Organisers plan to invite survivors of the Tube attacks to attend with a special commemoration on the day.

SICKENING!!!

Posted by: km at January 23, 2006 11:55 AM

From the posting: "Organisers plan to invite survivors of the Tube attacks to attend with a special commemoration on the day."

Yes, now that you survivors have been properly terrorized in phase 1, you are psychologically ready to submit to Allah in phase 2. Please step forward and discover Islam (or die, but we won't mention that part, for now).

Posted by: Stendec at January 23, 2006 12:00 PM

Europe's biggest exhibition of modern-day Nazism will take place in Berlin on April 20 which is coincidentally Adolph Hitler's birthday in an effort to depict the party in a positive light.

Organisers plan to invite survivors of the Aushwitz to attend with a special commemoration on the day.

Posted by: JanuaryMan at January 23, 2006 12:01 PM

If I was a survivor of the tube bombing, I couldn't think of a better thing to do than be a patron at a lovefest for the cult that tried to kill me. /sarcasm off

Posted by: John Sobieski at January 23, 2006 12:06 PM

here's a suggestion.

why not stand outside handing out leaflets.

on the leaflets are the Koranic verses quoted many times on jihadwatch.org - you know - the stuff about Mohammed cutting off hands, cutting off heads , stoning people to death. stuff like that. throw in the 9 year old Aisha.

nothing else - nothing that can be construed as inflammatory - just the verses.

no links to websites or anything like that - just the verses and nothing else. (that way, you can get around all the crazy 'race/religious hate' laws in the UK)

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 12:15 PM

blockquote>The Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, is set to launch the event which hopes to "combat the myths, misconceptions and misunderstandings of Islam".

But surely it was the suicide bombers who were misunderstanding Islam?

The exhibitions will be divided into three zones: "Discover Islam", which will feature famous mosques and a demonstration on a prayer platform; "Muslim Civilisation", which traces Islam's history; and "Muslim World", which covers Palestinian history, religious chants and a gallery of famous converts. Seminars ranging from democracy and jihad to Muslim gardening and agriculture will also take place.

This exhibition could fit into a small toilet cubicle. What's to exhibit? What "Muslim civilisation"? What "Palestinian history" - 1967 to the present day? What Muslim "democracy"? And since when have Muslims been any good at gardening and agriculture? Unless you count Iran's "Department of Agricultural Jihad".

Posted by: Interested at January 23, 2006 12:22 PM

The more this kind of thing is done, the more the obvious questions are raised, and the more will Infidels, even or perhaps esepcially those disinclined to look too deeply into Islam, begin to do so --with salutary results. Those who go to visit, and come across, as they inevitably will, sly examples of desinformatsiya, will -- like some of the survivors of those cunning but in the end largely absurd efforts at "Muslim Outreach" and "Muslim-Christian" and "Muslim-Jewish Dialogues," be not only receive their first immunization against Muslim propaganda (booster shots will be required), but some will come away shaking in disbelief.

Go to the exhibit. See for yourself. Take notes. Engage the exhibitors in "dialogue." Informed dialogue. Ask them about the Khaybar Oasis, about the slaughter of the Banu Qurayza, abot Ka'f, about Asma bint Marwan, about little Aisha. See the change in the eyes and the phony smile. Do this in front of others who may not know what you know. Share your references with them; bring cards with a list of five good websites and hand them out to other, possibly more unsuspecting, Infidels.

This exhibit, and all other attempts at mass propaganda, can be a Learning Experience. But not the kind the exhibitors had expected.

Posted by: Hugh at January 23, 2006 12:28 PM

The Mayor of London is promoting this?! DhimmWit.

Posted by: habnab at January 23, 2006 12:31 PM

This Ken Livingstone will be sporting a hijab shortly I would guess....He is severely touched in the head.

Misconceptions and Misunderstandings? I have a misunderstanding as to how this jackass ever got to play Mayor........He should be booted out of office for his utter stupidity and weakness.

And, I hear, although he won't ever tell it to his Muslim masters, that he likes ham, pork skins, and beer, and consumes it every day.

Posted by: DCWatson at January 23, 2006 12:34 PM

Excellent Idea Hugh! Bravo.

I will wait anxiously for the outcome of such actions by our British Infidel Friends should they take your advise.

Knowledge is power.

Posted by: habnab at January 23, 2006 12:40 PM

this is the website for it

http://www.islamexpo.com

note the "Muslim Association of Britain" advert on the right - otherwise known at M.A.B. - who have strong connections to the Jihadist "Muslim Brotherhood". Yup - you read that right : Qutb followers.

Harrys Place has the lowdown on MAB:
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2004/08/11/muslim_association_of_britain_exposed.php

My question to Mayor Livingstone : were the July 7th bombings not enough to send warning bells ringing in your head you fucking nitwit?

How much will it take? A Jihadi nuke blowing up in London?

Do we really need to get to THAT stage for the penny to drop ?

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 12:46 PM

Engage the exhibitors in "dialogue."

very good points hugh. but i wouldnt know where to start.

does Mr Spencer or anyone else have a one page - print out and keep - quick step guide to what to say in such dialog? it would be a handy reference.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 12:48 PM

This exhibit... can be a Learing Experience.

The good muslimah will be shrouded in a burqa to ward off any learing.

Presumably the whole exhibition is at Alexandra Palace, not just the "stand-up comedy"? (Take my mothers-in-law. Please.) This is just a bus ride away for me, so I'm very tempted to go and stir up trouble. (Is it a coincidence that it isn't near a tube station?) Last time I went to Alexandra Palace there was a beer festival and firework display. Both are probably haram, the first certainly. This could be a starting point for "dialogue".

I have a misunderstanding as to how this jackass ever got to play Mayor........He should be booted out of office for his utter stupidity and weakness.

And made to do time in the Big Brother House.

Posted by: Interested at January 23, 2006 12:55 PM

If you plan on trying to spread an alternate message at this event, you had better be prepared to defend yourself.

Such blatant refusal to accept islamic culture wouldnt be viewed favorably by muslim attendees, and I would guess that there will some 'youths' there to make your life difficult.

Posted by: Dead Infidel Walking at January 23, 2006 1:00 PM

I sure hope that the fleet of tanker trucks, filled with fresh whitewash, and now heading to this 'sweetness & light' ISLAM-exhibition, DO drive carefully through those narrow English streets.

That many thousands of gallons of masking liquid could erase half of London should even one vehicle tip at a tricky intersection.

C.A.I.R.-ful!

Without it, some of the real history of Islam might leak out.

Like their contempt for Art.

Like their contempt for women.

Or their contempt for unclean infidels.

Or their contempt for the developing human intellect.

Or their contempt for the natural world, in general.

Whitewash is coming!

Hold on, Muslims and your lickspittle lackies!

All will be hidden from the dhimmi public soon!

Posted by: profitsbeard at January 23, 2006 1:05 PM

The following was taken from www.islamexpo.com as the goals (*) they wish to achieve... I would laugh if it wasn't so seroiusly NOT funny.

* Introduce the British public to Islam as a global culture and faith that spans continents, races and languages.

Hasn't the World been introduced to the religion of peace enough.

* Shed light over the Islamic civilisation’s great achievements in the various fields of knowledge; from science to technology and from art to literature.

Great achievements? Such as burning libraries because they held nothing new about the koran? Torturing/enslaving and murdering innocents perhaps?

* Combat the myths, misconceptions and misunderstandings of Islam.

Okay... So we are wrong because we don't understand that allah is the god of death and destruction?

* Create stronger foundations for Muslims to understand their heritage and develop their identity as major pioneers of human civilisation and an integral part of British society.

"...major pioneers of human civilisation" WTF? How absurd this comment is.

* Encourage positive interaction between Muslims and the different races and cultures of British society. Working towards a more open, tolerant and pluralistic Britain.

This says it all. Britan MUST CONFORM to islam, not the other way around.

* Promote multi-culturalism as an enrichment of British identity.

Same as above... Britan MUST ACCEPT islam.

Posted by: habnab at January 23, 2006 1:05 PM

Archduke,

http://www.co-jet.org/

There is a pamphlet section that should have something to suite your needs.

