... police are so worried about Muslim violence they are backing off enforcement of the country's laws.

Without equal protection, there can be no real law. Islam is inimical to equal protection, thus Moslems are lawless... as has been amply demonstrated for over 1,390 years now.

If Moslems are lawless and hyperagressive, does that make them incapable of integration into modern political government, incapable of civilized behavior?

I mean, infidels aren't perfect, either. But they are not purpose-built for anger and conquest and the resultant state of permanent misery.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 7, 2006 12:16 PM

Once again, the practice of "Do as I demand, not as I do" is playing it's self well in England. Pity, if Islam gets it way we Americans will no long know the laugher that comedians like Benny Hill give us, the world `round. I'm not being facetious here, I'm serious. Think about it. The things that make a joke funny is the fact that it has to be based in 100% truth. Case in point, the Danish cartoons!!!
Nuff said!!!
Citizens of Britain, make your officials enforce the laws of the land and not be afraid to do so. If not, you may see more trageties such as the 2005 explosions, heaven forbid.
The Islamofeces feed off the fears of your politians. Let them know that you're not afraid of them. Let this be, as Winston Churchill said,
"Your finest hour!!!"
You guys stood against Adoph Hitler, you can do it here against the Islamofeces.
Forever Britannia!!!

Posted by: Ironman Hondo at February 7, 2006 12:47 PM

The BNP is the only organization with balls to speak the truth. All other organizations should immediately and publicly show the same balls and say comparable things, or stop vilifying the BNP.

I could not agree more on this

It would be good for every-body to read this before commenting about griffen

http://freespeechontrial.blogspot.com/

a lot of reading

But one very important part.He is more than willing to go to court again to contest Islam

At least he has balls

Posted by: shiva at February 7, 2006 12:51 PM

At least he has balls

So did Hitler. Actually, that's only half true.

Posted by: Interested at February 7, 2006 1:13 PM

And Himmler/Had something sim'lar.

Posted by: Hugh at February 7, 2006 1:37 PM

Even the al-Guardian going anti-dhimmi?

Threats that must be countered

[N]o society can allow the threats that were made on Friday's march to pass without further action. Those who threatened to kill should answer for their threats. They should be arrested, cautioned and placed under surveillance. If appropriate, the authorities must not be afraid of bringing charges. Those who are eligible for deportation should be deported. There must be no witch-hunt to feed further the ugly and exaggerated sense of victimhood surging through the otherwise legitimate protest against the cartoons' gratuitous insult. But public order and confidence require stronger recognition that limits of acceptable protest and public discourse have been crossed. White racists are rightly arrested and charged for their hate campaigns. Muslim fanatics have to face similar severity for their no less repulsive actions. Ours is a tolerant way of life; we must be robust in defending it against its enemies.

Posted by: Lisa at February 7, 2006 1:39 PM

In the UK its all TALK and no action. Abu Hamza gets a mere 7 years for inciting the worst kind of violence & terror related activities against non- Muslims. He could be out in eighteen(18) months. Extradite him to the US and he could be locked up for good.
In the meantime deport his family back to Egypt, they have been on all sorts of benefits for years on the back of the UK tax payers.
The BBC is to blame for the BNP leader ending up in court. Why cannot the BBC infiltrate all the Terror organizations operating in the UK under the guise of Islamic charities and Mosques? Its the BBC that does not have the 'balls'.

Posted by: faqi at February 7, 2006 2:04 PM

For once, I disagree with the conventional wisdom.

First of all, the cartoons did a great job of smoking out what nothing else could - not 9/11, not 7/7, not the Palestinian intifada, not the Iraq experiment, not the Kashmir dispute etc, since each of them could be spun according to the local variables in each case e.g. US hagemony (whatever that is), UK support to US in Iraq, the Palestinian homeland, the Indo-Pak standoff, etc. Like Sherlock Holmes once said, it is the outre' events in a case that open up the most interesting clues. And so it is in this case. While all the other events can be ascribed to geo-political forces, in the case of the cartoons, there was only one thing on display - Islam. And a new opportunity for the world to discover what Islam really is, without the blinders such as the ones described above.

