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I just received this email from a regular reader of Jihad Watch, with whom I have corresponded often in the past:
I am rather upset this wonderful morning in NYC. I arrived this morning at a Catholic retreat sponsored by Pax Christi at the NYU Catholic Center. The retreat was titled "Peacemaking Beyond Ourselves, Beyond Our Borders with Francis and Claire." It was led by Kevin Queally, TOR. The day was to focus on St. Francis, his outreach to others, including a Muslim Sultan during the Crusades.As I proceed to look at the literature handed out, I noticed that there was the schedule, complete with the Morning Prayer for all to recite. To my disgust, the very first opening prayer was "Your Holy Names" in God has no religion, adapted from "Salat” by Hazrat. Pir-o-Murchid Inayat Khan of the Islamic tradition!
It starts off rather benign, “Most gracious God, Messiah, and savior of humanity,” blah, blah, blah. But then, it says the following:
“Allow us to recognize You in all your holy names and forms...Let us know you as Abraham...as Jesus, as Muhammad, and in many other names and forms.”
Am I to place Muhammad on the same moral plain as Jesus Christ? Am I not essentially praying to Muhammad?
I don't see a prayer to Muhammad here, but it does seem from this that in their haste to assume dhimmi status, these people have deified Muhammad (as well as Abraham), thereby guaranteeing that they will not win the friendship, but only the ire, of any pious Muslim.
Then the prayer card Pax Christi handed out had at the top, a title, as follows in descending order the following:Muslim
Jewish
Christian
______Prayer for Peace
Now forgive me, but assuming I am in a Catholic organization in a Catholic church, why is "Muslim" included at the top of the list? Even simple alphabetizing dictates it should be in the reverse order: Catholic, Jewish, then Muslim. Again, Islam is given a position of supremacy for no obvious reason.
But it gets better. On the tables they were selling shirts with the word "peace” in Arabic first, then Hebrew, then English at the bottom.
But the most insulting thing was a wooden medallion featuring a crescent, a Star of David in the usual position of the Islamic star and a small cross in the very center of the arrangement. Sort of reminds us again that Islam has us in its "embrace," eh?
The pamphlets were titled as follows: "What families need to know about military recruiting in high schools and colleges"; "Conscientious Objection and the Military"; and "Military Families Speak Out."
This whole morning seems to have been one big ecumenical fuzzy thinking affair with Muslims swooping in to have us dhimmis promote their agenda.
Oh, but imagine my shock and horror to discover upon going down the stairs to the basement of the NYU Catholic Center, which is I presume a Catholic Church, to find an ISLAMIC CULTURAL CENTER!
It is basically a mosque with prayer rugs and pictures of Mecca and all the rest. It is a fairly large sized room at the foot of the stairs in the Catholic Center. In front were all sorts of Islamic pamphlets, magazines, etc. I picked one up: a magazine called "Aftab." In it were various articles and poetry related to Islam. Aftab is "An NYU Muslim Student Publication."
Get a load of this poem by Asad Jawed inside, indicating how much at home NYU Muslims feel with their mosque in the basement of this church:
Iftar At The IC [the Islamic Center in the basement of the Catholic Center]mix and mingle
make yourself tingle
feel real fine
praise Allah subhanna wa' ta ala, the devine.
thompson street 238 [This is the address of the NYU Catholic Center]
iftar at the ic, no doubt about it.
midterms, projects, job interviews; everything is a scatter,
and we congregate at sunset, no matter.
maghreb adhaan, admist dunya turbulence,
a moment of sweet solemn silence.
last nite joy tonight greenhouse, tomorrow nite crownfried, nothing for leftovers.
zakaat,tarawih, tahajjud, a month of makeovers.
a month of saum, seeking gardens green,
all preparing for yawmi alddeen.
brothers and sisters, iftar at the ic, all together,
a community, special like no other.But another article, "Muslim Heritage: Al-Andalus" by Dalal Kanan, takes the cake. In addition to the usual nonsense about the marvels of this Muslim utopia, there is this:
The Muslims could not abandon the people who had been living in a state of strife and oppression. The Christians and Jews welcomed this (the invasion led by Tariq bin Ziad) since, as dhimmis, they were allowed to enter the fields of government, science, medicine and literature and were afforded the protection of the state with payment of the jizya tax.This in the spring 2005 issue of Aftab, in a basement mini mosque/Islamic cultural center at the NYU Catholic Center.