This site incidentally for all the newcomers around here, was created by fellow JW/DW'ers. All are invited to browse and contribute.

Posted by: William The Crusader at January 23, 2006 1:09 PM

Moslem civilization?! I thought the English were sticklers about how their language gets used.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 23, 2006 1:10 PM

Ask them about the Khaybar Oasis, about the slaughter of the Banu Qurayza, abot Ka'f, about Asma bint Marwan, about little Aisha.

These questions are good, but would be inifinitely more effective if they were asked on prime time TV. Repeatedly.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 23, 2006 1:16 PM

January 23, 2006
Exhibition will combat myths about Islam
From the UK Independent, with thanks to Archduke.

Europe's biggest exhibition of modern-day Islam will take place in London a year after the 7 July bombings in an effort to depict the religion in a positive light.
The Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, is set to launch the event which hopes to "combat the myths, misconceptions and misunderstandings of Islam". IslamExpo will consist of a series of exhibitions on Islam's cultural heritage, lectures, debates, films, stand-up comedy and workshops at Alexandra Palace. Organisers plan to invite survivors of the Tube attacks to attend with a special commemoration on the day.

It is hoped that the event will help to improve relations between Britain's 1.8 million Muslims and the wider community.

The exhibitions will be divided into three zones: "Discover Islam", which will feature famous mosques and a demonstration on a prayer platform; "Muslim Civilisation", which traces Islam's history; and "Muslim World", which covers Palestinian history, religious chants and a gallery of famous converts. Seminars ranging from democracy and jihad to Muslim gardening and agriculture will also take place.

The event has received the backing of numerous Muslim groups as well as the al-Jazeera news channel and the Greater London Authority If it is successful, it could become an annual event in London...

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Organisers plan to invite survivors of the Tube attacks to attend with a special commemoration on the day.

SICKENING!!!

Posted by: km at January 23, 2006 11:55 AM
From the posting: "Organisers plan to invite survivors of the Tube attacks to attend with a special commemoration on the day."

Yes, now that you survivors have been properly terrorized in phase 1, you are psychologically ready to submit to Allah in phase 2. Please step forward and discover Islam (or die, but we won't mention that part, for now).

Posted by: Stendec at January 23, 2006 12:00 PM
Europe's biggest exhibition of modern-day Nazism will take place in Berlin on April 20 which is coincidentally Adolph Hitler's birthday in an effort to depict the party in a positive light.

Organisers plan to invite survivors of the Aushwitz to attend with a special commemoration on the day.

Posted by: JanuaryMan at January 23, 2006 12:01 PM
If I was a survivor of the tube bombing, I couldn't think of a better thing to do than be a patron at a lovefest for the cult that tried to kill me. /sarcasm off

Posted by: John Sobieski at January 23, 2006 12:06 PM
here's a suggestion.

why not stand outside handing out leaflets.

on the leaflets are the Koranic verses quoted many times on jihadwatch.org - you know - the stuff about Mohammed cutting off hands, cutting off heads , stoning people to death. stuff like that. throw in the 9 year old Aisha.

nothing else - nothing that can be construed as inflammatory - just the verses.

no links to websites or anything like that - just the verses and nothing else. (that way, you can get around all the crazy 'race/religious hate' laws in the UK)

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 12:15 PM

archduke:

the only problem with your advice is that this is the line of defence being advanced in Hook Hamza's trial. He wasn't inciting violence against the kuffars; he was only doing his Islamic duty vis a vis jihad.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at January 23, 2006 1:26 PM

Where are they now dept.:

Not that I think he's been missed by anyone, but the troll we knew as KingTolerance may have found a new blogsite to infest... ...the Religious Policeman. Either that, or KT has an alter-ego posting (posing?) as "Tolerance" reproaching Alhamedi for exposing the hypocracy and malevolent side of the ROP.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at January 23, 2006 1:29 PM

The IslamExpo website lists, amongst the various attractions, a "Family Fun Zone":

An exciting and diverse programme of games, amusing activities and live entertainment shows for families and children.

Some of the girls will be the same age as Aisha was when she had a rude awakening from playing with dolls.

There will also be a live concert featuring "sounds of the Muslim world". Screams, thuds, bombs, that kind of thing? And a conference with "leading academics and experts on Islamic affairs and international politics". No prizes for guessing what line they will take.

Posted by: Interested at January 23, 2006 1:31 PM

William The C: Great site!! I just love the picture "Priceless". A total laugh.

SP

Posted by: Seymour Paine at January 23, 2006 1:36 PM

Peter Tatchell's lot should encourage gay couples to walk around IslamExpo holding hands lovey dovey style.

Posted by: 1630r at January 23, 2006 1:36 PM

This is just a bus ride away for me, so I'm very tempted to go and stir up trouble. (Is it a coincidence that it isn't near a tube station?) Last time I went to Alexandra Palace there was a beer festival and firework display.

Was that one of the CAMRA bashes? I used to enjoy them.
My abiding memory of Ally Pally was failing Part II exams there twice in 1976. I swear I had nothing to d owith it burning down the following year. It's not co-incidence that it is not near a tube station, the bus journey from where I was living at the time was very stressful, with 2 three hours papers ahead.

I have only one thing to say.
Education, Education, Education.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at January 23, 2006 1:37 PM

Folks,

In anticipation of the Islamist apologist propaganda that will, no doubt, tell us that Islam forbids the killing of “innocent civilians” and that Islam is a “tolerant religion,” we should be prepared to defeat the arguments in advance.

1.
I suspect that among the various major propaganda weapons to be used will be the partial quotes from the famous verse 5:32 (“if anyone who kills a man, it is as though he killed all humankind”) and verse 2:256 (“no compulsion in religion”). At these links, I expose what these verses actually say, in context.
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/guestessays/islam_compulsion.html
I go through the compulsion in Islam, from Allah-approved mass-rapes to compuslory jihad.

http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/guestessays/islam_peace.html
I show that the Koran does not forbid the killing of Non-Muslims.

In addition, Abul Kasem cites the Islamically-respected tafsir of Ibn Kathir, which shows that verse 5:32 does not forbid the killing of non-Muslims. http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/AbulKasem50808.htm
Another exposure of a term used in 5:32-33, “mischief/corruption,” by Sam Shamoun, can be found here (Scroll down to his discussion of 5:33) http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/badawi_tolerance.htm Mischief is, among other things, disbelief/opposition to Allah.

2.
Ibn Warraq provides a guide to debating Muslim apologists and provides some useful examples.
http://challenging-islam.org/articles/warraq-debate-muslims.htm

3. Clearly, Spencer’s PIG to Islam (2005) is a very handy reference to have on hand for attacking many of the Islamic myths. Bostom’s The Legacy of Jihad is also a valuable tool for countering the myths about Islam’s history.

4. The propagandists will try to claim that the good verses are being ignored by critics, who only cite the bad verses. This is demonstrably false. There are, according to an on-line skeptical annotation of the Koran, 403 verses showing religious Intolerance, 529 verses showing Injustice, 331 verses showing Cruelty and Violence, 51 verses showing disrespect or mistreatment of Women, and only 62 verses showing what would generally be considered Good moral values (Source, retrieved December, 2005: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm ).

Further, there are 85 Suras from the so-called peaceful Meccan period. Actually, 88% of the Meccan Suras contain at least one “bad verse” (i.e., it involves cruelty and violence, intolerance/hate, or injustice). Fully 80% of the Meccan Suras contain no verses (zero) that would would be considered to reflect “Good” moral values. Even the good verses require further scrutiny (e.g., is paying the zakat “good”? I guess we’d have to see Mohammad’s/Allah’s accounting books!).

Posted by: Archimedes at January 23, 2006 1:47 PM

I watched in horror last week as the BBC's Question Time featured Salma Yaqoub -- a Muslim woman representing Galloway's Respect party -- calling for MORE immigration to the UK (READ: demographic conquest). The other politicians on the panel could not scrape low enough in their embrace of this notion and the glories of multicultural Britain.

The UK is finished and I shall not wait around for the final act in this Tragedy. My academic stint ends in less than 4 months and my next flight on Virgin (undoubtedly to be renamed 72 Virgins after its acquisition by Qatar Airways) will -- for the first time in 10 years -- contain no return coupon to London Heathrow.

