Huh, it's ironic that "Azadi" means freedom. Orwellian doublethink.

Posted by: Jsingleton at March 2, 2006 10:05 AM

"Within minutes, the security forces started to attack the teenage girls and young women. They were all forced into a bus and driven away."

I think we can all make a pretty good guess of what happened next. I won't hold my breath waiting for women's rights groups in Europe or the U.S. to protest the Iranian government's actions.

Posted by: Howard, Fine & Howard at March 2, 2006 10:18 AM

This speaks well of these Iranians. Despite the restrictions of sharia, these women did not quietly submit but spoke out for their rights with banners and demonstrations. Could you imagine women daring to take such a stand in Saudi Arabia? These brave women were willing to suffer police assault and arrest to stand up for their rights. Clearly the future liberation of Iran will come from its women.

Posted by: Provoslavni at March 2, 2006 10:50 AM

What in the sam hill is wrong with watching football? Unless it's nude football..then of course...

I had assumed they didn't let women and girls PLAY sports. But what's the muslim male reasoning behind not watching it????

I guess the next law Iran passes will be that women can only breathe six hours a day.

Posted by: freewoman at March 2, 2006 11:02 AM

OT

Financial Times reported Thursday her husband -- who it said was paid 300,000 dollars in 2002 to address a summit in Dubai -- has advised Dubai officials how to soothe US concerns over the deal.

"Mr. Clinton, who this week called the United Arab Emirates a 'good ally to America,' advised Dubai's leaders to propose a 45-day delay to allow for an intensive investigation of the acquisition," the FT said, citing a spokesman for the ex president.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060302/ts_alt_afp/usuaeporttakeover_060302151101

Posted by: DP111 at March 2, 2006 11:12 AM

re: Ports deal.

Former president Bill Clinton has privately advised Dubai officials how to address US political concerns over a controversial ports deal, as his wife, Senator Hillary Clinton, publicly attacks the deal.

Posted by: DP111 at March 2, 2006 11:14 AM

There was talk (which came to nothing, I even wrote to fifa myself and never got the courtesy of a reply) of FIFA banning Iran because of the human rights issue of women banned from football matches. This was sparked by an incident at, I think a world cup qualifier, when quiet a few, obviously we don't know exactly how many, young women entered the ground disguised as boys. The ones who got found out got beaten up. Now I was often mistaken for a boy myself in my early teens, wearing a baggy anorak and bobble hat, as I paid my 3/6 throught Leyton Orient's boys turnstile. I never got beaten up though, just a apology and addressed as luv rather than son.

The one exception to Iran's rule was about 4 years ago when they played the Republic of Ireland who insisted that their female supporters be allowed in, or they would pull out of the match. It was permitted so long as the Irishwomen wore acceptable dress. They wore black coats and emerald green hijabs, some of the Irishmen also wore hijabs in solidarity.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2001%2F11%2F18%2Fwfoot18.xml

This description all sounds rather jolly but there have been some very nasty incidents.
When I think how much pleasure my dad and I had watching football together, and this is denied so many women and girls.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at March 2, 2006 11:17 AM

Granny, I read the article you posted explaining why women aren't allowed in football stadiums.

But any woman who's had a baby, has already lost all "delicate sensiblities". What's a cuss word or two.

It's just a control issue with them.

Posted by: freewoman at March 2, 2006 11:38 AM

freewoman

"..But what's the muslim male reasoning behind not watching it????'

Reasoning is too strong a term for this reaction ... which has everything to do with Mohammedans fear of the feminine .. You see, if women go to the games the men might be FORCED to look at them (instead of the manly men with rippling muscles playing ball) and get so overwhelmed by the curvy burkhas (suggesting females) that their blood would come to a boil and they'd explode. That's the official line from the mullahs anyway.

Personally, I think it has a lot more to do with being interrupted in their favorite sport: Male watching.

