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The author of a novel entitled The Mosque of Notre Dame de Paris, which may be closer to coming true than most people realize or would like to admit. "Window on Eurasia: Russian Novelist Does 'Not Want to Live in a Moscow Caliphate,'" from the UCSJ: Union of Councils for Jews in the Former Soviet Union, with thanks to Ruth King:
Elena Chudinova, the author of the already notorious dystopian novel "The Mosque of Notre Dame de Paris," says that she would rather live in a Russia controlled and garrisoned by the Americans than in a Moscow where the Russian Federation's own Muslims have established a caliphate.In an interview published in the current issue of "Politicheskiy zhurnal," Chudinova said that if Russia were occupied by the Americans – something which she does not like to contemplate -- she and other Russians "would again compose anecdotes, start up samizdat – and live just as we did under Soviet power" (http://religare.ru&print21594.htm) [Note: link doesn't seem to be working -- RS].
But if the Muslims were to succeed in establishing their own rule in Moscow, she continued, then Russian culture, Russians as a people and Russia itself would cease to exist. And because that danger is not unthinkable, she said, she had written her novel calling for a struggle against what she says is the Islamic threat to the Christian world....
The former children’s book writer insisted that recent events in Europe and elsewhere had proven once and for all that "a dialogue between our civilizations [Christian and Muslim] was impossible," and that all attempts to promote it, however well-intentioned, were doomed to complete and total failure....
Muslims, she insisted, even moderate ones like the Tatars and Bashkirs, increasingly are drawn to radicalism by the Internet, an institution that has undermined traditional Islam and give the radicals the chance to propagate their views and win over those Muslims who had opposed them.
She added that the Russian Empire had been much too tolerant of its Muslim subjects and had allowed them "freedom" of religious belief, a tragic mistake for which the Russian writer said contemporary Russians are now "paying for and one she implied should be corrected by a much harsher policy now against the country's Muslim citizens.
Russians as a cultural community must defend themselves, she insisted, by defending their culture and, together with other Christian nations, fighting off the Islamic challenge that threatens the Russian world and the Christian West.
Doing so will not be easy, Chudinova said, because only a relatively tiny share of Russians are in fact committed Orthodox Christians. But at the same time, she indicated that a committed minority could make all the difference, winning over the country's intellectuals and thus putting Muslims on the defensive.
At the end of her interview, Chudinova ringingly asserted that for her "only one thing is important: I read Dostoyevskiy and listen to Rachmaninov and I want people living fifty years from now [to do the same]. I speak Russian and I want them to speak it too," something she said that could be guaranteed only by struggling against Muslims now.
Posted by Robert at October 16, 2005 6:35 AM
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Dont see why she can`t be like the UK which is willing to give up on `winnie the pooh`.
Or the French who are now into mosque building to improve their GDP.
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at October 16, 2005 8:56 AM
After all Putin is bringing the hordes in.
Posted by: leavingtheleft at October 16, 2005 8:57 AM
Perhaps its time Putin took more notice of the authoress Elena Chudinova, abandoned the antisemitic dogma and prejudices which have plagued Russia and Europe, much to their eternal shame, and realised that Russia's enemies are Muslims and not Jews. Despite centuries of antisemitism and pogroms, Jews haven't carried out any terrorist atrocities in Russia, in stark contrast to the brutal calling cards of Islamists in the shape of the Moscow theatre siege, Beslan, the airliner bomb and the shooting spree last week (MESSAGE TO PUTIN: "THESE ATROCITIES WERE CARRIED OUT BY MUSLIMS AND NOT JEWS!!!!" - ARE YOU READING ME PUTIN? - "THESE ATROCITIES WERE CARRIED OUT BY MUSLIMS AND NOT JEWS!!!!" - FINALLY GOT IT, HAVE YOU???), but I'm sure that if I were a Russian Jew, I might be tempted to think "Let the Islamists carry out these atrocities until the penny finally drops and the antisemitic scales fall from the eyes of the Russian hierarchy". In Russia, antisemitism dies hard, just like everywhere else in Europe, and during the course of this century, the people of Europe will pay a massive price for their persecution of Jews and cravenness towards Muslims, and as a Spanish journalist put it - "We murdered six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims, and exchanged culture for the fanaticism of the suicide bomber". At the end of the day, if Europeans and Russians believe they can placate Islamists by simply being antisemitic, they've got a very rude awakening coming.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at October 16, 2005 9:17 AM
I just do not understand WTH is going on in high places. You would think Putin would be fighting islam tooth and nail, but he is assisting Iran with nukes. Bush is cozy with KSA, therefore we fight this war with one hand tied behind our back. I guess I see things to be good or bad...black or white. There just seems to be too much behind the scenes ass-kissing. I don't want to believe in some wild conspiracy theory, but why won't the feds be straight with us?
Posted by: Carolyn2 at October 16, 2005 12:18 PM
I know that Hugh does not agree with me, but in re this story from Russia it needs to be repeated once again: secular humanism and the moral degeneracy that comes with it and the repudiation of Judaeo-Christian values will not be enough to defeat the enemy of Islam. Only a return to a robust Christianity (& Judaism) will. The culture of the West comes from Jerusalem and, to a lesser extent, Athens. Until we reutrn to those roots it's all over.
May God help us all.
Posted by: miasarx at October 16, 2005 12:35 PM
Do you know that Russia could have become Islamic, if not for a quirk of fate?