The story in this case has been the Mohammedan reaction to these cartoons - one of extreme beligerance and hatred. We've now seen it all over Europe, buts and pieces in US, and all over dar ul Islam. This ought to have a salutary effect, if others haven't, on what Muslims really are. By not arresting the demonstrators who showed their revealing signs, Scotland Yard actually did the world a favor. The only thing they should be upbraided for is for trying to prevent the demonstrators from being photo'ed (as though the demonstrators were Mohammed).

The other salutary effect is that Islamic movements like CAIR have been forced to be defensive. That's where they need to be kept. As long as they are there, they cannot threaten radio talk show hosts or anyone else who speaks up the truth about Islam: first, they have to douse this fire.

So, to her majesty's subjects, my humble suggestion - don't ask for these protesters to be censored. On the contrary, egg them on, and let them show us even more of their pretty pictures, so that fewer people have any residual illusions about what they really are. In fact, escalate it. Publish more cartoons. Here are some from the faith freedom, for example

http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/introduction.htm

Once that has been comprehended, it will be a lot easier for infidels not just in Denmark, not just in EU, but the world over to read Mohammedans the riot act, and lay down new rules. Then, and only then, will we be safe.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 7, 2006 2:07 PM

Unfortunately Simon Darby revealed the true colours of the BNP the other night in a tv debate about race hate. His blather about Jews not being the only ones to have suffered a holocaust was remarkably similar to the words of Iqbal Sacranie and all the rest of the Islamonazis. Islam and the BNP are the proverbial two peas in a pod.

Posted by: Doctor Phibes at February 7, 2006 2:59 PM

Infidel Pride
Agree with you. Danish cartoons have 'smoked out'
and exposed the abominable face of Islam for what it is-VIOLENCE AND TERROR.
Re allies: would rather NOT take BNP on board but in war one has to make do with what allies you can find.Think Brits should look to Hindus & Sikhs for strong anti-Dhimmi allies-these proud people know all about Muslims and how they operate. If it were not for the loyalty & courage of these new Britons who often work for British Intelligience, many more civilians would have been killed by London Suicide Bombers.
Somewhere a new leader will rise in Britain's time of crisis, a young bold Lion,tawny skinned not albino, who speaks the language of Muslims but likes them not, can smile and answer taqiyya talk
with cunning words, above all loves Old Blighty and will DEFEND HER TO THE DEATH...

Posted by: Morgane at February 7, 2006 3:03 PM

OT, but related.
El Cid, Friedns from JW/DW,
You might find this interesting - the Polish daily "Reczpospolita" printed 2 of those cartoons on Saturday. The Polish Muslim Council not later than yesterday was threatening to take the paper to court (where are my peaceful polonized Polish Tatars gone? With the wind of Saudi Arabia, where they go to train themselves to be good Muslims!) unless the chief editor apologizes on the front page of his paper every day for a week in BIG BOLD letters! What cheeks! In fact he did apologize verbally, but only for "hurting" the feelings of the Muslims, but stating that he would do the same again and that his intention was Solidarity with Denmark, in other words he did it the JPost's dignified manner. Today the Polish Muslims started retreating - there was so much pressure on the government and media, people sighing petitions in defence of the newspaper etc. The editor was being pressurized to resign (by the co-op owning the paper), but he declared that he has no intention of doing so!

http://serwisy.gazeta.pl/kraj/1,34308,3151450.html
http://gospodarka.gazeta.pl/gospodarka/1,33181,3150673.html

(above and below is the brave editor Grzegorz Gauden under attack - he looks worried)

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,53600,3149750.html

I am afraid they will hound down this poor brave man, who has truly saved our honour!

Posted by: Polish infideless at February 7, 2006 3:17 PM

great post there Infidel Pride - really sums it up.
well done.

