Liberal Europe & Social-Marxist have found their responcible leadership with a prayer rug and advocates say not to worry, They soon well be building an Allah mosque for everyone, and one right in your home town. I'm sure this well purge Europe of all its evils and keep it on the straight and narrow.

Posted by: SirSeth at February 16, 2006 12:43 PM

In regard to Koffee Anonymous's declaration: "You don't joke about other people's religion and must respect what is holy for other people..."

-are we to supinely honor human sacrifice if some "church" finds it sacred? (Aztecs ripping out live hearts to feed the sun aren't that long gone.)

Are we to take seriously a "creed" built on the ramblings of a pedophile without a peep of disagreement? Or even a disparaging chuckle?

If people handle rattlesnakes as part of their "religious" service, are we to nod solemnly and say that makes sense?

How about a "faith" that misreads a Biblical verse about "not drinking blood" and then irrationally forbids their members from having life-saving blood transfusions (something absolutely inconceivable to the 'blood-drinking' ban makers)- should we not tell them: "You're killing and your kids yourself over a slight mistranslation, pal"?

I'll laugh at all human absurdities, whether they cloaks themselves in blue mud or a gilded robe.

And Kofi can go take a flying f*ck at a rolling donut for all I care.

Laughter is all that preserves our sanity in the cacaphony of crazy cultists.

Posted by: profitsbeard at February 16, 2006 12:45 PM

With the muslims breathing down our necks, the Norwegians go ahead and pull their collar away to better expose the artery.

Why dont they just get it over with and capitulate, drop their current law system, appoint an islamic oversight council and adopt sharia? At least the rest of the world wont have to endure the prolonged and agonizing end of europe.

If that imam told me I was now 'under his protection', I would be hard pressed not to punch him square in the teeth. Of course the next day I could expect to find a few thugs banging on my front door, but at least the stand had been made.

Posted by: Dead Infidel Walking at February 16, 2006 12:57 PM

I especially love the scenes when new management takes over... All the sheep gather in, meek, their former pretenses wiped off their ugly mugs -- they know who's boss now -- he's the new Don -- the Godfather...

He holds out his ring -- the best depiction has him aiming it ever so slightly at the ground -- Wasn't it great watching Fat Clamenza clutch the menacing hand of forgiveness and bestow a fawning almost tender kiss? Wasn't it great watching his hulk lower itself onto his fat little knees to kiss that disdainful dangerous hand!?

Now the unwritten but unversally understood rules provide that you are safe -- so to speak... The Godfather is a forgiving Godfather! He is merciful!

Everyone also understands the grave warning. If you dare cross paths with the Godfather -- then he does not forgive...

Posted by: jsla at February 16, 2006 1:33 PM

Sweden is finding out that
After allowing tons of muslims in
After allowing them to take over entire cities..
They are now in the midst of an Islamic RAPE campaign agianst its own citizens..

Even in Australia people and some lawmakers are considering if its smart to keep on allowing
its own citizens to abort their own babies...

Then since there arent any workers...
having to import muslim immigrants..
to work...
changing the entire population balance..
in less than 50 years...

They believe in australia in less than 50 years..
will primarily be muslim....

This is comming from LIBERAL lawmakers..
Who normally love abortion...
their scared to death...
They realize by the time they retire..
they wont have a country to retire IN...

So norway better wake up fast...
or it too will suffer the same fate..

Islam reminds me of a combination of
the Predator and the BORG..

Posted by: jingoist at February 16, 2006 1:57 PM

The graphic scene of surrender by Velbjorn Selbekk in front of Norwegian officials and Muslim leaders is nothing less than horrific. Does anyone have information on the reaction of ordinary Norwegians to this giveaway of Norway's freedom to those thugs? Can Mr. Selbekk really sleep better at night? Or, will he always have to look over his shoulder, wondering if the Norway Islamic Council will be back for more danegeld. Afterall, Salman Rushie was just reminded that the fatwa was still in effect for his head to be served up to the Iranian mullahs on a silver platter. Average Norwegians better turn off coverage of the Winter Olympics and work on a plan for their own survival. It seems fairly obvious that they are on their own; their government is ready to turn the keys over to the Islamic Council and friends.

