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Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald discusses the prospect of an independent Kosovo, now being bandied about:
Independence for a Muslim Kosovo? No. Without commenting in detail on the history of the Serbs in Kosovo, one can simply offer the following:Ibrahim Rugova, recently deceased, was always presented as a "moderate" Albanian in Kosovo. Yet he never uttered a word about the destruction, in recent times, of Orthodox churches, or the harrying, and murder, of Serbian villagers. Nor did he ever note that Izetbegovic's plan to thoroughly islamize whatever area he controlled was set out long before there was any "in the heat of battle" to explain it away.
In World War II, the United States and Great Britain had to do whatever they could to stop Hitler. To this end, they made common cause with, and even gave aid to, a regime that was not exactly to the liking of either country, and certainly not to Winston Churchill or to Franklin Roosevelt: the Soviet Union. That aid, offloaded at Murmansk, was not only in tangible tanks and guns. It was also in diplomatic support, financial support, all other kinds of support. And there was no stopping, during that war, to tell the Soviet regime how badly it behaved, because all that mattered then was to stop Hitler and the Nazis.
The triumph of Islam, or any victory, anywhere that will be interpreted by Muslims as a triumph of Islam, should be opposed for that very reason. It could be a case where the Muslim demands are outrageous, as in the Lesser Jihad against Israel which has so successfully been based on manipulation of the phrase "the Palestinian people" -- so as to make it seem as merely a nationalist resistance. This disguises the fact that it is and always was, and always will be, a classic Jihad, designed to destroy an Infidel sovereignty and to replace it with one where Islam will "dominate and is not to be dominated" -- even where the Shari'a will be imposed.It could also be a case as in Chechnya, where the historical record makes one more sympathetic to the Chechens. They were moved about and subject to massacres by Stalin, and are now being put down with Soviet-style ruthlessness. But now that the Chechen cause has been thoroughly islamized, and its triumph would be a triumph for Islam, even those doubtful about the Russian (Soviet) regime and aware of what happened to the Chechens under Stalin must still be opposed to a victory for Chechnya.
And the same goes everywhere where a victory for the Muslim side will inevitably lead to a shrill triumphalism that can only be bad for Infidels, whatever they think, wherever their expressed sympathies lie.
And that is why those who, trying to be fair, trying to be more than fair, and stating a case for the Albanians (that is, the Muslim Albanians, even as they destroy churches and the villages), are actually working to make Islam stronger.
Under Ottoman rule, many Christian Albanians converted to Islam so as to avoid being treated the way non-Muslims were treated (devshirme, etcetera). That is how native Albanians became Muslims in the first place. The supposed "moderateness" of the Islam practiced by many Albanians reflected several things: the recent arrival of Islam, the separation of Albania physically from the Ottoman heartland by Christian Greece, and the presence within Albania and in circumambient lands of large numbers of Christians. These people had not yet been thoroughly subjugated; their mere example and presence helped to foster a more relaxed atmosphere, a less observant group of Muslims. The kind of syncretism, of softening of the edges of Islam, can in the same way, for the same kind of reasons, be observed in the East Indies, where for so long large communities of Hindus, Buddhists, and other non-Muslims put a break on Islam's ferocity -- a check on fanaticism, a dilution of the mores and manners that the Sharia mandates. And in the last two centuries, the appearance of large numbers of both Chinese, and the Dutch colonial rulers, also helped to constrain Islam. (Those Dutch were for a while guided in their attempts to deal with Islam by none other than Snouck Hurgronje himself).
As for the "co-existence" about which we hear so much, it was a matter of being under Ottoman Muslim rule, where the Christians knew their place. But now that that Ottoman tide has subsided in Europe, the Muslim Albanians have not all refocused their energies on religion (so many are busily involved in the drug and prostitution trades in Italy, for example), but when they do -- well, watch out. For inevitably, "moderates" can, in a wink, shed that "moderation" and become real full-fledged, full-bodied Muslims. And that means, as all those who watched the dozens of venerable Orthodox churches go up in flames last year, the Full Monty, Muslim-style.