Posted by: archduke at February 7, 2006 3:36 PM

Dr. Pepper:

We'll stop villifying the BNP when they cease to be the racists and xenophobes that they truly are. It's been pointed out repeatedly by bloggers like GrannyW that their membership rules bar non-whites, and presumably Ashkenazic Jews too.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 7, 2006 3:38 PM

Morgane -> the Hindus and Sikhs certainly know how to deal with Islamic nutcases.

like building a 2,500 mile long fence around them:

http://islamophobic.blogspot.com/2006/02/big-fence-around-islamic-nutcases.html

Posted by: archduke at February 7, 2006 3:41 PM

waterdragon52 -> apparently an Asian Sikh is advising Nick Griffin about the Islamist threat. Hence the sea change.

but i wouldnt hold my breath. the BNP need to do far FAR more to disassociate itself from its neo-Nazi past.

Posted by: archduke at February 7, 2006 3:43 PM

Islam and the BNP are the proverbial two peas in a pod.

Quite so. And don't believe Nick Griffin when he says it's all about free speech. He's practising taqiyya. Fascists don't believe in free speech.

Anyway, here's some good news - even when Hamza's sentence is up he won't be off the hook:

"Abu Hamza will face extradition to the US on a series of terrorism charges after he has served his UK prison term for inciting murder and race hate.

Extradition would also be fought on the grounds of conditions Abu Hamza
may find himself being detained under - possibly at the Guantanamo Bay
camp in Cuba or in solitary confinement elsewhere, he said.

The United States Department of Justice said the US "stands ready to
resume the extradition proceedings against Abu Hamza when British law
allows".

Posted by: Interested at February 7, 2006 3:46 PM

If the "protesters" think they're getting away with it, they're as stupid as they seem.

There are pictures being taken, names being recorded.

Geoff

PS: Howdy Water! ;)

Posted by: Geoff at February 7, 2006 3:54 PM

infidel pride -> i've cut and pasted your comment and blogged it. hope you dont mind. i've NOT mentioned your dhimmiwatch pseudonym, as i wasnt sure if you want your comment blogged about.

hope you dont mind.

Posted by: archduke at February 7, 2006 4:11 PM

Oh, Heavens to Betsy!!, "they bar non-whites, and Ashkenazic(?)Jews", mercy me(!).
But it's a-ok for those groups to bar whites and non-jews right???
I could care less.

Posted by: kentim at February 7, 2006 6:29 PM

Kentim, what "groups" bar whites and non-Jews? What on earth are you talking about? Are you suggesting that there is a political party, specifically in the UK, because that is where the BNP operates, that either bans all non Jews, or bans all whites? If not, what are you suggesting?

A bit of basic coherence would go a long way.

Posted by: Interested at February 7, 2006 6:54 PM

I am not so sure the BNP do ban Jews, I read they have Jewish councillors.

http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/1009_bnp_jewish_win.htm

I am still very suspicious about the BNP being this xenophobic white supremacist type of party. I watched Nick Griffin the other day introduce a Sikh man to a group of supporters who had been helping with their court case.

As the post above says in a war you need all the allies you can get and the BNP are doing the one thing that no one else is doing in the UK and that is highlighting the dangers of Islam.

Posted by: km at February 7, 2006 7:18 PM

Km - the BNP bans non-whites from being party members, as has been explained dozens of times. Perhaps you're happy with that.

Posted by: Interested at February 7, 2006 7:36 PM

Australians are sick of official dhimmitude as well. New South Wales - the scene of the Cronulla riots. I'm sure many of you were treated to the videos of cops waving their batons with gusto at drunken Aussies protesting the years of racist abuse and violence from Lebanese Muslim thugs. But you wouldn't have seen similar police work against the Lebanese Muslim thugs who went on two nights of "revenge attacks". They smashed vehicles, shops, and people. They got together in an angry mob outside their mosque, chanting revenge.