Posted by: maryrose at February 16, 2006 2:29 PM

What i saw on lgf really scares the hell out of me as it should all who read it...

There, to the astonishment of his supporters, Selbekk issued an abject apology for reprinting the cartoons. At his side, accepting his act of contrition on behalf of 46 Muslim organizations and asking that all threats now be withdrawn, was Mohammed Hamdan, head of Norway’s Islamic Council. In attendance were members of the Norwegian cabinet and the largest assemblage of imams in Norway’s history. It was a picture right out of a sharia courtroom: the dhimmi prostrating himself before the Muslim leader, and the leader pardoning him – and, for good measure, declaring Selbekk to be henceforth under his protection, as if it were he, Hamdan, and not the Norwegian police, that held in his hands the security of citizens in Norway.

Selbekk, in his prepared remarks, leaned heavily on the usual soothing multicultural language, including the word “understanding.” It was clear that Selbekk had indeed come to an understanding: he understood that if he didn’t relent, he risked physical harm. He also spoke of “respect” – a word that in this context must surely have been understood by the imams to refer not to a volitional regard for a social equal but to the obligatory deference of a repentant infidel. As for Handam, he noted that “Selbekk has children the same age as my own. I want my children and his children to grow up together, live together in peace, and be friends.” This was rather chilling, given that Selbekk’s family, too, had been under threat

http://www.brucebawer.com/blog.htm

Posted by: jingoist at February 16, 2006 3:46 PM

I will give my nuclear war analogy again. Cultural Marxism(Political Correctness) is the nuclear bomb that will wipe out all cultures. Islam will be the cockroaches that inherit the earth.

These are scary times. A part of me is happy its happening. It is inevitable that Islam is going to take over Europe but maybe just maybe someone in Europe will see appeasement just leads to war. Maybe we will start to fight back. I doubt it, but just maybe.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at February 16, 2006 3:46 PM

Should I cover my hair? Perhaps I should go the whole hog, the Darth Vader look? After all religious sensibilities mustn’t be offended. We are being fed such garbage. A major part of it is the lie that there is something outre or modern in such offence. Voltaire and Diderot dedicated their lives to the merciless derision of irrational superstitious claptrap. The other great assault on religion of course came from Marxism. Until the Left became a delirious rabble of cowards and traitors, it was given that the Left is atheist and feminist. I think we need to hit these bastards repeatedly on their weakest points, these being their total ignorance of European history and the rights of women, screw them, so to speak, on the issue of individual sovereignty with particular reference to those of us on the distaff side. It is only frighteningly recently that we have fully got out of the clutches of Yahweh and Jehovah and we sure aren't surrendering to Allah. Islam is a feminist issue and while men (they are mostly men, our repulsive leaders) grovel and crawl, the 60% of the population (women and gays) who do not want clerics of any hue in our bedrooms and our wardrobes are not being consulted. The agenda is being set by the Islamists who doubtless think us non-persons. Wrong guys, wrong.

Posted by: Jaizi at February 16, 2006 3:59 PM

See what I discovered today. Clearly, if it hadn't been the cartoons, it would have been something else.

"Europe’s Last Chance
By Dr. Rachel Ehrenfeld and Alyssa A. Lappen
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 16, 2006
...the seeds of Islamic attacks against Denmark, as a stepping-stone to the Islamist takeover of Europe were planted long before the cartoons were even published.

In April 15, 2005, five months before the cartoons ran, Palestinian preacher and Hizb Ut Tahrir leader Sheikh Issam Amayra called from al Aqasa Mosque in Jerusalem, upon Muslims in Denmark to begin a holy war. His sermon translated from the Arabic by Jonathan Dahoah Halevi, director of Orient research Group in Toronto, Canada.

