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In "The sickness bequeathed by the west to the Muslim world" in The Guardian (thanks to John), Jonathan Freedland laments that the Muslim world has caught the West's disease of anti-Semitism:
We can deny it no longer: the virus of anti-semitism has infected the Muslim world. And virus it is, for Jew-hatred on this scale, as Christian Europe can testify, is a kind of sickness. This is one of the grossest legacies bequeathed by the west: that Muslims have taken to heart a form of anti-semitism alien to their own lands, borrowing a language and iconography that was made in Christendom. Blood libels and the Protocols were dreamed up in Norwich, Mainz or Moscow - yet now they breathe anew in Cairo, Riyadh and Damascus.This represents a menace to Jews, of course, but also a tragedy for Muslims. Theirs is a tradition that historically valued learning, and when an ignoramus like Ahmadinejad denies the overwhelming weight of historical evidence he makes a mockery of that tradition. In a period Jews still look back on as a golden age, Muslims were the people of scholarship, of science, of tolerance and coexistence - a contrast with the Crusader barbarians. Yet now many lap up the myths and lies that were once fed to the peasants of Europe, lies which endured through to the last century - and which led all the way to Treblinka.
Look. There is no doubt whatsoever that the West has indeed suffered from the disease of anti-Semitism. It is also true that elements within Christendom always opposed this, and that those elements ultimately won out. And it is likewise true that to assert that there is nothing within Islam that gives rise to anti-Semitism, and that if Muslims just stop acting like Christians in this regard everything will be all right, flies in the face of the facts.
Take this article from IslamOnline, outlining the characteristics of Jews as depicted in the Qur'an. All these citations are from the holy book of Islam -- hardly a Christian book:
Among the bad qualities they were characterized with are the following:1. They used to fabricate things and falsely ascribe them to Allah. Allah Almighty says: “ That is because they say: We have no duty to the Gentiles. They speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.” (Al-`Imran:75) Also: “The Jews say: Allah's hand is fettered. Their hands are fettered and they are accursed for saying so. Nay, but both His hands are spread out wide in bounty. He bestoweth as He will.” (Al-Ma`idah:64)
In another verse Almighty Allah says: “Verily Allah heard the saying of those who said, (when asked for contributions to the war): "Allah, forsooth, is poor, and we are rich! We shall record their saying with their slaying of the Prophets wrongfully and We shall say: Taste ye the punishment of burning!” (Al-`Imran:181)
2. They love to listen to lies. Concerning this Allah says: “and of the Jews: listeners for the sake of falsehood, listeners on behalf of other folk” (Al-Ma’idah: 41)
3. Disobeying Almighty Allah and never observing His commands. Allah says: “And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts.” (Al-Ma’idah: 13)
4. Disputing and quarreling. This is clear in the verse that reads: “Their Prophet said unto them: Lo! Allah hath raised up Saul to be a king for you. They said: How can he have kingdom over us when we are more deserving of the kingdom than he is, since he hath not been given wealth enough?” (Al-Baqarah: 247)5. Hiding the truth and standing for misleading. This can be understood from the verse that reads: “…distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture.” (Al-`Imran: 78)
6. Staging rebellion against the Prophets and rejecting their guidance. This is clear in the verse: “And when ye said: O Moses! We will not believe in thee till we see Allah plainly.” (Al-Baqarah: 55)
7. Hypocrisy. In a verse, we read: “And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you; verily we did but mock.” (Al-Baqarah: 14) In another verse, we read: “Enjoin ye righteousness upon mankind while ye yourselves forget (to practice it)? And ye are readers of the Scripture! Have ye then no sense?” (Al-Baqarah: 44)
8. Giving preference to their own interests over the rulings of religion and the dictates of truth. Allah says: “…when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?” (Al-Baqarah: 87)
9. Wishing evil for people and trying to mislead them. This is clear in the verse that reads: “Many of the People of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them.” (Al-Baqarah: 109)