Where were the cops? Oh, standing off in the distance, or just not there at all. Their excuse? Oh, they didn't want to incite them. They're basically afraid of dealing with those thugs, thanks to loonie-leftie dismantling of policing. We don't have a Police Force anymore. It's a Police "Service". The thugs have the power, the cops have none. Unless you're just an average joe who happens to get a bit rowdy, and don't have the advantage of using your race to intimidate the system.

This is the world loonie-lefties want for us. One of total dhimmitude, even suicide. NSW's government is Labor - run by Premier Iemma, who is the member for the seat of Lakemba, which is predominantly Muslim. I just hope the people of NSW remember the vile double-standards at the next election.

Posted by: feralee at February 7, 2006 8:27 PM

Archduke

Go ahead. Don't mind at all - with or without the attribution.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 7, 2006 8:29 PM

One of the most disgusting pictures of the London "protest" was a picture of a placard being held up, with the words: Kill Those Who Insult Islam. And in the foreground - two cops. Just standing there, doing nothing about it.

I was furious!

Posted by: feralee at February 7, 2006 8:29 PM

Interested: .

I think it is unfortunate the BNP limits their party base by saying that they wish to represent ethnic indigenous British, but I see it as no different than any other legitimate group which make associations based on race or religion.

The one thing that they are doing is raising the issue of Islam and this is something Britain needs desperatly. If you check the headlines over the last week Nick Griffin has done more to raise the issue of the RoP than all the other major parties put together.

This and this reason alone makes them a useful ally in this war.

Posted by: km at February 7, 2006 8:49 PM

the Conservative party can really get a giant leap if someone with balls can take the lead, the people will vote for a party who they feel secure.

Posted by: Lulu at February 7, 2006 9:17 PM

Lulu

I agree but I just dont think they have anyone who has the steel to do such a thing. Long gone are the days of Thatcher.

I dont live in the UK anymore and so I dont really keep up with the details of the political scene but I have yet to see anyone who looks even close to stepping up the plate and saying the truths Nick Griffin is about Islam.

Posted by: km at February 7, 2006 9:32 PM

Whereas the BNP is concerned the slogan. "My enemy's enemy is my friend" works for me. Though I was born in Asia, I support the BNP peripherally for their resistance to Islamic terror in the UK. I prefer the BNP to Islamists.

Posted by: faqi at February 7, 2006 9:34 PM

Interested,

I'm not gonna go search out all the exclusivist groups in the UK. I base my assumption on the fact that they exist here, in the USA, and people being people, the same can be found anywhere.

Posted by: kentim at February 7, 2006 10:06 PM

The point of my bafflingly deleted post (it baffles because the article posted by the Censor quotes the BNP spokesman without any apparent criticism of his words) was not to praise the BNP.

My point was to say: unless other organizations stop being passive numbskulls about the problem of Islam, they have no right to vilify the BNP. When other organizations DO start showing courage, THEN they have a right to vilify the BNP, and not until then.

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at February 7, 2006 10:35 PM

faqi,

You are right, the BNP serve a purpose. If the UK was like the US I dont think I would advocate them e.g I have been listening to conservative talk radio all day and the only topic is the rise of Islam. Even Robert Spencer was on today on the Jeff Katz show spreading the message.

In the UK the media is so tightly controlled that no one can get a coherent message out about Islam with out being jumped on by left wing liberals and labelled as a racist.

The BNP is doing one good think and that is highlighting what we all know about the RoP.

Posted by: km at February 7, 2006 10:38 PM

people being people...

Unless they're black. You may be happy with that. Km obviously is.

Posted by: Interested at February 7, 2006 10:38 PM

Dr Pepper

Some of the British posters on this site seem to have a knee Jerk reaction to the mention of the BNP.

They dont seem to realise how far down the road to all out war we are. And how their mainstream politicians are selling them down the road.

Posted by: km at February 7, 2006 10:54 PM

A knee jerk reaction to a political party that treats non-whites differently? Yes. A knee jerk reaction of disgust, which extends to all their fellow travellers posting here.

Posted by: Interested at February 7, 2006 10:56 PM

Interested,

You have no idea what you are talking about, you would rather have Islamofascists marching through your capital city saying they are going to cut your head off, than accept the arguments from a political party that you think is too far to the right on the political spectrum.