Posted by: Daisytoo at March 2, 2006 11:45 AM

I thought I remembered reading a more disturbing report of the Irish supporters experience.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/islam/story/0,1442,597017,00.html

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at March 2, 2006 11:51 AM

Those darn unruly soccer Hooligans...they're a danger to us all!!! Kudos for the mohamedans...the quran does have some worth afterall! Fight them where you find them especially behind those rocks and stuff.

Shunkleash(PBUH)

Posted by: Shunkleash at March 2, 2006 12:04 PM

"Foul language." What a bunch of ****ing **** **** Volkswagen ******* *** alternating Tuesdays ****** while lawn bowling bull****. ;)

They don't want the women checking out the male athletes. That's all there is to it.

Posted by: Shinoliite at March 2, 2006 12:39 PM

I'm sure the mullahs don't want the girls to forget the origins of the soccer ball.

Something that is no longer able to talk back. But rolls nicely, as long as the hair isn't too long.

I thought Sport, unless of some martial genre (wrestling, etc.), was haram in Islam? As frivolous.

Maybe the original equipment are what they are prepping for in these infidel-style versions of the game. Zarqawi as ball-boy?

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 2, 2006 1:01 PM

This is great to see so much courage from these young women!! we need to help free these women.. as they can help destroy islam!!

Posted by: Lulu at March 2, 2006 1:17 PM

Perfect society to foster the homosexual lifestyle. Men hanging with boys 24 hours per day. Women forced to stay together hours on hours a day......never in the presence of men unless covered.

Oh no...... the unmasculine male that is holding hands with his sugar daddy in the soccer stadium stands.......does not need any attractive female covered from head to toe competing for his sugar daddy's attention! But......the unmasculine boy or unmasculine male can walk down the street holding his sugar daddy's hand and stop at a sidewalk cafe for some nice tea. And when the daily prayers call....his sweet stuff can get in the row in front of him...so no other sugar daddy can get a view of his sweet stuff.

And you women.........just do your praying at home........MOJO preferred it that way. I just hope the women at home are having some great pajama parties while the boys and men play.

Posted by: rumoret at March 2, 2006 1:34 PM

An old saying, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

I know it's very hard to change a thousand years of tradition. But from my understanding, the under 30 generation likes the American way of life. Just like these women trying to break the rules.

When this generation starts having children, are they going to teach ways other than Islam? Maybe they can teach their children that they have a brain, and they have choices. Maybe they can realize the Koran is not the way to live.

They have a chance to change their lives, their children's lives and maybe even their parents lives.

Posted by: freewoman at March 2, 2006 1:37 PM

Tell me, just tell me that Islam is not an evil cult of death.

Posted by: US_infidel at March 2, 2006 1:38 PM

Reasoning is too strong a term for this reaction ... which has everything to do with Mohammedans fear of the feminine .. You see, if women go to the games the men might be FORCED to look at them (instead of the manly men with rippling muscles playing ball) and get so overwhelmed by the curvy burkhas (suggesting females) that their blood would come to a boil and they'd explode. That's the official line from the mullahs anyway. Posted by: Daisytoo

Actually I think the mullahs just want all the "men" to be gayboys. Don't tempt them with women who may be smarter or definitely better looking than those cross eyed, buck toothed muslim "men". Besides, the muslim "men" won't get their 72 virgins (Virginian's actually - hahaha) if they explode because their oh so sensitive eyes looked upon a woman.

Just my 2 cents worth, because islam isn't worth even that much.

Posted by: CelticCoyote at March 2, 2006 2:35 PM

"Tell me, just tell me that Islam is not an evil cult of death."

US_Infidel - Sorry, I'd sure like to help - but if I said that then I'd have to tell you the ancient Aztecs were also not a death cult - and that, my friend, would only add another lie to the first :)

Posted by: Daisytoo at March 2, 2006 3:26 PM

Granny Weatherwax,

How I love your name! Thanks so much for that link .. heartwarming and sad in the same moment.

