No shocking news here. Muslims such as these are simply unfit for modern day society and should be dropped off onto a deserted ice berg.

Posted by: Unbridled at December 2, 2005 11:36 AM

Any word from the E.U.? From the American State Department, telling the Indonesian government that the protection of Christians and other non-Muslims from Muslim fanatics is now the main task of that government? From anyone other than the Barnabas Fund? No? Why not?

Posted by: Hugh at December 2, 2005 11:49 AM

Dear ia786, KingTolerance, Naseem, Mohideen and Other Like-Minded Individuals:

Your comments, insights and explanations of this incident would be very interesting to see. Is this part of the Palestinian problem? Has this been done in retribution for beheadings of Muslim school children perpetrated by the Israelis or the Americans or the Women's Christian Temperance Union? Are any of you willing to stand up and denounce this type of outrage where you can be publicly heard and noted?

It seems the more superior a group believes itself to be, the lower the standards of its behavior.

Posted by: Chatillon at December 2, 2005 12:05 PM

Hugh asks,

"From the American State Department, telling the Indonesian government that the protection of Christians and other non-Muslims from Muslim fanatics is now the main task of hthat government?"

There are no condemnations from any aspect of the US government. We are, however, resuming arms trade with Islam's 'voice of moderation'.

See here:

THE United States has dropped its military embargo against Indonesia, six years after the Indonesian Army killed 1,500 people in the occupied country of East Timor.

The decision will allow the US Government to provide financial assistance for Indonesia to buy American weapons and to train its officers in American military colleges. It is also intended as a reward for Jakarta’s co-operation in pursuing Islamic militants.

It seems the war on terror is a benefit for all, especially the terror states.

Posted by: Eschwapp at December 2, 2005 12:16 PM

"Government officials and other leaders are 'terrified by the more radical elements of Islam,' resulting in persecution of Chrisitans going mostly unnoticed by western governments and much of the public."

Isn't that the point?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 2, 2005 12:17 PM

Just like the muslims have their 'UMMA" (global muslim union),the christians should also form a one solitary union(irrespective of denominations-for the COMMON DENOMINATOR IN ALL SUCH DIVISIONS IS THE FACT THAT-ALL BELIEVE JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD.)United States of America should take the position of "Defender of christian faith". The present British Queen has this title for just 'decoration' sake.(Her son Charlie is promoting Islam)! This will instill fear in the minds of those countries which usually harass,discreminate, or kill christians like Iran,Pakistan,Egypt,Indonesia, Labanon, malaysia,India,and Saudi Arabia. When ever such injustice take place to christians,this organisation,with the seal of US government ,should go to the resque of these helpless people. Will the' BORN AGAIN' President think of doing anything like this to his community before his tenure?

Posted by: rafia at December 2, 2005 12:56 PM

If the Indonesian government officials are truly "terrified" of Islam's more radical elements, the WORST thing they could possibly do would be to ignore them as they presently are. Islamic terrorism grows STRONGER the more it is ignored. Islamic terror does not, can not and will not go away on its own.

The assessment offered here does not add up right.

Either the Indonesian government officials are lying and in cahoots with the terrorists or they are 'non compus mentis'. Or maybe both?

Since WHEN are musical instruments devices used to "oppress" Muslims? Like maybe when these killer-Zombies do not understand their own terminology?

Posted by: pythagoras at December 2, 2005 1:04 PM

as another poster said no surprise here at muslim behavior

what is consistantly shocking is the total absence of international news covering these atrocities

and the failure of Christians in Indonesia and elsewhere to get massive support and demonstrations from the American and European Churches

Posted by: ploome at December 2, 2005 1:15 PM

"what is consistantly shocking is the total absence of international news covering these atrocities

and the failure of Christians in Indonesia and elsewhere to get massive support and demonstrations from the American and European Churches"

Posted by: ploome at December 2, 2005 01:15 PM

Ploome, you said it!

I guess the usual suspect international news agencies are too busy covering "outrages" perpetrated against the Palestinians by the IDF and the Coalition forces against the Baathist and Islamist terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan (all of whom are fighting armed combatants, not schoolchildren attending Christian institutions) to have the resources to cover jihad in Indonesia. Likewise the organized Christian Church organizations and NGOs like the Christian Peacemakers Team.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at December 2, 2005 2:26 PM

rafia writes:
"United States of America should take the position of "Defender of christian faith". "

No, we should not take that position.