You need to get your priorities sorted out and realize who the real enemy is.

Posted by: km at February 7, 2006 11:05 PM

I live here and those close to me have direct experience of the BNP. You Americans are talking, to put it politely, through your hat. When you blithely dictate to us that we should elect a fascist party, perhaps you should consider how you would like the Klu Klux Klan running your country.

It is not a question of being "too right wing". Have you read Ibn Warraq's comparison of Islam with fascism? The BNP are fascists, neo-Nazi thugs.

The damage you do to the reputation of this site amongst British readers, ie those who actually know what they are talking about, is immense. A number of Hindus, at least one Sikh and a number of black people that I know about post here, not to mention loads of Jews. Perhaps you don't care about that.

Posted by: Interested at February 7, 2006 11:13 PM

I do care about that and I have posted many times that I don’t want to see an overtly racist party ruling my ancestral home. However the BNPs political points about Islam are valid and they are the only political party in the UK that are raising the issue.

It might be better to take on board those arguments and use them to lever your favored party. And from what I see there are people who come from the geographic areas that you describe above that are either supporting the BNP i.e. faqi or are councilors for the BNP.

So I am not seeing where your problem is? They are making valid political points that the UK desperately needs right now and you should try and find a way to utilize it rather than trying to stifle any debate.

Posted by: km at February 7, 2006 11:26 PM

The political points about Islam are valid, but we do not need the BNP to make them. You say you don't want racists running the UK, yet in just about every post you make here that I've seen, you plug them.

Either you have no direct experience of the BNP (more than likely), in which case you are in no position to talk about them, or you know what they are like and condone them, in which case you should find a site more suited to your views.

As you no longer live here, why don't you butt out?

Posted by: Interested at February 7, 2006 11:32 PM

You are right I have no direct experience of the BNP and can only make my decisions based on biased news sources.

However I still have close family back in the UK and I don’t want to see them living under Shaira. Therefore I want to see the UK do something before its too late.

I see no other group even mentioning the Islamic problem. All I am suggesting is use the political capital that the BNP has generated to your advantage.

Why don’t you write a letter to your MP saying you are going to vote for them because of their stance on Islam.

This is all I am suggesting and it is your right to get your knickers in a twist if you don’t like it. But you shouldn’t be limiting the debate by calling people racist and limiting what people can and cant speak about when it is a legitimate topic about Islam.

Posted by: km at February 7, 2006 11:49 PM

You are right I have no direct experience of the BNP and can only make my decisions based on biased news sources.

Quite. And it shows.

Posted by: Interested at February 7, 2006 11:54 PM

Cant counter my arguments so you have to resort to insults. Thats what happens when you try and limit free speech.

Posted by: km at February 8, 2006 12:08 AM

I'm in no position to limit free speech, and have no wish to. I'm just pointing out that you do not know what the BNP are really about, as, by your own admission, you have no experience of them.

If I don't know what I'm talking about, I shut up. You are, of course free to choose a different path.

Posted by: Interested at February 8, 2006 12:11 AM

The point of the argument here is that you should use the valid political points made by the BNP to raise the issue of Islam in the UK. Not what the parties history is or what peoples perception of them are.

You are in the front lines of the war and all I am suggesting is that you use all the weapons at your disposal. Better forced repatriation by the nationalists than a complete break down of your country due to selling your self out to enforced multiculturalism.

Posted by: km at February 8, 2006 12:20 AM

That would mean that Yvonne Ridley (white Muslim convert) would stay put. Chinatown, half my street (mixed race, none of them Muslim), Lenny Henry, Myra Syal etc etc would be "re-patriated". A meaningless, as well as offensive word, since they were born here. And my Jewish boyfriend, dozens of close friends and family.

Ignorant doesn't begin to encompass it.

