Notice the weasel words "self-styled" in the beginnig of the Reuters story. Anyone who has received credible Musilim death threats is NOT just a "self-styled Muslim dissident".

Posted by: jay at February 9, 2006 5:03 PM

The Stranger, a liberal alternative Seattle paper
puts the major dailys to shame..

"All the Rage
Islamic Fundamentalists Don't Just Have a Problem with Cartoons, They Have a Problem with Freedom"
BY BRUCE BAWER

"At this very moment, European liberalism is caught in a steadily intensifying struggle with fundamentalist Muslim censoriousness—call it creeping Sharia."

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=30432

Posted by: hammerhead at February 9, 2006 5:05 PM

It's necessary to criticize Islam, and as Hirsi Ali demonstrates, one has a moral responsibility to criticize Islam. It would be morally unacceptable to allow Mohammad and Islam to go uncriticized.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 9, 2006 5:09 PM

hammerhead
Excellent piece by Bruce Bower in the Seattle Stranger. Thanks for the heads-up. I wrote a letter to the editor commending him on his bravery .. it so happens that my son and daughter in law have just moved to Seattle .. so I was happily able to back up my thanks with a subscription. Liberal or not .. brave is brave.

Speaking of brave - Ms. Hirsi Ali ought to be awarded the Peace Prize. And, jay .. so right .. aren't dissidents by definition self-styled?

I am convinced she is able to speak out now because the shift in attitude of the Dutch let's her know that not only will they provide bodyguards .. but, more importantly ... they now understand and appreciate what's she's saying. She is, after all, laying her life on the line.

The Dutch are on their way to restoring true tolerance; not settling for a pseudo version based in cowardice.

Posted by: Daisytoo at February 9, 2006 6:01 PM

Just a comment as I pass by....

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is clever, courageous and beautiful. Sometimes, it is just a balm on the heart to see that some human beings are really, really worth all the fights.

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 6:01 PM

I'll trade our entire Senate for Ayaan Hirsi Ali. OK, I'll throw in 200 congressmen.

Posted by: Beagle at February 9, 2006 6:21 PM

A beautiful, intelligent, brave and clear-thinking woman. Bravo! Is she our Churchill of this century?

Posted by: bj at February 9, 2006 6:32 PM

unfortunately , Kofi Anaan disgrees

http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-02-09T165931Z_01_N09220676_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-RELIGION-CARTOONS-ANNAN-COL.XML

"UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan scolded the media on Thursday for continuing to publish cartoons lampooning the Prophet Mohammad and defended an attempt by Islamic nations to have a new U.N. human-rights council address religious defamation."

thank god Dubya put his rottweiller John Bolton in there.

Honestly, at the time , I thought putting Bolton was a bit unwise. I remember thinking - "shit, this guy is so undiplomatic, he'll get bugger all done in there."

How wrong I was.

He's the right guy , in the right place , at the right time.

Go get them Bolton!

Posted by: archduke at February 9, 2006 6:46 PM

jay said:
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Notice the weasel words "self-styled" in the beginnig of the Reuters story. "Anyone who has received credible Musilim death threats is NOT just a "self-styled Muslim dissident".
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and she's got the 24x7 bodyguards to prove it. in fact in ANY interview she does, the bodyguards are there. always there. they dont even leave the room where the interview is taking place.

Why al-Reuters put in that horrible phrase is beyond me.

Posted by: archduke at February 9, 2006 6:49 PM

Is she married? She could doubly piss off the Muslims by marrying a Pagan like me...

Muslims the Mormons of the Middle-East. If a bunch of Christians (such as Pat Robertson and his 700 Club) went around behaving like these Muslims, the liberal establishment would be calling for a ban of Christianity in America (not that I dislike the idea of banning Christianity)...

Posted by: vikingskald at February 9, 2006 6:51 PM

"I'll trade our entire Senate for Ayaan Hirsi Ali. OK, I'll throw in 200 congressmen."

i'll trade in the entire EU Commission. the whole lot - and their civil servants.

Posted by: archduke at February 9, 2006 6:52 PM

She is a brave, courageous woman. But the EU foreign policy leadership is already talking of a sell out. They're going to give up freedom of press, of speech, etc.

Now, the Arab press has been vilifying Jews with cartoons and with words for many, many years. But the EU is not interested in demanding a quid pro quo or reciprocity from the Arabs/Muslims. We Jews have little influence nowardays. So the EU doesn't care about how we [and the USA, and even the Europeans] are being vilified and slandered by Arabs/Muslims [consider Ahmadeviljad and Mahathir Muhammad.

Europeans ought to feel a chill over the political plans of the EU leadership.

Posted by: Eliyahu at February 9, 2006 6:56 PM

"Is she married? She could doubly piss off the Muslims by marrying a Pagan like me..."

shes not - she ended up in Holland because she ran away from a forced Muslim marriage that her father had arranged.

she still cannot talk to her family - they have cut her off.

it is truely a heart breaking story.

but it IS a wake up call for people who just bang the anti-immigration drum mindlessly. If Holland had closed borders , we wouldnt have a Hirsi Ali. She'd be in a forced marriage, wasteing away , in a Burka , in some god forsaken Islamic country.

If she is that intelligent and articulate - one can only wonder at the untaped potential of hundreds of millions of muslim women worldwide, but who are never allowed to speak out.

The potential is staggering when you think about it. All that art, literature, progress from a big segment of humanity - just utterly suppressed.

Posted by: archduke at February 9, 2006 6:57 PM

If Robertson and the 700 club were behaving like the muslims, ordinary Christians would be hunting them down and getting rid of them, one way or another.

Christianity may have some kooks, but I think we do a good job of marginalizing them; systematic and regular violence on their part would be swiftly dealt with.

Posted by: Dead Infidel Walking at February 9, 2006 7:02 PM

damn fine post here

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/02/consigned-to-margins.html

talks about how blogs , email and sms are fast usurping the MSM - trouble is , the islamists are also using the technology.

it makes for sobering reading.

but the article really hits the nail on the head. essential reading.

