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Islamic tolerance alert from Sandro Magister in Chiesa (thanks to Tom Syseskey): "In the northern part of the island, occupied by Turkey, the churches have become stables or mosques...."
ROMA, March 9 2006 – The island of Cyprus was the first destination of the “special mission” that the Holy Spirit entrusted to Paul and Barnabas, according to what is written in the Acts of the Apostles, in chapter 13.On the island they found a Roman governor, Sergius Paulus, “an intelligent man who wanted to hear the word of God and believed, deeply shaken by the teaching of the Lord.”
But if Paul and Barnabas were to return to Cyprus today, to the northern part of the island, they would find not the Romans as governors, but the Turks.
And instead of a Christianity being born, they would find a dying Christianity, with the churches and monasteries in ruin, or else transformed into stables, hotels, and mosques.
This is documented in a startling report from Luigi Geninazzi, who was sent to Cyprus by “Avvenire,” the newspaper of the Italian bishops’ conference.
Cyprus became part of the European Union on May 1, 2004. But this was true only for the southern part of the island, which is Greek and Christian.
The northern part was occupied by Turkey in 1974, with 40,000 soldiers. The Turkish occupation caused death, destruction, and a forced relocation of populations. About 200,000 Greek Cypriots of the Christian Orthodox faith who lived in the north of the island fled to the south. And likewise, the Turkish Cypriots of the south, Muslims, moved to the north.
In 1983 Turkey consolidated the occupation by creating a Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which is internationally recognized only by the government of Ankara: 180,000 persons live there, 100,000 of whom are colonists originally from Anatolia.
This is a recurring phenomenon of Islamic history, albeit quite little noted: population transfers for purposes of colonization. In Caesarea last fall I visited the Bosnian mosque, built for Muslims forcibly resettled there by the Ottoman Turks. There are innumerable such examples.
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Posted by Robert at March 10, 2006 8:04 AM
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Of course, nobody in the MSM will call northern Cyprus an "Occupied Territory," nor will they call this Islamic Imperialism. No, it's much easier to complain about Israel. And I'm sure the relocated Greeks on Cyprus don't have their own observer at the UN, either.
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at March 10, 2006 8:40 AM
Large proportions of the Turkish army, and especially the lower ranks of soldiers opposing the Turkish government and were sent to Cyprus to die anyway so that the Turkish government gets rid of them the easy way.
Evidently, these soldiers were administered with drugs such as hashish to get them high in in many instances they were marching in front of the Greek positions and towards their death fully equipped and loaded with ammo but with their rifles hanging over their shoulders!
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/03/politically-incorrect-guide-take.html
at March 10, 2006 9:40 AM
That was my first impression too. That Northern Cyprus is an occupied territory. Occupied by Muhammadan immigrants sent from Turkey. No doubt given incentives to move there. Turkey got a lot more than they deserved out of the Cyprus settlements (truces?)
I won't be happy until I see Muhammadans losing territory. All examples I can think of has them gaining land, killing, driving out Christians & other non-Muslims in the last century. There is one exception. Israel.
Muslims are driving out Europeans. Many Dutch and others want to get the hell out and are moving to the USA, Canada, Australia. They don't move just because of Islam but it's often a factor. The climate of the Muslimizing Europe is not hospitable to peaceable cultured pacifistic Europeans
at March 10, 2006 9:41 AM
Large proportions of the Turkish army, and especially the lower ranks of soldiers opposing the Turkish government and were sent to Cyprus to die anyway so that the Turkish government gets rid of them the easy way.
Remember when we pounded and softened up Saddam's army prior to Desert Storm. I'll bet those buried tanks and other prime targets has personnel that were mostly Shi'ite and Kurds. Saddam's favorites were held back and the Republican Guards were overwhelmingly loyal Sunnis. http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-09%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=Republican+Guards++loyal+Sunnis&btnG=Search
Posted by: dennisw at March 10, 2006 9:53 AM
What do you expect from a group who constantly behave like a subspecies? Poke your tongue at a monkey and you get the same irrational anger response.
