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The dhimma resurgent, contrary to the contentions of some Muslim apologists in the US that it is a relic of history. From the Telegraph:
Christians in the Holy Land have handed a dossier detailing incidents of violence and intimidation by Muslim extremists to Church leaders in Jerusalem, one of whom said it was time for Christians to "raise our voices" against the sectarian violence.The dossier includes 93 alleged incidents of abuse by an "Islamic fundamentalist mafia" against Palestinian Christians, who accused the Palestinian Authority of doing nothing to stop the attacks.
The dossier also includes a list of 140 cases of apparent land theft, in which Christians in the West Bank were allegedly forced off their land by gangs backed by corrupt judicial officials.
From the birthplace of Christ at Bethlehem to the site of his Crucifixion in Jerusalem, Christian Church leaders have long been desperate not to upset the delicate ethnic and sectarian balance in the region by blaming either Jews or Muslims for the decline of their once robust religious community.
That self-imposed silence now appears to be crumbling.
"The problem exists," said Father Pierbattista Pizzaballa, Jerusalem's senior Franciscan, known as the Custos of the Holy Land. "The Christian community has always suffered in the last few years because we are a minority. Many have the temptation to leave, so the community is shrinking."
While he stressed that "we are not talking about a confrontation with all Muslims", he added that "we don't want to see violations of the law - sometimes we have to raise our voices".
Posted by Robert at September 9, 2005 5:51 PM
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'Palestinian Christians Are Not Suffering at the Hands of Muslims'..sez Raja Mattar, an Arab Christian..here taking issue with Walid Phares;
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story.php?sid=20050907225819607hares..
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at September 9, 2005 7:03 PM
OT. In France, MRAP, the anti-racism organisation which is merely acts as front for Islamists have finally gotten round to taking Philippe de Villiers to court for inciting racial hatred.
Philippe de Villiers, the right of centre leader of the MPF, in a live TV broadcast mentioned here
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/007185.php#comments
that Islam is the compost where terrorism grows. (He said Islam, not islamism) His TV appearance, which might as well have been scripted by Robert Spencer, so stunned the TV interviewer that she appeared to lose composure as he came up with unforgettable soundbites such as "World War Three" .. "One new mosque per week" .."Islamisation of France"
French courts are now well used dealing with the MRAP who regularly lose the 'incitement to racism' cases they bring to trial. Most famously, the case of Louis Chagnon, the high school history teacher who said Islam was a brigand and a thief, and the writer Michel Houellebecq, after he said that Islam was "a very stupid religion" during an interview in 'Lire' magazine.
The Philippe de Villiers case is however of far more significance, because of his potential bid for presidency. If Le Pen got to the second round in 2002, there is no reason why we would not witness see a Sarkozy/de Villiers round in 2007.
This coming election is as important as any to be coming up in Europe in the next few years. The UK has no Islamsceptic front running politicians and in a future election contest between the nice Mr Ken Clark or the terminally dull Gordon Brown, the only winner will be Islam.
While Sarkozy and de Villepin fight it out to see who can buy the most peace from the muslims, people look to Philippe de Villiers as a candidate who simply detests the islamisation of France. His campaign for the 'No' vote in the EU referendum bought him very much in the public eye and his views on family values would bring tears of joy to any US republican politician.
The media in France may not have the Mark Steyns or Boris Johnsons of the British media but in the realms of intellectual debate, I feel that they are streets ahead of anti-islamisation in comparison to their British cousins across the water.
A visit at the Virgin bookstore this evening on the Champs Elysées, shows to what extent expertise on Islam matches the knowledge you can find on this site. "Al Qaida Vaincra" by Guillaume Dasquié, basically says that Europe will lose. "Le Jour ou la France Tremblera" By Guillaume Bigot covers the same subject. There is more than one book exposing the Muslim Brotherhood and Tariq Ramadan.
Maurice G Dantec, whose latest science fiction on a post jihadic cyber nation, with Christianity being reborn in catacombs looks looks like being a bestseller.
If one had to choose whether Britain or France were the first to climb out of this mess, my vote goes to France.
Someome remind us how many Imams have been expelled from the UK since the 'rules have changed'?
Source http://www.france-echos.com/actualite.php?cle=6749
Posted by: Sebastien at September 9, 2005 7:20 PM
I visited Villers' Movement pour le France.