Posted by: Charles Martel at January 23, 2006 1:52 PM

"Learing" Experience, a typo that fit, now modified to "Learning," could also have done. For what does Lear do but learn, in the searing experience, the learing experience, of the play? He (and we who pull up a chair in the gods and eavesdrop) learn to question who is the Justice,and who is the Thief, and why Pomp should take physic by exposing itself to feel what wretches feel, and which daughter truly loves him and which cruelly insist "what need one?" and why all his own nothings will come to nothing. And this Learing Experience from Shakespeare's Teaching Company, will happen in short compass, accomplished by the time his poor fool is hanged. And as a bonus, everyone gets to find out what the fine word "legitimate" means.

Nonetheless, that word sporting its one-the-less n has had that held-back, but not deliberately omitted dammed n put, as it ought deliberately to have been there in the first place, damnably back.

Posted by: Hugh at January 23, 2006 1:54 PM

"http://www.co-jet.org/

There is a pamphlet section that should have something to suite your needs.

This site incidentally for all the newcomers around here, was created by fellow JW/DW'ers. All are invited to browse and contribute."

thank you William the Conqueror - exactly what i'm after. much obliged.

Archimedes - > thanks for those links!

Charles Martel -> Salma Yaqoub is an apologist for terrorist Islamists and a Sharia law promoter. seriously deluded - and highly dangerous.

more here:
http://www.mabonline.info/english/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=400

and more here:
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/08/18/antiracism_against_communalism.php

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 2:08 PM

"highly dangerous" - let me qualify - i was speaking in terms of media influence. she popped up on Question Time the other night.

We badly need Mr Spencer on Question Time. For the sake of the UK's, now fragile, democracy.
The appeasement to these Islamist apologists is just breathtaking.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 2:15 PM

Presumably the whole exhibition is at Alexandra Palace, not just the "stand-up comedy"? (Take my mothers-in-law. Please.) This is just a bus ride away for me, so I'm very tempted to go and stir up trouble. (Is it a coincidence that it isn't near a tube station?) Last time I went to Alexandra Palace there was a beer festival and firework display. Both are probably haram, the first certainly. This could be a starting point for "dialogue"

Posted by Interested.

This is indeed an excellent opportunity to start a counter operation against the jihad. I see there are many people from this site from the UK and what sounds like the London metropolitan area, (Intersted, Granny, Certiorari there are many others). What is the possibility of you all getting together and challenging this farce.

What about having a collection on JW to fund this escapde. There is no reason that our people should be out of pocket here. I will pledge $50 to help fund and organise this operation, i.e help to cover travel expenses, printing material. Anyone else interested, maybe some of our more computer literate members could setup a paypal account where we could make donations.

Lets start fighting back!

Posted by: km at January 23, 2006 2:17 PM

Here are some more links.

Here I cite some of the verses relevant to the question of whether the Koran permits suicide attacks. Verse 4:66 does say that if the command "slay yourselves" is given by Allah (in fighting for Allah's cause), then it should be followed.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/009859.php#c164912

EXCERPT----------

4:66-77. (Believers) slay yourselves in Allah’s cause and you will receive a vast reward (Paradise). Note, al-Jalalayn’s tafsir, (4:66) “slay yourselves” (in Allah’s cause).

4:66 (Pickthall) “And if We had decreed for them: Lay down your lives or go forth from your dwellings, but few of them would have done it; though if they did what they are exhorted to do it would be better for them, and more strengthening;

{al-Jalalayn, tafsir: And had We prescribed for them: (the particle an, 'that', is explicative) 'Slay yourselves' or 'Leave your habitations,', as We did for the Children of Israel, they would not have done it, that is, what has been prescribed for them, save a few (read nominative qalīlun, as a substitution; or read accusative qalīlan, as an exceptive clause) of them; yet if they had done what they were admonished to do, of obedience to the Messenger (s), it would have been better for them, and stronger in establishing, [a stronger] confirmation of their faith.} Source: the altafsir website.

And from Arberry’s (literal) translation, “…But had We prescribed for them, saying, 'Slay yourselves' or 'Leave your habitations,' they would not have done it, save a few of them; yet if they had done as they were admonished it would have been better for them, and stronger confirming them…”

4:67 And then We should bestow upon them from Our presence an immense reward,
4:68 And should guide them unto a straight path.
4:69 Whoso obeyeth Allah and the messenger, they are with those unto whom Allah hath shown favour, of the prophets and the saints and the martyrs and the righteous. The best of company are they!
4:70 That is bounty from Allah, and Allah sufficeth as Knower.

--------END OF EXCERPT

On a different front, one can challenge the Koran's authenticity and completeness. At this link, the reports of Aisha and others indicate that the original verses pertaining to stoning and breast-feeding were eaten by a domestic animal!

http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv12.html
Perversion of the Quranic Verses.
Events Which Led To The Loss Of Some Verses
A Domesticated Animal Eats Qur’anic Verses

Posted by: Archimedes at January 23, 2006 2:23 PM

If they have an exhibition of Islamic achievements in science, math, astronomy, etc., it will be a very small exhibit.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at January 23, 2006 2:34 PM

Also at the exhibition:

The Knowledge Zone:

An exciting, interactive journey through Islamic culture, history and civilisation. Exploring a multitude of subjects that encompass art, botany, science, poetry, music and philosophy.

The Global Village:

A fascinating panorama of the colourful folklore, crafts, arts and foods of the Muslim world from Morocco to Egypt, from China to India and from Turkey to Nigeria.

The "Oh!"-Zone:

A rollicking roller-coaster of a romp through Mohammed's colourful - if controversial - sex life. No holes barred.

Actually, I made one of those up. But the other two are about things that are nothing to do with Islam; things that, if not actually haram, happened in spite of Islam, not because of it.

Was that one of the CAMRA bashes?

Yes. A good laugh it was too.

Good to see the typo, downgraded by me into something coarse, now elevated into something cultural. King Lear was one of my A level set texts, so I remember, pointlessly, lines such as:

"Poor Tom's a-cold"

"Out vile jelly"

"Kill kill kill kill kill"

"Never never never never never"

"Chill pick your teeth, zir. Come, no matter vor your foins"

And last, but not least:

"Lurk lurk"

Posted by: Interested at January 23, 2006 2:37 PM

I think I'm going to puke.

Non-muslim Brits better boycott this sham if they want their country to survive in the long run.

Posted by: US_infidel at January 23, 2006 2:47 PM

"This is just a bus ride away for me, so I'm very tempted to go and stir up trouble. (Is it a coincidence that it isn't near a tube station?)"

I suppose Ally Pally is the likeliest venue for this kind of thing - must be the biggest open air exhibition site. Olympia probably wouldn't accept Ken/costs too much.

I live nearby too. Perhaps I should set up a stall selling sick-bags. Intellectually less challenging than Hugh's plan - and I'd probably be arrested which might be good publicity for the anti-dhimmi side (though it probably would not get into the news)

Posted by: philiph35 at January 23, 2006 2:48 PM

Modern secular democracies with respect for individual rights could use a fair.

Civilization bares its neck to the oldest enemy.

No film at eleven. Ho-hum.

Posted by: Beagle at January 23, 2006 2:53 PM

http://islamic-world.net/

current online poll:
"Do you think Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a perfect human being?"

yeah - just stand back and think about the implications of that.

beginning to see how the Muslim idea of what is "morally" right is completely at odds with the Western view?

As for organising a counter-jihad demo at that Islamo Expo - i can only give one word of warning - do NOT let the BNP hijack it. And if there are any JihadWatch readers who are BNP members/supporters , please do us a favour and keep well away - you know the deal with the media in the uk - one whiff of "BNP" and the whole thing is branded as "racist BNP supporters".

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 3:06 PM

I am disgusted and appaled at such a appologetic gesture.

Anyone would have thought the London bombings were 'all our fault' for not understanding "peacefull Islam"! I am personally sick to death with the appologetic nature of our society and how minorities are constanly being treated with kids gloves and appeased. How about appeasing the majority in this country who want Christian celebrations and traditions held up in such a light as the Islam expo?!