Posted by: Interested at February 8, 2006 12:29 AM

The future does look grim, all the more reason to try and do things now before the BNP get a majarity. That is why I am suggesting that you should use the increased media coverage that the BNP is generating to pressure your current main stream political parties.

Just out of interest do you think that Islam can co-exist in a western style democracy?

Also isnt it really late in the UK?

Posted by: km at February 8, 2006 12:40 AM

Interested-

Maybe the words of Churchill, during the early stages of WW II, about the Nazi surprise attack on Stalin's Russia have some use for the U.K.:

"If Hitler invaded Hell, I'm sure I could find something complimentary to say about the devil."

He despised Stalin, but, to survive, he dealt with him.

You use whatever 'weapon' you know can assist in the main battle, as long you learn how to control the 'tool' before the war is won.

If the BNP, loathesome racist fools that they appear be, have some methods for bringing to light the more serious threat of Islamic Imperialism, use them, then dismiss the 'flawed instrument' once the operation is completed.

It's called realpolitik. It stinks. But the stakes are civilizationally grave.

But if it can be done without them, so much the better.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 8, 2006 12:55 AM

Morgane -> the Hindus and Sikhs certainly know how to deal with Islamic nutcases.
like building a 2,500 mile long fence around them:

Archduke

After your massaging my narcissistic side, it displeases me to have to disagree with you, but I don't share your characterization that India has handled this issue well.

As someone originally from Calcutta, I'll tell you that this is a case of locking the stables after the horse has bolted. The Indo-Bangladesh border has for the longest time been a very leaky sieve - it would make the US-Mexico border look like the Berlin wall. To the west side of Bangladesh is the Indian state of West Bengal, or like I prefer calling it, Left Bengal. (Not Leftist as in Leftist like you but because that is a state that has persistently elected communists to power since 1979 (this isn't a McCarthyite side of me speaking: you get flavors from Marxist to Marxist-Leninist to Marxist-Engel to Maoist)) One of the policies of this government has been to court the Muslim vote by encouraging the influx, which isn't difficult, since the linguistic differences between the 2 sides is minimal. As a result, the population balance between Hindus and Muslims have become dangerously close - some areas in North Bengal have become Muslim-majority areas, and the Muslim population in what was supposed to be the Hindu part of Bengal is now 35% - far higher than the national average of 13%.

It was only under India's last BJP government that India got serious about this problem and read Bangladesh the riot act. While this fence is a good first step, it is not enough. India has to deport to Bangladesh all those illegal immigrants. Only after that is done can this threat be mitigated. This needs to happen quickly, since Bangladesh has become increasingly Islamic, and the North-Western part of that country is a hot-bed of terror, and a destabilizing force in both West Bengal and North East India.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at February 8, 2006 2:34 AM

feralee sez:

"...Where were the cops? Oh, standing off in the distance, or just not there at all. Their excuse? Oh, they didn't want to incite them. They're basically afraid of dealing with those thugs, thanks to loonie-leftie dismantling of policing. We don't have a Police Force anymore..."

What happened last week when 5 Aussies got very seriously stabbed 'by ME-types?' Is that also going to be swept under the carpet? Not a word in the media anymore...

The Police and the Aussies have learned that the Mohammedans are not in it for a 'good old fight' or brawl: they go straight for the kill and with the intention to cause major damage. And as with the Cronulla riots, it all comes straight from the mosques.

The Lakemba mosque is the fist that has to go...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 8, 2006 3:32 AM

sheik yer'mami - it would be good to see the Lakemba mosque doused in pigs offal and blood from one of those "Elvis Presley" Sky Cranes that we leased from the Yanks - even better if we did it right as they came out of Friday Prayers. Just think of it - not only would they knock their own Mosque down to ease their superstitions, but they would probably kill each other also. Those that were left could be locked up for murder!

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at February 8, 2006 3:59 AM

Oh and the only channel to report those very vicious stabbings at prime time hour - was Channel 10. Nobody else did (to my knowledge). The newspapers were a different story though.

I only hope Sydney siders know the truth and are simmering waiting to explode....

