Perhaps this little fool should read Jihad Watch, as more and more of his Muslim brothers are being arrested in the US for their lying, their plotting, and their stealing.

What an ignorant little fiend.

Posted by: DCWatson at September 30, 2005 8:26 AM

Apalling but not surprising. Rescind the job offer immediately. What a disgrace and slap in the face to the NYFD.

I hope Karen Hughes gets wind of the "video and news reports widely disseminated in the Muslim community." She needs some more education about what she is up against.

Tell me again why the US needs immigrants from Saudi Arabia with degrees in islamic theology and law? They help our country how?

Posted by: kelley at September 30, 2005 8:44 AM

Sorry, the guy is from Guyana.

So why doe the US needs immigrants from Guyana - or anywhere, for that matter- with degrees in islamic theology and law? Clearly, their loyalties are not with this country.

Posted by: kelley at September 30, 2005 8:47 AM

"...Habib, 30, a soft-spoken man who immigrated to New York in July 2000 after spending six years in Saudi Arabia getting a degree in Islamic theology and law."

I wonder what consitituted the coursework for this "degree"?
Let's see, there were at least several classes devoted to "Jewish Conspiracies- Past and Present"; "Crimes of the Jews", "Crimes of the Americans", "ZOG: the Truth of the American Government"," Allah's Chosen People- the Palestinians", " Jihad, a responsibility or an obligation?", etc.

Posted by: MJ at September 30, 2005 9:06 AM

Osama Bin Laden:

Trained as an Engineer.

His family is in construction.

The reasons the Towers fell are well documented Engineering facts - not theories.

http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/wtc.php

May I suggest that anyone here at DW / JW who lives in New York, take this matter up with the Mayor.

This Saudi trained "Holy Man" deserves an eduction in the basics of Engineering principles, at the very least.

Who hired this 9/11 Denier for the NYFD?

Posted by: albion at September 30, 2005 9:47 AM

an "education" in use of the spellchecker for me....

Posted by: albion at September 30, 2005 9:50 AM

Rush, rush like Dustin Hoffman in The Graduate to the church to stop the wedding in progress, to that swearing-in. Firemen are very good at rushing -- cant' they rush in, a half-dozen or dozen of them, veterans of the Jihad-attack of 9/11, and demand that this man be prevented from becoming part of the Fire Department, paid by New York taxpayers?

Stop it. But if you get to the event too late, then keep the pressure up. It ought to be an issue in the city elections, the state elections, the federal elections. Can such a person hold a public office? Answer: No.

Posted by: Hugh at September 30, 2005 9:50 AM

OT, but "A Proud Muslim" posted this a while back around Sept 27th or so in the thread about Mel Brooks (comic genius) and the one after it:

A PROUD Muslim: "You, retard Jews, are the ones taking and not giving. Do not you know the humor about you being the bloodsucking psycho gays and lesbians? You are doomed to be vampires, sucking the resources of the whole world to your so-called fucking dreamland."

"Oh, Adolph Hitler my love!! Where have you gone?!!? I bet you couldn't get to heaven because you didn't finish these spoiled Jewish vampires, who think they are the masters of the world and everyone else are their PETS and SLAVES."

It makes for fascinating (if revolting) reading.

Enjoy, or not.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at September 30, 2005 10:08 AM

Re: "An imam slated to be sworn in Friday as the second Muslim chaplain in Fire Department history..."

And just why is this hiring necessary and if so, why hire someone who has spent six years in Saudi Arabia "studying Islam" or more precisely, Wahabiism?

Posted by: johnb at September 30, 2005 10:08 AM

More essential reading for NYPD's New Holy Man

http://architecture.about.com/library/weekly/aawtc-collapse.htm

Posted by: albion at September 30, 2005 10:31 AM

& more.

I direct the honorable gentleman to scroll down this page to view "Responsibility"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks

Posted by: albion at September 30, 2005 10:34 AM

& still more...

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3354

Maybe this guy should get a new DVD & Newspaper supplier. Obviously that dodgy geezer in the robes down the Mosque who supplies his NY Muslim community just has fantasy conspiracy titles to sell.