Posted by: Daisytoo at March 2, 2006 3:36 PM

Hi Daisytoo
Football is such a family event in my circle, even though I rarely go to matches myself now, that this ban strikes deeply at things I hold dear.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at March 2, 2006 4:07 PM

"Personally, I think it has a lot more to do with being interrupted in their favorite sport: Male watching".
Daisytoo

Actually, there is something to dig here (no pun). Why are the Muslims so homophobic ? Why do they hang around in hammams all day ? Why are they so scared of women ?

Any psychologist or sexologist here ?

But the Christian men also used to hate women ("Satan") and exclude them from their manifold virile activities.

"Gayness, religion and fear of sex"... it would be a good subject for a doctorate wouldn't it ?

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 2, 2006 4:11 PM

i take iranfocus with a pinch of salt - unless there's corroborating news stories from other sources, i'll treat their stories with as much skepticism as say "debkafile".

and yeah - i know that Iran is a nutty , islamic nightmare. but corroborating evidence please.

Posted by: archduke at March 2, 2006 4:18 PM

i stand corrected

a poster above linked to this:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/islam/story/0,1442,597017,00.html

good god...
unreal.

Posted by: archduke at March 2, 2006 4:23 PM

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=689506&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1

The United States won't trust Israel but it will trust Islamofascists.

Feminists should be forced to read this Iran Focus story.

Posted by: NicephorusPhocas at March 2, 2006 4:25 PM

"Gayness, religion and fear of sex"... it would be a good subject for a doctorate wouldn't it?"

This statement, to me, resonates quite strongly and its a topic that begs for debate. There are very distinct similarites across all ultra-religious lines (not just Islam) as pertains to human sexuality. The ultra-religious (not just Muslims)automatically equate sex to something bad or sinful and do all they can to purge this basic human need from their lives: Cover the women, create times when women are "unclean" (Judaism), and bar women from The result? Living a life that is sexually inadequate and all of the psychological fallout that comes with it, including aggression, hostility and overcompensation. Throw in political strife and cultural interpretations and, to me, its no wonder than half the Arab world is in turmoil!

The same can be equated to Catholic priests, a large portion of whom cannot seem to stay away from little boys. Many priests either grew up being self-hating homosexuals trying to repress their sexual desires or never identified with themselves sexually during puberty, thus, creating a situation where they sexually identify with peri-pubescent boys. Many die of alcohol-induced liver disease.

Conversely, many Mormons observe poligamy, which, to me, is a pendulum swing to the sexual left.

Posted by: Muhaha at March 2, 2006 4:35 PM

"Throw in political strife and cultural interpretations and, to me, its no wonder than half the Arab world is in turmoil!"

I have always thought that this Muslim violence had strong links with an "inadequate sexuality".

In France, some young Muslims practice "gang rape" on women. They call women "dogs" and use them as sexual objects. They gang rape them and have them mounted by dogs and penetrate them with any object they can find.
However, in other circumstances, they behave like total bigots and show a great pudor when it comes to sexuality and beat up their sisters if they "talk to the boys".

In the old days of Christianism, women were tortured when they were suspected of having been "impure" (I visited a torture cave somewhere in Spain with terrifying engravings showing Christian clerics cutting women into pieces with a big satisfied smile on their face).

I don't deny the beautiful messages of religion. But on the other hand, religion also seems to be a refuge and excuse for many weirdos.

Cf. Yvonne Ridley, the British Muslim convert... she used to be an alcoholic and quite unhappy in her love life (as she explains on her web site). Now that she has Islam, she does not drink anymore and men don't look at her anymore, which is such a relief.

Give each of these young Muslims a lovely lover, a companion, a friend, and the right to freely practice their sexuality with that companion, and there will be no riot anymore.

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 2, 2006 5:01 PM

I agree with you joiesauvage! I also extrapolate the argument to other religions that also over/mis interpret scripture and otherwise "overcompensate" to avoid their sexual desires. In Islamic nations, the culture and religion have become so intertwined that it is hard to tell one from the other and even more difficult for a Westerner to comprehend, so I caution such one-sided opining as I see above. I am absolutely, 100% sure that there are Muslims who are able to live quiet lives, have sex, drink moderately, play a little cards, and go to work like the rest of us.