10. They feel pain to see others in happiness and are gleeful when others are afflicted with a calamity. This is clear in the verse that reads: “If a lucky chance befall you, it is evil unto them, and if disaster strike you they rejoice thereat.” (Al-`Imran:120)
11. They are known of their arrogance and haughtiness. They claimed to be the sons and of Allah and His beloved ones. Allah tells us about this in the verse that reads: “The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones.” (Al-Ma’idah: 18)
12. Utilitarianism and opportunism are among their innate traits. This is clear in the verse that reads: “And of their taking usury when they were forbidden it, and of their devouring people's wealth by false pretences.” (An-Nisa’: 161)
13. Their impoliteness and indecent way of speech is beyond description. Referring to this, the Qur’anic verse reads: “Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one who heareth not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: "We hear and we obey; hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few.” (An-Nisa’:46)
14. It is easy for them to slay people and kill innocents. Nothing in the world is dear to their hearts than shedding blood and murdering human beings. They never give up this trait even with the Messengers and the Prophets. Allah says: “…and slew the prophets wrongfully.” (Al-Baqarah: 61)
15. They are merciless and heartless. In this meaning, the Qur’anic verse explains: “Then, even after that, your hearts were hardened and became as rocks, or worse than rocks, for hardness.” (Al-Baqarah: 74)
16. They never keep their promises or fulfill their words. Almighty Allah says: “Is it ever so that when ye make a covenant a party of you set it aside? The truth is, most of them believe not.” (Al-Baqarah: 100)
17. They rush hurriedly to sins and compete in transgression. Allah says: “They restrained not one another from the wickedness they did. Verily evil was that they used to do!” (Al-MA’idah:79)
18. Cowardice and their love for this worldly life are their undisputable traits. To this, the Qur’an refers when saying: “Ye are more awful as a fear in their bosoms than Allah. That is because they are a folk who understand not. They will not fight against you in a body save in fortified villages or from behind walls. Their adversity among themselves is very great. Ye think of them as a whole whereas their hearts are divers.” (Al-Hashr:13-14) Allah Almighty also says: “And thou wilt find them greediest of mankind for life and (greedier) than the idolaters.” (Al-Baqarah:96)
19. Miserliness runs deep in their hearts. Describing this, the Qur’an states: “Or have they even a share in the Sovereignty? Then in that case, they would not give mankind even the speck on a date stone.” (An-Nisa’:53)
20. Distorting Divine Revelation and Allah’s Sacred Books. Allah says in this regard: “Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands anthem say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby.” (Al-Baqara: 79)
After this clear explanation, we would like to note that these are but some of the most famous traits of the Jews as described in the Qur’an. They have revolted against the Divine ordinances, distorted what has been revealed to them and invented new teachings which, they claimed, were much more better than what has been recorded in the Torah. It was for these traits that they found no warm reception in all countries where they tried to reside. Rather, they would either be driven out or live in isolation. It was Almighty Allah who placed on them His Wrath and made them den of humiliation due to their transgression. Almighty Allah told us that He’d send to them people who’d pour on them rain of severe punishment that would last till the Day of Resurrection. All this gives us glad tidings of the coming victory of Muslims over them once Muslims stick to strong faith and belief in Allah and adopt the modern means of technology."
The longer it takes for people like Jonathan Freedland to come to grips with such material and call Muslims to account for it, the longer the problem of Muslim anti-Semitism will threaten Israel, the Jews of the world, and the rest of us as well.
Posted by Robert at December 14, 2005 11:36 AM
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If there is Christian anti-Semitism in Islam, it's built-in. It wasn't transmitted, but was subsumed wholly at the beginning. Now, as you point out, it's 'catechism' in Islam. Islam borrowed the worst parts of many traditions, everything from Arab paganism to Christian bigotry perhaps. One thing Islam didn't do is take the core teachings of Christianity. Quite the opposite, in fact.