However, we should strive to ensure that the rights of minorities, like the right to pray (or not pray) is respected throughout the world, and countries which do not respect that right should not be respected in the USA.

I'm sickened by the oppression of Catholics in
Indonesia, and I have been for a long time. I am
slso sickened by the oppression of Animists, and
Buddhists, and even Atheists, in many countries.
The USA should take the position as "Defender of
liberty", not of the Christian faith. In that
way, the liberty of Christians and others in mohammadan lands will be defended. But we shouldn't become like the mohammadans in order to defeat them!

Posted by: American at December 2, 2005 2:41 PM

This spokeswoman from the Barnabas Fund probably knows better -- After all, her comments help the whitewashing by the authorities, and explains away their obvious indifference towards these atrocities. It may be the only way she and others continue to gain access to victimized communities in Indonesia and in other Muslim hell holes...

But as a predominantly Muslim Nation, Indonesia is axiomatically also a police state. As a "Muslim State" they are not terribly competent administrators. But if Indonesian authorities really wished to suppress these relentless examples of Islamic fascism, murder, and inhumanity, they certainly could do it. One must conclude that they are at best complacent, and at worst complicit in this barbarity.

Posted by: jsla at December 2, 2005 3:30 PM

This is why you no defeet us. We take control little bye little. People in areas we control are afraid. Soon we spread to the next region. And soon your next door nayboor is too scared to resist us and you are by yourself.

Need I say more.

Posted by: Mekoots at December 2, 2005 3:58 PM

"Need I say more..."

An "ouch" sigh or gasp perhaps? Something, some kind of acknowlegement after you're introduced to the 2nd Amendment would be greatly appreciated -- I'd love to see some kind of indication that the 2nd Amendment got "through" your thick skull...

Posted by: jsla at December 2, 2005 4:53 PM

If any further proof was necessary that Islam really is not the "religion of tolerance and peace", Mekoots has dispelled any doubt.

Mekoots, do you really believe that God will let Satan take complete control..."little by little".
God will use you and your kind to put the fear of God back into mankind and then he will consign you and all who follow Satan to Hell for all eternity.

You poor, poor thing...can't you see that you are just being used?
The irony is that God is using Satan to purify the Earth...bet you guys didn't see that coming.
God seems to love irony...like putting the Arabs and their foul cult of Islam on all that oil.

Do you really want to spend all eternity in your worst nightmare Mekoots?

Posted by: Mike_W at December 2, 2005 5:24 PM

It's interesting that this "Mekoots" character says what he does. He reveals alot about the mind of islam in what little he says. He shows that islam is not tolerant, and is in fact, full of greed. He shows that islam is jealous of what others, and especially the west, has. He shows that world domination is the eventual goal of islam. He also shows that they will do this by any means necessary. He shows that islam lies to complete it's goal. He shows that islam is not the "religion of peace" as it purports to be. He shows that islam has no respect for individual human rights, and that islam in no way thinks that humans should enjoy freedom. All this from what little he said. What does this say for those muslims who are long winded, yet who's words are empty and meaningless?
As for the poster who said that America should take the role of the "defender of the Christian faith." I highly disagree, and furthermore, I think that would be a very bad thing. Of course, even if it were the best course of action, it would never happen. Christianity is persecuted in America, and within the next five to ten years, Christianity will be outlawed, and Christians who refuse to leave Christianity will be killed. So either way, America should not take the role of deefender of the Christian faith. Islam is the antithesis to Christianity, and is antichrist. Will islam produce THE Antichrist? There are probably as many theories as there are Christians, but I, for one, think so. Islam is an ideology that was thought of by Satan himself, and is the greatest threat to God, peace, tolerance, love, morality, and spirituality that the world has ever seen, or ever will see. What we must do, is unite, and stand up agaisnt this evil, which is not only a threat to Christianity, but to all the world, and we cannot stop until islam is irradicated, and even it's very memory completely annihilated from the face of the earth.

