This is worthy of following up on. Apparently,it's too much to ask the msm to even print this much less do a follow up. double sigh

I guess that means it's up to dhimmi watch minions to do so.

Posted by: bj at January 14, 2006 7:30 PM

It is high time to start a ACRAF (AMERICAN CHRISTIAN RIGHTS ACTION FORCE) in USA to safeguard the interest of our land, culture and faith . We are helpless,when our Government,and Courts always side these evil doers,in spite of Sep 11. These Courts agree to pullout the Ten Commandments out of court buildings, introduce Islamic education to non-muslim Students,when they deny the same right to Christians and other faiths,and to support CAIR against Evangelicals,and others ,who pinpoint the Islamic attrocities in America.
In this respect J/W and D/W stand in the forefront,and its neumerous Posters stand a standing witness to the frustrations, of the majority ,helpless , Amercans. This example can be implimented by other Western and Canadian countries,if it proves tobe succesfull.

Posted by: rafia at January 14, 2006 8:18 PM

"...fundamentalists pushing the Islamic way into many matters--banking, halal food, education, family matters and personal issues such as religious conversion." Listen up---people living in Western secular societies. These complaints will be yours a few years down the road. Didn't a Chicago, IL bank just open a branch which is "sharia friendly?"

Posted by: maryrose at January 14, 2006 9:27 PM

Didn't a Chicago, IL bank just open a branch which is "sharia friendly?"

Yes they did, but the "Islamic Bank" turns out to be a fiction. they make mortagae loans at "no interest", but at the end you have to buy back the "key" to your house, and, surprise, the cost of the key equals the amount of interest that would be charged on a normal loan.

True islamic banking would be no bank at all, and is one of the reasons that there has been no effective economic progress in islamic countries for 1500 years. Just because you keep saying the 2+2=5 don't make it so, and I can't believe that Allah thinks that way!

Posted by: kenprice at January 14, 2006 9:45 PM

This also appears to be a double post. See this Dhimmi Watch post of December 29th.

Posted by: Aiken Bryce at January 14, 2006 10:03 PM

Robert,

The situation in Malaysia is even worse than the expansion of Sharia. Islamic Parties and organizations in northern Malaysia are actively aiding the Jihad in southern Thailand. The Malay regime is probably behind this assistance while maintaining "plausible denial" as official policy. Meanwhile, they masquerade as pro-American and pro-British while co-gullibles Bush and Blair swallow their propaganda.

The following policies need to be adopted.
1. Support the establishment of viable independence movements in Sarawak and Sabah. These two "states" on the island of Borneo were illegally handed over to the Malays by the British colonialists. Both are overwhelmingly Christian and Buddhist and chafe under the rule of Muslim rule from Kuala Lumpur.

Beyond this, Sarawak and Sabah is an area rich in natural resources which are being pillaged by the central government. An independent Sarawak would be a Christian/Buddhist oil power equal to Brunei in production. Mostly Catholic Sabah sits on one of the world's largest pools of natural gas.

Because of the large Chinese population in these two nations, they could probably guarantee their independence by signing a security treaty with China. The independence of these two Malaysian colonies on northern Borneo would strip the Muslim government of nearly 70 percent of its revenues while creating two non-Islamic economic powerhouses in Southeast Asia.

The subsequent loss of prestige for the regime in K.L. could then be a catalyst for the economically dominant Chinese and Indians on the Malay Penninsula to seize power away from the more backward Muslim Malays, especially if Thailand (with China's support) were to militarily intervene on their behalf.

Posted by: Provoslavni at January 14, 2006 10:19 PM

"This also appears to be a double post. See this Dhimmi Watch post of December 29th."
-- from a posting above

The story of the reaction of non-Muslims to the growing support for the extension of Shari'a in of Malaysia is not exhausted by a single story. One thing happens, and then another thing happens. First reported was the burial of M. Moorthy as a Muslim despite the protests of his Hindu family. This story reflected a general fear, and since the outcry over that case, more non-Muslims appear willing to express their unhappiness, their misery, their fears. Surely you don't want the story dropped?