This idiot must be stopped from being employed by the NYFD.

As with those who deny the holocaust, those who deny Al Qaeda's & Islam's involvement in 9/11 should be publicly villified & humiliated in court - not given a cushy job with the brave chaps & lasses at New Yorks Fire Department.

We cannot allow them to rewrite the truth, or even to cloud the truth with regards to Islams absolute guilt on 9/11.

Posted by: albion at September 30, 2005 10:47 AM

Six years in Saudi Arabia getting a degree in Islamic theology and law ought to be enough to have a man placed on the no-fly watch list.

Posted by: Anthony at September 30, 2005 10:54 AM

Are you kidding! Let him stay. Can you imagine this guy spending a week living in close quarters with New York's finest. Heh.

Posted by: NowThatsIronic at September 30, 2005 11:02 AM

Instead of more scrutiny and less appeasement and acceptance, radical muslims and their rabid clerics are being legitimized almost with fervor around the nation. Why?! How much more f*&#ing stupid and blind can the multiculturalist morons get before they have a collective epiphany?!

See: www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19658

Mr. Raymond does an excellent job of explaining what ails Western intellectuals and the masses they have influenced with their self-loathing, nihilistic attitudes. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19658

Posted by: Susanp at September 30, 2005 11:10 AM

I'm with Albion on this. New Yorkers should be up in arms over the hiring of a Wahabbi "chaplain" with such qualifications and known sympathies for any department.

Who the h*ll made the hiring decision here? What on earth were they thinking?

Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 30, 2005 11:15 AM

Why do we need muslim chaplains anyway? If anyone needs to hear about hate and murder and destruction, they can go to their armory, I mean mosque.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 30, 2005 11:24 AM

The mayor's e-mail:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mayor.html

He did the right thing with the so-called Freedom memorial at Ground Zero. I hope he will do the right thing here too. What's Guiliani's e-mail address?

Posted by: kelley at September 30, 2005 11:28 AM

One other question that comes to mind is just exactly to whom in the FDNY this imam is going to be extending his services. If in fact the man is a "good muslim", about the only thing he can do with those of a non-muslim faith is try to proselytize, and if they don't convert, they are to be ignored (at best), or dhimmified, or killed - Wahabbi belief doesn't have much leeway there for what most Americans think of as a chaplain's role.

Just unbelievable.

Posted by: Walker Colt at September 30, 2005 11:42 AM

He has resigned!

An imam slated to be sworn in today as the second Muslim chaplain in Fire Department history, instead resigned after making controversial remarks on the Sept. 11 attacks in an interview with Newsday.

“The Fire Department this morning received the resignation of Imam Intikab Habib from his position of FDNY Chaplain,” said FDNY Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta. “Based on comments he made to Newsday, Imam Intikab Habib would have been unable to
effectively serve in the role he was appointed to.”

http://www.michellemalkin.com/

Posted by: MJ at September 30, 2005 11:48 AM

Great, he resigned. But now the next guy will know to keep his mouth shut and not say stupid, inflammatory things. What will NYC do about determining who the heck they are hiring? What questioning and investigation should they be conducting for muslim chaplain? How to know if the candidate is lying to you or not? (Or one could ask, why a muslim chaplain at all?)

Posted by: kelley at September 30, 2005 11:54 AM

What does a firefighter know from Jihad? They are helpers of the weak and endangered thus too tolerant. Jihadist snakes can easily slither through

Posted by: dennisw at September 30, 2005 11:57 AM

Anyone willing to give me odds in a CAIR instigated Employment Discrimination suit to be filed on behalf of this Jihadi?

Posted by: MJ at September 30, 2005 12:00 PM

I am happy to know that the Imam is gone. I am still left with questions. Just how many Muslims are working as NYC firefighters? Enough to have their own chaplain? Are they demanding, as so many Muslims are doing, separate prayer rooms at the fire stations? And, what if my house is burning, and a number of the firefighters can't respond immediately because the call comes at one of their prayer times? I would ask the same questions if a police department had a good number of Muslims on the force. I am not asking these questions in a cynical way. This is a real concern, given all of the items on JW about how the Muslims push the observance of their prayer times in the work place and how employers are giving in to them.