When deciding which religion to choose, one of the Russian Czars actually prefered Islam to christianity, but when he found out that alcohol was banned in Islam (he enjoyed his liquor), he decided that christianity would be the state religion of Russia instead.
Posted by: Voltaire at October 16, 2005 1:19 PM
We need a christian Europe and a christian Russia, we need more western children and less anticonceptives, we need to survive, the reason isn´t enough, it´s necessary the sacrifice.
Posted by: Franze at October 16, 2005 2:12 PM
Miasarx ~
Unfashionable to say so, but said with fine style.
I think Trifkovic put it like this: "Where God retreats, Allah advances."
(And don't forget Sparta.)
Mad Jack
Posted by: Mad_Jack at October 16, 2005 2:56 PM
Miasarx's comments are a bit simplistic. In this epochal struggle against Islam, modern Western secularists have to join with those still actively inspired by the West's underpinning of Judaeo-Christian values. As Oriana Fallaci said of the ground from which she opposes Islam: she is a "Catholic Atheist". Please remember, you Judaeo-Christians: the Muslims also don't like the "moral degeneracy" of modern Western secularism.
Posted by: Dr. Pepper at October 16, 2005 3:17 PM
"secular humanism and the moral degeneracy that comes with it..."
-- from a posting above
The only speech given by Ibn Warraq on the subject of his repudiation of Islam was sponsored by the American Humanist Society. No college or university affiliated with a religion has offered him such a forum. Prometheus Books, which has published so many important books (the last one being "The Legacy of Jihad") is supported by those who believe in "secular humanism" and "the moral degeneracy that comes with it." Ibn Warraq himself, Ali Sina, Azam Kamguian, Irfan Khawaja, Anwar Shaikh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Pim Fortuyn, Theo van Gogh, Oriana Fallaci no doubt would prefer not to be described by others, but if one insists on labelling them (I don't) possibly the phrase "secular humanism" would come to mind. What would not come to mind as following that phrase, as the light the day, that "moral degeneracy that," you insist, "comes with it." I'm not sure what constitutes "moral degeneracy" but I'd prefer any of those who might be described as secular humanists over the truest believer in Islam, and anyone exhibiting the features of the fervent True Believer can be cause for worry.
Posted by: Hugh at October 16, 2005 3:36 PM
Voltaire, had Russia been Islamic, there probably would be no europe left to speak of today.
I heard somewhere that they chose Greek Orthodoxy over Catholicism because they loved the music and the Tsar didn't like playing second fiddle to the pope.
at October 16, 2005 6:54 PM
In 1914 there were those in Russia who thought they could seize and hold Tsargrad (Constantinople). At the time Constantinople was full of non-Muslims -- nearly 50% of the population (now non-Muslims constitute 1%). Had Russia done so, had it also seized all of the small European part of Turkey, things might have been very different. So while it is horrific to consider a Russia that had never thrown off the Tartar yoke, it is perhaps pleasant to consider a Russia that during World War I had managed to seize Constaninople and keep it for a Russia that might also have managed, with the popular pride in the prize of Tsargrad, to keep the Reds at bay.
But it was not to be. Neither the Allies nor the Russian liberals, nor the best members of the Romanovs, fully comprehended the sinister Lenin (though Mark Aldanov came out with "Lenine" in 1919, in French, which limned him as he was). For the full folly of the period, read the "Memoirs" (Vospominaniya) of Bunin, the memoirs of Count Witte (2 vols. in Izd. Slovo), the 2-volume work by the French diplomat Paleologue (they don't make French diplomats like that anymore, not since Jusserand in Washington and then St.-John Perse wherever he was -- didn't his American admirers get together and buy him an island off the coast of Maine, so he wouldn't have to worry about his old age. Say, where are admirers like that when you need them?), two books of memoirs by one of the grand dukes-- the worldly and charming and intelligent and nicely turned-out author of "Once a Grand Duke" and "Always a Grand Duke" with photographs of Livadia, and palm trees, and keen observations on the royal mess and the military mess. There are also lots of memoirs left by the eyewitnesses: Kerensky himself, Pavel Milyukov, Joseph Gessen (Hessen), and by others who lived through those horrifying days when members of the Provisional Government -- Shingaryov and Kokoshkin -- were taken from their hospital beds and murdered by the Bolsheviks, along with a few million others, that period which chronologicaly falls between Father Gapon and another product of the seminary, Papa Joe, tamada-in-chief of the whole drunken bardak.
Posted by: Hugh at October 16, 2005 10:45 PM
Hugh, under my view, Miasarx is basically right in this respect: humanism --the correct one, not the flawed and amoral one we can find in the transnational movements-- is a Judeo-Christian development, deeply rooted in the Biblical concept of a benevolent and just Creator. To illustrate this point, in example, you may read the following book
"WorldPerfect: The Jewish Impact on Civilization", by Ken Spiro,
http://tinylink.com/?wXmqXEp002
(amazon.com)
Almost naturally, the author is completely aware of the worldwide jihad and what it represents:
"Worlds In Collision" (mp3 file)
ms://ra.colo.idt.net/simpletoremember/misc/Ken_Spiro-WorldsInCollision.mp3
at October 17, 2005 6:21 AM
(correction:)
"Worlds In Collision" (mp3 file)
mms://ra.colo.idt.net/simpletoremember/misc/Ken_Spiro-WorldsInCollision.mp3
at October 17, 2005 6:23 AM
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