Amayra’s sermon warned that: “…the three percent of the Muslims in Denmark constitute a threat to the future of the kingdom of Denmark. And that should not be a surprise. After all, the Muslims in Yathrib [the city of Medina, before Mohammed moved there from Mecca] constituted less than three percent of the population there. Yet they managed to change Yathrib into Medina. Thus, it should not be a surprise that our Danish brothers manage to bring Islam to all the homes of the Danes. Allah will grant them the victory in their country in order to raise the Caliphate in Denmark.”

Amayra continued, “Afterwards the citizens of the Caliphate (which will be raised in Denmark) will wage war on Oslo, and after they change that city’s name to Medina [for the Arabian holy city] they will fight their neighboring Scandinavian countries in order to join their lands to the territory of the Caliphate. In the next stage, they will wage a holy war and spread the message of Islam to the rest of Europe, until they reach the original city of Medina. Then they will join both cities under the banner of Islam.”

Posted by: Joanna at February 16, 2006 4:07 PM

I always pictured Norway, like the other Nordic countries, as a valiant viking race. What happened? It is just absolutely bizarre. Surely there is at least one paper in Norway that sees this as pathetic pusilannimous groveling, a perfect dhimmi position. Isn't there one? It's breathtakingly....ugly.

Posted by: John Sobieski at February 16, 2006 4:10 PM

John Sobieski I always pictured Norway, like the other Nordic countries, as a valiant viking race. What happened? It is just absolutely bizarre.

Scandinavian countries have known peace and prosperity for so long, WWII left them largely untouched, that they are now afraid at finding something really ugly on their door step.

It is FEAR that has been the guiding emotion of the entire Western world since 9/11. We have been terrorised in our own lands even though the muslim population is at most 10% at the moment. What will happen in the next 20 years or so, is frightful to think of.

The real blame for this state of affairs is our own governments cowardice, and their stated notice that they are no longer to be held accountable for defending the citizens who they represent, but only muslim interests and immigrants. The clearest indication of this policy was in London, where the police did absolutely nothing against muslim demonstrators who openly threatened the realm, but immediately and harshly threatened a lone protester who had the courage to stand up to these vile supporters of a vile paedophile so called prophet.

There is another fear that may be guiding these dhiimicrats in Europe - and that is the fear of a resurgent European nationalism. If that monster is re-awakened then we had all better hang on to our hats.

Posted by: DP111 at February 16, 2006 4:38 PM

"There is another fear that may be guiding these dhiimicrats in Europe - and that is the fear of a resurgent European nationalism. If that monster is re-awakened then we had all better hang on to our hats."

I'm afraid our stalwart "allies" in Europe leave only this binary pathway forward --

Pathway Zero: Continue on the cowardly and toothless path they are now embarked on, continue as they have for 60 years, and emerge in 25-50 years as completely Islamized sewer...

or

Pathway One: Foment your populations towards very nasty nationalism to defend their homelands... This is a trick that Europe has formerly excelled in and a path she has followed many times in the past -- namely Nazism and Neo_Nazi Fascism...

Either way -- it's the end of the world as we know it -- and I guess I should feel fine...

Posted by: jsla at February 16, 2006 4:50 PM

The humiliation of Velbjørn Selbekk has the attributes of a similar event that took place in Rome several centuries ago.

This incidence brings to mind Galileo's recantation- under threat of violence and in front of papal clerics. That event shut down free enquiry in much of the Catholic world, and brought a full stop to the Renaissance in its very birthplace. It was the Protestant world that thus brought forth the scientific, social and industrial revolutions.

Now this is happening in modern Norway. It is hard not to think that a new Dark Age is in the offing - worse then before, as this one will have all the help from a mature technology.

Posted by: DP111 at February 16, 2006 5:04 PM

jsla

I too feel depressed about the scenario that is unfolding. I have children who are at University and fear for their future.

I wonder what Norwegians think. No not Fjordman - I know what his reaction will be.

Posted by: DP111 at February 16, 2006 5:10 PM

"Kofi Annan, in a February 12 interview on Danish TV, said "You don’t joke about other people’s religion, and you must respect what is holy for other people.""