Posted by: Muhaha at March 2, 2006 5:10 PM

"I am absolutely, 100% sure that there are Muslims who are able to live quiet lives, have sex, drink moderately, play a little cards, and go to work like the rest of us", Mhaha wrote.

Muhaha: 99,9 % of them are !

It is a system. A totalitarian, dogmatic system in which everybody lies. Religion, by definition, is accompanied with hypocrisy. You are obliged to sound devot but behind, you have sex, you drink, you smoke.

Of course you do !

I have some Arab friends who have confirmed it. For instance, their fathers are shocked whenever it comes to sex but they hide porn movies in their bedrooms. I had some interesting conversations. A young laywer smokes at work but when her father comes to the office to say hello to her, she hides her cigarettes (in Paris).

Hypocrisy is the key in those schizophrenic systems.

Read the book Carmen Bin Laden wrote about Saudi Arabia (when she was married to one of the brothers of Osama), the Kingdom of Hypocrisy and mutual fear. By the way, Carmen tells how the Saudi princesses sleep together when their men are away busy with prostitutes. But in public, everybody has to sound religious and you'd better sound more religious than your neighbour if you don't want to be suspected.

A bit like us, when we are afraid of being called a "racist" and it is the game of who will call the other "racist" first (a big speciality, here in France).

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 2, 2006 5:28 PM

Again I agree with you, joiesauvage. I think understanding the religio-cultural dynamic in the Muslim world is the first step to a Westerner "getting it." This is not to say Westerners have to agree with it or be branded as "dhimmis" Quite to the contrary, I happen to loathe how some women are treated in some Muslim nations but seek to understand it. Afterall, in 2006, what happens in the Muslim world impacts those of is in the West. We can either foment the situation or somehow work to resolve it.

Posted by: Muhaha at March 2, 2006 5:44 PM

Please, people, Islam is the first religion to free woman!!! /sarc

I always laugh when I read that in some dawa infomercial. It usually says not until Islam came along were women set free, to have rights to their own property, inheritance and money. Seems they forgot about some Greek Macedonian teenage chick from the very wealthy Ptolemy family, a descendant of Alexander the Great, no less, 600 years before ol' Mo' was even born. Seem she took up residence in Alexandria, Egypt, ran the whole country as if she owned it, and was rich and powerful enough to dump Julius Ceaser himself as a boyfriend and consort with another Roman general. Santa Cleopatra!!!

Posted by: Lisa at March 2, 2006 5:46 PM

The thought of living under Islam and sharia law, scares the crap out me. As I'm sure the thought does every other woman on this site.

The religion police would be whopping me everytime I'd get out. I'm not wearing a burka in extreme heat for ANYONE. And a headscarf is just for riding with the top down.

Muslims are idiots if they really believe Mo was a protector of women. Molester is more like it.

Posted by: freewoman at March 2, 2006 5:56 PM

But also one can observe another phenomenon: women becoming even more devot than their men. Carmen Bin Laden remarkably explains it in her book about Saudi Arabia.

The idea is that women don't really have the choice: either they resist, and then are in danger of death or prison OR they become extremely religious which is also a way of having power, for them (as well as for their male counterparts).

CF. French controversy about the veil. We saw hundreds of furious Muslim women and girls (sometimes quite young) demonstrating FOR the veil. Some of them were manipulated, but others were sincere. It was a way of saying "we exist and WE decide to wear a veil = WE make the decision".

Carmen Bin Laden explains how the rich Saudi women, who cannot go out and stay all day between women inside rich boring palaces, tend to develop quite strong religious feelings. They criticise each other for not being religious enough. They did not like Carmen because she smoked and was some kind of a rebel. And also because Carmen was not a Saudi, she was Iranian. They considered her as a "bastard" and did not appreciate her free ways.

Carmen, in her book, seems even more shocked by the women's fanaticism than by the men's one, as the men are allowed to go out. As they are allowed to go out, they can do business, travel, see prostitutes, drink and have fun. So the men practice hypocrisy whilst the women have no choice but become genuine devots.

