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The Muslims interviewed said embarrassing things. Now they are blaming the interviewer. "TV documentary angers Muslims," from The Prague Post, with thanks to all who sent this in:
A Czech Television (TV) documentary is threatening to raise tensions within the country's Muslim population to a level not seen here during weeks of recent global unrest over the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad.Ambassadors to the Czech Republic from Arab nations and members of the Czech Muslim community say they are outraged by a documentary aired on TV last fall that used hidden camera footage of conversations in a Prague mosque and spliced it — they say unfairly — with images of terrorism.
"The reaction is usually immediate, while in this case it took a month for any reaction to appear and two months for it to grow," says....the documentary's producer. "It was the same with the Muhammad cartoons."...
Members of the Muslim community first filed a complaint with the Czech Radio and Television Broadcasting Council (RRTV) that month, claiming the program is biased, provokes fear and manipulates footage to promote false stereotypes.
"It was made in a confrontational style," says [the]...head of the Islamic Center in Prague. "We see it as a one-sided documentary, which evokes a distorted look at Islam in the eyes of the Czech public."...
The footage in I, Muslim shows a reporter pretending to be someone interested in converting to Islam. He conducts several conversations with members of the mosque...about Islam, Europe, terrorism and the role of women.
...says he stands behind his choice to use the hidden camera footage.
"I wanted to get real opinions of the local Muslim community on the issue — find out what the differences are between Czech and foreign Islam," he says.
One Muslim in the documentary compares Islamic terrorists to Jan Palach, the Czech student who committed suicide by setting himself on fire in protest of the 1968 Soviet-led invasion of Czechoslovakia.
Another says Islamic law should be implemented in the Czech Republic, including the death penalty for adultery...
"I have to say with 100 percent certainty that by using hidden camera I have learned things that I would never have learned otherwise," he says. "The result was alarming, and if not for the hidden camera, I would have never had any of this footage."
Posted by Robert at March 5, 2006 12:50 AM
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Very interesting. It reminds me of a documentary program about Hisb-ut-Tahrir that Danish TV made a while ago.
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at March 5, 2006 3:15 AM
Brave man, very brave. He stgepped right into the belly of the beast.
Posted by: Lisa at March 5, 2006 3:25 AM
Are tthere are any legitimate issues concerning privacy? But I would only think them relevant if the footage were to be used in court. I have a bot of a queasy feeling about "a reporter pretending to be someone interested in converting to Islam." Though I ask myself whether it would matter if the reporter had been totally sincere. I guess you'd have to listen to the exact conversation to see if was fair or not.
But the overall the accusations that the documentary were "confrontational" and "one-sided" are irrelevant even if true.
Posted by: Raw Data at March 5, 2006 3:30 AM
Privacy is a non-issue. Privacy requires that the recipient of the information be explicitly bound by agreement to the disclosure to maintain divulged information confidential. Absent an explicit agreement any information divulged by the discloser, even if to a single recipient not bound to a duty of confidentiality, becomes public domain information and can never again be made "undisclosed." The duty to ensure confidentiality is always a burden of the dislcoser.
Posted by: Lisa at March 5, 2006 3:39 AM
Shouldn't reasonable, moderate, friends-of-the-West Muslims, be more concerned that there are actually Muslims in European communities advocating the imposition of Sharia law and endorsing terrorism?
Shouldn't this stir Muslims to action to root these people out or take measures to marginalize these people in Muslim communities?
And we expect just such an effort any day now. Yes we do, and that is precisely why documentaries like this, which leave such a false impression, should be suppressed, destroyed, and their producers threatened with law suits or worse.
Yes, indeed, we do not want to leave a false impression, do we?
Posted by: JTF at March 5, 2006 3:44 AM
We need to start paying Christian Arabs and Hindu Indians to do this type of work. Teach them the basics of Islam and send then into the mosques with hidden cameras and microphones.
Posted by: 1630r at March 5, 2006 4:26 AM
At least we know one thing. Unlike us in dhimmified PC-inebriated Western Europe, the Czechs haven't been consumed by political correctness. They've only had freedom for 15 years, and they're in no mood to give it up any time soon. It is obvious that at least consolation, if not salvation is coming from Eastern Europe, which gave us Jan Sobieski, and now some of our best allies in the fight against the ravages of Islam.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at March 5, 2006 4:57 AM
If you go to the 'Prague Post' and read further,
"The reaction: The Council of Arabic Ambassadors condemns the program, calling it a deliberate attempt to distort the truth"
The idea that the Arab Council could be interested - raises a few questions!!