Most Albanian immigrants around the world, in such places as Massachusetts (where old King Zog, presumably a merry old soul, spent many years), are Orthodox Albanian. They fled years ago the Muslim environment, just as did Christians from Lebanon and Syria. And perhaps their descendants do not always realize, in one case as in the other, why their ancestors fled -- but it had a great deal to do with the growing menace and perceived encroachments of Islam.
Independence for a Muslim Kosovo? No. A thousand times no.
Posted by Robert at February 26, 2006 7:32 AM
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at February 26, 2006 11:17 AM
We recently discussed this here, for anyone who missed it:
Kosovo Bishop Warns Not to Hand Jihadists a Victory
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010375.php#comments
And yes, Hugh is right. Kosovo must not be rewarded for its jihad.
Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever
at February 26, 2006 11:20 AM
From the book "The mind of the Musulman"
There is nothing to be done with these fanatics. They bow to the force of circumstances for the time being, but as soon as they are in a position to revolt, they consider rebellion as a sacred duty. There is no evolution to be hoped for from them; they arc irremediably fixed in their conception; regarding this conception as perfect, they will never agree to modify it. With regard to them, what we have advocated in respect to Islam in general, i.e., neutrality, is only an attitude of policy. We have not got to fight the Bedouins of Arabia, because from no point of view have we anything to do with them; neither should we aid or protect them under any pretext. Let us leave them to live their own life, to their habits and their traditions-inferior beings in the midst of a civilized world leading the life of barbarians of the remotest ages, they are doomed to disappear...We should never forget that whenever we have to deal with Musulman people, whoever they may be, they will always, in spite of appearances, be disposed to respect the law of religious solidarity; and that any interests which may, for the moment, divide them, would have but a relative value and would never constitute a harrier to their union, more or less disguised, against the foreigner. The Musulman, whoever he may be, submits to the strict discipline of Islam. He acts always in conformity with the higher interests of Islam. This amounts to saying that he will never really sacrifice any fraction whatever of the Musulman world to a non-Musulman Power.
Do read this book. It is all here, written in 1920
but words of advice are for today. Nothing has changed.
http://musulmanbook.blogspot.com/
at February 26, 2006 1:33 PM
Great post, there isnt an issue now that has me more infuriated than the talk of an independant kosovo. Where were all these peaceniks when an country was bombed based on faulty intelligence. Where were they where an illegal war was waged that neither had approval from the UN or Congress. It seems that the US and Britain are pushing hard for independence and it seems Russia isnt putting much of a fight. This is bad news for both since Russia doesnt have many friends now and if it wants support from countries it needs to show it is willing to stick up for its friends. And for the US I dont blame Europeans for not supporting them on their war in terror. If the war on terror means sacrificing your country to appease Muslims as we take the fight to them well hey I would almost rather have the US lose this war. I mean whose side is the US on? I still havent figured it out.
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian
at February 26, 2006 6:57 PM
Have_mercy: "In the modern political environment dominated by far let ideological notations, a historically Christian-dominated nation can not wage a counter-Jihad campaign with the necessary ferocity as to be effective against a brutal, unrelenting and cunning enemy, unlike any other in human history."
Then we'll have to work to change the one thing we can affect, namely the "modern political environment". It certainly appears to be a race against time though.
from DP111's quote from the Servier book: "...neither should we aid or protect them under any pretext. Let us leave them to live their own life, to their habits and their traditions-inferior beings in the midst of a civilized world leading the life of barbarians of the remotest ages, they are doomed to disappear..."
Works for me. And how incredibly refreshing to see good old common sense, with none of the "modern political environment" constraining one's ability to simply call a spade a spade.
Wouldn't it actually make everyone happier if we took his advice? The majority of Muslims would welcome it, as they've made abundantly clear!. Most far leftists would welcome it. Most on the traditional right would welcome it. So where's the beef? Just leave them to their arcane habits, in their own arcane world, like exotic creatures that folks occasionally go see on safari. But we also have to be sure to keep them far and away the hell from the rest of us, understanding that like animals, they are driven to act on their instincts.
Really, it's a win-win for everyone.
at February 26, 2006 7:47 PM


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