"the government has already poured about $40 billion into the deprived neighborhoods"

With nothing to show for it

Posted by: Sebastien at November 15, 2005 6:56 AM

Perhaps Jimmy Carter could be of assistance, after all he is an expert on malaise.

Posted by: KingTesticle at November 15, 2005 7:18 AM

Today’s Extras on Jihad’s 5th Column:

Juan Cole and the Decline of Middle Eastern Studies (but the continuation of Indoctrination on Campus):
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20182

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20187

Posted by: Gary at November 15, 2005 7:28 AM

Well, the hot news from the UK is that the British Taxpayer is being "ordered" by the EU to pay £85,000,000 to France to further assist its regeneration of inner city slums.

Thank God that all of Englands slums have gone & been replaced by socialist utopian enclaves where immigrants do not have to bother with all that integration nonsense & live happily, free & content at the heart of the infidels lair.

I never thought I would see the day when the nation of France signed on to Great Britains "generous to a fault" benefits system.

Posted by: albion at November 15, 2005 8:42 AM

Charity is always an expensive band-aid. The solution is a healthy economy, but that requires a hospitable culture on the part of those who would wish to benefit.

Posted by: Benjamin at November 15, 2005 9:09 AM

Chirac: "We will construct nothing durable without respect. . ."

Well, two problems right off the bat: 1) Islam is not about constructing things (except for mosques and nuclear bombs) and 2) Islam does not respect anything but Islam.

Posted by: Stendec at November 15, 2005 9:18 AM

Albion, during Chirac's speech on TF1 last night, my wife and I were trying to work out when and where we should riot to get extra money to pay for the christmas presents for the kids.

Well seeing as my country of birth is being extra generous, I better go and burn down the Town hall, now where was that Molotov coctail...

Posted by: Daffersd at November 15, 2005 9:18 AM

Daffersd

Indeed

The tyres on my Jaguar are looking a bit threadbare - maybe setting fire to a few disabled people on buses will get those evil politicians into the right frame of mind to buy me a new set?....

Posted by: albion at November 15, 2005 9:23 AM

While being humourous about the above, I can tell you that both my wife and I were swearing at the TV, to the amazement of the Kids, the only thing I could do to stay calm was to focus on those amazingly sincere eyebrows that emphasise every point that our beloved Preseident says. I have to say though, he does not look at all well.

I expect in 2007 a huge vote for Le Pen, well damnit I might do it myself, never thought I would vote for a racist, but if its that or surrender to Islam, Le Pen has my vote, what a fucking awful choice to have to make!!!

Posted by: Daffersd at November 15, 2005 9:24 AM

Oh... and that's after a column by Hugh urging infidel nations to LEARN from each other! Couldn't Chirac learn from the U.S., its minorities, and the failed policy of the Government to "empower" them?

Tsk tsk.

Posted by: US_infidel at November 15, 2005 9:45 AM

Actually now that I get called a racist all the time just because I am a white European who believes in the rule of law and our secular democracy, who believes that thugs, killers, rioters and drug dealers as well as terrorists should not be treated as victims, believes most importantly that it is what the individual thinks and does that is important, then I might as well start acting like a racist..., like I said voting for a racist in 2007 will be my first step in being a racist, what the hell! Excuse the rant, but it seems that this is our only choice!

Posted by: Daffersd at November 15, 2005 9:46 AM

Daffersd

Its a real dilemna in Western Democracies - who do we vote for?

Whilst the BNP say all the right things about Islam, actually turning out to vote for them would be historically very difficult for me, even as a protest vote.

Also, having classed myself as English rather than British for so long it would also bother me greatly to vote for a party with "British" in its name.

The BNP / racist angle is interesting for me in the context of the UK's political landscape. In the UK, it is illegal to form a political party with racism as a central policy of the party. You certainly cannot stand for an election or even distribute political material if it breaches Race Relations Law - & quite right too.