Posted by: Pass It On at March 5, 2006 5:52 AM
1630r,
"We need to start paying Christian Arabs and Hindu Indians to do this type of work. Teach them the basics of Islam and send then into the mosques with hidden cameras and microphones."
I have been saying the same for years, agents posing as converts would be also good. After a while Muslim radicals would start distrusting converts and stop recruiting them.
Does anyone know the size of the Muslim community in the Czech Republic?
Posted by: spencerd at March 5, 2006 6:28 AM
"............. To go where Alan Funt has never gone before!"
Posted by: Shy Guy at March 5, 2006 7:08 AM
To spencerd:
The size of muslim community here is estimated between 15 000 - 30 000 followers of the Prophet of Doom.
It makes 0,5% of the whole population :)
Posted by: PragueDude at March 5, 2006 7:31 AM
Oh, it's so unfair to hold Muslims to any kind of western standard isn't it? I'm getting all weepy just thinking about how shamefully unfair it is to expect people to be consistent in public and private.
In the immortal words of Abraham Lincoln, "Lady, if I had two faces, do you think I'd be using this one?"
Posted by: Rebecca JW at March 5, 2006 7:58 AM
All the instruments (hidden cameras, tape-recorders) should be used by those who have been assigned the task of infiltrating mosques. In France, I suspect that good use is made of Berbers. In this country, who knows what is being done, or not being done, given the insistence of Bush that it is only a handful who would "pervert" a "noble religion," and his deep respect for anything called a "religion." Who decides, by the way, what is a "religion" and what a "cult"? What identifying characteristics for each have been agreed-upon? Would total mind control, constant emphasis on the group, the collective, and severe physical punishment, even death, and not merely social ostracism, for any attempts to leave the group -- would these be among the features that might help to define a "cult" rather than a "religion"?
And even if we were to call a particular belief-system a "religion" does that mean that every characteristic of that "religion" is entitled to the protection of the First Amendment? Ritual sacrifice is not. What about teaching people the contents of Sura 9.29? Would that be banned, or is that protected as "religious speech"?
Posted by: Hugh at March 5, 2006 8:11 AM
From the full article in The Prague Post:
"I consider it a scandal that it has been produced and broadcast by public television," Čaněk [head of a multi]cultural center] says. "It fits in the general frame of fear of Islam and Muslims coming to us from other parts of Europe. People are afraid without knowing what exactly they fear."
Ovečka [the maker of the film] says that any xenophobia the documentary created was not the result of anything he did.
"It's like this: During official shooting they were peaceful, nice," he says. "Hidden camera footage showed something else — aversion, hatred toward Europe, the entire world, and a mild attitude toward terrorism."
at March 5, 2006 8:15 AM
might be good for this to become the basis for another world-wide bruhaha; but that's unlikely. all but the most tone-deaf of the hidden jihadis will realize that there is nothing to gain by displaying their wares to a larger audience.
at March 5, 2006 8:43 AM
The entire West needs to do a lot more hidden camera and hidden microphone work, especially in our prisons.
Posted by: moderationist at March 5, 2006 8:51 AM
"Oh, it's so unfair to hold Muslims to any kind of western standard isn't it?"
-Rebecca
President Bush said that Middle Eastern "democracies" won't look like "our" own. By that I guess he meant certain pesky human rights (a handful of which he himself might not like) won't have to be had by one and all. Yay!
Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at March 5, 2006 8:54 AM
So, a few weeks ago I wanted to see what the uproar was about with these cartoons .
So I did a google search for @#$% Islam and gratefully found JW,DW and front page mag.
I just wanted to thank robert,hugh and all your associates for opening my eyes to the "real issues"
that confront the western(civilized)world.
I am an american Italian and love my adopted country
I came here 33 years ago and quickly assimilated to the ways of this great country and will do what is
necessary to protect it Period, I do not want to be a dhimmi .
