Off the subject, but heres Sami:
"An editorial in the New York Sun pointed out not only the DeGenova course's existence, but stated the University of South Florida is considering rehiring Sami Al-Arian, whose lawyers conceded during a recent trial that he had "an affiliation" with the people in Palestinian Islamic Jihad but who was acquitted of eight terrorism-related charges"

Posted by: JanuaryMan at December 15, 2005 7:02 AM

I hate to say it, but in a sense, the first Gulf War was a war for oil- it is the only aspect of Kuwait, apparently, worth keeping from Saddam.

Off the subject, but heres Sami:
"An editorial in the New York Sun pointed out not only the DeGenova course's existence, but stated the University of South Florida is considering rehiring Sami Al-Arian, whose lawyers conceded during a recent trial that he had "an affiliation" with the people in Palestinian Islamic Jihad but who was acquitted of eight terrorism-related charges"~ January Man

Clearly a right-wing university, eh, kj, nariz?

Posted by: Gary at December 15, 2005 7:33 AM

Neither of these churches will last long.
The compehensive insurance alone will be a killer. Will they be fireproof?

Posted by: Zathras at December 15, 2005 8:07 AM

It seems we should not only just have liberated Kuwait, but as a condition for liberation, it should have been de-Islamified as well, then it could have been upheld as a beacon as to what could be achieved with the removal of that brutal and paralyzing death cult.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at December 15, 2005 10:00 AM

If I were an insurance salesman, I would sell these churches some bomb insurance.

Posted by: Johnathan at December 15, 2005 10:07 AM

Perhaps some will recall the case of Robert Hussein, born Hussein Qambar Ali, who attempted back in the mid-1990s to exercise what some might regard as the universal right of freedom of conscience. But even in Kuwait, Kuwait just a few years after the Infidel Americans had rescued the Kuwaitis from the army of Iraq, even then this "tolerant" and "advanced" Kuwait, so very different, we are always led to believe, from the primitive Wahhabis whom the likes of James Woolsey assume are the problem, and "of course not Islam itself," were determined to destroy the life of Robert Hossein. His business whas ruined (he had been a successful builder of homes, his wife pressured successfully to leave him, his children taken away). There was at least one informal attempt to kill him, and then there were the formal calls to do it through the legal system. For, while Kuwait's laws do not punish apostasy, its mores and manners require such punishment. In "Why I Am Not a Muslim" Ibn Warraq points out that in the Sudan there are no laws punishing apostates; this did not prevent the putting to death of a Sudanese intellectual in his 80s, for apostasy.

The case of Robert Hussein attracted attention in England. And that attention, in turn, required the Kuwaiti Ambassador to write a letter to The Times of London, assuring one and all that there were all sorts of religious freedoms in Kuwait, and no one should bother their pretty little heads about the situation. And even the most advanced Kuwaitis -- the kind whom Fouad Ajami likes to visit, and who like him -- have been known, when the case of Robert Hussein is mentioned, to all of a sudden in the presence of Infidels, with whom a minute before they have been so seemingly open and even critical of Islam (as long as they are doing the tlaking), will suddenly freeze up, and become defensive, and claim, with a straight face, that the Western press had it wrong, that "Robert Hussein had mental problems" and things like that. But he didn't. It is Islam, it is the world of Muslims like the ones who seem to be one thing, and then suddenly become another, in the Defense of the Faith, who have the mental problems. They are tied to a system, and a belief, that in their private moments they surely must have grave doubts about, but are wedded to it, and when they sense an Infidel attacking it or calling it into question, they immediately revert to becoming loyal, to the umma al-Islamiyya, to Islam, and to Muhammad, who is even more important than Allah in shaping the views and attitudes of Muslims.

For those who wish to read more about Robert Hussein, here is one link:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/tc/6r5/6r5052.htm

Or simply google "Robert Hussein" (not "Hossein").