How many times has something been put up about the Danish newspaper and the threats to it? And yet there are new developments all the time. It has just come to JW's attention that the Danish Muslims travelling aroudn the world to whip up indignation among Muslim governments and their co-religionists apparently did not find the 12 cartoons offensive enough, so they either commissioned 3 extra ones, or picked them up from some other source, and have included them as part of what the Jyllens-Posten supposedly published. Shouldn't that deception be a new story, and the three new cartoons described?
Of course there is overlap; of course there is repetition. How could there not be? And there should be, because the piling up and piling up of evidence, and along with that piling up the awareness that visitors here may come not every day but every other day, or twice a week, or once a week, and such overlap does not hinder but helps.

Had I my druthers, I would try to inveigle people to look at past postings. The stories seldom date. Go away for a week or two, and come home to piled-up newspapers, and note how little you missed. But go back, search around, in the dustbins of Jihad Watch -- google anything, goole "Thailand" and "Jihad Watch" or "United Nations "and"Jihad Watch" or "France" and "Jihad Watch" or "Weiss-Schwartz Syndrome" and "Jihad Watch" -- and what you find could often be put up today.

Under the article about "Muslim Moderates" by Robert Spencer put up today, one comment consisted of a re-posting dating from last April, recovered by googling "Weiss-Schwartz Syndrome." Justified by the realization that few, if nay, would have remembered that posting from nine months ago.

Repetition of entire paragraphs, single sentences, words, in postings and articles is often deliberately undertaken for pedagogic purposes. Even words that are part of one poster's idiolect -- "treacly" and "jettison" and "sinister"-- may start appearing with noticeable frequency in the postings of others. That is not to be deplored.

When a story is not over but develops in time (like the cartoons of Muhamamd), then it is necessary to keep putting up articles, not to let that story drop. When repetition of words and phrases in the expression of certain ideas (as in frequent posts about the Light Unto the Muslim Nations project), this is easier on both writer and reader. If you are attempting to marshall the same arguments, why should you have to rephrase everything afresh each time? Besides, if you want your arguments to be remembered, the repetition helps. Some visitors come every day; some every other day, or once a week. Some have been visiting the site for several years, some started to do so last week and have no idea what has been discussed before.

The impulse is innocently mnemonic, not calculatedly demonic.

Should there be another story, or a few, on what is going on in Malaysia, over the next month, each adding something to the one before, those postings would not be redundant.

When repetition seems to be unjustified, because total or nearly so, it must be the result of erring humans. Please bring examples to the attention of the Management.

And then extend to those erring humans some of that forgiveness which is said to be divine.

Posted by: Hugh at January 14, 2006 11:03 PM

Whatever you say Hugh.

Posted by: Aiken Bryce at January 14, 2006 11:08 PM

The same martyrdom philosophy, a death wish of excuses, were used by Jews with a merchant mentality standing in line to "Let's make another deal with evil", after all a good Army is very expensive and look Muslims are so many and we are so few. The Arab/Muslims and Academic Social-Marxist are very excited with the results of Islam philosophy of hate, rape and murder and with desires of Israel to continue to capitulate.
I'm sure the same is true for all Kafir. Muhammed's sanctified Arab traditions and solutions, have inspired 1350 years of the Sword of Islam for kafir of world are in the Koran, somewhere, along with Muslim 7th century Laws for all Peace Loving Islam.

Posted by: SirSeth at January 15, 2006 12:36 AM

Provoslavni

very interesting what you write
Even more interestingif we replace a few words such as

Kuala Lumpur with Jakarta
Sarawak with Kalimantan
Sabah with Sulawesi

We see the same in Indonesia as we do in Malaysia

The following policies need to be adopted.
1. Support the establishment of viable independence movements in Sarawak and Sabah. These two "states" on the island of Borneo were illegally handed over to the Malays by the British colonialists. Both are overwhelmingly Christian and Buddhist and chafe under the rule of Muslim rule from Kuala Lumpur.