This level of stupidity, while no longer surprising to me, has got to grate on the ordinary citizen who has just witnessed the weeks of cartoon rage. In the same way that seeing cartoon rage will wake up ordinary citizens, hearing bone-headedly stupid comments like this about Islam will hopefully make people frustrated. This frustration will affect how they talk about Islam. It will affect how they vote.

Posted by: Archimedes at February 16, 2006 5:16 PM

And to add insult to injury, none of these worthies, of course, expects Muslims to "respect what is holy for other people".

Posted by: philiph35 at February 16, 2006 5:31 PM

This type of behavior creates the conditions for the type of European nationalism that is so feared.

The "middle way" of pride in European heritage, firm standards of assimilation, limits on immigration from certain countries, etc. are all reasonable ways to deal with the current muslims problem.

By ignoring and belittling the realities of the culture clash, European elites are setting up a scenario for a nasty backlash indeed.

Posted by: treehugger at February 16, 2006 5:50 PM

I'm afraid our stalwart "allies" in Europe leave only this binary pathway forward --

Pathway Zero: Continue on the cowardly and toothless path they are now embarked on, continue as they have for 60 years, and emerge in 25-50 years as completely Islamized sewer...

or

Pathway One: Foment your populations towards very nasty nationalism to defend their homelands... This is a trick that Europe has formerly excelled in and a path she has followed many times in the past -- namely Nazism and Neo_Nazi Fascism...

Either way -- it's the end of the world as we know it -- and I guess I should feel fine...

Posted by: jsla at February 16, 2006 04:50 PM

This is indeed a tricky one, Europes mainstream politicians are all jumping for option zero and the only people comming up with any credible solutions are the people necessary for option one.

I have yet to see a credible third option. I think we have to bite the bullet let the nationalists do their thing and worry about the consequences afterwards. At least the nationalists dont want to drag the world back to the 6th century.

Posted by: km at February 16, 2006 6:17 PM

philiph35 posted: And to add insult to injury, none of these worthies, of course, expects Muslims to "respect what is holy for other people".

The article below explains what we readily perceive as double standards but which even the most enlightened muslim finds impossible to comprehend.

Yes, they are hypocrites by Western standards. But no, they are not hypocrites by Muslim standards. This is important to grasp, if we are to avoid sliding into the bottomless trap of moral relativism.

http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/index.php?artID=569

Well worth reading to get a handle on the mindset on muslims.

Posted by: DP111 at February 16, 2006 6:46 PM

There is a 3rd pathway, jsla: Declare all Moslems to be members of an extremely dangerous organized crime enterprise and expulse them from the European continent.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 16, 2006 11:52 PM

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18159605%255E7583,00.html

MY interest in demography dates back to September 11, 2001, when a demographic group I hadn't hitherto given much thought managed to get my attention. I don't mean the, ah, unfortunate business with the planes and buildings and so forth, but the open cheering of the attacks by their co-religionists in Montreal, Yorkshire, Copenhagen and elsewhere. How many people knew there were fast-growing and culturally confident Muslim populations in Scandinavia?

Demography doesn't explain everything but it accounts for a good 90 per cent. The "who" is the best indicator of the what-where-when-and-why. Go on, pick a subject. Will Japan's economy return to the heady days of the 1980s when US businesses cowered in terror? Answer: No. Japan is exactly the same as it was in its heyday except for one fact: it stopped breeding and its population aged. Will China be the hyperpower of the 21st century? Answer: No. Its population will get old before it gets rich.

Check back with me in a century and we'll see who's right on that one. But here's one we know the answer to: Why is this newspaper published in the language of a tiny island on the other side of the earth? Why does Australia have an English Queen, English common law, English institutions? Because England was the first nation to conquer infant mortality.

By 1820 medical progress had so transformed British life that half the population was under the age of 15. Britain had the manpower to take, hold, settle and administer huge chunks of real estate around the planet. Had, say, China or Russia been first to overcome childhood mortality, the modern world would be very different.