While they behave like a group one step down the evolutionary ladder they should be treated as such and it is about time that this happened. Not very PC but the avalanching mood of many now who are just about satiated with their criminality that they call religion.
at March 10, 2006 9:57 AM
Unless you read to the bottom of the article, you don't get to read the most telling bit:
"I insist: what do you have to say about the churches that, still today, are being turned into mosques? The Turkish Cypriot functionary spreads his arms wide: “It is an Ottoman custom...”"
Duh. Uh. Yeh. I'd say so. Like check out the Hagia Sophia. Uh. Duh.
Can so many Europeans be as stupid as they appear to be? How can you ignore evidence like this?
at March 10, 2006 10:17 AM
Here is a little history about what happened to Christians in Cyprus during the Ottoman Empire. Read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_under_the_Ottoman_Empire
at March 10, 2006 10:28 AM
"The northern part was occupied by Turkey in 1974, with 40,000 soldiers..."
-- from the article above
A special and dishonorable mention should be given to that gravelly-voiced (his accent has deepened over time, certainly since the days when he was running a "Future Leaders of the World" program at Harvard Summer School, designed to widen the contacts, and further the interests, of the cause which has always stood highest in the estimation of Henry Kissinger -- which is to say, Henry Kissinger) tinpot Metternich or Bismarck, who in Washington was largely responsible for failing to prevent that move. Of course Turkey was forever our friend. Turkey was a member of NATO. Turkey was true-blue and permanently secular.
Of course, in Cyprus, leading the Greeks, were some admittedly louche characters, including the Arab-favoring Makarios of yore, on the Greek side. But even of the Greek side made stupid mistakes, just as successive Greek governments have done so in their philo-Arab policies, designed crudely to offset the perceived enemy Turkey (but now Greece has dropped its opposition to Turkish admission to the E.U., because it puts commerce with Turkey -- i.e. transient economic gain -- above civilizational coherence and stability).
Do not forget Henry Kissinger. Now there's someone who, Grand Strategist that he was taken to be by the kind of people who consider it a coup to have him at a dinner party, to rub shoulders with him at Davos, or to listen to him at some meeting of Bear, Stearns exectuives who have put him, for grotesequely-inflated sums, on the payroll, to supplement whatever "advice" (i.e. contacts and influence) he peddles to foreign governments.
Kissinger Associates. Kissinger.
The full horror of it.
Posted by: Hugh at March 10, 2006 11:59 AM
Ummm, why should anyone get upset about Turkish occupation of Cyprus without raising the issue of Turkish occupation of Thrace and Anatolia?
Posted by: Chatillon at March 10, 2006 12:56 PM
I suppose Nicos Samson was as louche as any with his adolescence spent cruising 'murder mile' in Nicosia to shoot British soldiers in the back. It was he that precipitated a disastrous attempt to unite Cyprus with Greece by getting rid of the equally shifty 'Black Mak' Makarios who the very same Brits had to spirit away in a helicopter.The Greeks went for the Turks as is the custom who departed en masse for their northern sanctuary via the ever helpful Brits until over the hill came riding the Ottomans and the rest is history. In the villages and places like Limassol in the south the mosques are left undisturbed as a reminder of the days when Cypriots both Greek and Turkish shared the same villages free from the ravages of high politics.
at March 10, 2006 12:59 PM
Why did Turkey invade? Did they have any sort of mandate from any authority?
Is this occupation recognised internationally as illegal? I'm presuming it is not black and white or else the EU would be up in arms about it.
Was there any kind of war between the 2 sides? It all seems a bit odd for an invasion (if that's what it was), with so little condemnation unless there are other reasons.
Posted by: Celsius at March 10, 2006 1:00 PM
To Celsius, the Turks have never needed a mandate from anyone but their religion and miltitaristic ways to occupy a foreign country.