Posted by: archduke at February 9, 2006 7:31 PM

Translation from Paris: the ISLAMISATION OF FRANCE

Trappes, 35 km of Paris: an islamist city

Seen on television last month:
http://www.dailymotion.com/search/islam/video/34176
I decided to give you the link to this impressive video about Trappes, a little town not far from Paris. I hope those of you who understand French will watch it. For the others, I decided to translate the main moments of the video as it really shows how a country gets islamised. A lot of French people have seen it.

First, the journalist tries to film a Muslim prayer in Trappes. People warn him: “if you stay here you will have big problems”. He cannot attend the end of the prayer and he has to leave. Later, a guy in the street threatens him: “What, you want to film what, you want to film the Brothers ? Go away ” etc.

A guy explains to the journalist: “In 20 years, everything has changed here. One cannot buy alcohol anymore. One cannot buy pork. Almost all the whites have left. Amost all the women are veiled. It is a pity because diversity has disappeared”.

The journalist goes to a Muslim book shop... the book seller is a Catholic convert, a radical Muslim (wearing a beard etc.). He only sells religious books about Islam, and he also sells veils for the women. He does not answer when he is asked about lapidation. He says: “it is a complex issue and one would need more time to discuss it”.

Another guy explains he is a theater professor. He tries to give theater lessons to the youth of Trappes. He says: “There are less and less girls attending my improvisation and theater courses... sometimes I meet a girl I know in the street, who used to attend my theater courses, I can hardly recognise her: she wears a veil, she acts strangely and does not talk to me. I can’t believe how they changed, it makes me feel uncomfortable”.

A veiled girl says, very moved: “When I pray, I feel like I am soaring... I am facing God. It is as if I was under drugs, I cannot explain it”.

Then the journalist meets a group of Rap, one of the only ones which is male and female, and some singers are non Muslim. He asks the youth what they think about the veil, but the girls, even the non Muslim, are embarrassed and don’t seem to want to answer. Only the guys talk. But then the journalist asks the girls what they think about it. A non Muslim girl says “I am against the veil, but I don’t want to talk about it”. Another girl says: “I don’t wear a skirt here in Trappes, because in the street the guys would call me a whore. But outside Trappes, I like wearing a skirt”.

The journalist finally finds a laic place, it is a high school. There the girls are free to talk: “20 years ago, women were respected here. Now, there is no respect towards women, they are called WHORES by the men in the street”. Another girl: “the French State must do something... they know it happens, it is visible enough no ? “ Another girl: “When the girls wear trousers, they are more respected than if they wear skirts, but they are still inferior to the men”. “Men think we are sexual objects, and cooks”. A blond girl makes fun of the men saying “all they want is a hole” and all the girls laugh.

Then the journalist films the preparation for the big demonstration against the Law against the veil (it had been a big controversy in France). The guys organise everything and tell the women what they must do. There are two buses to go to Paris (for the demonstration), one for men, one for women. A man climbs into the women’s bus and says to them: “do not talk to any journalist during the demonstration”.

But during the demonstration (in Paris), a veiled woman tells the journalist: “wearing a veil is not always easy, because when you have the veil, you cannot go out on evening anymore”.

Back to the high school. A philosophy teacher (white, non Muslim woman) says: “I had never had problems before but now, some pupils question my teachings in the name of Islam. Islam is superior to everything, it has the answer for everything. It is superior to Science. They say the Big Bang is explained in the Coran. I had some parents coming to the school to contest my teaching in the name of Islam. I was sued by the Muslim association of Trappes for “racial hatred” (NB: the journalist does not say who won).

The journalist films an anti Israel demonstration in Trappes.

The journalist then visits some mothers, first generation of immigrants, who cannot speak French (they speak Arabic). They explain that they are against the veil “because we want our daughters to find a job and with the veil it is not easy”. A white woman says “it is the fault of the successive French goverments because they have put all the Muslims together and hence they speak Arabic between them and have no chance to integrate, and now the radicals are here. It is ridiculous, some women are not even veiled in their coutnry and when they arrive here, after a few months they wear a veil”.

The daughters explain (in French): “We are more educated than our mothers, hence we are more religious because we understand Islam better”. One of them says: “They keep asking us to “integrate”... but they must stop now, they must understand that a Frenchwoman does not necessarily drink beer or eat pork... WE DO NOT WANT TO INTEGRATE. France is also Islamic”.

Some Muslims, in Trappes, disagree, it is the black community (from West Africa). A black guy explains: “We have been rejected by the Arab Muslim community. The Arab Muslims have become too political. We do not want that. We are for a tolerant Islam. We respect the laws of France. We African Blacks are not Arab, and we will never be Arab”. And also: “Now I hear some kids saying that Coca Cola is the drink of Satan...”

Back to the Catholic convert (the book seller): “Islam is for everybody... we just have to wait. Islam is a giant which will conquer everything. Everybody will be touched, the Europeans, the Americans, men and women, the lawyers and the workers, everybody”.

Dhimmi part: about the mayor of Trappes, a socialist. A guy explains that “the mayor of Trappes has given his soul for a mosquee”. He explains that the mayor promised the radicals to give them money for a mosquee and for a religious (coranic) school if they voted for him, which they did. The journalist visits the mayor of Trappes who says he will not comment about that.

Laic resistance in Trappes: some teachers have organised a conference about “women and laicity”. The radical Muslims are attending but they do not speak. A woman says “Islam has to renounce some of its principles to be integrated in Europe”. A veiled girl takes the micro: “Who are you to tell us what we must do, you so called laic people...” etc.

That’s all ! Sorry for my imperfect English... I felt I had to translate this video because it might be our future... I will post in on several threads.... (maybe Mr Spencer will argue with me but I take the risk, as long as he does not lapidate me, but I don’t think lapidation is part of his traditions).