At this point I walked out before the event even started. I could hardly contain my anger at both the NYU Catholic Center and the Pax Christi people who were using their facilities. I intend to demand my money back.
In reference to Muslim Spain, Christians and Jews lived in harmony with Muslims only as inferiors. Historian Kenneth Baxter Wolf notes that the Muslim conquerors imposed new laws "aimed at limiting those aspects of the Christian cult which seemed to compromise the dominant position of Islam." After enumerating a standard list of the laws restricting dhimmis -- no building of new churches, no holding authority over Muslims, distinctive clothing, etc. -- he adds: "Aside from such cultic restrictions most of the laws were simply designed to underscore the position of the dimmîs as second-class citizens." If Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived together peaceably and productively only with Christians and Jews relegated by law to second-class citizen status, then al-Andalus has precisely nothing to teach our age about tolerance.
But even worse in all this is the silly New Age syncretism at NYU. They don't even get Islam right in their anxiety to affirm it. And they clearly have no idea that at least some of the Muslims they are trying so hard to to include in their limp, squishy prayers to Everyone and No One will not appreciate the gesture, but will only take it as a sign of weakness and non-resistance.
Posted by Robert at October 1, 2005 2:13 PM
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I consider myself a social liberal and have always held a certain contempt for the political inclinations of Eveangelical Protestants but so help me God, this is the only faction of the Christian world willing to tell it like it is about Islam. Catholics, mainline Protestants and the Orthodox Church are all thoroughly infected with psychological dhimmitude.
Jesus Christ may have been a pacifist, but he wasn't an enabler of transgressors.
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at October 1, 2005 3:11 PM
the orthodox as well? thats news to me. i have always found them (especially the copts) utterly uncompromising in the matter
Posted by: freddiefreeloader at October 1, 2005 3:24 PM
What does the hierarchy of the Catholic Church intend to do about this travesty? Anything? What will they do about the use of the Catholic Center, or Kevin Queally, a name and a person both leaving me queasy as well as uneasy.
Of all the Christians, the ones most guilty of shirk, in Islam the horrible crime of polytheism (not God alone, which would be monotheism, but Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) are Catholics. They are the worst kind of Christians in Muslim eyes, because closest to, or even guilty of, polytheism (shirk). Like other non-Muslims, they have a choice: death, conversion, or that status of subjugation, with a life of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity, known to Muslims, and now to us, as the condition of being a dhimmi.
The disgusted participant did a good job of reporting here. He should do so elsewhere, all the way up the chain of authority in the Catholic Church. This kissing, based on wilful ignorance, has to stop.
Posted by: Hugh at October 1, 2005 3:30 PM
What does the hierarchy of the Catholic Church intend to do about this travesty? Anything? What will they do about the use of the Catholic Center, or Kevin Queally, a name and a person both leaving me queasy as well as uneasy.
Of all the Christians, the ones most guilty of shirk, in Islam the horrible crime of polytheism (not God alone, which would be monotheism, but Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) are Catholics. They are the worst kind of Christians in Muslim eyes, because closest to, or even guilty of, polytheism (shirk). Like other non-Muslims, they have a choice: death, conversion, or that status of subjugation, with a life of humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity, known to Muslims, and now to us, as the condition of being a dhimmi.
The disgusted participant did a good job of reporting here. He should do so elsewhere, all the way up the chain of authority in the Catholic Church. This kissing -- so demoralizing to non-Muslims, so encouraging to Muslims with their many-pronged assault on every area of Western life, exploiting whatever weaknesses -- in the judicial system, in the official cult of Tolerance, in the credo-quia-absurdum willingness to believe, despite all the evidence, a treacly version of Islam that hides all the naughty, the naughty and murderous bits -- has to come to a full stop.
Posted by: Hugh at October 1, 2005 3:32 PM
The sin of 'shirk' is the sin of idolatry. All Christians are, de facto, 'shirkers' because of their faith in Jesus, the 'image and likeness' of God.
I can't understand for one moment the deference Catholics pay to the faith of Muslims who regard, for example, the Trinity as 'an abomination', and who believe that St. Paul invented Christianity, despite the fact that no serious scriptural scholar believes so - the Islamic view of Christianity comprises Muhammad's exposure to a Byzantine heretical sect and an medieval scriptural forgery. Islam is a religion born from ignorance and lies: no wonder it breeds ignorance and prejudice.