The Turks at that time were and still are a very close ally of the U.S. Don't forget that this was the hight of the cold war with Soviet Union and Turkey was a very key strategic location. Turkey operated with carte blanche authority over its neighbours as she felt fit to do.
The Turkish gov't to this day continues to make noise that nearly half of the Aegean belongs to Turkey. I find that curious as the Turks are a long way away from their native Mongolia and are actually occupying territory that belongs to many other people at this time. This includes the occupied city of Constantinople (Istanbul and many cities on the Aegean coast Smyrna etc.) By the way I am aware that only 4% of Turks are genetically Turks the rest are all assimilated peoples.
If these lands were somehow returned to their rightfull owners you of course would witness the same level of violence that is seen in Israel today. We know injustices in the Muslim world only work in one direction.
If you would like to see a contrast to how the past is preserved elsewhere, go visit Greece, and see how their Cathederals violated with minarets in places like Thessaloniki are preserved instead of destroyed. The
Greeks who have had been on the business end of Turkish violations for Centuries if not a Millenium.
Don't make the mistake to believe the Turkish state is some kind of high thinking peacefull state, it is and always has been a militaristic entity that can't help be what it is because of the culture that drives it.
On your question on why does no one seem to care in the EU. Great question, who knows it is a mystery, but I believe the EU is quite simply intimidated by having to open dialouge with any Islamic state on such a hot button topic. Furthermore it is funny how Great Britain was so high on the Koffi Annan Cyprus plan. That plan stated the English would own the rights to the ports, and that the Greek Cypriots would be reimbursed for their losses by their own Gov't. What kind of plan is that? This arrangement may have something to do with the English involvement and traditional alliance the Brits had with Turkey all the way back to the Crimean War against Russia.
Niv
Posted by: niv at March 10, 2006 1:43 PM
"the equally shifty 'Black Mak' Makarios..."
-- from a posting above
Oriana Fallaci published a revealing interview with Makarios.
Posted by: Hugh at March 10, 2006 2:48 PM
Is this occupation recognised internationally as illegal? I'm presuming it is not black and white or else the EU would be up in arms about it.
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Posted by: Celsius at March 10, 2006 01:00 PM
C'mon Celsius. Unless you want to include the US-led invasion of Iraq, the only "occupation" that gets described as "illegal" is incorrectly described as such.
As the Protest Warriors like to mock the "Stoppers"... ...from Iraq to Palestine*, end the Occupation. * does not include Tibet, Lebanon, Hongkong, or any other country under Communist or Islamic subjegation. They need to stop bitching.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at March 10, 2006 3:05 PM
Yes there is a pattern, It will happen world wide if our leaders dont wake up..and here is some more..I have posted this before..
What all Arab nations have done to their Jewish population (who greatly contributed to making their Arab nations great)? The Arabs and Muslims stole everything the Jews had, and then either kicked them out or murdered them. Statistics of Jews in Arab Countries: Shocking - These stats were taken from "Myths and Facts" - a great book by Mitchell B. Bard. You can go to the internet link for this book at: http://standwithus.com/links.asp
First number is from the year 1948, the second number is taken from the year 2000:
Algeria 140,000,............Less than 100
Egypt 75000,...... .................. 200
Iran 100,000,............12,000 to 40,000
Iraq 150,000,.........................100
Lebanon 20,000,...................... 100
Libya 38,000,.......................... 0
Morocco 265,000,....................5,800
Syria 30,000,............ ............200
Tunisia 105,000,....................1,500
Yemen 55,000,.......... ..............200
See a pattern???? and what do Muslims think of pagans/infidel, are we in for any better,,,,,hmmmm
Even though they wont become citizens they insist on Sharia law in Canada, where will it stop..
Gaye From Australia
at March 10, 2006 5:18 PM
And Cyprus, along with Serbia, and that "Two State" soft shoe shuffle of "Palestinian" territories, are only some of the more recent little bones we have tossed towards the rabid Muslim hound to appease his revenous hunger... to our eternal shame if it's allowed to continue!
