If they want us to reach the boiling point concerning contempt for Islam, they are succeding.
How despicable of Islam always to sneak away and never straightforwardly acknowledging any guilt for the mayhem it causes.
After filling young people's heads with self-righteousous garbage, after these resort to violence driven by islam-inspired hatred..
even after after that islam pretends to have nothing with it and blames Australians for being racist.
The religion of Islam and its leaders is the worst double-faced cowardly scum that earth has ever seen.

Posted by: rocky at December 14, 2005 4:23 AM

The Uniting Church produced witnesses against two Christian pastors in Melbourne who were convicted for vilifying Islam when they conducted a seminar to teach Christians to understand Islam in order to present the Gospel to Muslims.

If the fire was a result of arson and if the burnt down Uniting Church had been visibly pro Muslim, then there is a possibility that the arsonist or arsonists may be non-Muslim. It is equally possible that the arsonists may be Muslims.

Now why would Muslims burn down a pro-Muslim church? – Probably for the same reasons pro-Muslims activists are now been held hostage in Iraq.

Posted by: Nicolei at December 14, 2005 5:14 AM

Listening to callers to the talkback radio station about this, some Muslim callers tried to make it out like the Islamic centre was the building under attack. But the fire dept said that it was definitely the church that was the target, and whoever did it intended it to burn to the ground. It didn't stand a chance.

If it were a mosque, all hell would have broken loose by now. All cities across the country probably would be under martial law, but since it's a church, we're all safe. No Christians running around looting and pillaging in retaliation. And if they did, well, the full force of the law would come down on them, of course.

The two nights of insane Muslim criminal activity - vandalism and assault - is described as "retaliation", as if we deserved it. Instead of being described as "racism", like it should be.

One story they couldn't sweep under the carpet: a distinctly white Australian man was bashed by "men" who asked if he was Australian. When he said "Yes" they bashed him. It was called a race attack, thankfully, but still, the description of the attackers as "men" was a bit of a disappointment. We know who they were, but we're not supposed to talk about it, unless they're white.

Posted by: feralee at December 14, 2005 5:22 AM

Within 24 hours of Israel pulling out of Gaza, all synogogues left behind were destroyed. Just imagine the outpouring of anger if within Israel proper just ONE mosque had been destroyed.

Islam's history is nothing but a catalogue of violence: violent suppression of dissidence, violent conquest of peaceful neighbours(usually Christian), violent forced conversion and now the violence of religious antipathy.

When will the fools in the west that we term "leaders" realise that Islam is the wolf of a repressive political system hiding behind the facade of a religious sheep? Far more than Christianity which is more or less a code of ethics, Islam is a rigid system of rules, regulations and punishments, all in the name of Allah who had little else to do with his time but talk to Muhammad about trivia and violence and just how Muhammad could find excuses to have so many wives whether 9 yo or not.

In this coutry the childbirth stats for Muslims vary(depending upon yr souerces) but are often >3x the normal population. How can they afford this? Easy by non usury(here the MCCA) loans with ~1% interest enabling 4 homes in 25 years or 2 homes and a good small business or 7 kids and good home. Using this economic advantage they buy up small businesses in certain areas(Brunswick in Victoria) and eventually gain control of the local council. It is then we find that the municipal swimming pool is closed on fridays(Muslim woment eXcepted) and Rushdies books removed form the local library. But these are NOT reactionary violent Muslims. They are the peacefull "good" Muslims but it really makes no difference here.

I was told by a UK sociologist that Muslims in the UK are amongst the most poor. But they still manage to own their own homes and have 7 kids. I think theat he was going by income and not assets. Anyone know here for certain?

Because of the disease of "open multiculturalism" which has never worked and will never work unless all who enter wish to assimilate, the word "religion" cannot be used and Muslims throughout the western world get away with exteme intolerance because we treat them as though they are purely a religion.
ISLAM IS NOT A PURE RELIGION. IT IS A RIGID POLITICO-ECONOMIC SYSTEM WHICH USES THE CARROT OF HOPE AND THE STICK OF FAITH. It is the primary reason why the backwaters of this earth are Muslim. But, of course this is all our fault.
If you read that scum bin Laden, you will find that he wants a return to the caliphate and this is not exceptional as is is what the Qur'an orders.

If you have not read a copy of the Qur'an then do so. If you have not read"the reliance of the traveller"(sharia law) then do so. It is only then that you can understand the uniformity of the islamic approach world wide. It is no wonder that we have problems in Oz as now the muslims number 500k and they are simply flexing their muscles before the greater struggle occurs. However this time they received somewhat of a shock at the response in Oz and will be pulled into line by their leaders until their numbers are much greater and the risk of being overwhelmed by a very p*ssed nonMuslim populace passes.