Always grateful for the US constitution and the freedom It guarantees, My heroes are, washington,jefferson,franklin,lincoln, and of course
ronald reagan.
As always........Keep your head down (or it may get chopped off)...........Be safe my friends
at March 5, 2006 8:56 AM
By the way, I will send the fantastic link to this article out to many people I know. Slowly, but surely, incredibly powerful articles like this one are altering perception of the ROP. This article resonates especially nicely with Europeans.
Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at March 5, 2006 8:59 AM
"...The Council of Arabic Ambassadors condemns the program, calling it a deliberate attempt to distort the truth..."
From above. LOL!!
'Truth' in the ME is an unknown quantity.
Mohammedans are only concerned with 'the image of Islam' (not that much of this cult can be salvaged) and with finding suckers/'reverts' for the faith of head-choppers...
at March 5, 2006 9:42 AM
al-Taqiyya exposed again.
Posted by: Celsius at March 5, 2006 10:29 AM
I recently obtained from Amazon the book "Reliance of the Traveller", "a classic manual of Islamic sacred law", by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller. This book is fascinating in a way that the Quran and Hadith cannot be, because it is essentially an ethical manual. Any issue can be looked up in its index. I did an index search for something relevant to this case. Here is the result:
I am paraphrasing here, but please tell me if this kind of information is interesting to you.
This film maker committed crime of "talebearing" (namima). I gather this means a "he said, she said" type of situation, which could be applied this this film. Imam Abu Hamid Ghazali defines it as revealing anything whose disclosure is resented. A person should not speak of anything other than that which benefits a Muslim. Anyone approached with such a story must to six things:
1) Disbelieve it, for talebearers are corrupt
2) Tell the talebearer to stop, admonish him, and condemn the shamefulness of what he has done
3) Hate him for the sake of Allah
4) Not think badly of the person whom the words are supposedly from
5) Not let what has been said prompt him to spy or investigate whether it is true
6) Not to "pass along" the talebearing to others by relating the story
So according to this manual of Islamic law, this film maker should not be killed, just hated. From the Islamic perspective viewers of this film are not to believe what they see, and are not to recommend other watch it, or talk about it. Understanding this, I am not at all surprised that the people depicted in this film are shocked, shocked that they are victims of talebearing, and particularly damaging kind as it can be related to millions through the modern media.
Immediately preceeding this section is one on slander. The Islamic definition of slander is quite different from the western. In this manual of Islamic law, slander is defined as "to mention anyhing concerning a person that we would dislike, whether about his body, religion, everyday life, self, disposition, property, son, father, wife, servant, turban, garment, gait, movements, smiling, dissoluteness, frowning, cheerfulness, or anything else connected to him".
It would appear then that saying anything critical about anyone is wrong, even if it is true. Such a gulf there is between what we know as morality and ethics, and that of Islamic law. By knowing and understanding the differences we can anticipate what the reactions of the Muslim public and leaders will be, to any given situation.
Quijybo
Posted by: Quijybo at March 5, 2006 11:00 AM
I am reminded of this account ("Jihad comes to small town, USA") by Laura Mansfield of what she heard in a mosque when the speakers didn't know she spoke Arabic:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43868
Posted by: Caroline at March 5, 2006 11:10 AM
These surreptitious methods of recording candid actions and expressions from Muslims are very effective. We need more of this to show the public.
Quijybo,
Thanks for that. The basic principle seems to be 'don't criticize Muslims or Islam.' 'Whatever works toward the goal of making Islam supreme is justified.'
Posted by: Archimedes at March 5, 2006 11:15 AM
What are Czech Muslims afraid of, that the hidden camera footage will show that "...the differences are between Czech and foreign Islam" (i.e., militant Islam/terrorism) are nonexistant?
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at March 5, 2006 11:19 AM
Opponents of the documentary say, “the use of a hidden camera makes it seem as though such discussions in mosques are secretive, when in fact anyone can film inside a mosque with permission.”
However, Ovečka states"
"It's like this: During official shooting they were peaceful, nice," he says. "Hidden camera footage showed something else — aversion, hatred toward Europe, the entire world, and a mild attitude toward terrorism."
And according to Marek Čaněk, a project coordinator with the Prague Multicultural Center, “People are afraid without knowing what exactly they fear."