Beyond this, Sarawak and Sabah is an area rich in natural resources which are being pillaged by the central government. An independent Sarawak would be a Christian/Buddhist oil power equal to Brunei in production. Mostly Catholic Sabah sits on one of the world's largest pools of natural gas.

Posted by: shiva at January 15, 2006 1:52 AM

Won't be long before the riots start. As soon as the opposition starts gaining momentum the knives come out.

I can already see Mahatir Mohammed lecturing the BS-networks about how Islamic laws must be 'respected' in Malaysia.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 15, 2006 2:14 AM

bj
I guess that means it's up to dhimmi watch minions to do so.

Well bj how about organizing something then.

I see a lot of folks who can criticize islam on this site and on other forums,but when it comes to taking affirmative action---hmmm nothing,and it is because of the pathetic reponses of us dhimmis that islam is gaining ground

Isnt about time we started to react in the same way the moslems react,like they are doing about the Danish Cartoons

How demosrations did we see when this happened

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d132/infidelk9/oct30d.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d132/infidelk9/oct30e.jpg

Here you can see the difference between how moslems react and how dhimmies react.

http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=16255&highlight=#16255

What a difference

Posted by: shiva at January 15, 2006 2:30 AM

"This is what we need to see. This is just the thing we need: a grand coalition. An international one."

Yes, a new "Holy League", in the spirit of 1571.

The battle cry can be, "Remember Lepanto!"

Posted by: spect8or at January 15, 2006 4:27 AM

Whaddya know, I'm not the first one to say it.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/History/A_001_Lepanto.html

"When news of the victory finally reached Europe, church bells rang out in cities all across the continent. The Battle of Lepanto was a decisive victory, with only 40 of the over 300 Moslem ships surviving the engagement. The Turkish force of some 75,000 men was in ruins"

Onward non-Muslim soldiers!

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Posted by: learjet0450 at January 15, 2006 9:37 AM

"The non-Muslim world needs to engage the Malays, get them out of the orbit of the Arabs."
-- from a posting above

And has been noted many times before, an independent Kurdistan, an example of a non-Arab Muslim state being created despite attempts by Arab Muslims to prevent its creation, and prompted by a history of enduring Arab persecution and mass murder, would have repercussions far beyond Iraq.

80% of the world's Muslims are non-Arabs. They are persuaded to believe that the Qur'an should, ideally, be read and as much of it as possible be memorized (by the madrassa students giving their youthful brains over to such hideous memorization of words in a language they do not understand). They are persuaded to take Arab names, and often false Arab lineages. Many even claim to be "sayyids" or descendants of the Prophet. The model for conduct is to be found in the customs, and ways, of 7th-century Arabia, in the behavior of Muhammad, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil, and to a much lesser extent, in that of those around him, or those who were his successors.

Furthermore, Islam discourages, and is actively hostile to, all things non-Islamic. This includes the histories of peoples upon whom Islam was then forced; they forget, are made to forget, their own pre-Islamic pasts. The Hindu past of India was recovered, in large part, because the British toppling of the Mughals, allowed the Hindus to rediscover what the ruling Muslims had not permitted. English Orientalists -- the celebrated Sir William Jones was known, with great respect, as "Oriental" Jones --- helped in the sympathetic study of Hindu law and literature, including the study of Sanskrit which, in turn, had such importance for European students of language (e.g., Max Muller at Oxford).

Everywhere that the Arab Muslims have prevailed over other, non-Arab Muslims, they have used Islam as a vehicle for Arab supremacism. Thnk of the Berber language, which for years under the Arabs could not be spoken in public, or taught in the schools of the Kabyle region. Only after riots in Tizi-Ouzo and elsewhere, only when it became clear that the Berbers (whose party, and party's leader Sa'ad Sa'adi, is the most secular, and least "Islamic," in Algria) were not giving up did the government finally relent and at least permit the use, and transmission, of Berber. Would Berbers not notice the success of the Kurds at maintaining their autonomy, taking control of the oil wealth under historically Kurdish lands, pushing back their traditional persecutors, the Arabs, even managing to seize more territory, possibly, where Kurds live, in Syria, and Iran?