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 7:38 PM

I love this woman!

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at February 9, 2006 7:44 PM

Any of you DW's that are having trouble convincing your male (and some female) friends about the threat of Islam to our way of life have a new arrow in the quiver. Muslims in the Indonesia parliament are debating a law that would outlaw Playboy! Note how the author refers to Playboy as raunchy. Personally, I do not know why men pay so much for Playboy, it must be for the articles, because they can see the same thing in a Victoria Secrets catalog for free.

Playboy sparks Indonesia porn row

Indonesia, home to the world's largest Muslim population, is caught up in a growing debate about pornography.

News that the raunchy Playboy magazine has signed a deal to produce a local edition has fuelled the controversy.

Parliament is expected to pass a new anti-pornography bill by the middle of this year but the draft legislation is proving divisive.

A series of demonstrations has taken place in the capital, Jakarta, in support of the tightening of the laws.

The head of the parliamentary committee which drafted the new legislation, Balkan Kaplale, said Indonesia was in a state of moral decline. "These are Indonesian magazines," Mr Kaplale said, spreading a selection of pornographic tabloids across the table.

"It is terrible, our poor country. We are a religious people but now Indonesia is third worst in the world for porn after Scandinavia and Russia.

"It is so easily available and it is going unchecked. That is why we need this law," he said.

Posted by: Lisa at February 9, 2006 7:54 PM

Miss Joiesauvage,

Your English is fine, little girlfriend. Don't think twice about it.

Your post is as chilling as it is sobering. Thanks for educating us.

But what is laicity and lapidation? I'm stumped.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 9, 2006 8:11 PM

joiesauvage,

Thank you for doing all that work. It's depressing, but everyone who thinks this problem will go away should listen.

Posted by: Beagle at February 9, 2006 8:12 PM

Hello beautiful Isabella,

"what is laicity and lapidation? I'm stumped".

Lapidation = stoning

Laicity = I don't know the anglo-saxon word for it, and I don't think there is one. It means the fact that the State and Religion are separated: people have the right to embrace any religion they want, but within the limits of the laws of the country they live in. Islam is not laic, in that it says that the State must follow the laws of Islam and not some secular laws.

(by the way: long live the Latin roots of the English language !)

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 8:26 PM

Aayan Hirsi Ali: Now I believe in cloning

By the way, if anyone has Kofi address, could you please pass this on?

Arab paper published cartoons 4 months ago
No outrage when Egyptian publication headlined drawings on Ramadan cover
________________________________________
Posted: February 9, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Muhammad cartoon on Egypt's al-Fagr newspaper cover in October 2005 (courtesy: Freedom for Egyptians)
While Muslims across the world have rioted in the past week against countries whose newspapers have published cartoons of the prophet Muhammad, there was no uproar when the same caricatures were prominently displayed in an Arab newspaper four months ago.
The images originating in Denmark's Jyllands-Posten in September were reportedly featured on the cover and inside pages of Egypt's al-Fagr (the Dawn) in October, during the holy month of Ramadan.
According to the Freedom for Egyptians blog, al-Fagr included the cartoons on the front cover and page 17 of its edition dated Oct. 17. The headline, when translated, is said to read: "Continued Boldness. Mocking the Prophet and his wife by Caricature."

Muhammad cartoons on page 17 of Egypt's al-Fagr newspaper in October 2005 (courtesy: Egyptian Sandmonkey blog)
"The Egyptian paper criticized the bad taste of the cartoons but it did not incite hatred protests," notes the blog. "It would have been better that this [current] holy war against Denmark be launched during the holy month of Ramadan as many Muslims believe that Jihad during Ramadan would have been more worthy. This irrelevant outrage timing is but a sign that this violent response to the cartoons is politically motivated by Muslim extremists in Europe and the so-called secular governments of the Middle East. I want also to mention that despite the fact that all editors who tried to reprint the cartoons in the Middle East nowadays were arrested, the Egyptian editors went unharmed."
To date, at least 10 people have been killed in Afghanistan alone from Muslim riots in connection with the cartoons, though protests have been taking place in many countries throughout Europe and the Mideast. Some 4,000 angry Muslims took to the streets of the Egyptian capital of Cairo this week, though there were no protests when al-Fagr published the images during Ramadan in October.
Interestingly, an Associated Press story in the Khaleej Times of the United Arab Emirates reports al-Fagr reprinted copies of the cartoons this week, but published only "the upper half of some of the controversial cartoons, omitting any facial representations. Adel Hamoudah, editor of al-Fagr, said he took copies of the cartoons from the Internet for the Tuesday edition and published them as a means of emphasizing their 'impudence.' He did not explain, however, why he chose only to print the upper half of the caricatures."
It's not clear if the paper even mentioned it previously published the entire images on its cover and interior in October.
"This tells me one thing, at least, and that is the Egyptians who get this newspaper and who took to the streets are either incredibly stupid, hypocritical, or both," said an anonymous poster on FFE's blog. "They are stupid because they believe what they're told by the Arab press in the previous week without checking for the facts. They are hypocritical if they protested the second time they saw the cartoons and not protested when it was first printed. Here, I'm going to go out on a limb and say 'both.'"
Meanwhile in the U.S., the AP, the largest news-gathering organization in the world, is being attacked by a California newspaper editor over the wire service's refusal to distribute the cartoons of Muhammad.
"But what is incredible is that the Associated Press, which distributes news stories and photos from across the globe, has decided that you shouldn't see it," writes editor Don Holland of the Daily Press in Victorville, Calif. "What is offensive is that AP fancies itself to be the guardian of good taste for thousands of American newspapers rather than letting individual newspapers make that decision.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48746

Posted by: SandiM at February 9, 2006 8:46 PM

can i suggest a google bomb campaing , for our woeful limp-wristed dhimmi Foreign Secretary , Jack Straw..

spineless shit

if you wouldnt mind fellow jwatchers, could you kindly spread this meme far and wide.

thanks.

why?

get a load of this

indeed. spineless.