That seems confirmed when I surf on French Muslim blogs. Very often, it is the girls who write about religion and how shocked they are by the Prophet's cartoons and that they love their veil, and things like that. In the meantime, the boys make money with drug, drive luxury cars, and have sex.

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 2, 2006 6:05 PM

Women & soccer don't mix. It is enticing young women to deviate from concentrating on Allah to start thinking about fit young men...after watching their legs & sprinting prowess.

They need to think about food & childrens. This is where the women in the west have gone wrong too. There is simply too much freedom for women in the west.

Posted by: Naseem at March 2, 2006 6:18 PM

It is enticing young women to deviate from concentrating on Allah to start thinking about fit young men...

mmmmmmm.... Naseem ! Don't make me drool ! I like fit young men ! What about you ?

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 2, 2006 6:20 PM

But Naseem, now seriously, admit you are an islamophobe trying to excite us on this site, against the Muslims...

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 2, 2006 6:22 PM

It is enticing young women to deviate from concentrating on Allah to start thinking about fit young men...after watching their legs & sprinting prowess.

Does that mean that all Muslim women have to "close their eyes and think of Allah" when they finally get lucky? Too bad, they are missing out on a lot of fun!

I met my husband at work, when he was not wearing a tshirt and was all nice and sweaty from mowing the fire station lawn. My female compatriots and I decided that we were going into the right profession!

Aaaah, memories.

And fifteen years later, he still looks darn good with his t-shirt off.

Posted by: treehugger at March 2, 2006 7:11 PM

naseem, what is to much freedom? Freedom to love, freedom for empathy. freedom for creating. You brain dead wimp naseem.

Posted by: mustang65 at March 2, 2006 7:17 PM

I suggest someone put a Mohammed cartoon on the match-ball - that would sort them Iranians out alright. They've got Portugal and Mexico in the group so they shouldn't reach the next stage anyway. Thankfully.

Posted by: disillusioned_german at March 2, 2006 7:20 PM

In my minds eye, I picture the president of iran,(aka "thug in chief") fleeing from a dozen seething women, with his pink minnie skirt lifted up between thumbs and forfingers. What is he afraid of? What a wimp!

Posted by: mustang65 at March 2, 2006 7:39 PM

From Nassim "Women & soccer don't mix. It is enticing young women to deviate from concentrating on Allah to start thinking about fit young men...after watching their legs & sprinting prowess.

They need to think about food & childrens. This is where the women in the west have gone wrong too. There is simply too much freedom for women in the west."

I found nothing wrong with what you said but my wife is now very angry, I think she might go jihad on you for your opinion of American women. Hard to understand all of what she said because of the screaming but I caught: "backward, misguided and ignorant" and for once she wasn't talking about me. If you will send me your address I will send you a calender from the 21st century, it sounds like you might have an older outdated one.

Posted by: Ronin at March 2, 2006 7:58 PM

Too much freedom... What about over in that part of the world? Are they afraid people might not choose to be Muslims if they had the option?

Freedom to make one's own decisions leads to greater devotion and a stronger moral compass precisely because it is one's own choice, whether male or female.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it, sister.

Posted by: Shinoliite at March 2, 2006 8:03 PM

Muhaha:

Nice examples of taqyya or self-delusion on your part.
The Westerners do "get it." They understand that Muslims all over the world want the destruction of Western culture so that Islam can take over. There's nothing else to "get" from a pragmatical point of view.
For the rest of us here, at J/D Watch, "getting it" means cutting thru the veils of Islamic propaganda to disclose the hard core abomination that Islam is.

What you secretly hope, though you deny it, is that Westerners accept a culture incompatible with modern, secular societies. That's why you and the French guy/gal joiesauvage keep bringing up other religions' bloody past and sins (Catholics in particular.) To you, they are all equivalent. There are no distinctions between doctrine and practice that you care to mention, there's no progress in the West's constant self-criticism and introspection, its ceaseless criticism of itself, from the Greeks thru early Christianity thru reformation and the Enlightment and all the modern thrusts toward truth and justice for all under law.

