As difficult for the West as it will be, I will shed no tears when Al Qaeda finally get their man.

In fact I will probably open an Old Speckled Hen or three.

Comments such as these should warrant us being "offended", as this type of remark has no place in Western democracies.

This is one ally I really think we can do without - nay, should do without.

Political expediency has got us into this current mess with Pakistan, & expediency like many other Western political traits has been interpreted as weakness.

Al Qaeda are welcome to Pakistan & its Nuclear Weapons -it will give our leaders a clear choice:

Fight Islam or Die.

Posted by: albion at September 19, 2005 9:52 AM

Even if this terrorist sponsoring general is right, just imagine: women are willing to get raped just to get out of that hellhole of a backward and savage country.

Of course, no one is willing to get raped by a savage muslim beast, and by making that disgusting statement musharaff demonstrated that he is a true muslim following the example of muhammad who treated women worse than his camels, who sold women into slavery, who raped women he captured during his murderous expeditions with his band of terrorists against peaceful, civilian villages.

Some "ally" we have against the war on "terrorism."

Posted by: US_infidel at September 19, 2005 10:39 AM

albion wrote:

"Al Qaeda are welcome to Pakistan & its Nuclear Weapons -it will give our leaders a clear choice:

Fight Islam or Die."

I feel the same about the house of al-saud. al-queda lacks the finesse of these greaseballs, and many Western whores will find their services no longer paid for.

Posted by: Infidel33 at September 19, 2005 10:55 AM

Musharraf's comments may not have been made with regard to Mukhtaran Mai, but rather a Pakistani woman doctor who was also a rape victim, currently living in the UK, who is asking to enter Canada as a refugee on a priority basis as she has family in Canada and not the UK.

Canada's immigration laws do not allow people to claim refugee status in Canada if they are already in a safe country. I have mixed feelings about this particular case. The doctor's supporters say she is doing poorly in the UK as she doesn't have the family supports to move on from her ordeal. I'm not sure how long she would have to wait to gain entry under normal channels. As a trained professional with kin in Canada, I'd guess it's a few years, but could stand to be corrected. If it is a long wait, then perhaps a ministerial permit on compassionate grounds would be appropriate.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 19, 2005 11:52 AM

Waterdragon... probably u didnt read it carefully..

That womens case may have been different, but then Mush is brazenly defending rapes. Moreover she didnt get herself raped to get into Canada.. did she?

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at September 19, 2005 12:17 PM

Vikrant:

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. The woman applying for refugee status is currently domiciled in the UK. She is asking to be treated as a refugee so she can enter Canada and recover in the company of relatives, rather than remain in the UK, where she has no connections. My point is that this woman may have some case to ask for expedited entry on compassionate grounds and the Minister of Immigration may do so. As for what Musharraf's up to... ...he's probably trying to suggest that claims of widespread rape in Pakistan are the product of bogus complainants simply seeking to short-circuit the immigration process. Maybe he's also taking a side-winding shot at Mai. So far as I know, she's not seeking refugee status anywhere, including in Canada, chosing to stay and fight. She is, however, campaigning abroad to muster public opinion in support of her cause and doubtless Musharraf would not welcome yet more pressure on how to run his country.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 19, 2005 1:16 PM

Waterdragon:he's probably trying to suggest that claims of widespread rape in Pakistan are the product of bogus complainants simply seeking to short-circuit the immigration process

You buy that prepostreous suggestion... instead of tackling the problem head on he seems to be more concerned with his countrys image. Now i see how mush has managed to play a Spin Doc for so long. Wake up waterdragon this guy is pukka ISI fella. i.e KGB flavoured with Al-Qaeda. One example of Mush's double speak. In March 99 Indian PM went to Pak for peace talks, Mush (then a General) goes on air sayin that Kashmir dispute can only b solved diplomatically... in April they invade Kashmir

Maybe this link will clear any lingering doubts at what Mush was upto.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4256218.stm

In the second half of the article, Musharraf is quoted as saying "You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a moneymaking concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped."

He made the comments in the context of a question about the treatment of high-profile rape victim Mukhtar Mai.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at September 19, 2005 2:13 PM

Vikrant:

I don't "buy" the suggestion. I say that's what Mussharef is hoping we in the west will buy into, that there's no problem there, just as we will buy the idea that Pakistan's military and secret police never aided and abetted the Islamists, and that A.Q. Khan won't go on providing anyone willing to pay him enough with the means of producing atomic weapons and that Khan was operating without the Pakistani government's knowledge.

Sorry if I gave you the impression that I am without sympathy for Pakistani women suffering at the hands of the Islamists. That's hardly the case. I'm only suggesting that the Pakistani doctor in the UK doesn't quite meet the definition of refugee applicant simply because she's in a safe haven. Had her flight from danger and harassment taken her initially to Canada and not the UK, she would certainly, without question, have been accepted as a refugee whose life is in danger.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 19, 2005 2:54 PM

Well considering that Musharaff himself was going around raping, and if he wasn`t his men were, during the formation of Bangla Desh this filth from the Master of Taqqiya who has well mastered his Koranic Concept Of War:

At this moment of crisis, what the world needs is clarity, not obfuscation. Fortunately, we have a lucid explanation of Jihad and terrorism by one of the founding fathers of modern terrorism, the late General Zia-ul-Haq, former president of Pakistan. He sponsored one Brigadier Malik to produce an authoritative military manual on Jihad called The Quranic Concept of War.

In his laudatory foreword to the book, General Zia wrote:

“JIHAD FI-SABILILLAH (Jihad in the path of Allah) is not the exclusive domain of the professional soldier, nor is it restricted to the application of military force alone. The book brings out with simplicity, clarity and precision the Quranic philosophy on the application of the military force, within the context of the totality that is JIHAD.”

Indeed it does. Brigadier Malik writes,

“the Holy Prophet’s operations …are an integral and inseparable part of the divine message revealed to us in the Holy Quran. … The war he planned and carried out was total to the infinite degree. It was waged on all fronts: internal and external, political and diplomatic, spiritual and psychological, economic and military.”

Posted by: leavingtheleft at September 20, 2005 4:25 AM

Musharaff`s Feast
Case Study:
Genocide in Bangladesh, 1971
In her ground-breaking book, Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape, Susan Brownmiller likened the 1971 events in Bangladesh to the Japanese rapes in Nanjing and German rapes in Russia during World War II. "... 200,000, 300,000 or possibly 400,000 women (three sets of statistics have been variously quoted) were raped. Eighty percent of the raped women were Moslems, reflecting the population of Bangladesh, but Hindu and Christian women were not exempt. ... Hit-and-run rape of large numbers of Bengali women was brutally simple in terms of logistics as the Pakistani regulars swept through and occupied the tiny, populous land ..." (p. 81).

http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Posted by: leavingtheleft at September 20, 2005 4:28 AM