Posted by: maryrose at September 30, 2005 12:10 PM

Hmp. I keep waiting for KT to come along and explain why we're getting this wrong. It may be a while, however: I heard he got trampled in the rush by some ANSWER members during sheehan's autograph session at the rally last weekend.

Posted by: Gary at September 30, 2005 12:30 PM

Hakim Braxton, president of the Islamic Society of the FDNY suggested Habib.
I've suggested Braxton and his associates be investigated. (In email to FDNY Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta)
Better safe than sorry...nudge, nudge, wink, wink...

Posted by: bad technician at September 30, 2005 12:37 PM

hired and fired fox has been reporting that he resigned after a sit down with top officials

Posted by: jimmytheclaw at September 30, 2005 12:44 PM

I'm glad this fellow is gone. However, I would like for him to answered some questions:

Were the passengers on the aircraft all actors?

Was the video depicting Osama Bin Laden boasting about planning the attacks simply a publicity stunt for his contracting company?

Was Fr. Mychal Judge, the NYFD chaplain killed when the WTC collapsed (and a little closer to my definition of a "martyr" than Mohammed Atta), part of the conspiracy as well?

Surely the individuals screening for this position can select people suitable character, an't they, or is there some sort of conspiracy afoot?

Posted by: Chatillon at September 30, 2005 1:09 PM

It might be useful for us to understand that Muslims have such a level of disengagement with the West, and so much immersion in the propaganda which forms the glue of their "ummah" that they ACTUALLY BELIEVE these hysterical and preposterous "theories" about the West... They are brainwashed, much like in a cult -- This is especially true for converts, but the more fervently one adheres to Islamic teaching, the more likely one is to be a thrall of all Islam entails...

If you convert -- you typically change your name to an Arabized one -- if you're born into this "religion" then you're exposed from the beginning to a diet of anti-semitism, and now an increasing diet of hatred-of-the-West-- The thralls of Islam are constantly bombarded by a relentless stream of invective agains "non-Islamic" cultures and practices -- told that all the world's ills, and especially their own are caused by evil Jews and Westerners who hate them and want to thwart their pious Islamic goals of world domination... What an evil brew of hatred, disinformation, and vile mind controlling lies...

In stricter versions of Islam they require specialty diets -- often consisting of mainly carbohydrate fare and often vegetarian -- This is a well known method among mind-control cults to exert influence among their adherents... The moonies and rajnish and other cults forced their adherents to eat similar "vegetarian" fare -- with mind numbing blank-eye results...

Incessant interruptions of the adherent's daily activities to "pray" to Mekkah -- 5 times a day, no less -- This is a classic way to exert mind control over followers and reinforce the doctrines of the belief system... Islam is a classic cult, with a billion thralls and growing...

Posted by: jsla at September 30, 2005 1:31 PM

If a Muslim chaplain must be hired, let it be a Black Muslim, for one assumes that most of the few Muslims in the NYFD are black Muslims. Or let him be an Ahmadiyya Muslim or a Sufi Muslim, as mystical or whirling-dervishy as they come. Possibly a Bosnian, of the kind that, in imamic terms, is about as Muslim as Emir Kusturica. Surely someone can be found. Why not construct a school to train ex-Muslims who would already be familiar with Islam, then given new identities, trained up to be imams, and sent around the country to infiltrate, as imams, various mosques. And those imams, those sheep in wolves' clothing, will be the perfect people to keep tabs, knowing all they knkow, about those who go to their mosques who, after all, are not so much a flock of sheep themselves, but more often a pack of wolves who wear just enough sheep's clothing to get by.

Possibly this has already been put into operation by Homeland Security. Perhaps they really do possess the diabolical cunning necessary. But I'm afraid they may not -- and then what?

Posted by: Hugh at September 30, 2005 1:35 PM

maryrose:
http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/bronxbeat/2001/050601/muslim0506_01.shtml
As of 2001, there were 12 muslims.