Posted by: Hugh at December 15, 2005 10:41 AM

In christian countries,Muslims build thousands of Mosques,and our Political leaders go and inagurate them. The Governments give grants too ,and they are exempt from taxes! In quite contrast,in Saudi Arabia,let alone building a church,just carrying a Bible in your hand will lead you to prison,and deportation. Islamic law clearly states no christian,or jewish place of worship should be allowed by an islamic nation. In Egypt, thousands of year old Goptic churches were left without renewal,since Egyptian law will not permit any renewal or rebuilding of any chritian churches.They are not even permitted to white-wash the old churches. Why dont we follow them ,and ristrict building of mosques in our countries-unless the islamic countries open their doors for others to build their worship places? It is horrible to see how these Muslims demand and fight for their way of life,after entering our lands,but the same time, so heartless selfish brutes in their own lands.When are we going to learn ?.

Posted by: rafia at December 15, 2005 11:03 AM

The world's ultimate non sequitur: liberal Moslem.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 15, 2005 11:06 AM

Thanks, Hugh, for writing about Robert Hussein. I read his book several years ago. He is remarried but pieces of his life are missing as he is forbidden to see his children from his first marriage. I am certain that they are taught to hate him on a daily basis. In his book, he mentioned a native Kuwaiti who converted to Christianity in the l940's, I believe, and spent the rest of his life in the British embassy under their protection. If memory serves me correctly, I think that the convert is buried within the walls of the embassy. The Al-Sabah "royal" family is a corrupt and despicable as the Saudi "royal" family. Those churches will probably be gone in a year or two, and the "royal" family will transmit their concern over the demise of the churches and Washington will accept their phony sympathy.

Posted by: maryrose at December 15, 2005 12:42 PM

When i first read the headline
It sounded so bad I figured that it must have been

A major Crime Syndicate had taken over a police station.

A major drug gang had shot up a rival drug gang.

A bunch of child molesters had moved in next to a pre-school..

But the Horrific Crime was

Gasp

Christians had legally been allowed to BUY
Land so they could worship God!!!!

Oh the Horror...

You would think with all of the Fury...
That a mosque had been build for training the next wave of Islamic Terrorists...

But we ALL KNOW that muslims never do that...
We ALL KNOW islam is the religion of Pieces...

So it MUST by Default be

A zionist PLOT to take over the world...

They must stop all of the BAPTIST baptisms
Lutheran food kitchens
Catholic charities

before their evil christian deeds spread in the islamic world...

Like
Telling the message of Gods Love
"Peace on earth good will tward men."

Actions like
Feeding the hungry.

Clothing the naked.

Freeing the oppressed.

Rebuilding Iraq for the Iraqi people.

Medicines and doctors for earthquake victims in pakistan.

Posted by: jingoist at December 15, 2005 12:54 PM

"before their evil christian deeds spread in the islamic world...

Like
Telling the message of Gods Love
"Peace on earth good will tward men."

Actions like
Feeding the hungry.

Clothing the naked.

Freeing the oppressed.

Rebuilding Iraq for the Iraqi people.

Medicines and doctors for earthquake victims in pakistan."

Muslims do all of this and more - not that your anti-Muslim media would tell you that

Do you know about zakat ? Its one of the five pillars of Islam incumbent on every Muslims - to give 2.5% of their income to the poor and needy.

I wish Kuwaitis and Iraqis could read this board and see what hatred you people have for Muslims and Islam - then they'd think twice about building churches for people like you or that you give a damn about them

Posted by: rumi at December 15, 2005 1:11 PM

jingoist the image of Christians in most of the Muslim world is not of people who "Feed the hungry,
Cloth the naked,Free the oppressed" but of people who bomb and kill and commit unbelievable atrocities (from the crusaders to european colonialism to the present assaults on Iraq/Afghanistan and threats to iran and syria ) who hate muslims, hate islam and want to destroy it, wish to steal the Muslims resources and conquer the whole world for Christianity.

Posted by: rumi at December 15, 2005 1:16 PM

rumi

At least you got one portion of your rascist rant correct. I do indeed hate Islam because the followers of this belief system are very prone to hate me for simply not believing in a made up religion by a psychotic, murdering arab. It is Islam that must be stopped as a political force, and stopped it will be. Get used to the idea.

And how wonderful muslims are for giving to charitable causes, I almost want to shed a tear I'm so touched, not! Zakat is paid because muslims are commanded/ordered to pay, not out of the goodness of their hearts. This system was invented by psycho mo so he could enrich himself, pure and simple.