Posted by: archduke at February 9, 2006 8:59 PM

joiesauvage - i just want to say thanks for doing such a great job and taking the time to transcribe the video you watched.

VERY much appreciated. i'll probably cut and paste it tommorow and blog it. i trust that many more will do the same.

again - thanks.

Posted by: archduke at February 9, 2006 9:04 PM

"Laicity = I don't know the anglo-saxon word for it, and I don't think there is one. It means the fact that the State and Religion are separated: people have the right to embrace any religion"

there is a word. but rarely used and its one of the biggest words in english

disestablishmentarianism

"disestablish" : refers to the separatation of the church of england from the the house of commons. happened around the time of Oliver Cromwell.

but in everyday english, there is no equivalent short word fo "laicity". we just say "separaton of church and state".

the term "secularism" doesnt really describe the idea fully.

Posted by: archduke at February 9, 2006 9:11 PM

Archduke

please blog it ! thank you so much.

It is exactly my aim here: the Americans must understand what awaits them if they don't do something about it... and what is more convincing than the concrete example of a country, France, which is letting itself islamised ? Not my fault though, for when the thing started, I was not even born. For the moment the only thing I can do is to pass links to some friends around me but I must say not many of them pay attention. Until they day they wake up... in that respect, we must thank those hysterical mobs because in France, the cartoons rage has opened the eyes of many people. Opinions are changing, it is incredible ! Last poll today: "78 % of the French are scared of the development of Islam" !!! The journalists were embarrassed when they said it lol... because the big argument here is to accuse people of "islamophobia" when they dare question Islam. So now, 78 % of the French are guilty of "Islamophobia" !

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 9:13 PM

Dear JoieSauvage: Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!

I was thinking: what we should have is a form of Euro-Islamic tourism, so that people from other countries can see what is going on in France, Malmo Sweden, and elsewhere in Europe before it is too late.

I would like a group of Australians including politicians going to those places and seeing for themselves exactly what is going on.

Posted by: Voltaire at February 9, 2006 9:32 PM

"I would like a group of Australians including politicians going to those places and seeing for themselves exactly what is going on".

They could not ! Nobody can, not even the police...

It is the problem: those people who claim that "islamisation of the West is a fantasy" (one hears it a lot in France) or "you are paranoid, you are racist"... those people have never seen the problem as they live in beautiful areas of Paris, amongst the American tourists, the smart restaurants and fine monuments... All they know is "luxe, calme et volupté"... and a bit of cocain.

They have never been gang raped or set to fire by a group of youth between 3 dirty towers. Maybe it could help ?

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 9:39 PM

For Joiesauvage - In case you were wondering, the rough French translation for "Jack Straw" would be "diaper-wearing nancy boy."

Posted by: Lepanto at February 9, 2006 9:48 PM

Lepanto sorry i did not understand your comment, could you explain ?

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 10:03 PM

Hirsi Ali is not a "self -styled Muslim dissident", she is a beautifully self-liberated woman.

(If they wanted to be dhimmi accurate, she is "an apostate of Islam".)

joiesauvage-

Fine work with the translation, wild joy!

Beaucoup des mercis et moi esperons que vous faites plus de lui!

(Excuse my rusty high school French!)

Vive la France!

(And may it revive to the strength of Voltaire's "Mohammed- or Fanaticism".)

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 9, 2006 10:07 PM

Hirsi Ali is absolutely right.

And any thoughtful law student will tell you: the sole reason we have constitutionally guaranteed rights to Free Speech and a Free Press is PRECISELY so that we can insult, negate, blaspheme, denigrate, ridicule, oppose, criticize, satirize, humiliate, subvert, incite, and dishonor.

But if in doing so we tell a lie, and someone is harmed by the publication of the lie, it is legally known as slander (oral) or libel (written), and the person harmed may sue for damages.

That is the balance that we have struck in the USA. Say whatever the hell you want, but be responsible for whatever you say.

Islam is about a thousand years away from ever grasping this principle. In the meantime, Hirsi Ali has the right idea. We have an OBLIGATION to speak up and show the world what a stupid, idiotic, cesspool islam really is.

Posted by: texan at February 9, 2006 10:17 PM

Voltaire:
I tried your email link several times, but could not get through. Was it published correctly?

Posted by: texan at February 9, 2006 10:19 PM

BOWS to Profitsbeard...

Vive la France ! But I must stop, or I will drop a tear... I am becoming sensitive those days.

You know what the Left has done to France ?

1) they killed Christianism. They claimed that there is no good, no evil. They laughed at the priests, at the Pope. They ridiculised patriotism.

2) And now, they are installing Islam in the big vacuum they left.

Of course, they dont seem to notice the contradiction: they were the champions of secularism, and now, they defend dogmatism.

Soon they will convert to Islam and they will behead us in the name of God.

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 10:21 PM

joiesauvage,
I surely understand what you (French, not you
personally!) have got yourselves into, and I'll
do whatever I can to make sure it doesn't happen
here. Thanks for your words.

However, you (French, including you) now need
to consider what to do to save your nation and
culture. Think outside of the box. Don't use
words like "unthinkable", or "can't".

Posted by: American at February 9, 2006 10:22 PM

BTW, pardon my political incorrectness and shallowness, but Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a babe.

What a crying shame it is when women have to get
all covered up.

Posted by: American at February 9, 2006 10:25 PM

joiesauvage: I enjoy reading your posts. You are very close to earning the title: Honorary Texan.

Texican, Caroline, should we vote him in?

Posted by: texan at February 9, 2006 10:25 PM

She is beautiful.

Posted by: butterfly at February 9, 2006 10:27 PM

American,

I became aware of what is going on just recently. I am still at a stage where all I am doing is read and find information.
First, I can vote. And understanding what is going on will make me vote cleverly.
Then, maybe, I will do more. But at the moment I am busy studying and a country cannot survive without researchers, laywers, doctors, professors, clever CEOs and good mothers... can it ?