If there are to be peaceful demonstrations count me in!

Posted by: ausbrit at January 23, 2006 3:14 PM

Our friend Derek has a competing exhibition at the link below. I think it's lovely, and I wish it had a wider audience. Well, ehy, you could pass around the link yourself. Why didn't I think of that?

http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/

Posted by: sonofwalker at January 23, 2006 3:15 PM

As for organising a counter-jihad demo at that Islamo Expo - i can only give one word of warning - do NOT let the BNP hijack it. And if there are any JihadWatch readers who are BNP members/supporters , please do us a favour and keep well away - you know the deal with the media in the uk - one whiff of "BNP" and the whole thing is branded as "racist BNP supporters".

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 03:06 PM

All the more reason to get organized now. I am sure I am not alone in hoping that something is going to be done by the people of the UK.

Come on guys get organized, get an official sounding name, distance your self from the BNP and go for it.

Posted by: km at January 23, 2006 3:25 PM

Archduke is right.

I think it is important to reach the survivors, as well as the family members and loved ones of those killed. It's important to reach them, perhaps through an advertisement which provides a phone number or a web-site. Once they see what Islam is really all about, and what an insult this pro-Islam exhibition is to the victims of 7/7, they could provide important voices of opposition to this non-sense. A counter-demonstration would be a good idea.

Frankly, I hope the exhibit goes ahead, precisely because it provides us with a golden opportunity to expose Islamic imperialism and intolerance.

Let's keep the spotlight on Islamic intolerance.

List of some Koranic insults directed toward Non-Muslims. Why not distribute a leaflet containing this:

What the Qur'an Says About Non-Muslims

According to the Qur'an, disbelievers (non-Muslims): are “worst of created beings” (98:6), are “miscreants” (2:99, 24:55), are the worst beasts in Allah’s sight (8:22, 8:55); (Christians and/or Jews are) turned into “apes and/or pigs” (2:65-66, 5:58-60, 7:166); (idolaters are) unclean (9:28); “evil” is upon them (16:27), evil (2:91, 2:99); “wicked” (80:42, 9:125); the “wrong-doers” (42:45, 2:254, 5:45); evil-doers (42:44); they have no good in them (8:23); are “guilty” for disbelieving (45:31, 83:29); on the side of Satan and are fighting for him (4:76-77); of the party of Satan (58:19); Allah assigns them devils for protecting friends (7:27); they choose devils for protecting friends (7:30); are partisan against Allah (25:55); “enemy” and “perverted” (63:4); disgraced lives (22:9); hypocrites (4:61); have a “diseased heart” (2:10, 9:125); are ill (84:20); deaf, dumb, and blind, and have no sense (2:171); deaf and dumb and in darkness, Allah sends them astray (6:39); have no sense (5:103); a folk who do not understand (9:127); their fathers were unintelligent and had no knowledge or guidance (2:170, 5:104); are “a folk without intelligence”/ “most ignorant” (8:65, 6:111); losers who are deceived by Allah (2:6), and deceived by Satan (4:60); liars/they lie (2:10, 9:42, 16:39, 16:105, 59:11) “losers” (7:179); foolish and liars (7:66), liars and losers (58:18-19), false pride and schism (38:2).

Shouldn't this list disarm the usual PC-defences of Islam?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 23, 2006 3:29 PM

I will lend assistance in any way possible. If there is an organised demonstration please post it here. I want to help.

Posted by: ausbrit at January 23, 2006 3:35 PM

islam offends me
http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=22057&highlight=#22057

Posted by: infidel-k9 at January 23, 2006 3:38 PM

and dont forget to give Peter Tatchell a call or an email about it...

dig up every link you can find about gay rights in Iran/Saudi and send it to him.

broad coalition here folks. gay rights liberals all the way across to neo-con right wingers...

get ex-muslims involved.

get iranian exiles involved.

get feminists involved.

give the pro-Israeli folks a call.

heck - that IS our western civilisation. time to stand up and shout about it - loud and proud.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 3:38 PM

here's a suggestion. why not stand outside handing out leaflets. on the leaflets are the Koranic verses quoted many times on jihadwatch.org - you know - the stuff about Mohammed cutting off hands, cutting off heads , stoning people to death. stuff like that. throw in the 9 year old Aisha. nothing else - nothing that can be construed as inflammatory - just the verses. no links to websites or anything like that - just the verses and nothing else. (that way, you can get around all the crazy 'race/religious hate' laws in the UK)
Posted by: archduke

Archduke

Great suggestion. My only improvisation on this would be to organize as many survivors you can find, and have them distribute it. While the ordinary Brits distributing it could be hauled up for trouble, doing that to the survivors of the blasts would be a major PR damage for anyone who engages in it. Only thing it should take is convincing enough survivors who don't have a positive view of Islam to do it. How difficult would that be?

I remember some years ago, when the movie "Siege" came out, and I had gone to watch it. When I returned, I saw a leaflet stuck to the windshield of my car with all the claims about how that movie distorted Muslims. Since I didn't get to see the lovable Mohammedans who had left it there, I put it under the wheel of my car and backed out of the lot.

Good thing they didn't leave a Quran

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 23, 2006 3:42 PM

legally will I be able to protest peacefully to this mess?

I am concerned I may be arrested for expressing my opinion (so much for free speach) without recieving free bed and breakfast care of 'New Labour'.. Any ideas if protesting is still legal?

Posted by: ausbrit at January 23, 2006 3:50 PM

"My only improvisation on this would be to organize as many survivors you can find, and have them distribute it. "

simple answer - they cant. apotasy is punishable by death under Islam.

their families would come under threat, since it is entirely possible , given the close-knit nature of Pakistani/Middle Eastern groups in the UK, that Jihadists attending the Expo would be able to find out who they are - unless they clad themselves in balaclavas.

Having John Smith from Tunbridge Wells doing it, would be a far safer option.

Remember Theo Van Gogh? Thats the situation we're living under right now.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 3:53 PM

"Any ideas if protesting is still legal?"

god knows. you could be arrested for "breach of the peace" - or acts that could LEAD to a breach of the peace.

i would inform the local British police station beforehand and get their advice. Might as well play safe - British coppers just hate unannounced protests. If its pre-warned, then they are usual ok with it - gives them time to organise a few coppers for your protection.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 3:55 PM

Thanks for that... I'm thinking a good way to protest is to be there as a Christian; have excerts from the bible showing a loving religion; the ten comandmants etc, and versus from the Koran. Let people choose for themselves?!

Posted by: ausbrit at January 23, 2006 3:59 PM

Infidel Pride - i might have misread you. by survivors i thought you meant survivors of Islam.

i think you might have meant survivors of the tube bombing.

even then , that would be dodgy. the Jihadists could easily find out who they are. and they are so traumatised anyway , that the thought of facing Jihadists agains would probably give them nightmares.

then again, i could be wrong.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 3:59 PM

ausbrit -> that's what i'm banging on about a lot - WHERE ARE THE CHRISTIAN FUNDIES?

we need them - BADLY!

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 4:00 PM

SICK SICK SICK

Posted by: P.I.G. SHIVA at January 23, 2006 4:04 PM

I still feel I need to pinch myself so as to check this isn't just a bad dream. What must Ken Livingston be thinking?

Posted by: ausbrit at January 23, 2006 4:06 PM

hey - i'm left wing (well libertarian left wing - not Marxist) and even i find it utterly repulsive.

god knows how Tories feel about it.

write to Melanie Philips , Daily Mail, Evening Standard... this will slip under the radar unless we shout about it.

i could be wrong, but would i be right in saying that if Rudy Gulliani proposed something like this a year after 9/11 he'd be lynched by New Yorkers?

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 4:10 PM

What must Ken Livingston be thinking?

Power, influence, post of Grand Vizier, a harem of my own....come the revolution.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at January 23, 2006 4:11 PM

Islam is a psychopathic religion, if for no other reason because muslims have no sense of shame.

If it was any other religion that was involved in the bombings, then members of that religion would be keeping a low profile or having a memorial on that day for the victims. Not muslims. They use that day instead to flaunt their religion.