No more territory for Islam! No more expansionism for Islam! No more Imperialism for Islam.
Out of Kashmir! Out of Cyprus! Out of Judea! Out of anyplace Islam is determined to steal more infidel lands, to terrorize for Islam's gain, to colonize for Islam's glory --
Turning the clock a little further back -- what else have Muslims stolen -- what else should be returned? Nearly every spec of ground they now pollute!
at March 10, 2006 5:20 PM
As a fellow dhimma(Jew), I'm disgusted at the Turks lack of respect for Christian Chruches, some, I'm sure, historic in nature. This should be brought up to stop their admission into the EU along with that old atrocity(who remembers the Armenians?). The Turks murdered over a million to a million an a half Armenians(Despite what Bernard Lewis says). They beheaded many, raped many, shot many. But being the industrious people they are, the Armenians propered in other lands that took them in. I don't personally blame the sons or grandsons of Germans for what was done by Germans to my cousins and ancestors, but where, oh where, is a hint of acceptance for the Turk's killing? Here and there a single, brave poet or author(count them on one hand) mentions something in Turkey and he's jailed or goes to trial. Before any acceptance or consideration for Turkish admission to the EU, I think there should be a full and complete apology to the Armenian people for this genocide. Oh, wait. Maybe this isn't a good idea. It could offend the Muslims. Don't want to offend their sensibilities--not after the horror the West perpetrated with L'affair Cartoon!
Posted by: biorabbi at March 10, 2006 6:12 PM
In the Turkish countryside - I never saw women look so mentally dull - before. They looked like sheep!
Cities such as Istanbul or Ankara are different - where you see women doing more things - like driving a car! But not all Turkish cities are this way.
We in the west are not ready for this. We really aren't!
We are going to have to put the Turkish integration into Europe on the back burner. A cooling off period is definitely needed - 50 years +!
The Problem
Most western people don't understand how backwards these people are - to talk about it is one thing - but to feel or experience it - is quite another.
To Muslims - how the man sees a woman and all the repression felt - is normal.
So to them - they will insist that everything is normal and okay and that there is absolutely no problem. But a good portion of each of these people's minds is in the dark ages and they will fight to keep it there.
Though it must be said, that the Turkish people are good people; they very generous and giving; but they are also dangerously backwards.
I was in Turkish side of Cyprus and the Cypriots there hated the Turks from the mainland. When you entered the country - at least then, they used to allow you to get your passport stamped on a separate piece of paper - so that it would not interfere with your traveling to Greece or anywhere else.
To think there are now more Turks on the Island, than there are Cypriot Turks seems disastrous. The Turks from the mainland were eating nothing, living dozens to a room and working for far less than the Cypriot Turks would.
Welcome to Europe.
Can’t Europe automate – get some robots, and take some of the menial jobs back from China. Work to lower the cost of energy – create a robot army – and concentrate on manufacturing more – with less people.
The Eastern Europeans – who are coming to the UK, seem okay.
But the idea of Europe becoming Islamic is insulting. We have too much in the way of science and technological development, which all would be put at risk - under Islamic laws. And people like the Turks may join together and take it blindly there.
Let the Turks join the Arab League or group of Arab/Islamic nations, such as Egypt and Jordan – then they can argue the finer points of Islam and what a woman should or shouldn’t do – until they are all blue in the face. But leave us out of it – please!
at March 10, 2006 6:29 PM
"A cooling off period is definitely needed - 50 years +! "
-- from a posting above
Five trochees playing off the iambic-pentameter grid of "King Lear":
Never, never, never, never, never.
at March 10, 2006 6:55 PM
This entire issue of Cyprus and Turkey is full of sound, and furry...
(Myself having once seen the actual interior of a genuine Turkish Bath...)