For the Guardian, this is an improvement. "For the Guardian," making Lord Haw Haw look good every day.
a contrast with the Crusader barbarians
A fictitious "contrast," but whatever.
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at December 14, 2005 11:58 AM
Maybe it's because the writers at the Guardian have become such experts at reading Arabic, that they get everything backwards.
Posted by: Shy Guy at December 14, 2005 11:59 AM
But what about God and Mohammed?! Does this fine infidel journalist not care about what these fine authorities commanded us?
SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT SWT
"But you Jews went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you."
-- posted by God in Koran 2:64
"The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people."
-- posted by Mohammed in Ishaq 240
"Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."
-- posted by God in Koran 33:26
"Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!"
-- posted by God in Koran 4:55
PORK FOR MUFTIS PORK FOR MUFTIS PORK FOR MUFTIS PORK FOR MUFTIS MO' PORK!
And what about Abu Afak, Asma Marwan, Banu Qaynuga, Banu Nadir, or the Banu Qurayza? What about when whole villages of Jews were slaughtered in Spain?
Johnathan Freedland is an ignoramous and is spreading agitprop.
at December 14, 2005 12:00 PM
You're wrong for once, Robert. There's no actual dhimmitude at The Guardian - Guardian is the English word for dhimmitude and The Guardian is the newspaper of dhimmitude. It's as easy as that. I used to enjoy the sports pages but I have deleted the Guardian bookmark ages ago - you simply can't stomach the crap they regularly come up with.
Posted by: disillusioned_german at December 14, 2005 12:41 PM
Freedland is an ignoramus. As a partial corrective, see the new book by Carlo Panella [in Italian]: Il Complotto Ebraico. Of course Panella too can be criticized on some points. Nevertheless, he clearly demonstrates that Judeophobia in Islam goes way back to its early days. For views of Islamic/Arab oppression of Jews, see the site http://ziontruth.blogspot.com
including the recent following items:
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/12/18th-century-traveler-describes.html
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/12/muslim-jurist-on-rightsprivileges-of.html
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/12/lament-for-devastation-of-land-of.html
For Karl Marx's comments on the oppression of dhimmis in the Ottoman empire, and the oppression and persecution of Jews in particular in Jerusalem, by Muslim "intolerance," see:
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/06/karl-marx-on-treatment-of-jewish_16.html
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/06/karl-marx-on-ottomanmuslim.html
Karl Marx's article on Jerusalem, as linked to the causes of the Crimean War, is most politically incorrect. It would fit in with books and articles by Robert Spencer, Bat Yeor [born in Egypt], Prof. Raphael Israeli [born Morocco], David Bukay [his family is from Syria], Prof. Moshe Sharon [born Iraq] [the last 3 are Israelis], etc.
As for Freedland, he probably was thinking that he was defending the Jews from Judeophobia, that he was going against the current at the Guardian. The poor fellow, in my view, is simply ignorant. He grew up in an ideological environment that fostered ignorance on this very issue.
at December 14, 2005 12:53 PM
Freedland should be embarrassed (at least) for failing to have read the Koran.
Free, on-line, it only takes the spare time in a couple of days to read the whole thing. And one can go straight to the intolerance verses including the anti-Semitic statements, in a matter of minutes using this skeptics' site http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
The anti-Jewish sentiment is carried to Hitlerian extremes in the hadith below, which are considered valid by mainstream Islam. (There are also several variants of the report below, in varying degrees of completeness, in other collections).
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177.
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
at December 14, 2005 1:24 PM
Where does Jonathan Freedland think the yellow star affixed to clothing comes from? And is he incapable of imagining that there are different kiinds of hostility, or hatred, of Jews, so that the word "antisemitism" (preferable to "anti-Semitism" which implies there is "something" to be "anti" when no such "something" is really required) should be pluralized -- "antisemitisms." It is true that there are elements -- the Protocols, and so on -- taken over from recent European antisemitism. But why doesn't Freedland study the treatment of Jews, and while he's at it, of Christians, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and Buddhists, when their lands were conquered by Muslims?