Whenever muslims bomb and kill, we are then urged to see the "positive" side of Islam. Isn't that what George Orwell called doublespeak?

Posted by: Voltaire at January 23, 2006 4:12 PM

Well, what can I say. Presumably Ken and his gang will close down churches and synagogues during the festivities - as not to offend the delegates. What utter and supreme madness. No doubt George Galloway will be a guest speaker - rather depending that TV engagements will allow his presence. Anyway, I`m glad they`ve announced the date - I`ll make sure that I will be well away from Londonstan during the embracement of the forward thinking, liberal, and modernist religion. Dark roads lay ahead....... Any chance of the Arch Bish of Canterbury putting on a Christian road show? Fat chance. I`m fairly convinced now that the heads of CofE will be present with Ken tree-hugging Islam rather than supporting Christian ideology.

Posted by: Dr_Morbius at January 23, 2006 4:29 PM

I really hope that London JWers can organise themselves to leaflet outside the expo as well as ask questions as Hugh suggested.

Having done a similar thing in Paris I can assure you that there will be many people there supporting your efforts.

Normal people are sick to death of Islam

Remember also that these muslims are on their best behavior and will be doing everything they can to appear 'moderate' so don't hesitate to be provocative.

I would also like to suggest the following counter propaganda.

Take a word document and set it out in 4 columns.

Then type a couple of lines of text with something like:

"Had enough of Islam?

You're not the only one."

Copy and paste this text so it fills up all the columns. You should get this text repeated between 40 and 60 times.

On page two, write the web addresses of a few of your favorite websites. (Of which jihadwatch will be number one)

copy and paste this text down all the colums, like you did for the previous section.

Now you have a sheet of A4 that can be printed double sided on your infidel office printer.

Cut it up and you have between 40 and 60 mini double sided flyers made from one sheet of A4. Both eco and inifidel friendly

You can leave them discretely everywhere. In tube trains, phone booths, pubs, public bathrooms. Mcdonalds.

You can be be leafleting while spending an afternoon with your PC family and they will not know a thing.

There thousands of these mini flyers that find their way all over Paris. Don't let the cheese eating surrender monkeys outdo the Brits in counter propaganda.

This islamofest is the perfect opportunity to counter attack.

Instead of booking booking one way tickets out of Heathrow and saying I've had enough. Stay, these dhimmiwits need all our help.

When just one person thanks you for expressing what he felt deep down abot Islam , you will know you are doing the right thing.

Remember, one person can leave thousands of these these things. Just think what 100 people can do.

Posted by: Sebastien at January 23, 2006 4:31 PM

"Muslim Civilisation" Seems a bit of an Oxymoron if you ask me!!

Posted by: witwoo at January 23, 2006 4:31 PM

What must Ken Livingston be thinking?

Who sez he does that? As a practitioner of the politics of self-delusion, surely he hears a dial tone inside that thick walled noggin' of his.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 23, 2006 4:36 PM

"What must Ken Livingston be thinking?"

Thinking is the keyword. Islam does not mean, as so many would have it, "peace," it means submission. There is no thinking involved. In fact, thinking is violently objected to under the closure of the gates of ijtihad, the prohibition against interpretation of Islam canonical works since roughly 850 A.D. You and I are not dealing with thinking people but with irrationalists, committed and professional emoters. Islam is orthopraxy, a matter of right behaviour. There is no thinking involved or allowed. To assume that they're just like us only different is quite right. It's a matter of emphasis: HEY ARE LIKE US but different; or They are like us BUT DIFFERENT. To project our values on them is not only ignorance at it's most fatal, it's avoidable. Muslims do not think. They do not have a secular version of the concept of truth, for example. Howl? Rage? Stamp your foot? The fact is that the truth is the exclusive monopoly of Allah, according to the Muslim. Accept that people are different and go from there. Muslims are obviously and beyond dispute as entitled to all the benefits of life as is anyone anywhere; but they do not think rationally or independently, and there is no good to come from sentimentalising or lying or deluding ourselves. Ideologues such as Livingstone can do so because they receive vast rewards of all sorts for doing so. The rest of us take the tube and risk death for it. Think about that, and think about what you intend to do about it.

I continue to gaze lovingly at Derek's art work. It speaks to me and I hope others in a way that Muslims can relate to. It gives direct insight into the mind of a Muslim. Derek's work is visceral and immediate, and in seeing his presentation we can know what it is to live that immediately, and in a mind's world of Islamic temporal atomicallity we can see what is to be done. We can be our normal rational selves and then also see the irrational mind of a Muslim at work. Same but DIFFERENT. We have no right to belittle others as poor imitations of ourselves. Muslims do not see or live life the way rational people do. Livingstone and his fellow Left Irrationalists do not live as Rationalist do either. It's reality. Confronting them on their own terms is valuable and effective. There is no reasoning with the Irrationalist. Why bother pretending? I urge that we accept our Muslim cousins as they are and meet them on grounds they can grasp. Otherwise we waste our energies and delude ourselves as they continue to make further progress toward destroying or Modernity. I would suggest that we all confront the picture of Islam as it is:
http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/

Posted by: sonofwalker at January 23, 2006 4:39 PM

Who's bankrolling this little get together? The British tax payer?

Checking the various apologist websites might be useful ahead of time, if one seriously intends to debate put the questions to these guys. Preparing 3 or 4 questions ahead of time is excellent, but being prepared for the likely rebuttals will keep the discussion lively. Skillfully done, this could be a great service to the public.

Does anyone know whether the event will discuss the "Golden Age" of Islam? Islamic arrogation of wisdom, culture and civilization to itself must be confronted.

Posted by: Chatillon at January 23, 2006 4:40 PM

sebastian : that was such a great suggestion i've blogged about it. hopefully this will be picked up by other bloggers. Such a simple idea! And non-violent too.

http://islamophobic.blogspot.com/2006/01/what-to-do-about-islamexpo.html

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 4:40 PM

I do my mini flyers a litle larger, 8-10 to a page, with a border to catch the eye. But same distribution principle, I think they are at their most effective in books in the bookshop or public library. On paper rather than card is both cheaper and sits in the book less obtrusively.

Sharia? Taqiyya? Dhimmitude? You won't like it!

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at January 23, 2006 4:40 PM

"I urge that we accept our Muslim cousins as they are and meet them on grounds they can grasp."

any suggestions on what those grounds are?

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 4:50 PM

Great post Sebastian

It seems to me there are already plenty of people willing to do something posting on this site. Can't someone in the UK just start the ball rolling in terms of getting organized.

The more I read this story the angrier I get, I am so pissed right now. The sheer audacity of putting on a Jihad fest on 7/7 is amazing. I feel like I have been physically and mentally assualted.

To sit and do nothing would be the wrong thing to do. Granny it sounds like you have been running a campaign for a while if you stepped up here you could be Britains first heroine of the 21st century.

Posted by: km at January 23, 2006 4:53 PM

sebastien above @ 04:31pm: "On page two, write the web addresses of a few of your favorite websites. (Of which jihadwatch will be number one)"

word of warning folks - DO NOT PUT ANY UK WEBSITES ON THERE.

The UK does not have a constitutional right to free speech , as what you have in the USA.

If you start putting UK sites on there , that will only give the dhimmi government more reason to shut down those UK sites. (because of Muslim lobbying)

Stick with American sites. They are protected by the U.S. constitution.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 4:56 PM

Archduke, I suggest that we drop off portraits of the prophet wherever discriminating people congregate. That is the ground on which I think we can meet on terms agreeable to all involved.

Posted by: sonofwalker at January 23, 2006 4:56 PM

km -> i get the feeling that there's a latent Pim Fortuyn style undercurrent in British society thats just WAITING to be tapped.

last election - lowest turn out ever. that says a lot.

the BNP is trying to be a Pim Fortuyn, but that'll never work - the BNP has a long long history of nasty fascism. A new Fortuyn style movement is needed (which unites both the left and right - against Islam)

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 4:59 PM

getting to know the "positive side of Islam," including "palestinian history," seems to mean seeing the Jews and Israel in a negative way. I think it's time to put Ken-the-red-and-green in jail. After all he's a Nazi which he proved by inviting qaradawi to London more than once, and then there was the Jewish reporter who was insulted by livingston. Any friend of Qaradawi is a Nazi by definition but maybe, for ken's sake, we could call ken a Vichyite.
So this event is all for "understanding" or maybe for getting yourself brainwashed. More power to our London friends who may try to bring some light into the dank Alexandra palace, which may become for the occasion like a mushroom farm. You know how they grow mushrooms?
Don't Tony and his govt have any say over an event like this? Which side is tony on in this affair?