Informing people is the most important thing, because then ideas are developping and people elect guys who do what the country needs.

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 10:28 PM

Texan I am more than flattered although I do not have the chance to know Texas, but surely one day, I will visit. Cheers XXX.

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 10:30 PM

And errr Texan, I am a GAAALLLLLLLL ! lol... and a "babe" too !

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 10:33 PM

He's the right guy , in the right place , at the right time.

Go get them Bolton!

One of the reasons the Dems and weasel Repub. did not want him is that he actually will stand up for what is right for the US and the rest of the free world! he does not mince words, and has clarity!
he actually can be critical of the UN !!!\And hats off to " Ayaan Hirsi Ali!". You know there will be some people even Muslims who will appreciate the freedoms that the West can produce for her people!
Yes she is worth a whole Senate, House of Commons! vote her in for PM, Pres. , UN, move over idoit Annan!!

Posted by: Lulu at February 9, 2006 10:39 PM

Just a little thought: only sex and humour will save the world... which proves that an islamic world CANNOT work.

It makes me think: during the riots in Paris, some stupid journalists (including on CNN) compared the events to the 1968 revolt....

As Phlippe Val, the editor of "Charlie Hebdo" (= the French mag which published the caricatures this week) had then written:

"in 1968 the guys rioted because they wanted to enter the bedrooms of the girls.... today the guys are rioting because they don't want to hear about the girls".

Indeed, during the riots I don't think any French journalist has pointed out that THERE WERE NO GIRLS RIOTING.... (of course, since the Muslims do not allow their girls to go out on evening).

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 10:48 PM

joiesauvage:

That's OK. We have babes in Texas, too!! You can buy a hat and some boots, and you will be right at home. LOL.

My wife and I made friends with two Air France flight attendants several years ago. They wanted to go to a "Country and Western" Bar. We took them to a very popular dance place. I bought them a couple of Lone Star Beers (a local beer), and I think they had a very good time. But every man in the place stared at me the whole night. I could see that they wanted to know what was so special about me that I had THREE beautiful Blondes.

A Texas harem, but only for a few hours.

Posted by: texan at February 9, 2006 10:55 PM

Texan ok, when I visit Texas I'll contact you ! I am not blond though, but I am cute and French looking !
The only cow boy place I visited was Colorado, a few years ago... I was impressed because the men were wearing cow boy hats and boots... I even went to a rodeo lol.
Islamised Colorado ? Mmmmmm.... a bit difficult to imagine isnt'it.

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 9, 2006 11:00 PM

joiesauvage:
Many thanks for your fine comments from another Texan. I think you would like it here, too. Colorado is nice (my son goes to college there) but, there are quite a few muslims around the college towns. You can even see abayas on the street. His neighbors are Saudi, the man is unfriendly and the wife even more so. She has yet to say a word. If she sees a male come in to the courtyard area she takes off with all the kids in tow. One of the better things about where I live (semi rural Texas) is that there are no mosques here, yet. They are in the large cities but they haven't expanded out to the rural areas. Anyway, you are welcome here anytime. Thanks again for explaining laicity.

Posted by: Caratacus at February 9, 2006 11:21 PM

joiesauvage

You suggested linking your translation, so I did at my blog.

Texas and Florida have no state income tax and long coastlines. Florida has the rocket launches at KSC in Cape Canaveral.

California is nice, but the water is pretty cold. Lots of taxes, high cost of living.

Posted by: Beagle at February 9, 2006 11:23 PM

Yes, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is beautiful! but what is more: she is articulate, courageous and _right_! She seems to be the only Man in European politics -- but she is not given the hearing her message needs, so let's help her spread the message:

Here are some more info and links to interviews with Ayaan Hirsi Ali (please pass them on)

There is a blog about her:

http://ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/categorie/46044/

Here is a recent interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali done on Danish TV:

http://www.dr.dk/DR1/Profilen/Udsendelser/2005/20060119110447.htm

click the "se udsendelsen" (Danish for "view the broadcast")link in red letters in order to see the interview. The interview is just great! Somebody ought to show it in the White House so that they can learn how to fight the ideological enemy of political Islam, and not just leave that battle to lonely immigrant woman...

On the 16th of December in London she did this radio interview:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/ram/2005_50_fri_02.ram

Enjoy! and pass on!

Posted by: HaraldW at February 9, 2006 11:25 PM

joiesauvage

link

Posted by: Beagle at February 9, 2006 11:27 PM

joiesauvage writes:
"I became aware of what is going on just recently. I am still at a stage where all I am doing is read and find information.
First, I can vote. And understanding what is going on will make me vote cleverly.
Then, maybe, I will do more. But at the moment I am busy studying and a country cannot survive without researchers, laywers, doctors, professors, clever CEOs and good mothers... can it ? "

You're right, Woman Of The West!

I think the important thing to do now is to
convince like minded people, as many as possible,
about the problem. It seems French people are waking up quickly. If they do, they will be more
ruthless than Americans in fixing things.
Friends, family, coworkers. Now is the time to
strike, since the mohammadans overplayed their
hand by quite a bit with this cartoon thing.

Good luck!

Posted by: American at February 10, 2006 12:02 AM

Despite the routine Muslimania .. each of our posts have a positively hopeful ring ... Thank you again, Hirsi Ali (and to joiesauvage)

Maybe part of my optimism has been buoyed by the gracious e-mail I received from the Seattle Stranger (see 2nd post by hammerhead) .. I'd congratulated them for bravery and a great article by Bruce Bower and said I'd like to buy a subscription to the paper for my son and his wife who just this week have moved to Seattle. The Copy Chief thanked me for my supportive e-mail and welcomed my son and his wife to Seattle ... and informed me their paper is a freebie!