Posted by: jsla at March 10, 2006 7:46 PM
The turks are disrespectful of Christians fear not we have a Christian president with George W. in office. Apparently all the liberals find his mix of Christianity and Politics quite frightening. So I guess he will stand up against the Turks. And how is he going to do it. Apparently the US is talking about ending the embargo against occupied cyprus and starting direct trade. Way to go GW.
I have read different things about the British role. Today the British have been pretty dispicable with Jack Straw doing everything in his power to help the Turks. I read that in 1974 though the British were going to intervene and stop the Turkish invasion but good old Henry Kissinger stopped them. I was wondering If anyone really knows what happened. If that is true then it is really washington behind Jack Straw. So what does Washington have to benefit in the eradication of Christianity?
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at March 10, 2006 8:22 PM
So what does Washington have to benefit in the eradication of Christianity?
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at March 10, 2006 08:22 PM
Well, if you are a conspiracy theorist, the NWO frowns on religion and plans to make secular humanism the official world faith since it does not involve the worship of a deity. Under the NWO, citizens of the world will worship the U.N. because God gets in the way of total mind control. I am truly at a loss as to why almost all Western governments, including the U.S., are bending over backwards to appease and even promote Islam, going so far as to finance projects that are entirely favorable to the promulgation and spread of Islam. This makes no sense to me whatsoever. We have a bunch of atheists who want to eradicate religion altogether, but are promoting the most radical, fanatical, violent religion that ever existed.
I have several theories, one of which is that they really believe Christianity is the root of all evil in the Western world, they're too obtuse to see the diabolical threat of Islam, and they think Islam will destroy Christianity and pave the way for utopia. I don't know what they plan to do when Islam dominates Europe, or how they could consider Islam a rational alternative to Christianity, but I'm grasping at straws. There really aren't any logical answers. Europe has all but abandoned Christianity anyway and is much closer to meeting the requisite criteria for OWG than the U.S. Encouraging the spread of Islam is anthithetical to the ultimate goal of a one world, secular, socialist government headed by the illustrious U.N. On the other hand, if you count the number of muslim states that are members of the U.N., well, use your imagination.
at March 10, 2006 11:53 PM
Susan I do agree there are people that want to make secular humanism the world religion and these people hate christianity so much they cant see favoring Islam is actually harming there cause. I think your right but I am disapointed in Bush going along with this. I thought I he was supposed to be a Christian. I guess he is as stupid as all the liberals say he is.
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at March 11, 2006 12:44 AM
Niv, Waterdragon52 thank you for your replies.
I'm still gobsmacked by how little attention this gets in the Western press. Yet the Left bang on about tiny little Israel which is surrounded on all sides by people that want it destroyed.
I can't remember ever seeing anyone calling for Turkish withdrawal.
Why the hell are we even considering letting them in the EU?
Posted by: Celsius at March 11, 2006 7:30 AM
"...that they really believe Christianity is the root of all evil in the Western world"
Well, I do know an awful lot of liberals and leftists who are loudly contemptuous of Christianity.
Posted by: pst314 at March 11, 2006 10:09 AM
my family where from north part of cyprus after the turks forced them to leave. Last year I went to North Cyprus to see my parents old homes which are now occupied by turks. I went to visit a old monastry of apostle andreas which is a holy site and the turks have not been looking after it properly but its not as if anyone cares evreyone thinks turkey is great and should join the EU like America and britain
Dr D is a liar the british where not helpful they where the backstabbers in cyprus as the british have always been backstabbers to any country they went and occupied during the british empire. the britsh and west stoped stoped greece from helping cyprus and they armed turkey with NATO weapons all the 7000 greeks that where killed where by turks with American weapons and dr D you mention how many greeks the british killed? dr d is abvously one of those english turk lovers who hates greeks
Posted by: MARIA at March 11, 2006 3:03 PM
It seems that ethnic cleansing is wrong, unless the right side does it. When Turkey did it to Cypriot Greeks, the professional humanitarians were not much upset. I met a representative of the American Friends Service Committee in early 1975. He told me that he lived in "Girne" [Kyrenia] on Cyprus. Then he proceeded to defend the Turkish position against the Greek position. Funny, because Quakers [=Friends] are supposed to be against war and violence in principle.