So in effect the BNP are a legitimate, democratic party - or they would not exist as they do within the law. The dangerous times we live in do call for dangerous solutions - I just wish the "undertone" of racial hatred was not there with them - hence giving others who do not mind the "British" in the party's name a choice & a chance for a protest vote. Lets face it, no other political party is speaking the whole truth where Islam is concerned - as we know it.

The debate in the UK now about the Tory leadership - a great email is going round proving that no matter who leads the Tories out of the two, Islam will win & win big with both.

Both are appeasors, both are soft.

After Camerons speech on Islam a couple of months ago, where he stated that an "evil perversion of Islam has appeared over the last 100 years" he got a 6 page email from me in response - with links to JW & DW & to the ROP website listing all Islamic terror attacks since 9/11 & proving beyond a doubt that Jihad as an ideology is central to Islam - not a recent historical perversion.

I got a reply welcoming my "well researched input", with not much else in way of acceptance of the facts presented, let alone any substance on tackling the threat.

If Le Penn gets a massive swing vote, I think a voter free fall to the right all across Europe is in the offing. Maybe this would be a good thing - scaring the bejeezus out of the liberal / socialist social engineers that have so badly messed things up in England, Britain & Europe.

Reading your posts on a regular basis it is obvious that you are not a racist.

Regards
Albion

Posted by: albion at November 15, 2005 10:17 AM

They could pay them to clean up the mess they made in the riot. Somebody is going to have to do it.

Posted by: f.g. at November 15, 2005 10:23 AM

Albion & Daffersd,

I'm not sure whether U.S. history provides a guide to the EU, but in the late 1960s, when we were still struggling with the issue of segregation, the governor of Alabama, George Wallace, ran for president. He was an avowed segregationist who had a strong and loyal following. Wallace was famous for blocking a schoolhouse door to prevent a black student from entering. Moreover, a lot of moderates who were frustrated by things happening in the U.S. voted for him in 1968 as a protest. He received about 10 million votes and won a couple of southern states. Fortunately, Wallace lost, but the political establishment understood that his support reflected a lot of discontent with government. In 1980, Ronald Reagan was able to channel that discontent in a non-racist way to victory in the presidential election. Hopefully, Le Pen and BNP will eventually give way to a Reagan-like figure who will introduce concepts such as personal responsibility and individual initiative to Europe.

Posted by: Howard, Fine & Howard at November 15, 2005 10:35 AM

Daffersd,

Phillip de Villiers said that he would run in 2007 and he is opposed to Islam.

By the way ererybody, I'd like to apologise for the stupid posts that I posted recently. Sometimes I don't think clearly.

Posted by: Voltaire at November 15, 2005 11:00 AM

Albion,

Thanks for the post, and the perspective on the BNP, I have come to the conclusion that we are in a no win situation. I think there is a way back from a Right wing dictatorship, but no way back from Islam.

That reply by Mr Cameron is so typical, I suppose.

I don't think that Chirac was being fair, French people generally are well qualified, these rioters are not, who will employ them when they do not have the qualifications for the job. I am aware of people being declined due to their name and where they live and I think that is wrong, but its as wrong as a a manager having an (two in fact) Arab employee call you a racist and make a throat cutting sign when you tell him that his work rate is not up to speed. Its experiences like that that also cause problems. But of course we are not allowed to mention that, its all our fault!

English, I see myself as English rather than British, I made that distinction when I realised how much the Scots generally hated us.