It is true that as People of the Book, ahl al-kitab, Jews (like Christians) had in theory and often in practice, a preferred form of treatment -- not outright conversion or death, but rather the slow conversion that would result, and did result, from the imposition of all the onerousness of the status of being a non-Muslim under Muslim rule, a dhimmi, subject to deliberate humiliation, degradation, and physical insecurity.
But his pollyannish pencil-sketch of 1350 years of history, his complete inattention to the easily-retrieved relevant passages of Qur'an, Hadith, and the details of Muhammad's view and treatment of Jews in the Sira, would, should, could have made him not merely hesitate, but not write any of this nonsense.
Surely a form of arrogance greater than the usually, often wrongly-labelled kind, is that displayed by those who assume that they have no duty to study a subject, have every right to "express their opionion" (why?) on things they know little or nothing about, and thereby help to mislead rather than to enlighten others, or to get in the way, and gum up the works, of the enlighteners.
Takes the cake, that Mr. Freeland.
Posted by: Hugh at December 14, 2005 1:48 PM
However much historical and religious ignorance Mr.Freedland has displayed in his writings, his thesis is still a positive one for the Muslims. Once again, they are the victims of the West, in particular the Christians. The Muslims, followers of the religion of peace, were forced to hate the Jews by the Christians. Victims, victims and victims again. What a comfortable, self-satifying state of mind for millions of Muslims who can feel good about bombings, beheadings, burnings, rapes and all sorts of violence.
Posted by: maryrose at December 14, 2005 1:50 PM
Robert, did you consider sending a link to your post to Mr. Freedland? He might be in a mood to learn a thing or two...
freedland@guardian.co.uk
Posted by: kamala at December 14, 2005 2:18 PM
"Theirs [muslims'] is a tradition that historically valued learning..."
"In a period Jews still look back on as a golden age, Muslims were the people of scholarship, of science, of tolerance and coexistence - a contrast with the Crusader barbarians."
WTF? What history books does this yahoo read? Obviously anyone can call himself a journalist these days without ever bothering to do research.
Why did [do] muslims need Christians and Jews to have a golden age? You'd think Saudi Arabia--with its "muslim tradition of valued learning"-- and with its 100% muslim population would be having the Platinum age by now and churning out all kinds of Nobel laureates.
And what lunatic Jews look back on Andalucia as "a golden age?" Maybe when Israel was united under King David things were golden but living under Ishamel's yoke in Spain? PLEASE.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at December 14, 2005 2:23 PM
Obviously the woodentops at the Guardian seem to be unaware of the facrt that Mohammed himself had Jews murdered and was the original antisemite. Islam was built around the slaughter of those who refused to accept Mohammed as the Prophet of God, just as John Quincy Adams said. If only his writings were made compulsory reading for all, we could then save our civilization from entering a new and permanent Dark Age.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at December 14, 2005 2:35 PM
"In a period Jews still look back on as a golden age, Muslims were the people of scholarship, of science, of tolerance and coexistence - a contrast with the Crusader barbarians."
-- from Freedland above
A nice fresh florilegium or bouquet of many of the most fragrant cliches and myths, including -- for god's sake -- those Jews looking back on that "golden age." And the Muslims as the "people of scholarship, of science, of tolerance and coexistence."
Where to start? Rodney Stark on why science developed in the Christian West and not in Islam?Charles Singer on the history of technology? Any of the standard histories of science? Perhaps Maimonides "Epistle to Yemen" (quoted in an article on the myth of Andalucia by Andrew Bostom, which can be googled and retrieved).