The struggle here now is like the heartbeat of a foetus: just an indication of things to come but there will be much pain when it does.

Dont let the scum hide behind our religious tolerance. Tell everyone that they are not a religion but a politico-economic system which hides behind the aegis of religion.

Maybe when our politicians realise this we wont have to fight their struggle alone.

Posted by: Zathras at December 14, 2005 5:30 AM

posted by Zathras :

"Dont let the scum hide behind our religious tolerance. Tell everyone that they are not a religion but a politico-economic system which hides behind the aegis of religion."

Exactly right Zathras.
Islam derives merit by association, calling itself a religion.

That is the reason many people feek uncomfortable initially when learning the truth about Islam.
Most people are decent and every decent person wants to be tolerant of another's idea of God.

People generally cannot conceive that anything as horrific as Islam and it's ideology of death and hatred exists in the real world.

As enemies of the execrable cult of Islam we should never dignify it with the label "religion".

Oh and btw...Channel SBS 9:30pm headlines : "What has happened to race relations in Australia?".

Damn, I'm finding myself yelling at the telly..."IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE STUPID!!!..IT'S ABOUT ISLAM!!!".

I suspect the NSW premier has gotten to the media....I can just picture him emphasising the need to keep a lid on the situation....can't have the truth getting out.

Posted by: Mike_W at December 14, 2005 6:07 AM

SBS has had their tongue so far up the multicultural( see Islamic) %$#@ that I now refuse to watch its news or its current afairs programs after doing so since its inception.

This is all a function of both the islamic indoctrination and our tolerance with the addition of pc fools who do not realise that you cannot assimilate those who do not wish to do so.

Our premier is just another petty politician who has one eye on trade and the other on the multinationals and it makes no difference which party they are part of. Unfortunately Ms Hansen was far too close to the truth and look what they did to her(a conspiracy betwen the ethnic community, the media ALL other political parties, the trade unions "did" her in).

Unfortunately like most politicians he hasn't got an inkling when it comes to basic truths and thus our police are shackled and laughed at by the Muslim scum.

Posted by: Zathras at December 14, 2005 6:28 AM

Every body made fun of us,the white african from algeria,said when in 1959/62 he told the whole world " if we win here then it's the whole world in a few years time,And don't worry it will be like this in australia in a few years.
During the Paris riots the arabs were burning churches and screaming "Allah Akbar"
So you get the message.
Forums such as this are starting to have far more credibility as far as I'm concerned. The danger is REAL and PRESENT, do we REALLY NEED to see buses and trains blown up in our cities before these people are rounded up 'en masse' and sent to internment camps?
The governments our grandfathers fought for was interested in protecting its nations and peoples. To that end, it rounded up ALL suspected dangerous aliens and interned them during WW2. Regrettably, these things sometimes have to be done FOR THE COMMON GOOD. Civil libertarians be damned.
SHAME on those who have perverted good government for the sake of cheap political points and personal gain.
And Australia ???????????
New South Wales Premier Morris(Judas)Iemma
Giving the moslems a victory,making it easier to restrict the selling of booze.Playing the racist card and fishing votes from scum like this
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=581

It is obvious from media feedback from citizens living in the area that this has been an ongoing problem and continues to be one of their concerns for the region.
Public demonstration along with other diverse cultures concerned about others,standard of behaviour and the increasing physical violence. Should be able to walk the community streets, united,in protest at this behaviour,And not be labelled as racism,as we witness concerning Sunday demo.
We should not loose sight that there where 5000 people and not many people injured,nor much damage ot propety,and looking at the images we dont see base-ball bats and iron bars.Compare this to the moslem reaction,base-bats knives guns and a burnt church

Now a little off topic but some Information about coffee filters.A muslim puts on the coffee when he prays at the mosque and normally leave it on for an hour or two,to show that he has prayed.And I have noticed that in many images from riot moslems are still wearing the filter.Thus proving there is a link between the riot.
Last sunday at the Lakemba mosque there was a large gathering of muslims,and the excuse being they where attending evening prayers.Well this is bullshit.As evening prayers are between 6-7.They where there because the mosque is where they get there go ahead.
Isn,t that right Herr Thomas Haidon,or are you still going to denie that islam had nothing to do with Sundays riots
Unfortunately most Infidels are concerned only with keeping peace now, as opposed to dealing with the problems now which will certainly cause increased violence in the future.
It infuriates me to see a govt asking for calm when they can't ensure safety on our streets from these muslim scum.
Get your police Mr Iemma to target the REASONS behind the crime,instead of targeting the answer.Stop sending the mullahs to restore send in the police and military and dogs
If our leders cannot or will not,then the people will do it

Posted by: shiva at December 14, 2005 6:31 AM

I just checked the Channel 7 news items at,
http://seven.com.au/news/video

Check out the 'Riots cause area lockdowns' footage.