Posted by: pastor_matt023 at December 2, 2005 7:07 PM

It breaks my heart every time I see how the minorities in Indonesia have been persecuted, again and again and in some cases with the government tacit approval, or at least some people higher up in the government.

I'm from Indonesia, and I must tell y'all that even though Indonesia is considered to be "moderate', it all depends on how you define 'moderate'. Compared to Saudi Arabia, I guess it is moderate.

But as to upholding human rights for all its citizens, I would say it is far from moderate.

The majority of Indonesian Muslims who are supposed to be 'moderate' consider it their right that they are better/above the minority Christians, just as what they have been taught by their Koran. And this include the educated ones.

There are some who are against these human rights abuses, but they are in the minority. In fact a person who was very vocal in advancing human rights in Indonesia was killed, poisoned, on an Indonesia airplane enroute to Holland. As of now, the trial of the 'perpetrators' is a farce, as with all trials in Indonesia, especially trials involving human rights abuses.

Pleae make every effort to spread the word to fellow Americans and Westerners about the real Islam, so that people in the West understand that our world is being threatened by these Islamists.

My experience is that if I tell the truth about what is happening in Indonesia, people here think I'm nut, or a fanatical Christian. Huh!

Posted by: jasmine at December 2, 2005 7:40 PM

Through the modern invention of the internet, we spread the word of the cult of death called islam.
for as long as humans chose freedom, we will never submit to islam..l am confident good will prevail... by the destruciton of islam... you need to just understand "Lord of the Rings" a timeless story of good over evil...

Posted by: Lulu at December 2, 2005 8:20 PM

Folks:

Doesn't Meekoot's pidgeon English strike some of you as being just a tad bit too pidgeon, suggesting that someone may be looking for a bit of fun at the expense of the anti-jihaddists here?

Posted by: waterdragon52 at December 2, 2005 8:35 PM

And waltery pidgeon to boot. It could be taken either way. I'm taking it straight.

Posted by: Hugh at December 2, 2005 8:52 PM

pastor-mato23 asks:" Will Islam produce The Anti-Christ?". Pastor,you have not done your Bible lessions properly. 1John2:22 ,clearly states: "..the man,who denies Jesus is the Christ,such a man is Anti-Christ.He denies the Father and Son.No one ,who denies the Son has the Father,Whoever acknowleges the Son has the Father". The koran states that (1).Jesus is just a prophet,inferior in status to Mohamed.
(2)Allah is not tobe called as Father.
(3)Jesus is NOT the son of God,but a mere prophet of God.
You can see how all facts fall in line for an Anti-Christ!.

Posted by: rafia at December 2, 2005 8:56 PM

rafia, excellent. :) Yet so does everyother religion. Yet the main difference is that islam seeks the destruction of Christianity, as well as every other religion. But while all religions deny Jesus is the Christ, islam is the only one that seeks to erase that thought from peoples memory. But I understand what you are saying. There can really be no other organization/cult like islam that could fit well into that place.

Posted by: pastor_matt023 at December 2, 2005 9:33 PM

That muslim mob merely wanted to make it clear to the kids who they are. To show them the real face of islam.

Muslims are in their element when they terrorize and kill. But unlike straightforward pirates or criminals, they insist on showing up sometimes with another face, telling everyone that they are peaceful.

If at least they were starightforward criminals, but no, their ways are always crooked.

Posted by: rocky at December 2, 2005 11:40 PM

Folks, tell this news story to your children, nieces, nephews, and tell other parents to tell their kids. Email it to all the people you know. It's good to have a healthy sense of fear about the enemy.

Mekoots,

whether you are a true jihadi or some politcally-correct bigot playing a prank, the future is not going to be comfortable for you. Some trolls who come here show vague hints of humanity. You haven't. That makes it so much easier for us to view you as the enemy, and that is the appropriate mindset needed to defeat the enemy. Thanks for your contribution.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 3, 2005 1:09 AM

Real tough men, terrorizing children. Reminds me of the face of Hooper over at CAIR.

Posted by: Truth at December 3, 2005 4:11 AM

From a poster above:

"...If the Indonesian government officials are truly "terrified" of Islam's more radical elements..."

The standard phrase is "...We can not control these angry people..."

They don't want to. That would be against Islam.

Got it?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at December 3, 2005 6:18 PM