The substitute of romantic writers -- Sir Walter Scott, Chateaubriand, Washington Irving -- who in "The Talisman," "Le dernier des Abencerages," and "Tales of the Alhambra," respectively, helped to create and then to spread these myths about that Golden Age -- the final foolish apotheosis of which must be "The Ornament of the World" by Maria Rosa Menocal (Director, bien entendu, of the "Whitney Center for the Humanities" at Yale)-- should by now be too ridiculous for any non-Muslim to participate in, save for a few schoolgirls and any undergraduate or graduate student well-pleased with the instruction offered in Islam and the Middle East by the likes of George Saliba, or a few hundred members of MESA Nostra.
Freeland perhaps can take time out from his Guardian duties -- this is not your great-grandfather's Guardian, this is not "C. P., Scott of the The Guardian" but rather, last I looked (about ten years ago), it is rather Alan Rusbridger's Guardian, with nary a C. P. Scott in sight. Itt can be ignored. Buy The Telegraph. Even if shabbily genteel, pretend you are a stockbroker in Sevenoaks. Or a Virgin-Megastore magnate in Virginia Water.
Go ahead. Live a little.
at December 14, 2005 2:38 PM
And then there is the issue of end times ideology and the famous 'kill the Jews' hadith related to the final days. Here is a thread of such hadith from Muslim, which inspires, among others, the President of Iran.
Book 041, Number 6981:
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him.
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Book 041, Number 6982:
Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):" There is a Jew behind me."
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Book 041, Number 6983:
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.
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Book 041, Number 6984:
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.
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Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
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Book 041, Number 6986:
Jabir b. Samura reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Before the Last Hour there would be many liars, and there is an addition in the badith transmitted on the authority of Abu Ahwas of these words:" I said to him: Did you hear it from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)? He said: Yes."
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Book 041, Number 6987:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Simak with the same chain of transmitters. and Simak said: I heard my brother say that jabir had stated: Be on your guard against them.
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Book 041, Number 6988:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until there would arise about thirty impostors, liars, and each one of them would claim that he is a messenger of Allah.
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Book 041, Number 6989:
This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abu Huraira with a slight variation of wording.
at December 14, 2005 2:48 PM
Here is a link to the above hadith from the USC online collection:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html
Posted by: JTF at December 14, 2005 2:51 PM
Mind...Numbing...Stupidity. The complete absurdity of it brings me to my knees, causes my eyes to glaze, leaves me slack-jawed and mumbling to myself.
Maryrose;
How true. Whatever you do, make DAMNED sure the muslims can perceive themselves as victims. It's like the whole world has turned into weak, incompetent parents, continually making excuses for their children who, due to negligent upbringing, are spoiled, foulmouthed, tantrum throwing brats, gauranteed to mortify you in public. The snot-nosed bully who goes home at the end of a busy day of picking on the smaller and weaker children and lets momma cut his meat for him.
God forbid we should ask them to take responsibility for their own actions.
What really burns my ass is that this clown, haughtily pontificating(are you allowed to pontificate regarding Islam?) as he does about the criminal actions of the West, while posturing as this enlightened elite, is exposing himself for the stark raving bigot that he is because of the inference that, well, they're muslims, they can't resist being manipulated. They are somehow less capable than other people to act like civilized humans, less capable than others to think for themselves, they are just somehow less. We have to make exceptions for them, they can't do the things we do.
Now granted, that may well be true, but I've seen too many juvenile delinquents smirking over their mother's shoulder, while she explained just exactly why something WASN'T HIS FAULT. It is amazing how quickly someone can see things differently when they realize they have used up their last excuse, had their last lie believed, have run out of benefit of the doubt, had their bullsh!t called, and will from this point on be held to account, personally and singularly.
If a child knows he's riding the gravy train by playing the adults for fools, he's not going to point out the adult's errors.
Demand personal responsibility, it's just that simple.
Posted by: t-ham at December 14, 2005 3:15 PM
t-ham,
Bravo! I think your comments are right on target. People like Freedland are paternalistic racists who believe that Muslims are empty vessels who have no history, no ethos, no culture, except by reference to the West. He relegates Muslims to secondary status in their own societies. They are bystanders who simply reflect what the "evil" westerners have imposed upon them, Freedland believes.