One scene shows the police pulling over cars.
They have what appears to be a young anglo-saxon male on his stomach...apparently he was carrying a knife...several police jump on the guy.

If he is an anglo-saxon who the hell could blame him for carrying a knife for God's sake?
Residents of the Cronulla area are being stabbed and beaten and the dhimmi police force are doing everything to clamp down on the residents!
It seems they are there to ensure outraged residents cannot defend themselves and have no option but to hide away in their homes.

I believe the police deliberately allowed the retaliation by Muslim gangs on Monday night.
There have been reports of police cars following, with flashing lights, the convoy of 20-30 carloads of thugs that descended on Cronulla, Brighton and other areas.
So these police cars had no access to police radios and could not contact Cronulla police who of course have no roadblock spikes anyway, right?

This whole saga stinks to high heaven.
Especially that sorry aspct of the local gangs receiving so much publicity...the scum even being lauded as heroes...The Bra Boys...what a joke!

It Stinks!

Posted by: Mike_W at December 14, 2005 8:32 AM

Oh yea, that footage also shows a policeman giving a local Muslim leader a big hug....absolutely sickening!

Posted by: Mike_W at December 14, 2005 8:34 AM

The year before the Ramjanambhoomi Mosque (aka Babri Masjid) was torn down in India by militant Hindus, 172 temples were destroyed by Muslims in Pkaistan the year before but got very little news coverage.

To top it off, most ancient and beautiful temples which were left in Pakistan after the partition of India, were converted into Public Washrooms by the Muslims, that shows how tolerant they are.

@militant muslim:

Go be a real muslim and do us all a favor, go blow yourself up.

This is not a hate site, it is a site which is exposing the awful truth about Islam.

Forget about what Muslims are doing today if you think its a distortion (which is so BS if you ask me). Look at Mohammed, your prophet, he marries Aiesha when she was 6 years old, then rapes her when she is 9 years old, that makes him a PEDOPHILE.

So when you say "this site is not following the way of your messiah, it is a bitter and twisted, evil site." I guess what you want to say is that you have the right to be bitter and twisted, since you follow the prophet of Evil.

The Rest of the World = Peaceful, believes in Coexistence.

Islam = Pedophile Orgy with your regular beheadings, suicide bombings, rape, torture...etc

Militantmuslim sh*thead, go have a drink and relax, just accept the you follow a Pedophile.

-Cheers

Posted by: Gorkhali at December 14, 2005 10:47 AM

"i dont want islam to be spread by the sword but by love and understanding, the same way christian missionaries have for the last hundered years helped the poor in africa and spread your message of christianity".

Militant Muslim, go to the www.religonofpeace.com and see how your religion is really being spread. Read the articles about forced conversions in Egypt, the threat of death for an editor in Afghanistam because he dared to question some of the tenents of Islam, read about the Christians and animists being slaughtered in the Sudan, look at the pictures of the lovely little Christian Indonesian girls whose heads were hacked off by machete wielding muslims, or the churchs burned and Christians threatened in Pakistan, or the Hindus murdered in Kashmir, the list is endless.

And you're surprised that people are disgusted and angry about this?

Everywhere there are Muslims, there is trouble, be it in France, England, the Netherlands, India, Indonesia, Australia, Africa, the US, etc.

Christinity has a saying, by their fruits will you know them. We have seen the fruits of Islam, and they are bitter. If that offends you, then you need to deal with those IN YOUR RELIGION who are giving it a bad name.
Complaining to us won't change anything.

By the way, if you truly ARE peaceful, why chose a name like "militant muslim"? It sort of takes away from the message of "peace and tolerance" that you say you believe in.

And if you think that being Christian means that one can't fight against an aggressor, think again.

The Just War

"Augustine emphasized the idea of restoration of peace as the main motive of war.

He said "we do not seek peace in order to be at war, but we go to war that we may have peace. Be peaceful, therefore, in warring, so that you may vanquish those whom you war against, and bring them to the prosperity of peace."

Funny, that sounds like what Bush is doing in Iraq.

Posted by: treehugger at December 14, 2005 11:12 AM

???
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/06/1094322711816.html

Posted by: shiva at December 14, 2005 11:36 AM

Lets ask another way round: Why the media lies?

