an Australian citizen and got a spouse visa. Few Muslims qualify the regular way. Most are illegal, and of no benefit to our country, just a massive burden, and future danger.

Posted by: feralee at September 4, 2005 10:29 PM

Sonofwalker:

Good luck on the anti-sharia demonstrations and better luck than last time. I attended the demonstration held last year at Queen's Park and the turnout was pretty miserable. About 75-100 people most of whom were Trotskyists (I'm serious) and reporter/spectators. I would guess about two dozen south Asians (Pakistani?) were present - about equally divided between men and women.

Posted by: johnb at September 5, 2005 8:34 AM

Did you hear that Sonof? You're going to have to team up with your local Trotskyists.

Posted by: Timbo at September 6, 2005 8:35 AM