You have made a bad decision in being one of mo's followers. But the good news is, you can flea this fatally flawed belief system if you're man enough. Run rumi run.

Posted by: William The Crusader at December 15, 2005 2:25 PM

Rumi, this one's for You!

http://www.islamreview.com/aboutus.htm#background

Posted by: Gary at December 15, 2005 2:32 PM

So, Christians are good enough to sacrifice their sons to save Kuwait, but not good enough to openly worship on its petroleum-soaked sand. Fie upon the house of Sabah!

Posted by: Kepha at December 15, 2005 2:41 PM

Rumi-

Please direct me to an Islamic charity that is helping the displaced Christians and animists of Darfur with food, clothing, education, and repatriation to their former homes.

Posted by: treehugger at December 15, 2005 2:47 PM

rumi writes:
" the image of Christians in most of the Muslim world"

You wouldn't know anything about that.

Rather than take your typical (like the pedophile
prophet you worhip) lying rant to be true, I can simply observe immigration patterns.

Any nonmuslims trying to move en masse to a
mohammadan nation? No? Why is that?

How about the other way? Kind of obvious, isn't it?
Muslim nations stink, because Islam itself is a
disgusting antihuman ideology which turns people
into monsters, and has no place in the civilized world.

We can only hope Ali Sina is right, that you come
to see this. I think he's wrong, and that we'll have
to kill most of you, but I hope I'm mistaken.

Posted by: American at December 15, 2005 3:47 PM

Clearly a right-wing university, eh, kj, nariz? Posted by: Gary

Who is Governor of Florida, which party runs Florida? What is the name of the Governor of Florida and is the Univcrsity of South Florida a state university, thus under the control of the Governator Jeb, or is it a church sponsored university, like the vast majority of universities?

By the way Gary, your left vs right dichotomy of Good guy v bad guy is way too simplistic, how about if I introduce you to legions of right wing, Christian, pro Palestinian anti Zionists..
the least of which would be Pat Buchanan, progressing to the Chalcedon Foundation and those who consider themselves paleo conservatives, all the way up to the extremely conservative, stridently family values types of Christian Identity and yes, even the conservative, family values, anti liberal, anti leftist Presbyterians and Missouri Synod Methodists.

Want more?

Posted by: Nariz at December 15, 2005 3:48 PM

1. I do not HATE Arabs, Indonesians, or any other RACE.

2. Islam is not a race it is a demonic DEATH CULT.

3. America has saved muslims lands not once or twice but three times so far in the last 10 years.

4. Name ANY muslim nation (Even ONE) that has ever EVER helped any Christian, Jew, Hindu, Infidel.
Answer : NONE

5. Name ANY muslim charity that offered any real assistance (Other than to spread the sword of Islam)
Answer : NONE

6. Name ANY muslim nation that has EVER sent its own sons and daughters to DEFEND a NON Muslim or christian, infidel , jewish nation
Answer : NONE

7. The crusades were in RESPONSE to ISLAMIC Attacks against the Catholic and other Christian countries in Europe. By the Way how many Millions of NON muslims were totally wiped out by Islamic Genocide..

I do not HATE any even muslim..

but i REALIZE the SHEER Hatred of Islam against ALL non muslims, and the DANGER Islam represents to the ENTIRE FREE world..

So if you want to bend over and kiss the nazi boots of the Islamic Whordes.. Go ahead..

For me an my house we will NEVER
Surrender to the EVIL called Islam..

Posted by: jingoist at December 15, 2005 3:55 PM

nariz~ so you Are saying this university is right-wing? Proof please! Links!

Posted by: Gary at December 15, 2005 4:02 PM

[quote]nariz~ so you Are saying this university is right-wing? Proof please! Links!
Posted by: Gary [/quote]

Are you saying this university is left wing? Proof please! Links!.

See it is all in the definitions and who controls them, but guess who controls the university system of Florida? A Republican Government, whose leader happens to be the brother of the U.S. of A.

And what more proof do you need than that. The hand at the tiller of the ship of state is a conservative.

By the way you ignored my other comments about Right Wing anti Zionists and pro Palestinians.