Posted by: Eliyahu at March 12, 2006 6:00 AM
Thank you, Celsius,
"I can't remember anyone calling for a Turkish withdrawal."
at March 12, 2006 6:21 AM
SHOULDN’T TURKEY FACE EAST
The Turkish entry into Europe – may become like the UAE Ports deal in the US – amplified.
Turkey has to be the EU’s Trojan horse and in a way the Arabs are right - the European mind sees things from the colonialist outlook. These ‘poor people’ and our ‘race is a different colour’ to theirs and we ‘owe’ it to them to ‘help’ them – in truth Europe really needs to revise or to completely throw out these thoughts.
On leaving Turkey some years ago, it left me with a very clear distinction of who I was. I knew without a shadow of a doubt - that I was a ‘westerner’. Now this kind of confirmation that is taking place in all over Europe – having had a taste of the darker side of Islam in the protests and watching their culture and way of life threatened – it is defining itself.
How did this Islam or Islamism sneak up on us in Europe; you might ask why we didn’t see these problems coming. And it is here that the difficulty lies; as for the most part, we in the west do not have a reference for the Islamic way of life.
If Europe could just take the city of Istanbul and maybe Ankara, then I would say that we could safely integrate these parts into EU society. These more educated and influential Turks (although there are a lot of poor there) – if they would leave their country at all – might disperse throughout Europe and live in small non-threatening groups and on the whole would contribute positively to society.
It is quite easy for the journalist to get off the plane in Istanbul and go and film the westernized lifestyle on the streets there – but this is not the whole picture of Turkey. I would recommend a visit to Izmir; after you do the Roman ruins of Ephesus by day - take a camera a see that city by night.
What I saw was an ‘other worldly’ spectacle of hundreds and hundreds of men, gathering around tea houses and walking the streets and not a single woman in sight. That is no accident. If you venture a little ways into the Turkish mindset – then you will see that if a woman is out on the streets at night – then she is either a “whore” or a “prostitute”. It is as simple as that.
Western women will not have a context in which to understand this - at all and perhaps more dangerous and even insidious – is that most westerners do not understand how free they really are.
Turkey is a country that spans all the way over to the Middle East – with a lot of people who accept the Arab/Ataturk way of life as normal - living in between.
The Bush government and Tony Blair do not understand this one fully. [It comes under culture shock] Maybe they are not ultimately looking for full integration – we have to consider this – as there is a war going on.
What we are doing though, is categorizing these people within our own western framework - as mostly "poor" rural farmers. But ‘poor’ will in no way describe what we will be facing if we allow Turkey to join the EU. Poland is "poor" or a ‘proper’ poor country. But because of the secular education system, which was already in place, all they need is a free market and they can build an economy.
But the rural poor of Turkey see no reason to educate their women. Because “God” said!
And this rural poor are going to see no reason to educate their women in Europe – either!
Bringing all of Turkey in would be like 'Educating an Arab-Rita'. And this is not our job. We don’t ‘owe’ them anything, like this and we can certainly find other ways to ‘help’ them. Just look at what is happening within the Muslims communities in Europe, Canada and Australia today - It could only be hope over experience - to believe that somehow those coming in from Turkey will act any differently. And we would be foolish not to consider that these new comers might climb the political ladder in Europe and demand change along Islamic lines.
Not too long ago - the Turkish government was trying to introduce a law that would have made adultery illegal – not a new law – but one when previously on their books - was used almost entirely against women [of course!]. They were encouraged to let go of the law’s re-introduction, only through European pressure. But how much pressure is Europe going to be able to put on Turkey and prevent laws like these (of an Islamic nature) from popping up, once Turkey has achieved all it wants from Europe.