Posted by: Eliyahu at January 23, 2006 5:07 PM

If the taxpayers are footing the bill --- but then again, what Moslem's bill does the Infidel not foot? --- then I suggest booths on these subjects:

Myth: Islam is a religion.

Myth: The word Islam meant peace in medieval Arabic.

Myth: Islam is a religion of peace.

Myth: Islam is not misogynist.

Myth: Islam does not promote slavery.

Myth: Islam is not racist.

Myth: Islam is not antisemitic.

Myth: Islam is not anti-Christian.

Myth: Islam stated mission is not to dominate the world (Moslems just want to live in peace).

Myth: Islam does not call for violence.

Myth: Jihad means an individual's inner personal struggle with a moral quandary.

MORE MOSLEMS MORE KORANS MORE HADITHS MORE SIRATS MORE ISLAM MORE!!

Set up one booth per myth to debunk. Decorate it with placards displaying sacred Islamic texts and historical references that do the debunking.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 23, 2006 5:13 PM

The muslims are testing you, they are testing your strength and their own.

If this blatant spit-in-the-eye garners no outrage from the public, the islamists will finally know the mettle of the english.

To hold such an event on that day, and to invite the bombing survivors to attend, is horrifying in so many ways. I can only hope that the British muster a wave of public revulsion and condemnation at this event, and present their emotion in a noisy and massive display.

Posted by: Dead Infidel Walking at January 23, 2006 5:30 PM

trouble is -they are so brainwashed by the bbc (when was the last time you saw Mr Spencer on Question Time?), that i doubt it will happen.

the brits, like the dutch, are a pretty laid back , tolerant bunch of folks.

the brits dont get all angry - stiff upper lip, blitz spirit, and just keep it to yourself kind of thing...

the brits arent like the french - anger in public is not their forte. in a way, they are very like the Dutch.

it'll take a Theo Van Gogh incident to rile them unfortunately.

here's a comparision for our American friends - on the evening of 9/11, most New Yorkers headed out of town.

On the evening of 7/7, the pubs in central London were overcrowded - it was the Brits way of saying , "fuck them - i'm having a British pint, in London - and by god wont they change me"

this was in spite of the Met Police advising people to go home. Blitz spirit and all that.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 5:43 PM

Off topic but relevant to British attitudes and media coverage of Islam: I posted a while back an article about Hamza in which the BBC relied almost entirely on quotations from Hamza and asked, 'A fluke or progress?'

Well, it was a fluke. Consider this piece of trash reporting about Gaza, a supposed overview of the state of affairs in Gaza. The Israeli army in the bad guy, still; and all the problems, like unemployment, poor economy, and even hostility, are implicitly blamed on the Israelis, who only suffer a rocket attack a day or so, but no one is ever injured you know...

A whole article on Gaza, on the power struggles in Gaza, on life in Gaza, and the 'I' word, Islam, is not uttered even once.

More crock from the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4631222.stm

Posted by: JTF at January 23, 2006 5:59 PM

I'm certain the exhibits will be instructive and interesting-

Bomb making 101

Throat slitting (without getting blood on your shirt)

Basic aviation (learning to land is optional)

90 uses for Sarin and VX nerve gas.

Pedophilia for prophets

Should be an absolute gas (nerve, mustard, chlorine)

Posted by: kenprice at January 23, 2006 6:12 PM

On the evening of 7/7, the pubs in central London were overcrowded - it was the Brits way of saying , "fuck them - i'm having a British pint, in London - and by god wont they change me"

Not just central London. North London too. Very close family came within ten minutes of being slaughtered by those bastards and my second or third reaction - acted upon - was to drink a defiant pint or three at my local, where the "f" word (fiddlesticks?) was bandied about with gay (and straight) abandon. Others were doing the same.

This "exhibition", this disgusting piece of apologetics and propaganda needs to be publicised. So far it's in the wishy washy "Independent". The tabloids need to know. The British tabloids are awful in some ways, but intelligent people control them. Take their headlines. Phwoar, look at the puns on that. (Eg - "Celebrity Big Blubber", "Papa Razi"). They can destroy Ken and his dhimmi initiatives.

First step publicise. Then see what happens with this "Expo". Then decide what to do with what's left of it. Easy for me to get there, less so for others.

Posted by: Interested at January 23, 2006 6:19 PM

km -> i get the feeling that there's a latent Pim Fortuyn style undercurrent in British society thats just WAITING to be tapped.

last election - lowest turn out ever. that says a lot.

the BNP is trying to be a Pim Fortuyn, but that'll never work - the BNP has a long long history of nasty fascism. A new Fortuyn style movement is needed (which unites both the left and right - against Islam)

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 04:59 PM

I agree with you archduke, it is such a pity there are no options within the British political system at the moment who could do what you suggest. What happened to that Kilroy-Silk fellow has he not started up an independant party yet!

I still think a protest vote in favor of the BNP would be the most effective way of getting the other parties to address the Jihad.

Your mainstream politicians are selling you down the river. Todays story is a case in point, I feel sick to my very core because of it. It is such a slap in the face to the British public.

There is a post above mentioning what would happen if they tried doing such a thing in NY after 911. There would be total outrage over here, mass demonstration and the media would be all over it. Although the Bush hating liberal loonies would probably support it, but we all know who they support.

Posted by: km at January 23, 2006 6:19 PM

archduke-

If jetliners had flown into Big Ben and Scotland Yard on 9/10, and there had been no 9/11 or Madrid or Bali or Beslan to make each further attack less impressive (literally and psychologically) , I might feel more uplifted by the comparison with "blitz"-style Brit courage on 7/7. But I doubt they would have been so phlegmatic on that kind of MASSIVE ATTACK on such an hypothetical 9/10... and the bridges across the Thames would have looked like the line from Dante, via T.S. Eliot:

"So many, so many, I did know Death had undone so many."

But I hope this outrage by the Imperialistic Islamic Disinformation Brigade, U.K. Division, in London next Julydoes rile the English bulldog to bite Great Britain's dole-leeching, Fifth Column Muslo-ingrates.

Free (FAUX) one way tickets to Mecca should be distributed outside the event.

If Islam is so damned wonderful, it's time that its followers went back to their Saudi Arabian roots. And stayed there until the light of civilization slowly dawns upon their medieval deathcult.

I'm willing to wait until hell, or Mecca, freezes over before the now-Koranically-twisted would be allowed back out of their happy Caliphate.

If ever.

(Some mental illnesses are permanent and fatal, as Nietzsche found.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at January 23, 2006 6:25 PM

OT, but I need to share. News still hot - Hamza said in the trial as follows: "What was important, he said, was that the tone and the ideas were koranically correct." Will the prosecutor try to read "between the lines" and attempt to miss the message???
On the losing front Sir Iqbal will not face charges.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4640542.stm

BBC "dhimmily" repeats the infamous idiocy of Tatchell's ' : "After the interview was broadcast, Peter Tatchell, of gay rights group OutRage!, said it was "tragic for one minority to attack another minority".

"Both the Muslim and gay communities suffer prejudice and discrimination," he added.

"We should stand together to fight Islamophobia and homophobia."

Can we really forgive those who do not know what they are doing?

Posted by: Polish infideless at January 23, 2006 6:25 PM

On the losing front Sir Iqbal will not face charges.

You're muddying the waters here. Sir Icky is perfectly within his rights to condemn homosexuality. Equally, homosexuals are pefectly within their rights to condemn Islam, Christianity, or any religion. Free speech is indivisible. That is the law. The law has been properly applied.

Of course I disagree with Sir Yucky. That is not the point.