Whatever Islamic society is, for better or worse (and I think it is much, much worse), the citizens of that society are responsible for it. It is high time for both Freedland and the Islamists to end their relentless scapegoating and assign responsbility where it belongs.
Posted by: Howard, Fine & Howard at December 14, 2005 3:27 PM
The stupidity of many such 'journalists' is mind-boggling.
One wonders whether it is the kind of innocent, stupid stupidity or if it is the malignant, seditious stupidity that belongs in the category of aiding and abetting the enemy.
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at December 14, 2005 4:58 PM
MaryRose, excellent summation of the heartbeat of multiculturalism.
Steve
at December 14, 2005 6:23 PM
Jonathon Freedland is the epitome of a Western loathing anti-American fantasist fool... In every commentary he decries the horrors of the world and portrays every flaw as a fundamentally Western or American flaw... We are the progenitors of all the world's woes -- We are the cause of all the backwardness, poverty, hatred, and mayhem.
This particular commentary represents a new low for him...
Posted by: jsla at December 14, 2005 7:47 PM
Interested:
how about "dog has fleas..." -- even more banal, even more un-worthy of mention... I get your drift!
Even so, it's extremely important to stay on top of these execrable examples of fantasist filth spewing forth into the media mainstream... I have the Guardian listed along with several other terrorism related sites, including "The Nation", NYT, et al (all incorrigable terror friendly Western hostile sites...)
On the other side I list sites such as JW, Memri, and many others -- in toto they represent my daily rounds on the internet as it pertains to the Great Jihad... Increasingly I consider these nefarious (mostly leftist) terror abetting sites to be radical enablers of the fascist war against the West... Their intent seems solely focused on demoralizing us, and encouraging a mortal foe to attack...
Posted by: jsla at December 14, 2005 7:55 PM
in toto they represent my daily rounds on the internet
Toto went with Dorothy to Oz. That's a 'man bites dog' story. Nice that you get my drift.
Posted by: Interested at December 14, 2005 8:16 PM
The Jews murdered by the first Muslims at Yathrib must be chuckling in their graves at the gullibility of Europeans.
All these media, all these books, all these universities are worth nothing if people are happy being stupid.
Posted by: rocky at December 14, 2005 10:51 PM
The Guardian gets worse and more biassed by the day. It should just call itself "Muslim News" and have done with it. Their totally biassed coverage of the Aussie riots is yet another example of the chattering classes sticking their heads in the sand. It's best not to ignore it though as one should be familiar with the rhetoric of dhimmitude. I did happen to chance upon a reply from the readers' Editor recently in response to complaints from readers about the numerous articles on Islam in what was supposedly a secular newspaper that was, I believe, established by that true religion of peace The Quakers. He had to admit that the articles about Islam had tripled but brushed this aside saying that the prominence of Islam in world events today can't be ignored. Freedland is probably under constraints by the editorial board which has been infiltrated by Muslims. I predict he won't last much longer at the Guardian.
Posted by: londongirl at December 15, 2005 4:16 AM
Interested -- I find you intermittently so acidic in your responses that I am at a loss. What pricker got into which orifice to make you respond so? I sometimes get the impression you'd prefer this site to remain an exclusive little club in a sleepy little corner of some quaint little hamlet in an isolated little county where glib little conversations can transpire between sleepy little academics who, most of all, need to maintain their feelings of superiority before everything else... What made you the way you are?
Posted by: jsla at December 16, 2005 1:50 PM
Jsla - relax, I wasn't having a go. It's just an expression, maybe a British one: "dog bites man" = no news; "man bites dog" = now you're talking.
What made you the way you are?
How long have you got? How about you?
Posted by: Interested at December 16, 2005 6:32 PM
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