First thing tomorrow, I'll be sending the money I saved to Jihad Watch. Serendipity. (How will I estimate the cost of a free subscription? Trust me, I'll know how! )

Posted by: Daisytoo at February 10, 2006 12:43 AM

If your running away from Islam why bring it with you?
A fresh start is needed, swear and wear only one allegiance, and mean it,
to one's new country and traditions,
language, and become its freedom, its ideas and ideals.

Posted by: SirSeth at February 10, 2006 1:22 AM

Hirsi Ali wholly deserves the European Parliament's annual Sakharov Prize for human rights.

Posted by: highbg at February 10, 2006 1:38 AM

Texan, I'll give it again.

Maybe I didn't give it correctly the first time. It's Elvendell@bigpond.com.au

If you continue to have problems, please let me know. I'll go to my ISP and find out what's the problem.

Posted by: Voltaire at February 10, 2006 1:58 AM

Just so you know, Hirsi Ali is not entirely alone with her views. Here in Denmark we have Nasser Khader, who is also well known for his fight against the oppressive sides of Islam. For the last 3 years he has also had bodyguards on 24/7 duty for the same reasons. He is a member of the danish parliament and recently founded a group called "Moderate Muslims" which has the goal of letting people like himself get their opinions heard, and refuse to let the imams speak for them. And offcourse he is also 100% behind the right to publish those drawings, even though he still considers himself a muslim.

He is propably not quite as aggresive about this as Hirsi Ali, but he is very active.

I'm sure there are other examples out there, though not as common as we could wish for.

Posted by: ExpatriateDK at February 10, 2006 3:06 AM

ExpatriateDK - There is major difference between Ms. Hirsi Ali & Mr. Nasssar Khader. Ms Ali is no longer a Muslim, she sees Islam for what it is, an evil mind controlling cult fit for Morons. Where as, Mr. Khader is still a so called moderate Muslim. The difference is like Day & Night

Posted by: faqi at February 10, 2006 4:18 AM

"The journalists were embarrassed when they said it lol... because the big argument here is to accuse people of "islamophobia" when they dare question Islam. So now, 78 % of the French are guilty of "Islamophobia" ! "

that is a staggering percentage. no doubt, the BBC will twist it to show that most french people are "racist".

Posted by: archduke at February 10, 2006 5:19 AM

"The journalists were embarrassed when they said it lol... because the big argument here is to accuse people of "islamophobia" when they dare question Islam. So now, 78 % of the French are guilty of "Islamophobia" ! "

I think that "islamophobia" is the wrong word. It implease fear. The rele feeling is disgust. Perhaps we should call it islamonausea.

Posted by: restitutor orbis at February 10, 2006 5:32 AM

WHY WOULD MUSLIMS SAY THAT THIS APPLIES TO THEM?
THESE QUESTIONS ARE EXTREMELY APPROPRIATE. IS IT BECAUSE MOST TERRORISM IN THE WORLD IS RELATED TO ISLAM?

German 'Muslim test' stirs anger

Some say the test puts them under suspicion of terrorism
The cafe Fleck und Speck is as cosmopolitan as Stuttgart gets.

During an evening there, I meet a Kurd, a Serbian Jew, and a German whose curly black hair betrays his Mexican heritage.

This is the multicultural dream that Germany's Left has promoted for decades - but which not everyone shares.

The Christian Democrat-led government of Baden-Wuerttemberg, of which Stuttgart is the capital, has just introduced new "discussion guidelines" which have sparked national controversy.

They consist of 30 questions which can be put to applicants for German citizenship to see if they share democratic values. But they have been strongly attacked as aimed against the state's large Turkish community - and dubbed "the Muslim test".

"This measure - the so-called discussion guidelines - means that I cannot imagine applying for German citizenship in the near future," says Sueheyla Ince, a local lawyer who was born in Germany but holds a Turkish passport.

"I have to prove, by answering these questions, that I'm a 'good' Muslim," she says, "because it puts all Muslims under a general suspicion of terrorism and insinuates that they're not interested in the values of the German constitution."

The questions, which have been leaked to the German media, cover a range of subjects. A few examples:

How do you view the statement that a woman should obey her husband, and that he can beat her if she doesn't?

You learn that people from your neighbourhood or from among friends or acquaintances have carried out or are planning a terrorist attack - what do you do?

Some people hold the Jews responsible for all the evil in the world, and even claim they were behind the attacks of 11 September 2001 in New York. What is your view of this claim?

Imagine that your son comes to you and declares that he's a homosexual and would like to live with another man. How do you react?

The new measure is the brainchild of the Baden-Wuerttemberg Interior Minister, Heribert Rech.

"When there are doubts about an applicant's values, the easiest thing is for an official to have a talk with him - but not a talk about the weather or about football," he says.

"It needs to be about his view of our constitution, of tolerance, of sexual equality, or of the state's monopoly on the use of violence. Only with these questions can we come close to finding the answers we need."

Languages

An opinion poll found 76% of Germans agree. This country has around three million Muslim inhabitants - mostly Turkish, with Bosnians making up the next largest group, followed by people of Arab origin.

Since 11 September 2001, which was partly planned and carried out by Muslim students based in Hamburg, these communities have been viewed with suspicion.

It's not only a problem of migrants from Muslim countries. It's a problem of Christians and people who are already citizens of Germany

Cem Ozdemir
Green Party MEP

There have been controversies over headscarf bans (also first introduced in Baden-Wuerttemberg) and over so-called "honour killings" of Muslim women by family members.

There is also currently a row over a Berlin school that has banned the use of languages other than German in the playground.

But many politicians have said the "discussion guidelines" merely pander to popular stereotypes of Muslims.

"Mr Rech is creating a problem which does not exist," says Cem Ozdemir, a Green Party MEP from Baden-Wuerttemberg.

"I would wish that we live in a world where everybody is accepting equal rights for gays and lesbians, where everybody fully understands the need for equal rights for men and women and so on.