Well, now they know.
at March 5, 2006 11:22 AM
"Now they are blaming the interviewer." --Robert
This is a common theme among many Muslims and those non-Muslims who have gone overboard on PC. Blame the messenger. In some cases when I've pointed out the match between what jihadists are doing today and the Islamic doctrines, I've been accused of making matters worse, to reinforcing/justifying the jihadists' activities, etc. This is simply evasion, desperation, anything to deflect attention away from the facts. Everyone does it, but Muslim spokesmen and imams have mastered the art, and non-critical journalists fail to call them on it.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 5, 2006 11:22 AM
I suppose this is one documentary that will not be screened at Cannes? However, if it does manage to defy Hollywood's sensitive logic and make it there .. I just can't see Michael the Moor giving Ovecka's film a big 2 thumbs up, can you?
Meanwhile, any suggestions on how to obtain a copy? I'd sure like to see it (subtitles please:) Anyone else?
Posted by: Daisytoo at March 5, 2006 12:15 PM
It is true that the peoples of Central/Eastern Europe aren't as infected by our PC mania. On the other hand, they also seem to have low birth rates and therefore are at risk of being submerged by a tide of un-assimilated Islamic immigration in the next generation.
One hopes that Pope Benedict may inspire the start of the reversal of this trend.
at March 5, 2006 12:38 PM
Meanwhile, any suggestions on how to obtain a copy? I'd sure like to see it (subtitles please:) Anyone else?
Yes, so would I.
Speaking of languages, I'd be curious to know whether Robert's Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam has been translated into any other languages - because if it hasn't been, it urgently needs to be.
Posted by: Yojimbo at March 5, 2006 12:43 PM
No real surprise here. Several years ago the CBC broadcast the documentary "Inside Al Qaeda" made by an Algerian reporter. The same thing, support for terror funded by petty crime when the official camera was off (and the hidden video cam was running) and making nice sounds for the infidel folks officially.
http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunday/feature_270403.html
Posted by: johnb at March 5, 2006 1:18 PM
How did Muslims get to the Czech Republic anyway?
I don't remeber stories of tens of thousands of immigrant Czechs ending up in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
What is the deal with all of the Muslims in the West?
They essentially hate everything about it.
Except its freedom to destroy it.
Who needs hidden microphones?
Just open the Koran.
Sura 9:14.
Posted by: profitsbeard at March 5, 2006 3:20 PM
What else offends mohammedans?
The list keeps growing:
at March 5, 2006 3:23 PM
I've coined another Islamo-Phrase™: mosqued intentions.
Posted by: Shy Guy at March 5, 2006 3:53 PM
Where can I get a copy of this program?
Posted by: km at March 5, 2006 3:57 PM
Daisytoo and Yojimbo, I join in your request to obtain/view a copy of this ČTV documentary (with english subtitles).
It would be great to have an online site dedicated to offering ON DEMAND streaming video like this ČTV documentary, along with Ayaan Hirsi Ali's "Submission" . . .or . . .Islam: What the West Needs to Know - in a format similar to Frontline or MEMRI TV. Utilize paypal when necessary for covering costs or for longer running features.
The internet would be fabulous for disseminating incredibly revealing video through links.
Posted by: justamomof4 at March 5, 2006 4:12 PM
Steve Emerson's 'Investigative Project' has produced a wealth of clandestinely-gathered information on the goings-on in the mosques and Islamic centers of America. He uses the services of mainly Muslim apostates and Christian Arabs, who - at great personal risk - attend and tape these sermons and speeches and then translate them afterwards.
Emerson allows the FBI unfettered access to the volumes of tape that he's accumulated. But the question asked by a poster above remains: Is the FBI doing this on their own and if not, why?
Posted by: Cornelius at March 5, 2006 5:36 PM
Are these Mohammedans daring to censor Czechs? This is not (alleged) Koran desecration nor Muhammad cartoons. Is criticism of Muslim terrorism also to be forbidden now?
at March 5, 2006 5:44 PM
No! No! Usama,
That's not what I meant when I said, "Blow the doll up!"
Posted by: PRCS at March 5, 2006 6:04 PM
Quijybo - that's a fascinating insight. Looks like we need to defend our definitions of slander and libel along with so many other things.