Posted by: 3rdtimelucky at February 8, 2006 4:01 AM

Interested seems to believe whites are the only ones who ever prefer separatism/segragation(or being capable of racism), which is then proclaimed as "racism" or "fascism".
It's pretty funny actually, while "minority" groups can all have their own interest-groups, lobbies, privileges, etc, looking out for themselves, when it is expressed by the (emotionally)designated "exploiter", "enslaver", "genocidal" class of humans(whites)then it is a no-no.
The fact is, it is human-nature to prefer to associate with those who are similar. It is not racism that drives the blacks, asians, or whoever to exist within a core-group or "comminity", it is a means to express power. Power is what makes the world go round. Those minorities will take the power they can get, and they will happily dictate to others if given the opportunity. What they dictate may be counter to the best interests of other groups, but that would be too bad, because power is what determines truth and reality, regardless of logic or reason, though not necessarily. Races will always have a commonality of perception which will be a source of unity and foster a group identity.

The Humanist dogma denies human-nature and attempts to brainwash people into believing forced association is acceptable, and that resistance to it is evil. They program a negative response to separatism by whites, but disguise separatism by non-whites as expressions of defense or as a psychotheraputic self-esteem group.
Actual "equality" of the races has little to do with it. Because equality is not the ultimate goal, the pursuit of power is never satisfied, and success is something to build upon, to pursue more power, for infinity. The only thing that checks it is counter-power. Humanism pretends this is not so too, but the denial hides a power-grab built-in to Humanism, where-in the Humanist imagined structure the power is held by an elite of psuedo-intellectuals who view the world as a giant Zoo, and they are the supremicist zoo-keepers, above-it-all and untouchable.

I have a very narrow definition of the word racism, it means that one believes that a race is biologically and inherently inferior, they are born inferior and that is the natural state of that race. I believe very, very few people actually believe that(though they may occasionally say things that gives a different impression), therefore actual racism is mostly a non-issue.
The issue is power and control and all the cute ways humans pursue it.

As far as the BNP actually being "rascist", I was not making a statement about that, I was making a statement about exclusion or exclusivity.

Posted by: kentim at February 8, 2006 7:11 AM

The "zoo-keeper's" theoretical idea that they seek to realize is the elimination of all racial differences, to inter-breed until we are all the same, and therefore realize the existence of only a "human race". This along with the elimination of the nation-state, ideological differences, and geographical boundaries will create a world where war is eliminated.
So actually the talk of diversity and "celebrating" other cultures etc., is really a plan to eliminate them. Hehe.

Posted by: kentim at February 8, 2006 8:35 AM

Interested seems to believe whites are the only ones who ever prefer separatism/segragation(or being capable of racism), which is then proclaimed as "racism" or "fascism".

I believe no such thing. Even you, however, define racism to mean considering a particular race to be inferior. Clearly, with its whites only policy and plans for forced repatriation of millions of non-white British citizens, the BNP fits this definition.

Like other Americans posting here about the BNP you clearly have no direct experience of them, and therefore do not know what you are talking about. As I said above, when I don't know what I'm talking about I keep quiet. Such constraints apparently have no effect on you.

Posted by: Interested at February 8, 2006 9:43 AM

"When you blithely dictate to us that we should elect a fascist party"

When did I dictate to anyone that Britons should elect the BNP?

My point is simple, and I will repeat it for the second time:

As long as non-fascist political & social groups in England remain outrageously passive about the problem of Islam, there may come a day when a group like the BNP will get swept into power -- because they will accurately be seen as the only group standing up to effectively deal with the problem of Islam.

The best way to avoid such an eventuality is for non-fascist political and & social groups to get their shit together before it's too late.

A good way to facilitate such an eventuality, on the other hand, is for non-fascist political and & social groups to continue to vilify the BNP while at the same time doing nothing about the problem of Islam.

(My point, with minor adjustments of nomenclature, goes for every other country of the West.)

Posted by: Dr. Pepper at February 8, 2006 11:06 AM

Vilifying the BNP and doing something about Islam are too completely unconnected activities. Your point makes no sense.