"But unfortunately that is not the case - and it's not only a problem of migrants from Muslim countries. It's a problem of Christians and people who are already citizens of Germany."

Stuttgart's Turkish community is organising a petition drive and demonstrations. But it is going to be an uphill battle.

A motion condemning the new measure, tabled by the Greens in the Bundestag, was defeated. Many politicians have voiced support for the guidelines, and the neighbouring state of Hessen is now considering following Baden-Wuerttemberg's lead.

Posted by: Truth4u at February 10, 2006 5:48 AM

"Hirsi Ali wholly deserves the European Parliament's annual Sakharov Prize for human rights."

Tehy'll probably give it instead to some member of Hamas who preaches "resistance to occupation". This has much greater value for europe's commercial ties to the middle east.

Posted by: restitutor orbis at February 10, 2006 5:55 AM

Miss Joiesauvage,

Thank you for filling in my missing knowledge on those two words. (I can't believe I didn't know that. Yikes!)

Texan was making me nervous when I was reading the thread just now. I was horrified that I had referred to you as a girl if you were actually a guy. But then I guess it takes one to know one and you seem like a girly girl to me. Actually, a GGWG...girly girl with guts.

I am in solidarity with you in more ways than one. I am also Catholic with a healthy serving of French ancestry. I can't believe that the country of King St. Louis IX will be lost to the Mohammadans. There is too much courage and a bit of the scalawag in French blood for your countrymen not to figure this out and rise again. I pray for your protection and success in overthrowing this monstrosity. But then France was there before with the revolution, and Napoleon and WW's I & II. And let's not forget the resistance. I have so much respect for those guys and gals. I will not count you down and out.

The other thing is that people are listening because the Muslims themselves give us ample evidence that what we say is true. And while it may be hard for us to put two and two together, at first, because we are told by our beloved news media that up is down and black is white, my friends and family are starting to listen and are bringing articles and evidence to my attention. Six months ago they were slightly bewildered when I would talk of the Muslim habit of killing people to get what they wanted. I have one niece who gave me the standard party line about what we've done to them, (Oh, please spare me!) but then I have another niece who is on full board now from the conversations that we've had.It might take some time but stones have been known to be hollowed out with many drops of water. I believe in you.

'Gotta go! Have a great day. :)

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at February 10, 2006 6:43 AM

Power to the Germans!

2 thumbs down for Cem Oezdemir, the Turkish 5th columnist, agit-prop and Islam apologist.

I've seen this slimy swine on TV and I see through his agenda:
Making Europe Islamic, Sharia uber alles!

If the Danes don't do it, the Germans will: Strip them of citizenship and deport the bastards, no other way...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at February 10, 2006 8:17 AM

Hirsi Ali wholly deserves the European Parliament's annual Sakharov Prize for human rights.

Posted by: highbg at February 10, 2006 01:38 AM

Hirsi Ali deserves global recognition for her brave and heretofore fairly lonely fight against Islamic repressiveness, The question is whether she will get it. Instead of honouring someone who lives and breathes the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, we see Time magazine, the Nobel committee and others falling all over themselves to honour the likes of Tariq Ramadan and Harold Pinter!

Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 10, 2006 8:47 AM

Bella Isabella,

"I have one niece who gave me the standard party line about what we've done to them, (Oh, please spare me!) but then I have another niece who is on full board now from the conversations that we've had"

Isabella, stop complaining and think about people who only have ONE niece lol !

Thank you for your kind words.

France is a great, brilliant nation full of genius and fine libertines and cuisine and writers and poets and dynamic entrepreneurs and bright scientists and France is a cute, adorable country with beaufiul landscapes and villages...

France is great but it was invaded by communists after WW2 and it still cannot get out of their low mentalities and lies.

France and the US = same fight. You and we have the positive, dynamic people, and on the other side we have some people who are trying to put the economy down and who are the champions of self resentment.

Self resentment for what ? Shall I apologise because my country produced such genius as Hugo and invented the human rights and shall I apologise for a rich economy and shall I apologise for the roads and hospitals the French built in their colonies ? Shall I apologise for the Island of Martinique, where the whites developped agriculture and which looks like France now whereas the island next door (ex British colony) is sinking into misery ?

The Left tried to detroy France, they have been working hard on it for 40 years and the worst thing they did is that they destroyed our schools and universities so that the now dumb and ignorant pupils can believe all the lies they tell.

And now the Left is explaining to us that we must not "insult the Prophet " (which Prophet ? Do we have a Prophet ? it's a scoop )and that France is multicultural (translation: we want the power so France will be Arab because the Arabs vote for us, and we hate you Christian white people who are clever enough not to believe our bullshit).

"If they do, the French will be more
ruthless than Americans in fixing things".
American where does this strange thought come from, that the French are "ruthless" ?

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 10, 2006 11:37 AM

Beagle thank you so much... actually I watched the video again yesterday night and I found other interesting things...

The most important thing I forgot to translate yesterday is the following. A guy made a very important point, which explains EVERYTHING about the islamisation of France:

"The first generation of Muslim immigrants wanted a mosquee. The successive mayors promised they would build a mosquee, for years they promised, but nobody did it, because THE MUSLIMS COULD NOT VOTE HENCE THE POLITICIANS DID NOT CARE ABOUT THEIR NEEDS. So the Muslims had to organise their prayers in their own basements... Those people were NOT radicals, they were OK Muslims, but they were all put together and hence they did not learn French but spoke Arabic between them as they were living bewteen them.
So no effort was made to integrate those people and they could not even pray decently.

Hence they became radicals because some radical Muslims came to them and said: what did you do for us the Muslim community ? Nothing, we dont even have a mosquee. We are humiliated. You did nothing, but now, WE, the REAL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, we will do something about it !

It was the second generation of Muslims, the sons and daughters. They went to French school and learnt French, and they HAD THE RIGHT TO VOTE. So they had political power: so they obtained the building of Mosquees in many cities in France.