Posted by: Turbatio at October 1, 2005 3:56 PM
freddie,
Their name notwithstanding, the Copts are not part of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Having said that, the Coptic Church in Egypt has itself been thoroughly infected with dhimmitude in their attempts to mitigate the depredations afflicting them.
Meanwhile, at least one former Orthodox Priest in Palestine (may have been the Patriarch himself, though I'm not certain) publicly endorsed suicide bombing as a legitimate means of resistance against "occupation."
You can't be more of a dhimmi than that.
Posted by: Cornelius at October 1, 2005 4:26 PM
Hearing stories such as this, it truly breaks my heart. The full on Dhimmitude displayed by our religious leaders is Heretical. The laws of our Church are constantly being undermined by those who would seek to preach their perverted doctrine to a congregation still attempting to come to terms with the recent scandals.
Pope Benedict will have a harder job getting rid of the pro-islamic priests, as they have wide support from their Liberal congregation. Those Catholics that would accept that Jesus is the same as Allah, will most assuredly place
their souls in mortal danger, as for any priest preaching this blasphemy, he has sold his soul to the dark one. This is unfortunately no aberration, look to Europe, the occupation of Catholic Churches in Belgium etc…
Inter-faith dialogue, in it’s present form leads to only greater gains for the Jihadis at C.A.I.R and their primitive ilk spread throughout the world. If our religious leaders choose to forget about the suffering of tens of millions of
innocent people, whos only misfortune was to be born in countries where Islam reigns, it does not mean that we ever will, nor should we. Islam is on the march, unlike the past it does not appear that our priests have the same belief in
The Lord God, which their predecessors possessed. The Catholic Church throughout it’s History has treated Islam with the Hostility it most assuredly deserved. Pope John Paul 2 made far too many concessions to Islam, it would
appear nothing has changed
at October 1, 2005 4:48 PM
In the Catholic Center's link, they fail to mention that there is an Islamic Center in their basement.
What a shame. Just look at how beautiful this church is:
http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/HolyTrinChapelNYU.html
http://www.nycago.org/Organs/IMAGES/HolyTrinChapelNYUInt1.jpg
Sadly, they state that their primary purpose is:
"...to engender in the students the life and holiness of Jesus Christ."
http://www.nyu.edu/pages/catholic.center/index.html
Now how can this possibly be? If they see nothing wrong with playing host to Christianity’s millennia arch-enemy, Islam, one can only conclude that there is something seriously out of order with their capacity to reason.
By the way. The Catholic Center is seriously strapped for cash:
http://www.nyunews.com/news/campus/6357.html
How long will it be before they move out and the Catholic Center becomes an Islamic center? The Moslems are furiously pushing forward with plans to build a permanent Islamic center for NYU.
http://www.icnyu.org/masjid/Mission_Masjid_Brochure.pdf
Pretty discouraging for our side.
"A scorpion, being a very poor swimmer, asked a turtle to carry him on his back across a river. "Are you At least I'm true to myself mad?" exclaimed the turtle. "You'll sting me while I'm swimming and I'll drown."
http://www.snopes.com/critters/malice/scorpion.htm
God help us.
Posted by: Anthony at October 1, 2005 5:43 PM
Remember in WAR OF THE WORLDS, the good one with Gene Barry, not the ridiculous remake, where the Martians have landed and the minister decides the best thing to do is approach the aliens with a Bible in his hands and a prayer on his lips? I think he said something noble like "We're all God's creatures." Then the Martians vaporized him.
Posted by: Whistling Dixie at October 1, 2005 5:52 PM
Whistling Dixie:
You're right.
But it was worse than that. It almost more correctly resembled the movie "Invasion of the body snatchers."
Speaking of Dixie, here is a song I just heard on the radio:
http://ynucc.yeungnam.ac.kr/~bwlee/lyrics/thndixie.htm
"Like my father before me, I'm a working man
And like my brother before me, I took a rebel stand
Oh, he was just 18, proud and brave
But a yankee laid him in his grave
I swear by the blood below my feet
You can't raise a Cane back up when he's in defeat"
Now that's the sort of defiance we need today!