What country today has half of its population under the age of 15? Italy has 14 per cent, the UK 18 per cent, Australia 20 per cent - and Saudi Arabia has 39 per cent, Pakistan 40 per cent and Yemen 47 per cent. Little Yemen, like little Britain 200 years ago, will send its surplus youth around the world - one way or another.

So, whether or not her remarks were "outrageous" (the Democrats' Lyn Allison), "insensitive" (the Greens' Rachel Siewert), "offensively discriminatory" (Sydney's Daily Telegraph) and "bigoted" (this newspaper), I salute Danna Vale. You don't have to agree with her argument that Australia's aborting itself out of recognition and that therefore Islam will inherit by default to think it's worth asking a couple of questions:

* Is abortion in society's interest?

* Can a society become more Muslim in its demographic character without also becoming more Muslim in its political and civil character?

The first one's easy: One can understand that 17-year-old Glenys working the late shift at Burger King and knocked up by some bloke who scrammed 10 minutes after conception may believe it's in her interest to exercise "a woman's right to choose", but the state has absolutely no interest in encouraging women in general to exercise that choice.

Quite the opposite: given that today's wee bairns are tomorrow's funders of otherwise unsustainable social programs, all responsible governments should be seriously natalist. The reason Europe, Russia and Japan are doomed boils down to a big lack of babies. Abortion isn't solely responsible for that but it's certainly part of the problem.

In attempting to refute Vale's argument, this newspaper praised the nation's maidenhood for lying back and thinking of Australia and getting the national fertility rate up from 1.73 births per woman in 2001 to 1.77, "well above rates in developed nations such as Italy, Spain, Japan, Germany and South Korea".

Well, pop the champagne corks! That's like saying Mark Latham's political prospects are better than Harold Holt's. The countries cited are going out of business. Seventeen European nations are now at what demographers call "lowest-low" fertility - 1.3 births per woman, the point at which you're so far down the death spiral you can't pull out.

In theory, those countries will find their population halving every 40 years or so. In practice, it will be quicker than that, as the savvier youngsters figure there's no point sticking around a country that's turned into one big undertaker's waiting room: not every pimply burger flipper is going to want to work himself into the ground to pay for new shuffleboard courts at the old folks' home.

In 2005, some 137 million babies were born around the globe. That 137 million is the maximum number of 20-year-olds who'll be around in 2025. There are no more, no other sources; that's it, barring the introduction of mass accelerated cloning (which is by no means an impossibility). Who that 137 million are will determine the character of our world.

The shape's already becoming clear. Take those Danish cartoons. Every internet blogger wants to take a stand on principle alongside plucky little Denmark. But there's only five million of them. Whereas there are 20 million Muslims in Europe - officially. That's the equivalent of the Danes plus the Irish plus the Belgians plus the Estonians.

You do the mathematics. If you want the reality of Europe in a nutshell, walk into a supermarket belonging to the French chain Carrefour. You'll be greeted by a notice in Arabic: "Dear Clients, We express solidarity with the Islamic and Egyptian community. Carrefour doesn't carry Danish products." It's strictly business: they have three Danish customers and a gazillion Muslim ones. Retail sales-wise, they know which way their bread's buttered and it isn't with Lurpak.

That's Vale's second point. If a society chooses to outsource its breeding, who your suppliers are is not unimportant. "I've heard those very silly remarks made about immigrants to this country since I was a child," says Allison.

"If it wasn't the Greeks, it was the Italians or it was the Vietnamese."

Those are races or nationalities. But Islam is a religion, and an explicitly political one - unlike the birthplace of your grandfather it's not something you leave behind in the old country. Indeed, for its adherents in the West, it becomes their principal expression - a Pan-Islamic identity that transcends borders.

Instead of a melting pot, there's conversion: A Scot can marry a Greek or a Botswanan, but when a Scot marries a Yemeni it's because the former has become a Muslim. In defiance of normal immigration patterns, the host country winds up assimilating with Islam: French municipal swimming baths introduce non-mixed bathing sessions; a Canadian Government report recommends the legalisation of polygamy; Seville removes King Ferdinand III as patron of the annual fiesta because he played too, um, prominent a role in taking back Spain from the Moors.