You see, there is the Right Wing and there is the Right Wing, and divided they are on Zionism and the mid east.. but one thing they stand united on Gary (and this is I think, where your head is really at, and your only real concern) The Culture War.

Here's a Paleoconservative Magazine(anti liberal,, anti left, very pro "family values") that is not very friendly towards Israel. [url=http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Gottfried/OpinionsComplaints.html">Chronicles

Excerpt of a piece by Paul Gottfried.

Is Israel, one might ask, the kind of polity that its Jewish defenders would want for a Christian America or for a nationalist Europe? And if not, why do Jews have a preferential right to be ethnic nationalists? Does believing that Jews have a right to their own country require for the sake of consistency the acceptance of an English right to an English country? I have asked these questions many times, but honest answers, as opposed to outbursts of sputtering rage, have been few and far between.

Give it up Gary, you've been busted.

Posted by: Nariz at December 15, 2005 4:10 PM

What's a Spade to you, nose, a diamond?

You are as Wrong about me as you are Wrong about the True Christian.

You can have your culture war- right after we win the Real war against the islamic threat. Seeing as this may require several more decades, I guess you'll just have to pass it on to someone else... no utopia in your lifetime.

(sorry everyone, in a mood. And must get back to cooking dinner).

Posted by: Gary at December 15, 2005 4:13 PM

Gary says:

What's a Spade to you, nose, a diamond?

You still insist on proving to everyone that you are infantile Gary, by calling names.

Does your Daddy know that you misuse the computer.

[You are as Wrong about me as you are Wrong about the True Christian.

You aren't a true Christian Gary, Jesus would spit you out of his mouth.

You can have your culture war- right after we win the Real war against the islamic threat.

No Gary it is your Culture War, the Culture war was declared by those radicals euphemized as conservatives and right.

Seeing as this may require several more decades, I guess you'll just have to pass it on to someone else... no utopia in your lifetime.

Thanks for admitting that the Christian Rights idea of utopia is a conformist, socially communist world, where a man is judged by his religious purity.. oh that's the puritans isn't it.

Well that's also the Evangelical, Catholic and Paleoconservative notion of utopia, the perfect society.

If it wasn't, then the struggle to preserve the west from Islam just might attract more "liberuls and leftists".

You don't realize it but your religious ideological war (and it is recognized as such) alienates those whom you need as allies..it certainly alienates me and I find it taxes my patience to wage an anti Jihad (which I just happen to do in a hostile environment elsewheres, not like you and your ilk, who sing, rant and blather to a friendly choir).

Posted by: Nariz at December 15, 2005 4:23 PM

Today I accidentally stepped on a snail on the sidewalk in front of our house, and I thought, I too am like that snail. I build a defensive wall around myself, a "shell' if you will. But my shell isn't made out of a hard, protective substance. Mine is made out of tin-foil and paper bags.

-j. Handey

Posted by: otterfisher at December 15, 2005 7:40 PM

The Mohammedan poster 'rumi' above deludes himself:

Actions like
Feeding the hungry.

Clothing the naked.

Freeing the oppressed.

Rebuilding Iraq for the Iraqi people.

Medicines and doctors for earthquake victims in pakistan."

Muslims do all of this and more - not that your anti-Muslim media would tell you that

Do you know about zakat ? Its one of the five pillars of Islam incumbent on every Muslims - to give 2.5% of their income to the poor and needy.

rumi:
Australia gave a billion dollars for the tsunami victims in Aceh and were told to piss off because they have 'sharia law' and must
'cover up' before their help. Mushi of Pukestan was bagging shamelessly for the earthquake-affected mobots, so obviously your zakat didn't go very far. But far enough to build nukes and to fight the jihad in Cashmere.
Never will I contribute even a brass razoo for any Mohammedan. You complain about us hating them? Mohammedans suck the hatred in with the mothers milk!
Whom are you kidding?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at December 15, 2005 8:19 PM

nariz:
the Culture war was declared by those radicals euphemized as conservatives and right.

The war was declared by conservatives and the right? Do we really need to get into this again...
You can start by explaining how this is true, if you have that much imagination.