Posted by: Anthony at October 1, 2005 5:58 PM
The Catholic Center at NYU:
http://www.icnyu.org/masjid/images/islamic_center.jpg
Posted by: Anthony at October 1, 2005 6:04 PM
Check out Wolf's work at:
http://libro.uca.edu/martyrs/martyrs.htm
at October 1, 2005 6:13 PM
"They are the worst kind of Christians in Muslim eyes, because closest to, or even guilty of, polytheism (shirk)." (from a posting above)
Actually, the Orthodox Christians are slightly more guilty of shirk, in that they have, ever since the Filioque controversy in the 11th century, traditionally emphasized the distinctions between the Three Persons more than Catholics have. I doubt, though, that Muslims care about such distinctions among Christians, let alone among the Persons of Christianity's God. It is enough that they are not Muslim.
PS: ("Orthodox" should be spelled with a capital O to denote the Eastern Christian Church, while "orthodox" spelled with a lower case oproperly denotes all Christians (including Catholics and Protestants along with the Orthodox but excluding those that are heterodox, e.g., Unitarians, Christian Scientists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, et al.) who follow the Nicenoconstantinopolitan Creed)
Posted by: Dr. Pepper at October 1, 2005 7:00 PM
Real tragedy.
So many people who are ignorant of Islam will see this and think that if the Catholics have no objection to honoring Islam no one else should object to Islam.
There is some small hope. Orianni Fallaci had a private meeting with Pope Benedict XVI. Benedict is a brilliant man, I think that he understands the threat of Islam to Christendom. She undoubtedly expressed her alarm at the growth of Eurabia.
Unfortunately, the Roman Catholics have allowed a great deal of heresy to run rampant in America. It will take alot to remove this type of activity from the RC Church but it must be done.
As to Orthodox those branches with members of Arab descent are more likely to apologize for Islam. If you associate with the Greek Orthodox, the Serbian Orthodox or the Russian Orthodox the picture changes. These people have current or fresh memories of terrible persecutions and don't have any illusions about Islam.
Posted by: Athena at October 1, 2005 7:01 PM
Has the Christian Church forgotten it: martyrs? Has it forgotten Sudan? As is often the case the Catholic Church is on the side of the oppressors those with power isn't that the histoery of the clergy to be often on the side of the oppressor? With few exceptions now a lot of christians are for the homosexual a wealthy minority in the USA.How hard it is to stand for the truth.
Posted by: mark52 at October 1, 2005 7:37 PM
I spent one year at NYU and many hours in prayer at the Catholic Center. The Dominicans working there in 1989-90 were truly wonderful men and the sisters working in the food kitchent and other social ministries were saints. The Church itself is even more beautiful and peaceful than the photographs can show.
I must say that this breaks my heart beyond all belief. What used to be an oasis from the turmoil and temptation of New York City must now be shared with those who hate us beyond any words that I can ever find.
My fiancee, who grew up Catholic in Iraq, could better than I share the stories of how much Muslims hate Christians, how they would back away from her - a ten-year old child - and act as if her smell was too much to bear. And now we must share the Holy of Holies - the Real Presence of Jesus Christ - with them.
I would not feel comfortable or at peace sharing worship space with the Muslim community.
The only grace I can see if that perhaps God is calling us to suffer even deeper persecution, even to the point of inviting that persecution into our midst. "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." Mt 16:24b-25.
What else could it be?
at October 1, 2005 7:49 PM
Hugh says: "The disgusted participant did a good job of reporting here. He should do so elsewhere, all the way up the chain of authority in the Catholic Church. This kissing, based on wilful ignorance, has to stop."
Yes. Robert, you must convince your friend to carry this forward.
This heresy must be rooted out, or the church will be diluted into nothingness. The Christian churches have at their core the principle that "Jesus is THE light and the way" and all that smarmy egalitarianism among the various religions is simply not Christian.
Of course, getting rid of the heretics will be harder than getting rid of the queers (although there is undoubtedly a lot of overlap), but it will have to be done.
Posted by: texan at October 1, 2005 7:52 PM
Hey Hugh, quit hitting your enter key twice, would you???
Pain in the ass reading you twice.
at October 1, 2005 8:04 PM
Hey el greco, I'm certain if you dig deep, you'll find something intelligent to say.
Posted by: Anthony at October 1, 2005 8:15 PM
Right on Dr. Pepper.