Posted by: Interested at January 23, 2006 6:34 PM

"Can we really forgive those who do not know what they are doing?"

we can. its up to us to throw some jihadwatch propaganda over to the office of Mr Tatchell.

like those gay teenagers getting hung in iran.

Tatchell's heart is in the right place - he's all for human rights. And he isnt ideological - he is PURE 100 per cent human rights.

He was fuming mad when Ken Livingstone invited that homophobe Yusuf al-Qaradawi over to London - so he's definitely not part of the dhimmi brigade. He is gay rights - end of story. And he's consistent with it.

In my view - a non-dhimmi ally.

Livingstone and "kill all gays" Qaradawi in London:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/07/19/nterr19.jpg

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 6:38 PM

interested -> i agree. Sir Ikbal Slimey said nothing worse than any Catholic bishop.

that's free speech. deal with it.

and therein lies our strength as a civilisation.

i draw the line though when somebody calls for the outright killing of Infidels.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 6:40 PM

here's a thought.

can we convince Christians , particularly fundie Christians, that Mohammed actually was the anti-Christ?

after all, he was a prophet who said one day that he had a message from God, and then the next day said - "err.. no that was from Satan"...

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 6:46 PM

I would suggest that all JWers living near London meet up before this Expo and descend en masse. Before this, we should arm ourselves with all the relevant suggestions made above.

WHO'S UP FOR A MEETING AND CONCERTED ACTION?
BLUE SCARVES RULE OK

Posted by: Silvester at January 23, 2006 6:54 PM

The jihad has three main aspects:

1. Violence and the threat of violence;

2. Social and political pressure;

and

3. Psychological struggle within the believer against disbelief (i.e., hatred of disbelief (49:7)).

The goal of jihad is the destruction of disbelief.

Each of these aspects goes together to produce people (believers) willing to carry out whatever actions are most expedient in the service of the ultimate goal of Islam, which is to destroy disbelief, even if that requires destroying disbelievers.

The attacks of 7/7 were simply one instance of the violent aspect of jihad. What we are seeing with these various propaganda exercises, such as the planned IslamExpo, is the exercise of the social-political aspect of jihad. The attacks of 7/7 caused destruction of non-Muslims physically. IslamExpo is simply one of a series of follow-up attacks on Britain. The groups behind this propaganda exercise are people who want to destroy the British people socially, politically, and psychologically. This IslamExpo is simply an expression of Islamic triumphalism and imperialism, disguised as some kind attempt at dialogue between Muslims and non-Muslims. It is an arrogant expression of Islamic power. It is an open mockery of those innocent people who died on 7/7.

The Muslims behind this event are putting on one face for the public, and are barely concealing the grins on their true face. Never forget that Muslims hate disbelievers; they are required to hate disbelievers (60:4) as a religious duty that is repeated many times and in many ways throughout the Koran. To not hate disbelievers is, for them, to be a disbeliever/apostate/hypocrite. We can rule out the idea that the Muslims behind this Islamist Expo have positive intentions. For this Expo to be a genuine positive endeavour toward peace with non-Muslims, they would have to reject the Koran. They won't or can't, without being disbelievers.

This is not a genuine dialogue. The organizers and even the hopelessly foolish mayor Livingstone admit that the purpose of the event is to present Islam in a positive light. In other words, this is not a dialogue. It is advertising. It is worse than advertising, because at least advertisers are bound by some laws in making claims. Islamists cannot say whatever they want about their ideology, with no restrictions whatsoever on what they claim. They can say their Korans promote peace and love, and hardly anyone (and no one in position of power) will bother to open the Koran to find that it actually contains a doctrine of hate and religiously-based warfare.

How will this Expo reduce the chances of future terror attacks? How will it reduce the chances that political Islamists will continue to make inroads and gain influence in Britain? How will it make life better for Britains? The fact that the answer to all three questions is "It won't" ought to clue people in to the probable motives behind the Expo.

The other probable reason behind the Expo, as has been pointed out by a poster above, is to carry out a test of the infidels' knowledge and willingness to resist the treason that is being carried out right before their eyes. If the Expo fails to provoke outrage and indignation from the majority of British citizens, the Islamists can relax because they can anticipate smooth sailing.

In their barely containable urge to celebrate Islamic power, I believe these Islamists have made a mistake. They have provided us with the perfect opportunity to educate the public in preparation for this event and to truly expose Islam.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 23, 2006 6:58 PM

Glad you said that Silvester:

All JW's who attend this, don't forget to wear your blue scarves.

Posted by: Voltaire at January 23, 2006 7:02 PM

I would suggest that all JWers living near London meet up before this Expo and descend en masse. Before this, we should arm ourselves with all the relevant suggestions made above.

WHO'S UP FOR A MEETING AND CONCERTED ACTION?
BLUE SCARVES RULE OK

Posted by: Silvester at January 23, 2006 06:54 PM

I agree come on the British contingent meet up and face the enemy. Its your country you are loosing here.

Posted by: km at January 23, 2006 7:03 PM

Danish Muslims are backing down from the Jylands cartoon confrontation. They are archetypal bullies: face them down and they will back away, a lesson we do not seem to have learnt yet.

TO THE BARRICADES! The Blue Scarf Brigades!!

Posted by: Silvester at January 23, 2006 7:04 PM

"Islamists cannot say whatever they want about their ideology, with no restrictions whatsoever on what they claim."

A typo, sorry, it should say "Islamists can say whatever they want..." (because Koran and hadith give full licence for lying in the service of islam).

Posted by: Archimedes at January 23, 2006 7:06 PM

I suggest that once this Expo starts to be publicised, we start flyer-bombing everywhere possible with leaflets. Tube trains, bus stops, council offices, libraries, where ever, all suggestions welcome.

We bombard London about the whitewhashing of Islam, and we stand outside and hand out more leaflets, and also engage the 'islamic scholars' inside with awkward questions, within hearing of the general public.

We've got to do this!! We tell the truth and nothing but the truth, all from Muslim, ie. their own, sources - how can that possibly be islamophobic?

Let's not forget the enormous DAWA centre being built beside the Olympics.. I've seen no public discussion about this in UK as yet... why, apart from the BNP, is the UK SO PASSIVE??. I suppose under-reporting has a great deal to do with it.

I live in the UK, but I'm Irish, and yes, I am ashamed of Irish anti-semitism, but also, I suffer from absolutely NO post-colonial guilt and will fight to the death for my children and grand-children.

AUX ARMES mes amis!

Posted by: Silvester at January 23, 2006 7:20 PM

Voltaire, t-ham, and I will be at our respective McDondals diners on Jan 26 from 7-9:00 pm to gather in those who will join us. You will know who we are because we'll wear blue scarves.

If the Muslims aren't afraid of holding a Nuremberg Rally in commemoration of the 7/7 murders, then how can we be afraid to go for coffee at McD.?

Posted by: sonofwalker at January 23, 2006 7:22 PM

Europe's biggest exhibition of modern-day Nazism will take place in Berlin on April 20 which is coincidentally Adolph Hitler's birthday in an effort to depict the party in a positive light.
Organisers plan to invite survivors of the Aushwitz to attend with a special commemoration on the day.

Thats a ridiculous comparison. Don't know what history books you read from but Muslims are still a minority in England. If muslims held secret meetings people on this site would accuse them of plotting or making no attempt to integrate. Lets face it what people on this site want is an end to all muslim people on earth. Instead of constantly linking Fachism to Islam with sly turn-of-phrase and nothing else just admit that...

I still think a protest vote in favor of the BNP would be the most effective way of getting the other parties to address the Jihad.

...this site is scantly clad racism and if all muslims were(to borrow a phrase) wiped off the map or gassed, most of you wouldn't care.

TO THE BARRICADES! The Blue Scarf Brigades!!
HAHA why don't you lead a march on parliament while your at it or put a towel on your head and torch Big Ben. Seemed to work the last time someone in Europe wanted races out.

Posted by: Kazuya at January 23, 2006 7:32 PM

Any truthful historical account revealing the facts about Islamic conquests of places like the Indian subcontinent and Northern Africa and the death tolls resulting from jihad (hundreds of millions across the planet) should take care of THAT problem.