Posted by: AngryMuppet at December 15, 2005 8:30 PM

present assaults on Iraq

Sorry. Prevents voter fraud.

Posted by: Beagle at December 15, 2005 9:40 PM

Zakat for muslims is just common sense.

Even Satan has enough brains to look after his own.

Posted by: Mike_W at December 15, 2005 9:43 PM

Nariz is obviously a deluded dhimmi who wants to blame Christianity for everything.

I'm sure he believes Christians forced Islamic murderers to fly into the twin towers... or probably wears a tin foil hat and believes Christians flew the planes themselves.

Some people can't get over their hatred long enough to see past their bigotry. Nope, just blame Christians.

Hell, I can live with atheists... how come they can't live with me?

Posted by: Mussolini at December 15, 2005 9:46 PM

Poor Rumi. He could not help himself. The thought of even two churches being built on "Islamic" lands are more that his prgrammed mind can process. Rumi is just one of millions of Muslims who channel the same hatred taught to them by following their religion. Rumi is enraged, enflamed, misunderstood and a victim....he is, well, a typical Muslim.

Posted by: maryrose at December 15, 2005 10:35 PM

One-for-one should be the rule. For every mosque that is permitted in the Infidel world, one church, synagogue, Hindu temple, depending on where the mosque is built, must be permitted -- one of similar size, and prominence -- within Dar al-Islam. Simple reciprocity. And no punishment for apostasy, so that there is freedom of conscience. Otherwise, no further permission for the building of mosques (and those implicated, either because they contain doubtful items -- false passports, explosives, audiocassettes and videocassettes about vioulence and warfare -- or because what goes on in the course of services tends tothreaten the wellbeing of Infidels. If, for example, the contents of khutbas preach hatred of Infidels, the duty of Jihad to spread Islam until it conquers the globe and Muslims rule, then not only should that particular imam be sent packing, but the mosque itself closed. Enough of this, and the idea of what constitutes reasonable -- non-life-threatening -- conduct will be established.

It is difficult to imagine what, other than violence and the Jihad and discussions of the right of Islam "to dominate and not to be dominated," can conceivably be the subject of khutbas. It would be like banning, in a standard Christian service, such words as "mercy" and "peace" and "justice" (which is not to deny that many who attend such often treacly sermonizing nonetheless remain quite unpeaceful and unjust). Such khutba-monitoring already goes on, in Turkey and Tunisia and elsewhere (even in Saudi Arabia and Jordan, to make sure that those who preach takfiri denunciations of other Muslims are monitored and often silenced).

Reciprocity. That's a reasonable demand. Since Islam is far more than what we mean when we use the word "religion," it is the political and geopolitical aspects of that belief-system that clearly need to be monitored by the security services, and allowing people to simply wave, as all-purpose protection, the word "religion" as if that were enough to prevent any such monitoring -- well, by now informed people will be able to dismiss that kind of thing.

Posted by: Hugh at December 15, 2005 11:24 PM

Rumi wrote: " jingoist the image of Christians in most of the Muslim world is not of people who "Feed the hungry, Cloth the naked,Free the oppressed" but of people who bomb and kill and commit unbelievable atrocities (from the crusaders to european colonialism to the present assaults on Iraq/Afghanistan and threats to iran and syria ) who hate muslims, hate islam and want to destroy it, wish to steal the Muslims resources and conquer the whole world for Christianity.

Rumi: Remember that you live in an Islamic world that is very biased and misinformed against Christianity and the western world.

Remember that you have been brainwashed by your insular Islamic culture to believe that the Christian West and ALL NON-MUSLIMS ARE INFERIOR AND NEED TO BE CLAIMED FOR ISLAM.

Where do these views originate? I don't have to think very hard to come up with an answer. The answer is obvious: Your religious book, the Koran.

Notice that I didn't use the word HOLY to describe the Koran. That is because the Koran is not a holy or divinely inspired book.

The Koran is a hate filled book that is used to promote the cult of Islam which has historically enslaved the most people in the world, justified treating women as second class citizens ( how many women can get a divorce in Islamic cultures- vs-men???), conquered numerous races of people and forced them to convert ( most of N. Africa, Turkey, Syria was CHRISTIAN before the Islamic cult forced these ethnic populations to convert to Islam.