Surely one logical response to the upset would have been to say 'well, come and secretely tape in churches - we have nothing to hide!'
Posted by: Lilith at March 5, 2006 6:08 PM
dennisw-
In their split-mentality the answer would be:
YES- the Czechs need to be censored-
and:
NO- it is not "terrorism" when a Muslim does it.
It is then self-defense. Or defense of the Umma.
But needs to be hidden, lest the West get the wrong idea.
The right idea is:
Keep surrendering, infidel dogs!
Get the idea?
Posted by: profitsbeard at March 5, 2006 6:10 PM
About the muslims in the West who want to undermine the freedoms...The point on this issue is that it's easier to knock someone else's sand castle down than to take the time to build your own.
Posted by: parainvesta at March 5, 2006 7:15 PM
dhimmi british cops are at it again:
this gets police attention:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hereford/worcs/4770800.stm
but islamists calling for the slaying of infidels are let off scott free:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/03/golly.html
at March 5, 2006 7:16 PM
archduke those toys look almost exactly to Rascist American Caricatures against Black People that where used by rascists throughout the Jim Crow Era in order to encourage the views of the Happy but Inferior Black Man.
Those Charicatures can be considered very offensive by reasonable people.
I am against banning them though because people have freedom of speech, but as a Greek I can understand why a person of African Decent would be offended by those, afterall if the Turkish and broader Ottoman Depictions of Greeks got put on display in London I would be offended.
Posted by: NicephorusPhocas at March 6, 2006 12:28 AM
prophet's beard
All true. Every day the Muhammadans look for ways to bully the softies in the West. Mo' 'Toons and lies about desecrated Korans are merely convenient springboards.
REALLY they don't want any criticism of their false prophet and his concocted Allah. They don't want Muhammad depicted in cartoons as a terrorist with a turban bomb even though it's obvious to neutral parties that he was a terrorist
Posted by: dennisw at March 6, 2006 1:16 AM
Ah, if only we could see an English-subtitled version of this film!
Posted by: eduardo odraude at March 6, 2006 3:41 AM
"It was made in a confrontational style," says [the]...head of the Islamic Center in Prague. "We see it as a one-sided documentary, which evokes a distorted look at Islam in the eyes of the Czech public."...
You know the old saying "He can dish out it, but he can't take it." I never cease to be amused by the utter hypocrisy of most Muslim leaders and the greater section of the Islamic world in general. What segment of the world is more confrontational than Islam? What place is more one-sided than Mecca?
To quote another oldie but a goodie: "Give me a break!"
Posted by: Foehammer at March 6, 2006 8:09 AM
MarcH: the Czechs are one of the most anti-Catholic peoples in the world. Hatred of the Church is passed down in Czech genes ever since the days of Jan Hus. It greatly eased the task of the Communists in the thirties and forties, and even after the fall of Communism it remains alive in a uniquely high percentage of atheists - the Czech Republic is the only State in Europe, not excluding even Scandinavia, where atheists are a majority of the population - and in bizarre manifestations such as the demand that the cathedral of Prague should belong to the State rather than to the Catholic Church. (What the State would do with a cult site does not seem to bother Czech heads, but then most of them have never in their lives been inside a place of worship and have no idea what it is about.) Plus, the fact that the last Pope was a Pole and the present one is a German - neither of them nations Czechs like - will not have endeared them to them. I suspect that if the idea ever spread that the Church would like Europeans to have more children, the Czechs would try hard to have less out of spite.
Posted by: Paolo at March 6, 2006 3:58 PM
"I consider it a scandal that it has been produced and broadcast by public television," Čaněk [head of a multi]cultural center] says. "It fits in the general frame of fear of Islam and Muslims coming to us from other parts of Europe. People are afraid without knowing what exactly they fear."
Still the same distorted logics. Mr Canek thinks the program is guilty because it showed something scaring. But at the same time, he says there is nothing to be scared of.
Same logics when in France people say "they should not talk about the delinquants because it makes everybody scared "...
Oye, clever Lords of Pure Logics ! We are scared BECAUSE there is a danger. It is not because one talks about the danger that we are scared !