And instead of discussing Darfur in abstract terms, why not explain exactly what it is? A classic example of Arab contempt and hatred for black Africans (the original slave trade, that began centuries earlier, ended nearly two centuries later if indeed it did end, and claimed many more victims, was that of the Arabs), even if they were considered to have accepted Islam?

The failure of the American government even to begin to talk about this matter, and to attempt everywhere it can, to promote local cultures and languages within the Dar al-Islam, and resentment of the o'erweening Arabs -- as a way both to sow divisions within Muslim ranks, but also to make Islam less appealing to those non-Arabs who have had Islam forced down their throats, or rather those of their ancestors, , but only by pointing out what is there for all to see, and once clearly pointed out, cannot be un-seen.

Why, for example, should one not, every time one meets a Pakistani, refer to what must have been the terrible treatment of Hindu (or possibly Buddhist) ancestors, forced to accept Islam in order either to escape death or dhimmitude? Repeated often enough, it will begin to stick -- it may first cause fury in those to whom one addresses it, but how can an Indian Muslim, a Muslim in Pakistan, or in Bangladesh, or for that matter in Palo Alto or Bradford, not in the end recognize that it was all a matter, in the dim past, of being made, Mafia-like, an offer that some could not refuse. And perhaps slough off the lendings of seventh-century Arabia, in a spirit of, at long last -- free at last.

Posted by: Hugh at January 15, 2006 10:40 AM

We are in an existential fight to the death...the death of our culture and way of life. Islam is an slow and insidious method of rooting out and strangling the host culture on which it focuses. As Hugh as so eloquently stated, Arab imperialism, i.e., Islam, uses hostility against all that is not Islamic to create revulsion and then forgetfulness of all things non-Islamic. Our choice is either to give in or to vigorously defend our culture and way of life. Unfortunately to do so we must use the same psychology: revulsion toward all things Islamic...there is no middle ground when dealing with Islam.

Posted by: epg at January 15, 2006 11:13 AM

Have these infidel activists lost their heads or what.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 15, 2006 11:32 AM

Malaysia has the loud, foul mouthed Marthier Mohamed to advance the arab/muslim agenda. While he was in power he foul mouthed the west all the time. A typical ungrateful Muslim who was educated in the West. Malaysia today is what it is, because of the West. Thanks to the West it brought about civil order and prosperity to a group of feudal archaic backward states.

Posted by: faqi at January 15, 2006 2:00 PM

epg posted: We are in an existential fight to the death...the death of our culture and way of life. Islam is an slow and insidious method of rooting out and strangling the host culture on which it focuses.

Most people do not realise this. The time scale for strangulation of our culture is in the decades or even a century or more. In a couple of hundred years, muslims will be a far greater proportion of the population, if not an outright majority. Moreover they will legitimately see themselves as native to the West. It is then we can expect a civil war followed by partition. All over the West that is the scenario that will occur - the most benign one on offer. The worst is a straightforward takeover. The Islamists openly say so, indeed shout it from the rooftops, but our elite media and politicians do not hear. They regard ignorance of history and tolerance of the intolerant as a virtue.

Posted by: DP111 at January 15, 2006 3:25 PM

Shiva,

You're absolutely right that this applies to Indonesia as well. Not just Kalimantan but also Manado, the Malluccas, West Papua, Riau, Bali etc.

Indonesia is an empire contructed by Dutch colonizers and it is past time that it break up into its original nations.

Except for Aceh and parts of Java, Islam has very shallow roots and a resurgence of the original Malay Hinduism is not far-fetched. There have been some organized movements in this direction as well as widespread abandonment of Islam for Christianity and Buddhism in some areas of Indonesia. These need to be supported.

Posted by: Provoslavni at January 16, 2006 1:44 AM