Yes, the mainstream political parties need to do more about Islam. But this does not mean that the BNP should not continue to be criticised.

Again, I imagine that like all the other Americans posting here who claim to know what is best for us, you have no direct experience of the BNP whatsoever, and therefore do not know what you're talking about.

Posted by: Interested at February 8, 2006 11:16 AM

That should be "two" not "too". Now look what you BNP-lovers have made me do

Posted by: Interested at February 8, 2006 11:17 AM

The Police in UK have been bought by these UK Islamists. Even recently,there were a get together of police officials and Uk Prominent Muslim leaders,for a more "deeper understansing of Muslims and their problems in UK",and there was a party afterwards.These Islamists know where and to whom to 'greese'.
God Save Real Britons

Posted by: rafia at February 8, 2006 11:29 AM

My opinion on the BNP (and yes, I do live and work in the UK) is that they were a nasty fringe group but they are realising that the leftward lurch by the mainstream parties has left the field open to them if they drop some of their offensive rhetoric. It should be noted that 40% of the UK's electorate don't vote and, because I'm one of them, I'll venture the opinion that it's because these mainstream (what does that mean now?)parties are so PC that there's no real difference.
People known to me who now indicate some support for the BNP are not nazis nor anti-Israeli: they are simply people who have had enough, and I know how they feel.
Isn't it strange how Hindus, Sikhs, and Chinese in the UK form a total similar to that of muslims yet their crime rates are below that of the indigenous whites. I saw that mentioned during a furtive visit to the BNP's website and then saw it verified by a report from the Home Office. Even the 'racists' can distinguish muslims from civilised peoples.

Posted by: Allan@Aberdeen at February 8, 2006 6:24 PM

"Dropping the offensive rhetoric" doesn't change the reality. They have re-branded and repackaged themselves, that's all.

Have you ever met any BNP members/supporters at close range? Has anybody you care about been attacked by them? Thought not.

Yes, the mainstream parties are too PC, but the BNP are the same old neo-nazis they always were.

Posted by: Interested at February 8, 2006 6:45 PM

The BNP is just the 'acceptable face' of the National front, and all their affiliated hate-groups. The NF have wasted no time capitalising on the BNP's publicity, and are canvassing in my area. The stickers on lamposts say "NATIONAL FRONT", show a photo of a slaughtered sheep, & under this the legend "ANIMAL RIGHTS - ban halal, ban kosher" followed by a phone number. As usual they're a bitch to remove, all you can do is try to make 'em unreadable...

If that's anything to go by, once in power the BNP will probably also try to ban the hijab/burqa - but to make things 'fair', also the kappel and any other religious garments. Ban the teaching of the holocaust, or have it taught alongside 'alternative theories'. If they place immigration restrictions on Muslims, they'll almost certainly do the same to all non-whites - Jews, Afrocaribeans, Asians of all creeds.

How far they went would depend on what they could get through the Lords etc., but don't think they wouldn't try. It's one thing to fantasise about giving the real parties a kick up the backside, but if that means voting for Nazis then what's the point?

Posted by: Animus Fox at February 8, 2006 6:52 PM

If that's anything to go by, once in power the BNP will probably also try to ban the hijab/burqa - but to make things 'fair', also the kappel and any other religious garments. Ban the teaching of the holocaust, or have it taught alongside 'alternative theories'. If they place immigration restrictions on Muslims, they'll almost certainly do the same to all non-whites - Jews, Afrocaribeans, Asians of all creeds.

At last, a sensible person. Why can't people see the obvious? Intelligent posters who know taqiyya when Muslims do it, can't see that the BNP are doing the same.

Nick Griffin as a champion of free speech? What a joke. How free would you be to tell the truth about the holocaust, or to object if loved ones of the "wrong" colour were being "re-patriated"?

Gegen die Dummheit kampfen die Gotter selbst vergebens.

Posted by: Interested at February 8, 2006 7:01 PM