Regards

Daffersd

Posted by: Daffersd at November 15, 2005 11:02 AM

Voltaire, Thanks, I should have thought about Philip de Villers, yes you are right, he is definately opposed to Islam and is certainly not a racist. I wonder... Regards Daffersd

Posted by: Daffersd at November 15, 2005 11:07 AM

Give them more stuff. That will fix the problem...You cant buy off Islam unless you submit first. If you dont submit, they will take the stuff, but wont keep any promises. Since Islam ownes everything by the blessing of Allah, French submissions means an Islamic Republic of France. Anything short of that is not submitting, so the problem will continue to cause problems. Look how much money the west and world have given to Islamic countrys over time. You cant count the billions. How much of that money actually accomplished the purpose it was intended for? Look at the jillions Arafat alone rat packed away. Do you hear any reports of anyone looking for this cash or finding it?...lets give em more...lets give em training programs and make accountants out of all of them.
Just remember that they will hate you untill you convert. They will hate you less if you submit as a dhimmi and pay the tax. Otherwise, they will use what you give them against you, and work against you, untill you are forced to submit anyway...so by all means give them more, especially if you entertain suicidal ideas.
Feeding the monster untill it grows large enough to eat you, is either suicidal or very stupid...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 15, 2005 12:35 PM

"Since 2000, he said, the government has already poured about $40 billion into the deprived neighborhoods that have erupted in arson and violence..."

and we all see what this deplorable level of underfunding has yeilded...

If France would simply commit to dumping the same amount that has been poured into Saudi Arabia in the same span of time ( apporximately $1.5 trillion ) they might end up with a similarly stable situation -- And who knows -- ? It just may be possible that huge oil deposits will be then be discovered under these newly established Muslim regions!

Posted by: jsla at November 15, 2005 12:36 PM

Hmmmmm. I wonder: Will the government build ME a new home, buy ME and new car, and pay for MY re-education if I decide to riot, burn down my home, destroy my car, and those of my neighbors, and neighboring businesses so that none of us can make a living?? I don't think so? Why then, should the government of France, or any nation, cave in and reward these people for behaving badly?

Get ready for more of this in Europe and other Western countries.

Posted by: epg at November 15, 2005 12:37 PM

I think there is a way back from a Right wing dictatorship, but no way back from Islam.

EXACTLY SO

Your grandchildren may wonder why a country could follow a right wing dictatorship and become lefty liberals again, but your islamic grandchildren would wonder why the country is mired in poverty, has no art, humor, technology and allows infidels to huddle in corners of the country all the while saying that living conditions have nothing to do with islam, of course.

Posted by: Borg at November 15, 2005 1:19 PM

This is a perfect illustration of Lawrence Auster's First Law of Majority/Minority Relations Under Liberalism:

The worse any designated minority or alien group behaves in a liberal society, the bigger become the lies of Political Correctess in covering up for that group.

That last point leads us to the first corrolary of Auster's First Law of Majority/Minority Relations under Liberalism: The more egregiously any non-Western or non-white group behaves, the more evil whites are made to appear for noticing and drawing rational conclusions about that group's bad behavior.

The First Law and its corrolary are intrinsic to liberalism. Once the equality of all human groups is accepted as a given, any facts that make a minority or foreign group seem worse than the majority native group must be either covered up or blamed on the majority.

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/000933.html

Ironically former-60's radical Paul Berman draws the same conclusion in "Terror and Liberalism" with regard to Israel and the Palestinians (the more barbarically the Palestininian Arabs behave, the more Israel is condemned for somehow "driving" them to such desperate acts of savagery), but would probably balk at the full implications which Auster draws out from the same insight. In the context of American race-relations this has bad, but not disastorous, consequences; in the context of ummah-grant jihadism it is deadly.

Posted by: emperor_diocletian at November 15, 2005 2:47 PM

"but your islamic grandchildren would wonder why the country is mired in poverty, has no art, humor, technology and allows infidels to huddle in corners of the country all the while saying that living conditions have nothing to do with islam, of course. "

No they wouldn't... From their earliest childhood, they'd be taught all the ways Muslims have always been vicimized by "infidels," they'd be reminded of all the supposed transgressions by filthy "infidels" against clean pious Muslims, some of these stories would date back nearly 1400 years, and they'd be reminded, sometimes 5 times a day, not to forget ANY of the lessons about how good Muslims are and how bad non-Muslims are at the risk of displeasing Allah and becoming terrible filthy non-Muslims themselves, and most of all they'd be told every time something wasn't going right for them that it was because of a Jewish conspiracy, and that they were again being victimized by filthy "infidels."