There was a poll there about turkey entering the EU.
Résultat du sondage
Etes-vous favorable à l'entrée de la Turquie dans l'Europe ?
Nombre Ratio
POUR 1749 5.47 %
CONTRE 30063 94.07 %
NSP 146 0.46 %
Against 94%. Now this is not scientific, but Straw's BS that his poll shows 63% in favor. Someone is lying, and I think it is Straw.
As for Christians in the West Bank, to think that in a decade there may be no Christians in the West Bank is sad. The West will shrug and move on with hardly a tear shed.
at September 9, 2005 10:58 PM
France? Whodathunkit?
at September 10, 2005 12:47 AM
I am not surprised at all. With their oil money the Arabs have funded the islamists' movement all over the world.
Indonesia, which used to be a secular country, is now in the hands of the Islamists, with a sitting duck president who is afraid of them. Persecution of Christians have become more and more frequent with the growing influence of the islamists groups.
Why isn't the government encouraging and support research in alternative fuel? Where is the private sector?
Posted by: jasmine at September 10, 2005 2:21 AM
I believe that, in general, the Palestinian Christian leadership has sided with the PA and viewed Israel as the problem. The Franciscans, at least from what I have read, have acted as good dhimmis, and blame Israel and give Muslims a pass. I don't believe that Christian church leaders sought a "delicate balance." They put the blame on the Jews. As a Christian, I feel bad for the ordinary people victimized by the PA. It will probably get worse. When there are finally no Christians left, and the Christian churches and shrines all boarded up, the Muslims will still claim victimhood, of lost tourism income and of another plot by the Zionists to make them look bad.
Posted by: maryrose at September 10, 2005 4:47 AM
Whenever someone says in my presence that he, or she, is a "Palestinian" I do not remain silent. I always immediately ask the same question -- "Are you a Christian Arab" or a "Muslim Arab" -- in order to demonstrate that the word "Palestinian" with all of its tendentious political freight has not been silently accepted but openly rejected. Furthermore, I wnat to indicate that whether one is a Muslim matters, and then, if the answer is "Christian," I question further to see if that person shows the attitudes of what should be called an "islamochristian," i.e. a Christian Arab who has identified so completely with the Muslims, whether out of fear or ethnic pride in Arabness that so often becomes (just as arabization and islamization being mutually reinforcing, Islam and the idea of being an Arab reinforce one another) adoption of, promotion of, the Islamic view of the world.
Among the Christian Arabs such as Hanan Ashrawi, it is too late to come to the realization that they have been exploited, and that "Arab Palestine" will have no place for Christians, even Arab Christians, except as tame promoters of the Arab cause. A safe haven for Arab Christians will exist only as long as Israel exists, and Arab Christians (many, but not all, Maronites recognize this; some, but few, Copts do) depend for their wellbeing on the ability of Israel to survive, and through Israel, for the West to continue to take an interest in the fate of the Holy Land, and in some (but not all) Arab Christians.
Possibly the Christians in Iraq, who have little future there, will leave for America, Canada, Australia. Possibly some should be invited to Lebanon, to shift the balance there, to keep Lebanon as a Christian refuge. Or, possibly, in Israel, where Christians are now safer, in the Infidel (Jewish) state of Israel, and their holy sites safter, than they have been for nearly a thousand years.
Posted by: Hugh at September 10, 2005 8:33 AM
Last weekend, the Christian village of Taybeh was ransacked and burned by a Muslim mob, incensed that a boy there had been seeing a girl from their neighbouring village of Deir Jarir.
Lest you get the wrong idea, however, the BBC's correspondent is at pains to stress:
This is not so much a battle between Christian and Muslim as one between Palestinian officialdom and tribal justice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4229136.stm
Yes, of course - Muslim oppression of non-Muslims is always some kind of inter-communal dispute, while the converse is a heinous crime about which Muslims have every right to be aggrieved.
The BBC is as complicit as anything else in facilitating the victim mentality of the jihadis.
Posted by: Effractor at September 10, 2005 1:21 PM
I just discovered this site while doing a Google search on Phillipe de Villiers. Thank you. I intend to be a regular reader and occasional contributor.
Posted by: jovan66102 at September 12, 2005 2:35 AM
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