How will we reverse this - if the Turkish people decide to install Islamic law/s? And would a western women or person going to a Turkey within the Union be subject to those same laws?
It is becoming apparent that Democracy is a two edged sword. George Bush has already been nicked with the other side of its blade, with the outcomes of the Palestinian and Iranian elections, both free and fair.
Democracy, as a cure all - is perhaps like the utopian idea of Islamic/Shar’ia law is to the Muslim. The Muslims think that if they have Shar’ia law then society will be perfect or become pure – is just as many westerns think if we have democracy, society and eventually the economy, will function better.
What if the Turkish people vote for those Islamic laws, which must be simmering beneath the surface of the secular Turkish mindset – once they have become members of the European Union? And what rights will we have to tell them, which laws they can’t or can not have?
Or what if those Turkish people, who wish for Islamic law now, are allowed to freely migrate into Europe; join the ranks of other European Muslims and act together - through political pressure – to vote to implement Islamic law or Islamic type laws in some areas of Europe. Can we face the fact that they will see things differently?
Democracy makes us strong and wealthy and allows us to be educated to be able to explore new ideas - but it is also a weakness; as in the wrong hands our democracy might be used against us.
Look at the signs on the ground. Everywhere, from Aussie-land, Canada and Europe the Islamic people are pushing for Shar’ia law, to run alongside the normal laws of these countries. Bring 80 million more Muslims into Europe on some ~ political gesture ~ or in return for alliance in the cause de jour and the outcome is predictable. There is going to be more of the same type of pressure to push their cultural beliefs and norms over ours.
There is almost a fatalistic atmosphere amongst our leaders – like a mentality on a crutch. 'Well - we have to bring in the Turkish to the EU – because?? – or we want to show the Arabs that we are not "racist"!! – that we are sorry for “colonizing” them?! – or that we need them as allies at a ‘time’ of war.'
What about that fact that we are going to give away the European borders to the east - to the Arabs, for the price of a bribe - a Bakshir - the Turkish word for bribe - openly taken at borders [which I witnessed for myself].
The Arabs know precisely what the Turkish inclusion into the EU really means. On the lighter note, perhaps European leaders need to go to confession and get the past out of their system, a few hale Mary’s and a new vision or a clean slate. The Arabs are still bemoaning the crusaders – and while crying their crocodile tears – with the other hand ‘its take Turkey’, to absolve all that we might have done wrong to them or may have manipulated them in some way, in the past?
There is the ‘race’ card but the Arabs have got one better, they are using the ‘colonialist’ card. So let’s talk colonies, look at Hong Kong – which would undoubtedly be the jewel in any crown and because English is spoken, India is now rising at an astronomical rate. But then there are the colonial disasters of some African nations, where these people were probably better off under the colonizers. Japan suffered from loosing Hiroshima and Nagasaki – they could be bitter. And in every school – and in each week teach their children how they must look backwards and eventually get vengeances for their atrocities. They most certainly would not be the Japan of today. China, with all its flaws, is systematically lifting, one of the most populous countries in the world, out of poverty – at a rate which will can only bring shame to those like the Libyan leader, who recently reached up from his oiled outpost and suggested that the Europeans should pay compensation for all the hardship caused during the years of colonial rule and war.
With all due respect - Europe is being had. We shouldn’t take Turkey! Released from their Ottoman Turkish confines, they will want Europe to become Islamic. And to reconfirm their identity those who have not been born, may attempt to take Europe for Allah and all that goes with it.
Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon would make better bedfellows for the Turkish than the more Christian or secular countries of Europe. If we stop looking for oil from that region - then we stop seeing Turkey. I am with Bush on this one!
at March 12, 2006 11:39 AM
Europe needs both: more Hale Mary -- and more Hail Mary -- Even I can see such is sadly lacking over there -- and I'm an agnostic!
Posted by: jsla at March 12, 2006 4:42 PM
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