It's simply asinine to say that you loath how "some women are treated [badly] in some Muslim nations" when you clearly know--your posts prove it--that it's not a matter of a few or some, that it's a structural problem with Islam, yet still trying to urge people to "understand it."
As my truck-driver friend says, there's ultimately nothing to understand other than these Muslims want "me and my family and my neighbors dead. Let them come. That's why we have the 2nd Amendment."

Posted by: ovidius_naso at March 2, 2006 8:50 PM

I support all truck drivers :-), oh, and that 2nd amendment is cool too.

Posted by: Ronin at March 2, 2006 9:03 PM

Naseem, I have a question.

After having had FGM done on a woman, is she still able to be "enticed"?

Just curious, I've never known a woman who's had this done. I know it's popular with Islamics.

Posted by: freewoman at March 2, 2006 9:33 PM

Freewoman-- given that the brain is rightly considered the "most important" sex organ, probably not, after that kind of trauma. However, it's a phenomenon most commonly associated with northern Africa-- our friendly apologist may not even have heard of it.

An article at Frontpage:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16191

And, all the info you can stand, if you can stomach it, archived at the FaithFreedom.org forums.

Now, please, let's leave this tragic subject and get back to the sublime wonders of the male athlete. American football, anybody? Quarterbacks? ;)

Posted by: Shinoliite at March 2, 2006 10:37 PM

Shinoliite-

And I thought ladies always preferred the Tight End?

Some I know say they like men's hands best.

Apposing thumbs are not to be scorned.

Posted by: profitsbeard at March 2, 2006 11:29 PM

Profitsbeard-- 5 months 'til the NFL preseason, and counting...

Posted by: Shinoliite at March 3, 2006 2:32 AM

Some time ago, on Michael Medved, I heard about a Saudi attempt to Islamize Soccer by changing the rules and practices of the game. It would be interesting to see it played out. Maybe, it could be more Islamic to score own goals, constantly fouling by too many hand balls, etc.

Naseemah Sultana

Women & soccer may not mix, but why women & cricket? I never saw a shortage of women - young and old - at Pakistan cricket matches, and they all drooled over Imran Khan. How exactly did they not get enticed to deviate from concentrating on Allah to start thinking about fit Mr Niazi ... after watching his legs and sprinting prowess? As it is, everyone fantacized about having sex with him, and then he went on to marry a Jew... now divorced.

Not to mention all that gambling that went on in cricket over several years.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at March 3, 2006 3:23 AM

Hey, Naseem!

You are crazy.

Women are exactly the same as men in 99% of their genetics, their intellect & their abilities. The differences are much smaller than you think.

Know what will either destroy Islam or modify it (thus saving it)? It will be the women; yes YOUR women, that you treat like your herds of sheep. Wake up and realize they are as good as you are in every respect.

YOU think about "food and childrens" for a while, and let the women take part in your society. You people are conducting your culture with only half of your humanity.

Posted by: corax at March 3, 2006 3:24 AM

Women & soccer don't mix....They need to think about food & childrens.

Like I said, it's a family event in the circles I move. But I suspect that a Muslim family cannot comprehend a father and daughter, or a husband and wife, discussing the finer points of the 344 system, as equals. I like an old fashioned winger myself.

I pray for you, I really do.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at March 3, 2006 4:27 AM

Keep your wigs on !
Naseem is probably not a Muslim... just a joker.

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 3, 2006 7:41 AM

A Muslim would not have spoken like that. He would have given plenty of arguments directly taken from the Koran and he would sincerely have expressed his sadness for us, as he would have considered that we are lost and living in darkness.
Naseem intevention is too dry to sound real.

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 3, 2006 7:45 AM

"after watching their legs & sprinting prowess"

and a real Muslim would have been too prude to even start talking about the athletes' legs and some women watching them.

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 3, 2006 7:47 AM

"There is simply too much freedom for women in the west." - Naseem

With that, I add my prayers for you to Granny's prayers, dear woman. I feel so sorry for any woman who would say (or even think) a thing like that.