Thanks to the radicals, mosquees were built, because they were dynamic and managed to obtain what the previous ones has not obtained = the right to have mosquees and Islam schools. A little bit of attention from their mayors.

Now the radicals are gaining more and more power and respect from the Muslim communities".

That is how the radicals won in the French cities. Simple but terrible.

In another part of a video a guy explains: "when I was young we did not speak about religion at all, with my mates. We were kids, we spoke about football, things like that... But now the kids speak about religion".

Well done, French politicians ! Thank you for having humiliated those OK people and for having thrown them into the arms of the fanatics.

And now our communist and socialist mayors do everything to seduce their Muslim voters. It has to be noted that ALL the Muslim suburbs have socialist or communist mayors !

This whole story is a total waste. In France you find many Muslims who are totally OK and care as much about Islam as I care about the Pope (that is: not much!). But those Muslims live amongst us, amongst everybody, they don't live all together in those big ugly towers.

They are appalled by the gesticulations of the radical Muslims. They are ashamed. But at the same time, they also understand the anger of some Muslims (who can blame them ?)... Some Muslims I know, however, say things like: "we should put all those fucking maddies into the sea". A Muslim friend of mine said that...

When you listen to the Muslims who live in the suburbs, who are "radicalised" (you can read what they think on their blogs or listen to them on the radio), you can uderstand that they are very angry, because they feel more and more rejected by the French society. As they feel rejected, they need to find an identity back and this identity is of course Islam. Because when you feel despised, you need to come together and claim how proud you are to be a Muslim or anything which gives you a strong identity... it is human. And religion is deep, religion is serious, religion is beautiful (more interesting identiy than supporting the same football team isn't it ?)

On the other site, the white French people like the Muslims (actually, not the Muslims, the Arabs) less and less because they see how excessive they are and they feel that they want to question the French identity and values.

But the French people are not racist.

So it is a vicious circle, a big misunderstanding. But 30 years ago, the Muslims were OK.

What a waste ! We could have lived together.

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 10, 2006 12:07 PM

Joiesauvage, don't kid yourself.

There's no way that muslims and French people could have lived together.

Second generation muslims are becoming radicalised EVERYWHERE, not just in Europe, but around the world.

Posted by: Voltaire at February 10, 2006 3:43 PM

Voltaire, all the religions have had their dark days. We Christians were barbarians not so long ago, cutting women into pieces for any reason...

Some Muslims are more civilised than you and me, more westernised. In all the human groups there are some people who are enlightened and the mass who does not understand anything.

Islam is bound to evolve. When the French colonised Africa they christianised a lot of Muslims. They educated them.

If we had put each Muslim amonst 10 French people and given them a job, they would have been integrated. It was the case, when immigration started, in the 70's. Some Arabs did very well, they were successful and not at all obsessed with their religion. Today there are many Muslims in France who live peacefully and don't want to hear about fanatism.

I don't think that all the Western people are civilised... see what is happening now, with the cartoons: so many people don't understand what "liberty of speech" really means. Despite the fact that they have lived in a free country for years, they still don't understand what liberty is and they agree with the idea of an "anti blasphemy" law. See the media: do they fight for liberty of speech ? No, they are confused.

Humanity... the story of the fight between Reason and Obscurantism. The Muslims are not different from us.

Posted by: joiesauvage at February 10, 2006 4:00 PM

Voltaire, I beg to disagree. Most Bulgarian Muslims are far from extremism, a lot of them eat pork and drink wine and brandy. The only kind of protest that the Grand Mufti of Bulgaria advised them to perform was to send letters and e-mails to the newspapers that have published the Muhammad cartoons.

Posted by: highbg at February 10, 2006 11:22 PM

Most Muslims are ignorant of their faith or the ones who know Islam, are in denial. This post below is by a practicing Muslim:
The Quran continuously says , Mohammed is our role model, do what he said and as he did. That is why methods of prayer, fasting Zakat, Haj, and whole sharia are based on Mohammed's words and deeds. The only authentic original sources of what he said and did are six sahih hadiths and original siras by Ishaq, Tabari, Waqqidi and Sad.

As a matter of fact, you cannot understand the quran at all without the help of these sources because quran itself is without context and chronology.The Quran indicates and all hadiths and authentic siras confirm that Mohammed in his Madina life killed, asassinated, robbed, looted, pillaged and raped. He was an extremely violent man whose source of livelihood was raiding killing and looting. He captured innocent women and , distributed them among his fellow jihadis and told them that it is O.K to rape them (quran 4.3, 4.24, 23.6, 33.50 and 70.30). He had many wives and slaves himself, his son Ibrahim was born to a concubine Maria.There are no ifs and buts on these details. All muslim scholars accept that he did all that. They however defend his actions by saying that it was Allah's orders to punish unbelievers. People like Bin Laden and Zarqawi quote those violent ayas and hadiths to justify their violence against non muslims.

Most moderate muslims are ignorant of the real sira, and it is in the best interest of religious heirarchy to keep it hidden. That is the reason the full set of hadiths and siras were never translated until late 20th century from arabic. Only Mohammed's Mecca life was publicized. Any criticism of Mohammed is blasphemy punishable by death, so any one who knows about his violent life keeps his mouth shut in muslim countries. If he opens his mouth, the ignorant mob kills him without even determining if he is telling the truth. They are all brought up believing that Mohammed was the kindest man who ever lived and did not even hurt a fly.

Yes , most muslims are non violent but islam itself is an ideology of violence and hate, quran promotes it and Mohammed practised it. Best approach for us moderate muslims is to accept this truth and stop living in denial. Nobody believes us any more because the cat is out of the bag. Every one can read quran in chronology and context (of hadiths and sir)a on the internet. By denying we look like the 'naked king who thinks he is wearing the best clothes'.

Posted by: faqi at February 11, 2006 4:14 AM