What is wrong with those people ? They seem to contaminate all Europe. Does Mister Canek have a Muslim girl friend ? Does he need to steal cash from the "multicultural center" to buy the Porsche he dreams about ? Those would be consistent reasons !
But I am afraid he is just f... unable to reason correctly.
Posted by: joiesauvage at March 6, 2006 4:18 PM
Caroline.... I am going to learn Arabic, as soon as I have more time, that is to say in less than 6 months.
Just enough to understand what people say. In France, it is going to become more and more useful; and to read Arabic as well, in order to understand what they say on their "blogs" because there is a lot of Arabic stuff bewteen French stuff.
One guy told me something in Arabic, recently, I smiled and said "what ?" but his friend looked embarrassed and translated something, but I knew it was not the correct translation. I think the guy had just insulted me in a language he knew I probably did not understand, and his friend was embarrassed.
at March 6, 2006 4:31 PM
Muslim community in the Czech republic?!
What the hell? Ten years ago there only were a
few hundred Arab students in that country.
How did they multiply so fast?
at March 6, 2006 4:52 PM
Steven Emerson, some years ago, produced "Jihad in America". We need more current productions like that, exposing what is still going on in mosques after 9/11. The main stream media needs to get on to this too, or be shamed by independent producers into covering the story.
Posted by: elcordobes at March 6, 2006 5:52 PM
Archduke lol !!!!
Thanks to your link about the "racist gollies", I have had a good laugh. I especially like the comments the posters make... A poster asks "Surely in defence of the poor shopkeeper it should be said that the gollies on display are 'gay gollies'. Then there can be no problem ? "
In answer, another poster quotes Mark Steyn:
"Sir Iqbal, head of the Muslim Council of Britain, was on the BBC the other day and expressed the view that homosexuality was "immoral," "not acceptable," "spreads disease" and "damaged the very foundations of society." A gay group complained and Sir Iqbal was investigated by Scotland Yard's "community safety unit" which deals with "hate crimes" and "homophobia."
Independently but simultaneously, the magazine of GALHA (the Gay And Lesbian Humanist Association) called Islam a "barmy doctrine" growing "like a canker" and deeply "homophobic." In return, the London Race Hate Crime Forum asked Scotland Yard to investigate GALHA for "Islamophobia."
"Got that? If a Muslim says that Islam is opposed to homosexuality, he can be investigated for homophobia; but if a gay says that Islam is opposed to homosexuality, he can be investigated for Islamophobia. As someone who's routinely called Islamophobic and homophobic every day of the week, I feel a bit like the former U.S. secretary of state James Baker did about the Balkan civil war: I don't have a dog in this fight. Actually, it would be truer to say I have both dogs in this fight. "Hate crimes" are thought crimes, a concept more pernicious and harmful than whatever offence is caused by any particular statement. So I'm in favour of everybody suing everybody else over every imaginable phobia until the whole system collapses".
Don't forget that in France, we now have a "racist soup" (a soup which is racist because there is pork into it). And don't try to defend the soup, as you will be called a nazi by the scandalised journalists !
Ah ah ! As I always say on here, they make us laugh so much we should almost thank them for the good mood they give us, daily ! (and for free)
Posted by: joiesauvage at March 6, 2006 6:40 PM
"Caroline.... I am going to learn Arabic, as soon as I have more time, that is to say in less than 6 months."
Very cool. Come to think of it, "joiesauvage" sounds every bit as exotic as "Mata Hari". :-)
Posted by: Caroline at March 6, 2006 6:46 PM
Muslim community in the Czech republic?!
What the hell? Ten years ago there only were a
few hundred Arab students in that country.
How did they multiply so fast?
Posted by: george_rem at March 6, 2006 04:52 PM
george:
You must be a neophyte around here. First of all, the "community leaders" will inflate the number of people they claim to speak for substantially. Secondly, they are probably flocking into any European country that will have them courtesy of petroleum largesse, as students or as religious leaders. Thirdly, they are aggressive proselytizers. If the Czechs are as hostile to Catholocism as Paolo states, there'd be a quite the predisposition toward converting in some quarters.
Funny, though, that Czech xenophobia as it applies to the gypsy community wouldn't also be a constraint against other "aliens".
Posted by: waterdragon52 at March 7, 2006 8:36 AM
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