Catholics are down there with the Hindus.
Are you Catholics ever going to stop your modern ass-kissing and cowering?
If not, you deserve what is coming.
at October 1, 2005 8:16 PM
But we all have to be nice, don't we? If you ask these people, I will guarantee that they think islam follows the 10 Commandments. Understand, please...islam does not worship the same God as Jews or Christians. islam does not belong in the same building as any Christian church.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at October 1, 2005 8:19 PM
I'm curious: To whom did the Muslims apply the title Messiah? Jesus? or Muhammad. If the latter, it would be a remarkable innovation in Islamic doctrine.
The application of the title Messiah to Jesus by Islam (as in Isa al-Masih) while claiming a final, post-Messianic prophet in Muhammad is one of the things which shows a profound intellectual and spiritual confusion deep in the heart of original Islam. It seems as if Islam was a kind of 7th century theological liberalism (highly contextualized, altered to fit the hearers misconceptions, etc.), down to an awareness of the sociology of religion (the Jews and Christians at loggerheads over whether M'shiach had come or not) coupled with a dismal ignorance about how the Old and New Testaments are related.
Posted by: Kepha at October 1, 2005 10:25 PM
Tonight at the evening Mass that I attend, we prayed for a successful completion of the holy seasons beginning for the Muslims and the Jews. And, then I got home, turned on the news and heard of the latest bombings in Bali....a nice way to begin Ramadan. I wonder how many more bombs will explode and how many people will be slaughtered by the people of the "religion of peace" during their "holy season."
Posted by: maryrose at October 1, 2005 10:35 PM
Perhaps Robert's friend that e-mailed him about the New York Catholic Center with the Islamic Center adjoining it, could pass the information to William Donahue of the Catholic League. He might be able to make some waves about this. The theology in the prayers that he sites is terrible, to the point of being heretical as far as church teachings are concerned. That should not stand and people should be accoutable for its contents.
Posted by: maryrose at October 1, 2005 10:44 PM
Kepha,
Most Muslims, I think, believe that Jesus was the Messiah who foretold the coming of Mohammed, and then will reappear at the Last Days to fight the Anti-Christ (the Dajjal) and after defeating the Dajjal, will go to Jerusalem to proclaim to the world that he (i.e., Jesus) is not the Son of God.
Posted by: Dr. Pepper at October 1, 2005 10:52 PM
Anthony,
'The Night they Drove Ole Dixie Down' is indeed an American classic...written by Robby Robertson, a CANADIAN!
Posted by: Cornelius at October 1, 2005 11:08 PM
What gets me real upset is that these dhimmi Catholics probably didn't serve kosher catered food during the intermission.
The nerve!
:p
Posted by: Shy Guy at October 1, 2005 11:50 PM
Here is a comparison of Jesus of the Bible and the islamic Jesus.
http://www.bereanbeacon.org/Muslim_Jesus_vs_Biblical_Jesus.html
at October 2, 2005 12:00 AM
Robert,
Slightly off subject and with due respect for your friend, but if he were to find Catholic Church to attend he could avoid these dhimmis. May I suggest he check out
http://www.latinmass.bravepages.com/
for Churches in his area where the Catholic Faith is taught, not "warm & fuzzyism"!
at October 2, 2005 12:10 AM
OT>
I can easily read thru a whole page of multiple Hugh postings.Avidly looking for anything he might have changed....
Hugh Fitzgerald's posts are my binding cement that helps to illuminate and clarify the massive reams of info I find myself digging thru.
A#1....... top o the heap.......and the foundation at the same time.
I am not just kissing ass.
I try to illustrate that Hugh Fitzgerald is not "just another poster on a blog".But a very usefull instrument in clarifying the issues.
And worth reading time and again.
Thanx everyone here,and keep up the good work.
at October 2, 2005 12:15 AM
The Catholic Church in America has been steadily devolving into a left wing social activist organisation for decades now, so this latest outrage isn't really so surprising. The American Catholic leadership needs really needs to be threatened with excommunication.
Posted by: spect8or at October 2, 2005 12:28 AM
Cornelius
How about that! According to his bio Robbie and his band was noticed by the great Bob Dylan and is a legend in his own right.