The Islamic Society of the FD and The Vulcan Society pushed for the hire of a muslim chaplain...they fought against the first hire of the FDNY...apparently they had someone else in mind.

Both of the above groups protested the hire of former NYC Police Office E. McMellon, the officer who was cleared of wrong doing in the death of the muslim man, Amadou Diallo.

Posted by: jawa at September 30, 2005 1:58 PM

Stephen Schwartz for Imam of the NYFD, eh, Hugh?

Just kidding, but I certainly see your point. As I asked above, who the helll approved this hiring and what were they thinking. Even the anti-regime change peanut gallery that cheered on George Galloway at the Hitchens/Galloway debate at Baruch College earlier this month were most unappreciative when Al-Gallowi told the crowd that responsibility for 9/11 rested with Americans.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 30, 2005 4:04 PM

CAIR is the reason that the NYFD has to have a muslim chaplain.
http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=365&theType=NR

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 30, 2005 4:54 PM

No, not the sufferer from Weiss-Schwartz Syndrome, who it appears will now be publishing something in a future New Criterion about Anthony Blunt. I am waiting for that article, waiting to see what he can possibly write of value about Blunt's 2-volume work on Poussin, and the thin, but thick book on literary theory in Italy in the 16th century. Now, why do I suspect that these will not be the focus of his article which will be something entirely predictable, about the totalitarian temptation, and Cambridge, and picnics on the Backs, and the Bridge of Sighs, and homosexual romps, and the New Left Book Club and Victor Gollancz and all the rest of the rewarmed cliches that always come up when Burgess, McLean, Philby, or Blunt are written about? No doubt Schwartz will have some stuff about the Trahison des Clercs, with today So Very Much Like the 1930s, and so on and so predictably forth. Have the editors of The New Criterion lost their senses? Have they no sense and sensibility, about his blunt banality? Well, they will find out.

No, my candidate for Muslim chaplain would be, as suggested above, an ex-Muslim, still willing to feign being a Muslim, and I think that a brigade of such people, unknown to each other of course, should be quietly infiltrated into all sorts of official positions. They would, of course, have themselves to endure the company of real, still-believing Muslims -- but in order to prevent the Western world from succumbing to the very belief-system that so appalled and distressed them that they simply had to jettison it (and it takes a lot of bravery, for one faces everything from a kind of social death to physical death, for open apostasy).

Posted by: Hugh at September 30, 2005 4:58 PM

jsla.... fine post it read like poetry/

Posted by: dennisw at September 30, 2005 8:32 PM

No, my candidate for Muslim chaplain would be, as suggested above, an ex-Muslim, still willing to feign being a Muslim.

Hugh's Moriarty did bring up an interesting, potential conundrum: how are we to know whether an ex-Muslim is not practicing taqyah?

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at September 30, 2005 11:12 PM

"how are we to know whether an ex-Muslim is not practicing taqyah?"
-- from a posting above

The problem is not new. It is the same problem one had during the Cold War with those who claimed to be Soviet defectors. Were they real, or were they double agents? Many were real, some were deliberate plants. James Angleton was fixated on the subject, as he had a right to be.

In other words, the existence of a problem of distinguishing does not vitiate the value of the real defectors. And they are perhaps not quite so hard to distinguish from the false ones, becuase it is much harder, I have come to believe, for Muslims who have not really jettisoned Islam entirely to refrain from giving off slight hints of their attachment. Those who are like Ibn Warraq and Ali Sina make so many statements critical of Islam, are so good at taking it apart top to bottom, and their distaste for it reinforces their obvious disbelief. And what is more, their statements all cohere; tout se tient. But of course there is the problem of the false defector.

And right now there is a more pressing problem: the problem of Muslims in government jobs, either making policy, or interfering with the making of correct policy, or just by being present at the meetings where policies are being made, are able to inhibit free and open discussion of Islam, and what should or could be done about the world-wide Jihad, and those who believe, in ways big and little, in the justness and rightness of spreading Islam until it covers the globe -- or at least preventing Infidels from learning too much that might disturb them, and cause them to be more cunning, imaginative, and relentless in their counter-attack.

Posted by: Hugh at October 1, 2005 12:31 AM