When the fastest-breeding demographic group on the planet is also the one most resistant to the pieties of the social-democratic state that's a profound challenge. Yes, yes, I know Islam is very varied, and Riyadh has a vibrant gay scene, and the Khartoum Feminist Publishing Collective now has so many members they've rented lavish new offices above the clitorectomy clinic. I don't claim to have all the answers, except when I'm being interviewed live on TV. But that's better than claiming, as most of Vale's disparagers do, that there aren't even any questions.

Where she goes wrong is in consigning the Lucky Country to the same trash can of history as Old Europe. For Australia, this is not hail and farewell - or, as the Romans put it, ave atque (Danna) vale. Japan is unicultural: a native population ageing and dying. Europe is bicultural: a fading elderly population yielding to a young surging Islam.

But Australia, like the US, is genuinely multicultural, at least in the sense that its immigration is not from a single overwhelming source. The remorseless transformation of Eutopia into Eurabia is already prompting the Dutch to abandon their country in record numbers, for Canada and New Zealand.

In the years ahead, North America and Australia will have the pick of European talent and a chance to learn the lessons of its self-extinction, as they apply to abortion and much else.

In the '70s and '80, Muslims had children - those self-detonating Islamists in London and Gaza and Bali are a literal baby boom - while westerners took all those silly books about overpopulation seriously. A people that won't multiply can't go forth or go anywhere. Those who do will shape the world we live in.

Mark Steyn, a columnist with the Telegraph Group, is a regular contributor to The Australian's Opinion page.

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I thought the above article was right on target.

Too often I have heard the experts discuss the need to only have a "replacement" family of two children and many have listened. Replacement is actually four children, not two. Because many children do not grow up and reproduce due to death caused by illness and accidents (or war), do not marry or marry someone whose family is complete, can not marry (due to mental illness or genetics like C.P. or Downs or autism), don't stay married long enough to reproduce, or can not reproduce for various reasons (illness, accidents, homosexuality and sterility). The rest must have four children to make up the difference or population shrinks. Growth requires even more.

Many people have had only one child thinking they are doing good for the world.

And the calls for population control are everywhere. Except the islamic areas of the world. While half the islamic world lives entirely on benefits provided by the west. The western family must have two incomes to get by and their money gets sent overseas, and now also locally, to provide for huge immigrant families.

Even if abortion was not legal, most non-muslim people would not be having large families. Even wealthy people have only two children. They have been brainwashed (in school) into thinking reproducing is bad for the world. Stop the brainwashing. And it's hard to have large families if both must work. Outsourcing jobs is not helping.

I like Mr. Steyns remark about countries needing to be "natalist". Family and community support would go a long way, too. Large families are treated with disdain instead of compliments. When a pregnancy is announced instead of hearty congrats comments are more like -you know what causes that don't you, or, got caught, huh? Or can you afford that? Or aren't you too young to have kids, or, more baggage? Or, why do you want to be tied down with a big family? Unless you live in a Mormon area. And marketers always show the perfect family as two kids. Anything more than that is used to show an out of control situation. Brainwashing all around.

The west needs to STOP helping THEM and start helping itself. Would you bring a baby lion into your home and feed it? Long term consequences matter. The Christian religion paints a rosy picture of the lion laying down with the lamb. In the real world that is suicide for the lamb.

Posted by: Borg at February 17, 2006 12:41 AM

Perhaps one of the more prophetic of statements i have read today and you dont have to a prophet to see the future of the west. The west has lost its faith, is being strangled to death by secularism. The west no longer has the Christendom convictions that rolled these barbarians back during the era of the crusade. So look forward to your dhimmitude.

Posted by: CrusadoRob at February 17, 2006 8:04 PM

furthermore democracry wont protect you when the abortion (thanks to radical non-sensical feminism) v's islamic birth rate makes the Islamist the majority... lets see democracy save you then secularists. See no need be a prophet for that fortune cookie

Posted by: CrusadoRob at February 17, 2006 8:06 PM