"One of the premier songwriters of the rock era, Robbie Robertson was born July 5, 1943 in Toronto, Ontario. The son of a Jewish father and Mohawk mother..."
http://theband.hiof.no/band_members/robbie.html
at October 2, 2005 12:29 AM
Anthony,
Hell of a guitar player....but then again, what is a guitar player but a glorified technician; Robbie's great talent was as a song-writer (I feel the same way about Hendrix, and he's arguably the greatest guitarist ever). I love the down-home, understated nature of Robertson's lyricism...truly contrarian to the flower-power, etheral stuff so prevelant in the late 60s.
Yes, Dylan and the Band had a symbiotic relationship. I saw them as an impressionable teenager in '74. Robbie obviously learned a great deal as a song-writer from his mentor, though he's been quoted as saying he didn't like Dylan's style of lyrical obscurantism.
'The Night They Drove Ole Dixie Down' is Robbie's greatest song...(with the possible exception of 'Down on Cripple Creek'). Interestingly, he initially had a verse in it about Pres. Lincoln, but his drummer and lead-singer Levon Helms, a good ole boy from the deep south, talked him out of it, insisting it wouldn't resonate with a Southern audience.
'The Last Waltz' was The Band's final concert. It can rented at any video store. I highly recommend it. There are a plethera of guests including Neil Young, Eric Clapton, Joni Mitchell, Neil Diamond, Dr John, Sam Morrison, Ronny Hawks and the great Bob Dylan himself...who performs a memorably raucous medly.
Posted by: Cornelius at October 2, 2005 2:53 AM
>What a shame. Just look at how beautiful this church is:
>http://www.nycago.org/Organs/html/HolyTrinChapelNYU.html
>http://www.nycago.org/Organs/IMAGES/HolyTrinChapelNYUInt1.jpg
Eh, Gothic cathedrals are "beautiful churches"; this monstrosity looks like the inside of a juke-box, and the outside of a tackle-box. -- The architect's soul is almost certainly Hell-bound.
I'm not surprised it's losing its faithful.
at October 2, 2005 4:42 AM
Burrowing into the bowels of the Catholic Center is a way to get in the door. This is how it begins. First, the appearance of ecumenical and shared worship. Then it begins.
Westerners, not used to being muscled, especially not inside their own religious institutions are sitting ducks. Very slowly, they will be eased down to the basement and the Muslims will occupy the top floors.
Posted by: epg at October 2, 2005 6:16 AM
Yes, you're right, the more you give in, the more you are despised. It's like a child that has never been told No or taught any boundaries. Eventually, you turn out a monster.
Posted by: londongirl at October 2, 2005 6:31 AM
Cornelius:
It’s actually Ronnie Hawkins (not Ronny Hawks). He is a fascinating person, born in Arkansas, he eventually formed a band called the Hawks. I’m not sure how he ended up in Toronto and he is a great story teller, a real good old southern boy (I say that in a positive meaning). To hear him tell the story, the music business was competitive as hell in the U.S. in the 1950’s and the band arranged a gig in Toronto. At the time Toronto had a reputation as a very straight laced boring city and when Ronnie arrived, found out the band had no competition. I think they played at the Horseshoe Tavern (I may be wrong on that) and, to hear Hawkins tell the story, they had found the “promised land”. He is a great story teller remember. He still lives in the near Toronto complete with the long gray hair and beard. His real claim to fame is that he hired and trained a series of excellent muscians including the future members of “The Band”. They played every night, plus a lot of practice, hence Hawks became very proficient.
See: http://www.ronniehawkins.com/
"At the age of nine, his family moved to nearby Fayetteville. After graduating from high school, he studied physical education at the University of Arkansas where he formed his first band, "The Hawks," touring with them throughout Arkansas, Oklahoma and Missouri. His band helped launch such talented artists as Levon Helm, Rick Danko and Robbie Robertson. Hawkins owned and operated the Rockwood Club in Fayetteville where some of Rock music's earliest pioneers came to play including Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins, Roy Orbison and Conway Twitty.
Known for his early work with "The Band," he is most often referred to as Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins or "The Hawk." In 1958, he went to Canada where he made Peterborough, Ontario his permanent home. For the past 40 years, he been performing all over North America and has recorded over 25 albums. His best-known hits are "Forty Days" and "Mary Lou." His 1984 LP, 'Making It Again', garnered him a Juno Award as Canada's best Country Male Vocalist. Playing with The Band, Hawkins helped tear down the Berlin Wall in 1989 and performed at President Bill Clinton's 1992 inaugural party. In addition to his music, he has also become an accomplished actor hosting his own television show "Honky Tonk" in the early 1980s and appearing in such films as Heaven's Gate with his friend Kris Kristofferson and Hello, Mary Lou: Prom Night II.