They wouldn't wonder at all, because Islam, as the perfect system, has an answer for everything... And Allah knows best!

Posted by: jsla at November 15, 2005 6:41 PM

I expect in 2007 a huge vote for Le Pen, well damn it I might do it myself, never thought I would vote for a racist, but if it's that or surrender to Islam, Le Pen has my vote, what a fucking awful choice to have to make!!!
Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 15, 2005 09:24 AM

There you have me. What is to be done?

Shiva and I argue for the "politics of confrontation" here and elsewhere, and rightly so up to a point. To force conditions to deteriorate to the point something must be done is one way to inveigle this problem to incarnadine, to force the situation into bloom. But at what cost?

Ideally, one would find little needed to make the average voter sit up and vote against riot and mayhem, but it seems that 7,000 burnt automobiles and a crippled lady on a bus doesn't register with most French as something to be concerned about. What does it take? How far do the vanguardians have to go to push it till things are intolerable for the French? And then what? If it takes sheer terror on the scale of 1792 to wake them up, it's a bit late for recovery. Dare the vanguardians risk it? What if Le Pen is only the beginning of the backlash against the counter-revolutionaries?

It is a terrible thing to have to vote for Le Pen because the people have betrayed the Revolution and the Republic. But, can we really come back from Le Pen? Is our only real choice between dhimmitude and White (Right as opposed to Red or Left) fascism?

I've written here for ages that there is a conflation of Left into White fascism. True too of the Black fascists, ie the anarchists. Perhaps my definition, going a bit beyond the Webster's dictionary version that Razin uses, is a bit broad, and maybe one should use the phrase "counter-Enlightenment neo-feudalist (conflated) dhimmi fascism. Really, the point is that we obviously need a new paradigm, and we need a new political movement with new people running for a new political system. Our old political modes and tropes are spent. We need something revolutionary and workable. Not Le Pen. We need something good rather than something better than what we have.

I'm open to suggestions.

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 15, 2005 10:55 PM

"...it seems that 7,000 burnt automobiles and a crippled lady on a bus doesn't register with most French as something to be concerned about. What does it take?"

Apparently 3000 dead, and $1.5 Trillion in damages weren't sufficient to wake up most Americans -- So we are learning that it is very difficult for society to awaken to existential threats -- it's nothing new -- It's surely one reason small conflicts eventually turn into conflagrations -- and why millions of people end up dying...

We shouldn't lose hope -- though the prospects are grim in terms of the kinds of violence we will see during our lifetimes -- but again -- there's nothing new in this either. Contrary to the fantasist notion that has crept into the global consciousness that war is some kind of aberrant behavior -- war is a normal and commonplace endeavor for mankind. The post modern notion that we have somehow 'moved beyond war' as a species is ludicrous on its face.

There haven't been enough horrific atrocities yet for the notion to coalesce, but the Muslims will help us out more and more... Eventually I am certain that non-Muslims will embrace the idea that their ideology must be eradicated, and a global civil war will ensue... Of course, wars are unpredictable, and the eventual outcome is not guaranteed -- but I will lay my money and my life on the non-Muslim side -- I predict Islam will be annihilated eventually by our superior numbers and our superior culture and technology -- but that's not to say it won't be harrowing and deadly for us too...

Perhaps the most dangerous thing we could see from our Muslim friends would be signs of apparent "moderation" in Islam as so many here are calling... This would simply allow their chinese water torture of us to continue -- more erosion -- more infiltration -- more little Muslim babies born -- more fodder for the Jihad --

Let them rampage. Let them reveal their insane belief in their sex manual the Koran -- let them worship this body fluid obsessed maniac Muhammad -- and let them be Muslims!

Posted by: jsla at November 16, 2005 11:39 AM