Islamic historians won't tell you this ACCURATE historical information because they would rather lie and cover up the facts than tell the truth about what your religion has done for the rest of the world.

The Christian Crusades occurred because Christians were being treated terribly by Muslims in the Holy Land- not just your holy land- but ours too. Ancient Christians had EVERY RIGHT to fight to protect their people and holy sites. It is a fact that Christians draw their spiritual roots from the Middle East. We have a rightful claim in the Holy Land.

The Islamic cult to which you belong CONQUERED Spain, Turkey, Afganistan, Hindu India, Indonesia, N. Africa, the Balkans in Southern Europe, and several other places around the globe. This conquering started with your crazy madman leader ( so called prophet) who justified killing to advance the cause of Islam. He also had some very bad things to say about EVERYONE who was not a MUSLIM. Jews and Christians can't coexist in the land of Islam. They need to be DRIVEN OUT. Where does this come from??? Simple Answer: The Koran- Muhammed. Religion of peace? HELL NOOOO!!!

Over 1 MILLION CHRISTIAN ARMENIANS were killed by MUSLIM OTTOMAN TURKS in the early 20th century before World War II. I have a friend who had ancestors who were killed by these CRUEL and EVIL OTTOMAN MUSLIM TURKS.

RIGHT NOW in the DARFUR region of Sudan, ARAB SUDANESE MUSLIMS are committing an ETHNIC GENOCIDE against the African Sudanese. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS HAVE BEEN MURDERED.

RELIGION OF PEACE????

Before you complain about the " european crusaders and the present attacks on Afganistan/Iraq " I want you to take a step back from your Islamic culture.......WAY BACK......and see the world through another set of eyes. Then perhaps you will finally see that the Christian West has been assaulted and viciously attacked by Muslims for 1400 years. Do we have the right to fight back? Hell Yessssss!!!!

The attack on Afganistan was a defensive battle to stop a terrorist who murdered over 2,000 innocent Americans. And Iraq? Sadaam is a madman who committed genocide and INVADED KUWAIT FOR OIL. Let us not forget that Sadaam's greed and thirst for power started the Iraqi wars.

Take some time and read Robert Spencer's books on Islam and Jihad. Study western civilization from a non-Muslim. Learn from a non- Muslim about the Judeo-Christian traditions that have helped shape the western world. Then your ignorance will disappear.

Posted by: Johnathan at December 16, 2005 12:18 AM

Why even bother to reason with this Islamic nut Rumi. His brain is too fried to be restored to think or reason. Islam and Mo seems to have taken complete control of his senses and his power to reason.
From his posts one can gather, that he can never think or reason for himself or seperate fact from fantasy, similiar to all the suicide bombers & Islamic terrorists. Let him wallow in his ignorance and stupidity.
To reason with this Islamic idiot is like trying to teach a pig to sing. "all it does is, it irritates the pig and you get frustrated"

Posted by: faqi at December 16, 2005 2:45 AM

A poster above claims that:

"The Christian Crusades occurred because Christians were being treated terribly by Muslims in the Holy Land- not just your holy land- but ours too. Ancient Christians had EVERY RIGHT to fight to protect their people and holy sites."

"... not just your holy land-.." is utter nonsense.

Mohammedans have no plausible claim to the holy land or Jerusalem. They may have overrun the holy land and driven the Jews and Christians out at one stage, but "the furthest mosque" (wherever that may be) is not the ridiculus structure called 'Al Aqusa'- the whole thing is a fabrication and even if one were to take that obscene guide-book to jihad-terror, (the Koran) serious, Jerusalem is not even mentioned.

Israel to the Jews! Even the Koran states that several times. Which one is it then?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at December 16, 2005 3:07 AM

nariz~ my apologies. I meant to say 'anti-Christian utopia.'

And here's some more amusement for you. Recall how the Nazis determined the Jewish faith was a form of mental illness?

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/chuckcolson/2005/12/15/179186.html

Posted by: Gary at December 16, 2005 7:21 AM

I don't know if this is how it works in other countries, but in Australia it goes like this:

Want to build a mosque?