October 4, 2002 was declared "Ronnie Hawkins Day" by the city of Toronto when Hawkins was inducted into Canada's Walk of Fame in recognition of his lifetime contribution to music and his generous support of the Schizophrenia Society of Ontario and other charitable organizations. Ronnie Hawkins was inducted into the Canadian Music Industry Hall of Fame at the Canadian Music Industry Awards on March 4, 2004."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Hawkins
Posted by: johnb at October 2, 2005 8:53 AM
Hey, has no one noticed that the sponsoring organization is Pax Christi??? 'nuff said for any orthodox Catholic. And hey I'm a Catholic convert and on my car I have the following bumper stickers:
Defeat Jihad
Exclude Dhimmitude
and
I AM NOT A DHIMMI
Keep the faith!
Posted by: miasarx at October 2, 2005 10:26 AM
Interesting stuff John.
Hawkins sounds like a real character. In the 'Last Waltz' he sings 'Who Do You Love' and does a killer job of it.
Robbie Robertson was definitely the heart and soul of 'The Band'. Helms, Danko and Manuels were all fine vocalists (particularly Helms), but the songs themselves came from Robbie...his creative genius. Again, it seems so paradoxical because Robbie was indeed a Canadian, but his work came off as so quintessentially American...Southern rock at its best.
Posted by: Cornelius at October 2, 2005 11:46 AM
This is incredible & outrageously stupid. But don't just stew, you can complain to the director at
http://www.nyu.edu/pages/catholic.center/bios/mcguire.html
click on "site comments"
or contact the Vatican & Pope via email address at http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/laity/documents/rc_pc_laity_pro_17031998_en.html
Posted by: Odysseus at October 2, 2005 9:57 PM
This sounds like the well-meaning but misguided attempt at "bridge building" between religious communities. However, in order to build a bridge, one needs firm footing on both sides of the span in order to support the weight of the structure and its traffic load. Otherwise, one ends up with a plank cantilevered out over the water...just like a diving board.
Do the people at the NYU Catholic center understand that they may be building a bridge to nowhere? While extending a hand in friendship is part of a worthy Christian's make-up, Jesus himself (the real one, not the Muslim one) cautions "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves" (Matthew 10:16). And while Jesus encouraged his followers to pray even for those who do them wrong, he didn't suggest that the victims facilitate the wrong-doers.
"Love thy neighbor as thyself" doesn't mean getting rid of boundaries, nor does it mean "being nice." It means being willing to face up to the truth, both in one's own life and as a witness to life in general, including his neighbor's. So, if your neighbor is on a path to destruction, it is no charity to anyone, him least of all, to praise and facilitate him in the name of multiculturalism.
So, if you're the praying kind, pray for all of humanity, including Muslims, so that we can understand the meaning of "free will" and respect it in ourselves and others.
Thus endeth the sermon. Time for a beer.
Posted by: Chatillon at October 3, 2005 6:23 PM
Well said Chatillon. Have one for me.
Posted by: texan at October 4, 2005 12:29 AM
If 'ohommed ( i love decapitating him, seems so right ), is to be considered as a 'holy name 'in this society, we have totally lost our bearings.
Christ, Buddha, maybe, but 'ohommed, never.
Posted by: dby at October 4, 2005 2:59 AM
wow, great discussion, and some words of the Bobster that are very relevant, from the song "Precious Angel"
My so-called friends have fallen under a spell.
They look me squarely in the eye and they say, "All is well."
Can they imagine the darkness that will fall from on high
When men will beg God to kill them and they won't be able to die?
Sister, lemme tell you about a vision I saw.
You were drawing water for your husband, you were suffering under the law.
You were telling him about Buddha, you were telling him about Mohammed
in the same breath.
You never mentioned one time the Man who came and died a criminal's death.
Shine your light, shine your light on me
Shine your light, shine your light on me
Shine your light, shine your light on me
Ya know I just couldn't make it by myself.
I'm a little too blind to see.
at October 6, 2005 3:55 PM
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