Why is it that every report looked as if the whites are rioting, and only after reading carefully, there was a small sign that the actual riots came from the muslims?

Personally, I think a 'riot' of 5000 people, held back by 40 coppers with 30 people chased off is a bit of a joke as proper riots go. Try 500 football hooligans for the real thing(tm). Those aussies are mere beginners :):):) (and that is good so, it speaks much in their favour!)

But, let's assume for a moment that the media would report truthfully. What would be gained? Nothing, other than more riots and probably pogroms, not just some blokes demonstrating on a beach having a few drinks and shouting mild slogans.

I'm not sure that such events would really be helpful, nor would it be what we all want, because either way you put it, it is a loosing proposition, for everyone. I really do not want a brutalisation of people to take place, whether they 'win' or 'lose'.

So, maybe the government is not so wrong with supressing the truth?

What is very scary is that there are at least 400 in Sydney who not only can organise flashmobs, but also are ruthless and radicalised enough to start civil war in quiet neighbourhoods.

Imli, Sheitan's advocate.

Posted by: Imli at December 14, 2005 11:55 AM

"..And I have noticed that in many images from riot moslems are still wearing the filter.Thus proving there is a link between the riot.>>"

They "wear" a coffee filter? How does this look exactly? Just curious.

Posted by: cassandra at December 14, 2005 11:57 AM

OK, let's see how long this stays up: (Sorry RS, I just couldn't help myself :^D )

The Bet

Two families moved from Saudi Arabia to the USA.
When they arrived the two fathers made a bet - in a year's time whichever family had become
more American would win.

A year later they met again. The first man said,
"My son is playing baseball, I had McDonalds for breakfast and I'm on my way to pick up a case
of Bud.

How about you?"

The second man replied, "F*ck you, towel head."

Posted by: CGW at December 14, 2005 1:38 PM

shiva:
The church burning in Maribyrnong, Victoria has noting to do with Islam or Jihad. They have caught the guy responsible and from what I understand it had more to do with Heavy Metal music and hearing satanic voices. The guy was a complete nutter.

Just thought I'd point that out.

Posted by: AngryMuppet at December 14, 2005 2:39 PM

Hey Aussies - Besides Robert Spencer's book "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam", here are a couple others addressed primarily to the American reader but from these posts I think they would be equally applicable Down Under:

"Unholy Alliance - Radical Islam and the American Left by David Horowitz (the left is the left wherever it is).

"The West's Last Chance - Will we win the Class of Civilizations ?" by Tony Blankley.

Both of these authors sharply focus on the hate-Western Civilization extreme left off-shoot from Marxism (multiculturalism) and the axis of evil they have formed with the jihadists. The extreme left and the jihadists are a formidable enemy of the people of all western countries, particularly so when they are allowed to roam our streets and poison our culture from the inside. We have to start thinking in terms of a world-wide reaction to Islam and the extreme left. After all, their attack on us is world-wide. We have to dump the leftist pols and their multiculturalism and put nationalists into office everywhere who will defend the borders and remove dangerous Islamofascists from the general population. Internment and return to country of origin certainly needs to be considered for such people. They are incompatible with civilization. As for the native extreme left in every western country, they need to be vigorously exposed, denounced, and removed from positions of influence in government and education.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at December 14, 2005 8:05 PM

JB my collection is over 20 volumes and is added to weekly. It includes those titles. I have been lookingat Islam on/off since the 80s when my own experiences led me to distrust it and its adherents.
So I think that I myself am talking from some knowledge of the subject and considerable thought although i certainly would not call myself an expert of the "Hugh"class just yet as I know nothing of religion and politics generally but am expanding my knowledge daily although I wish that it was better organised structurally.

The riots here come as no suprise to myself and the politicians attitude as is that of the media is akin to the referee sending off a player kicked in the head by another, who dares to retaliate.

I just do not understand why in western society it is the person attacked and provoked first that retaliates who is the bigger criminal and it seems to have something in common with the ease with which professional criminals escape
justice while average fools who misdemeanour go to gaol. There is a bigger stink than usual here about our so called laws and I will bet that future islamic violence sees more nonMuslims gaoled for their replies than Muslims for their acts. There is no such thing as planned justice.
There is only accidental justice in the maintenance of Law and order and the domination of the ruling classes.

Posted by: Zathras at December 14, 2005 11:06 PM

Zathras - upside down laws like you describe are all over the West. The liberal left has implanted them from the top down everywhere.

It is time to reverse directions to what they should be in democratic society; laws derive their authority from the consent of the governed. If the governed do not consent, the laws or the government or both need to be changed.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at December 15, 2005 1:55 AM