True freedom can only come with self-control not coercion. You are confusing true freedom (spiritual liberty coupled with the ability to choose between courses of action) with false freedom (sexual licence).

No one is free who is enslaved to the appetites of the flesh, whether Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddist, or whathaveyou. From what I observe, Islam feeds the appetites of the flesh in men and denies these same appetites in women. This is not an answer to this age old problem at all. All Islam does is compound the problem, seems to me.

Nonetheless, my prayers are with you.

Posted by: Rebecca JW at March 3, 2006 9:03 AM

joiesauvage

Late last night I read your comments with your question, "is anyone a Psychologist -sexologist"? I'm a Jungian based Psychotherapist, and so you can imagine my sense of serendipity (and synchronisity too :) when I came to Dhimmi Watch this morning .. planning to let you know that ... and also to tell you about Wafa Sultan .. And there she is at the top of the page - courtesy Robert and Hugh!

I believe that Islam, at it's core level, is fear-based and consequently, deeply disturbed. The Feminine is completely degraded within this system; which, of course, means the Masculine is as well. Having to do with the bully loyalty Islam demands - Muslim men are absolutely dependent upon women and consequently are chronically humiliated and enraged. Collectively, Muslim women routinely suffer depression.

Muslims also suffer a condition called "learned helplessness". In the same way abusive parents harm their children 'for their own good' Islam harms. Again, just as abused children are held in thrall to their terrifying parents (secretly holding them in contempt .. outwardly holding them on a permanent pedestal ) Muslims are held hostage by Islam.

Both the social and sexual arrangement/expression of Islam is sadomasochistic. Homoeroticism does not necessarily indicate homosexuality (there are lots of ideas about this) My own sense is that Muslims do not have more (or less) homosexuality as a people than any other group of people. It's more that Islam's deep contempt for the human condition and the longing for death within Islam creates and exacerbates the schism between genders; this divide gets expressed homoerotically. Islam's shadow (unrealized aspects/longing) among other things, contains love and freedom. This is what they reject and need in the same moment.

In addition to today's posting from the breathtakingly honest Dr. Sultan Sultan. :
Wafa Sultan, a psychologist from LA, here speaks with Dr. Ahmad Bin Muhammad, an Algerian professor -- this was aired on Al-Jazeera on July 26, 2005. Sultan starts out by asking him why Muslim men become suicide bombers. She speaks plainly about the role of Islam:

Wafa Sultan: [...]In our countries, religion is the sole source of education, and is the only spring from which that terrorist drank until his thirst was quenched. He was not born a terrorist, and did not become a terrorist overnight. Islamic teachings played a role in weaving his ideological fabric, thread by thread, and did not allow other sources – I am referring to scientific sources – to play a role. It was these teachings that distorted this terrorist and killed his humanity. It was not (the terrorist) who distorted the religious teachings and misunderstood them, as some ignorant people claim.

When you recite to a child still in his early years the verse: "They will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off," regardless of this verse's interpretation, and regardless of the reasons it conveyed or its time – you have made the first step towards creating a great terrorist...

Go here (or look in JW archives) for the rest. Every word deserves to be read:whttp://www.annaqed.com/english/under/islam_is_the_source_of_terror.htmlas

Posted by: Daisytoo at March 3, 2006 10:53 AM

thank you daisytoo for those interesting informations.

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 3, 2006 2:37 PM

To read about what is happening in France, here is a new blog in English:

http://hexagonews.blogspot.com/

Americans, get informed about what is happening in the most Muslim-populated country in Europe = France. It might help you avoid the same in the US.

God bless you all.

Posted by: joiesauvage at March 3, 2006 6:45 PM

disillusioned_german

I like your idea about putting the cartoon on a soccer ball but would go further...

How about putting the worst verses from the Quran on the ball. That could inspire us infidel players to kick even harder.

Posted by: Provoslavni at March 4, 2006 8:52 AM

joiesauvage,

And thank you for the link .. The truth shall, indeed, set us free.

Posted by: Daisytoo at March 5, 2006 12:33 PM