And of course, the British non-Muslim folk COULD read a Qur'an out of their local bookstore or library, could they not????? So why the hell don't they????

Unfortunately, the ulterior motive here is to lie to these people and therein advance taqiyyqa to facilitate Islamic conquest of the British isles. Which is being done right before our eyes.

"There's one born every minute."

And at least ten Muslims born every minute...

Posted by: pythagoras at January 23, 2006 7:34 PM

Wonderful to see "the blue scarves"(hail! hail!) are still meeting in Mc D's by the way. No wonder the extreme right never makes it out to march on the streets.

Posted by: Kazuya at January 23, 2006 7:36 PM

William The Crusader, may we link to your site for pamplets from the blue scarf page (when we get it up)?

Posted by: Rebecca JW at January 23, 2006 7:40 PM

To all Real blue blooded ,original Britishers:-
If you consider your self as a true representative of your heroic forefathers, many of whom have sacrificed their lives for the sake of their country,culture,and faith, preserving their descendants proud heritage of the English people,it is time for you to wake up.
You,as the present torch bearer of your entire country's cultural heritage,religion,proud history,should rise up,and safeguard those values,for your children's sake.
It is sad,but dangerous trend that our own people like the London Mayer,joining these encouchers of our proud country,for the sake of 'thirty dollors' like Judas.
Boycot this Exhibition if you are a true ,blue blooded Britisher.Tell your friends,families,and Church members to not only boycot these sinister showoffs by these Islamists,but to protest for the way they 'put salt in the wounds of the beraved families of the innocent victims of the Sub way bombings..The same Pakistanies, who killed your people in the sub ways,are protesting in Pakistan,shouting 'Death to Ameriaka'-for a few people died in the US bombing on the terrorist areas in Pakistan. Will they allow an Exhibition by USA to appease the effected families?They will bomb and kill ,and burn the whole Exhibition. If their people are so precious for them,and they can kill our people,and celebrate with an Exhibition?Britishers, how you can tolerate and sit?
Enough of your tolerance-Show your real patriotism now.

Posted by: rafia at January 23, 2006 7:41 PM

"Lets face it what people on this site want is an end to all muslim people on earth."

That's false. You are confusing Islamic ideology with Muslims. Lots of Muslims don't actually follow Islam as it is laid out in the Koran and supporting texts. I have no problem with progressives and reformists provided that they are honest about the problems in Islam, and, have no major problem with the significant percentage of Muslims who don't actually follow their Korans.

The people behind this Expo are political Islamists and propagandists who have no intention of getting into genuine dialogue. The stated objective of the Expo is to present Islam in a positive light. What more can I say? Do you think that, just as Bill Clinton spoke about his regrets over the Crusades, there will be Muslim leaders coming out and expressing regrets over the massive slaughter of Hindus (60-70 million over a 250-year period)?

One suggestion: Read the Koran before you start criticizing its critics! Here it is, free, online, annotated by a skeptic.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

Posted by: Archimedes at January 23, 2006 7:47 PM

Kazuya-

"Duh" moment for you.

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. It is a totalitarian expansionist ideology masquerading as a religion.

Now run away and play, little one.

Posted by: treehugger at January 23, 2006 7:49 PM

"My only improvisation on this would be to organize as many survivors you can find, and have them distribute it. " - Infidel Pride

simple answer - they cant. apotasy is punishable by death under Islam. - Archduke

Huh? I'm talking about the survivors of 7/7 - the very people being targeted by this "expo". Don't tell me they were all, or even mostly, Muslims.

Having them do it would make it more difficult for the BBC brigands to malign them, since nobody would be in a better position to bunch them with the London bombers then they.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 23, 2006 7:59 PM

In summer also blue tee shirts, silk scarves, jewelry, and eye shadow - get creative, just make it obvious.

Go UK blue revolution!

Posted by: Rebecca JW at January 23, 2006 7:59 PM

"My only improvisation on this would be to organize as many survivors you can find, and have them distribute it. " - Infidel Pride

simple answer - they cant. apotasy is punishable by death under Islam. - Archduke

Huh? I'm talking about the survivors of 7/7 - the very people being targeted by this "expo". Don't tell me they were all, or even mostly, Muslims.

Having them do it would make it more difficult for the BBC brigands to malign them, since nobody would be in a better position to bunch them with the London bombers then they.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 23, 2006 8:00 PM

Kazuya,

"Wonderful to see "the blue scarves"(hail! hail!) are still meeting in Mc D's by the way. No wonder the extreme right never makes it out to march on the streets."

People from across the political spectrum post here. I'm a left-of-centre non-believer. And religious-wise, there are Christians, Jews, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, and, yes, Muslims who post here.

BTW, there are demonstrations planned in the U.S. on Feb. 1, in protest of Islamofascism. Though, surely you would appreciate, people may be more inhibited in protesting against Islam because Islamist tend to kill those with whom they disagree (and they friends and family members). When far-leftists protest globalization, etc., they know they are at least dealing with police officers who are restricted by laws in how much force they may use.

The Koran puts no limits on how much force Islamists may use in pursuing Islam's goals (e.g., 9/11, 3/11, 7/7, Bali, etc., etc., etc.). The Koran does not forbid the killing of what we would call innocent civilians. Non-Muslims are regarded as guilty of the worst crime (disbelief), which is considered worse than killing a Muslim, and non-Muslims are not considered fully human, much less citizens.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 23, 2006 8:00 PM

"..this site is scantly clad racism and if all muslims were(to borrow a phrase) wiped off the map or gassed, most of you wouldn't care. "

i would care. and i would be one of the first ones to join you in blowing up the gas chambers.

to me - its a battle of ideas. the jihadists take the path of violence, but i want to take the liberation message in a non violent , peaceful way.

i think that you are under the influence of a death cult - it is up to me and thousands more people on the internet to get you out of that situation. i am certainly not calling for the killing of you because of your belief.

in fact - i look at you as a potential ally - once you get the death cult rubbish out of your head and join us in the fight for worldwide democracy and human rights.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 8:00 PM

If muslims held secret meetings people on this site would accuse them of plotting or making no attempt to integrate.

That Moslems regularly meet in secret and plot --- and who wouldn't given that they're planning to implement the shameful and immoral dictates of Allah --- has been factually established several hundreds of thousands of times over.

Lets face it what people on this site want is an end to all muslim people on earth.

No. We want to retain our freedom and to be left the hell alone. Go back to the worthless rock farm from which your parents slithered. Please. We're begging you. We're sick and tired of you. Go, and keep your scowling ever-bitching mouths shut on the way out cuz we're also sick of your endless bullcrap. And don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, should you prove good enough to use it (you're not).

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 23, 2006 8:02 PM

"Huh? I'm talking about the survivors of 7/7 - the very people being targeted by this "expo". Don't tell me they were all, or even mostly, Muslims."

i misread you - its a long thread i know, but above i said that i figured it out - i thought you were talking about survivors of Islam... my mistake.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 8:02 PM

Alarmed Pig Farmer - we need allies. apostates are our friends.

just remember that.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 8:04 PM

i think you might have meant survivors of the tube bombing. - Archduke

Yep, that's what I meant. I know that it would be dicey, depending on whether the people involved are still recovering, or are angry. I'd pick ones from the latter category, and have them do this. I'm not suggesting that they do it alone, and if they get threatened, it should be reported to the police.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 23, 2006 8:07 PM

would any of them be up for it? i dont know... i would think that they would be fairly angry - in fact TOO angry... might be counter productive.

Posted by: archduke at January 23, 2006 8:10 PM

Kazuya-

"Duh" moment for you.

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. It is a totalitarian expansionist ideology masquerading as a religion.

Now run away and play, little one

Ahh come on. I was obvously refering to the Jews when I used the word race. If you want to be pedantic I think "totalitarian expansionist ideology" is hardly scientific fact. If everyone on this site payed as much attention to detail you could omit most of the rubbish in this site.
I'm pretty big. Might even learn to drive one of these days.

Posted by: Kazuya at January 23, 2006 8:13 PM

"Thats a ridiculous comparison. Don't know what history books you read from but Muslims are still a minori