1. Get your hands on as much money as you can. However, the Australian tax system does not allow tax deductions for religous - as opposed to charitable - purposes. So, what do you do next?

2. Send it to Saudi Arabia! Money donated to Saudi Arabia is tax deductible in Australia as Saudi Arabia is, according to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, such a poor country!

3. Get your mates in Saudi Arabia to send the money back to Australia and use it to build the mosque.

4. Result, you get to build a mosque tax free at the expense of every other Australian.

Allah U Akbar!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anthony at December 16, 2005 9:40 AM

For more on Robert Hussein, see the London
Times, issues of July 5, 6, and 8, 1996, and the reply of the Kuwaiti ambassador, full of amazing claims, published on July 11, 1996.

Posted by: Hugh at December 16, 2005 10:10 AM

sheik yer' mami: " Mohammedans have no plausible claim to the holy land or Jerusalem."

I also don't believe that Mohammedans have a plausible claim to the holy land or Jerusalem but THEY BELIEVE that they truly do have a plausible claim to Jerusalem. It is a known fact that Jerusalem is one of the holiest cities outside Mecca to a Muslim. This should surprise no one.

The Muslim community around the world is very interested in what happens to Jerusalem and the holy land. They claim Jerusalem as their very own.

Posted by: Johnathan at December 16, 2005 10:20 AM

even the conservative, family values, anti liberal, anti leftist Presbyterians and Missouri Synod Methodists.

Want more?

Posted by: Nariz

To the comment about "Missouri Synod Methodists" - it is "Lutheran Church Missouri Synod".

I gave a 6 week course on Islam for adults at my church. Many were quite uncomfortable hearing the facts about Islam. Many times I was challenged with "how do you know this? Where did you get this information?"...I had a list of references ready detailing where the information was located. Beginning with the 5th week, I was no longer being constantly challenged since those who followed through discovered what I said was true - and even got received compliments from the class. The majority were shocked that the truth was being white washed by everyone they knew including the public schools. As Christians they did not like the idea that their children were being instructed in Islam (because it is a culture or race) and nothing could be said about Christian culture unless it was viewed as those evil Crusaders raping and plundering the entire world.

One gentleman approached me in about the 4th week saying that he worked with a Muslim woman. He had given her the materials I had prepared She said that what I said was not the Islam she practiced (notice, she did not say the information was incorrect)here in the USA.

She wanted him to arrange for her to come to our church to speak to the entire congregation about Islam. She stated that she frequently does this to dispel the myths about Islam.

I responded saying that it would be more helpful for us - since the majority of us have never been inside a mosque - to be invited to her mosque and that she and I could speak about Islam and Christianity together in front of both congregations - Muslim and Christian.
I never heard back.

Posted by: peri at December 16, 2005 11:53 AM

"I responded saying that it would be more helpful for us - since the majority of us have never been inside a mosque - to be invited to her mosque and that she and I could speak about Islam and Christianity together in front of both congregations - Muslim and Christian.
I never heard back."
-- from a posting immediately above

This very clever response is exactly what all those who receive such inquiries about "speaking to your church about the true Islam" should always do -- ask for a joint meeting, so that boht parties can "speak about Islam and Christianity together in front of both congregations."

From the Christian point of view, it is such a reasonable request. What could be better than an exposition, and a completely free, candid, based-on-texts-tenets exchange of views?

From the Muslim point of view, what could be worse?

Posted by: Hugh at December 16, 2005 4:01 PM

Hugh,

There are thousands of people like Robert Hussein in Muslim countries, but not all their stories are known.

I know personally quite a few, for my daily life and task is involved with them. But it would not be safe for me or for them to disclose much information about them.

But the fact that they exist is a living proof that Islam is not a religion, but a despicable tyranny.

Of course the media of the "free world" are not exposing this because they are up to their necks in the stinking PC, multiculturalism and tolerance dung.

They may briefly talk about somebody like Robert Hussein for a little while, but they know that this is not enough to whip up outrage, then they move on to other daily stuff.

The "free" world media are perfectly aware that this "moving on" will bury his story in the sheer amount of other informations. So the fact is that our media will never get to the root of the problem.

Posted by: rocky at December 17, 2005 1:49 AM