The passage highlighted in bold by Robert is revealing. It shows that the Danish Foreign Office, whatever it might say, has no illusions about Islam.

We seem at the moment to be in an odd situation where bien pensants tell us there is nothing offensive about Islam while at the same time everyone knows there is a problem (whether admitting it even to themselves or not) and this realization makes itself evident, casually, surreptitiously, here and there in all kind of ways.

This is an interesting observation.

As to Israelis, and western Jews, who ignore the other side's explicit agenda and replace it with fantasies of what they want the other side's agenda to be, fantasies that the Palestinians are simply asking for redress of supposed Israeli misbehavior and that sufficient concessions will end the conflict, they are the truly suicidal party, willing to risk their own lives and those of their children, their co-religionists and their countrymen for the sake of promoting their delusions.

There is something similar going on in Europe. It is rife with fantasies - fantasizing that other people's "agenda" is what we would like it to be. But I don't think the symposium I linked to there really gets to the bottom of this.

I only hope most Danes realize that the inability to holiday here or there is a price worth paying for a political order in which the state cannot dictate to newspaper editors what they will or will not print in order to please aggressive third-parties with a totalitarian mindset.

Posted by: Yojimbo at March 17, 2006 6:42 AM

Yojimbo wrote:

"The passage highlighted in bold by Robert is revealing. It shows that the Danish Foreign Office, whatever it might say, has no illusions about Islam."

This is an interesting insight. It may be most Kufir now see "Mohammed without his clothes." Perhaps the opinion surveys that find 50% or more Yanks or Europeans now have an unfavorable view of Islam undercounts the true numbers because most people are afraid to express their opinion. Courage lads, courage lassies. The time has come to broadcast globally practical demands to put Islam back in the bottle. What are the practical demands and who can rally the courageous and the cowardly? My sense is the cartoon is Islam’s Achilles heal. Bombard them with cartoons and it will cause cognitive dissonance about the existence of Allah. Use technology to destroy the ideals of Islam. Let fax machines and computer screens around the world print out your critique of Mo’s religion, parody or otherwise.

Posted by: David England at March 17, 2006 7:09 AM

I am ahead of you on this one David, I have ran several advertisements supporting Denmark. They don't cost much for a few business card sized ads and if you are selective you can get a lot of coverage. I tend to use music-based media because I’m trying to get the youth more involved. The ad coming out tomorrow is more about free speech then anti islam but it is all related. I wear t-shirts and such as it lead people to approach me and is an easy way to start a dialogue. So far no muslim has approached me although they tend to walk off muttering. The only way to get people involved is to help spread the word. I have given Robert's P.I.G to several people and will continue to do so. Islam is a big problem. It is our entire way of life they want to change. I tend to like it that way it is.

Posted by: Ronin at March 17, 2006 7:48 AM

If you are intyerested in understanding exactly why the Director of Public Prosecutions has decided not to press charges, here is his ruling in english;

http://www.rigsadvokaten.dk/ref.aspx?id=890

Great stuff for any anti-dhimmi!

Posted by: odin, king of gods at March 17, 2006 8:06 AM

Nice link odin, I will share it with a few friends. I don't expect to see the press here in the US cover it, they are scared to offend our peaceloving muslims, cowards.

Posted by: Ronin at March 17, 2006 8:19 AM

Ronin wrote: "Nice link odin, I will share it with a few friends."

Please do that. The western world is under pressure and we non-dhimmi's need all the encouragement we can get.

Posted by: odin, king of gods at March 17, 2006 8:24 AM

"I only hope most Danes realize that the inability to holiday here or there is a price worth paying for a political order in which the state cannot dictate to newspaper editors what they will or will not print in order to please aggressive third-parties with a totalitarian mindset."

Public opinion in Denmark is still fully supportive of free speech. To a point where it's political suicide for any politician to even suggest that those cartoons should have been forbidden or that laws should be passed to prevent similar incidents. So dont worry about us bowing to the pressure in that regard.

The problem is really all those talking about wanting "dialogue". Dialogue about what? We dont have anything to discuss with people who's goal is to make us give up something that we will never under any circumstance give up. They have made their point of view clear and we have told them that its unacceptable. End of story and no need for further discussion.

Thankfully our government has taken the correct stance in this matter and the opposition has only weakened itself with their attempts to ruin it.

Posted by: ExpatriateDK at March 17, 2006 10:23 AM

O.T.

Christian fears persecution if sent back to Egypt

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060309/whistleblower_prison_060316

"His case was heard and decided by a Muslim member of Canada's Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB). She didn't believe he had a credible claim.

"She said that everything I said was almost a lie and she said that Egypt was safe for any Christian to live in," he said."

-This person's boss really needs to read a koran and his own country's amnesty laws before giving this woman ANY say on this matter.

Posted by: daveconcerned at March 17, 2006 10:39 AM

"His ruling said that the 12 cartoons, one of which shows the Prophet wearing a turban shaped like a bomb..."

Mixed with a little British dhimmitude I see.

How about "... one of which shows Mohammad, the
inventor of islam...".

All of this obsequiousness to this stupid cult is
quite unseemly, and seems un-British to me.
Shows how little I know.

Posted by: American at March 17, 2006 11:21 AM

ExpatriateDK wrote: "Thankfully our government has taken the correct stance in this matter and the opposition has only weakened itself with their attempts to ruin it."

I agree. Normally I'm unsatisfied with our governments policies in relation to Islam, especially when we have had socialdemocratic governments, but here we have had some really strong political leadership. Maybe the tide is turning in favor of a more anti-islamic stance, not just in our country, but in the western world as a whole.

Posted by: odin, king of gods at March 17, 2006 11:42 AM

Odin

Thanks. I'm going to pass it around. I know lots of folks who'll be interested in the argument and in Danish law.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at March 17, 2006 11:46 AM

Where's the peace they speak of? It comes when you submit. Muslims want you to submit because they submit to Mo who submits to Allah. Also known as the chain of transmission.

Dad beats up eldest brother so he whales on younger brother. Islam is predictable.

Posted by: AlarmedKoranScientist at March 17, 2006 11:57 AM

yes Odin excellent stuff, ill be passing it around as well in Australia.

Posted by: meredith at March 17, 2006 11:59 AM

ovidius_naso wrote: "Thanks. I'm going to pass it around. I know lots of folks who'll be interested in the argument and in Danish law."

If that's the case, then they might be interested in knowing exactly how blasphemy is defined in Danish law. Section 140 of the danish criminal code (about blasphemy) is from 1866 and as such you could argue that it's obsolete because our ideas about what constitutes an act of blasphemy have changed a lot since then. The maximum time a person can be convicted to is 4 months in prison. It has rarely been used and only once have peopel been convicted to prison sentences based on this section of the criminal code.

It was in 1938 where members of the Danish Naziparty had been distributing flyers about jews. The flyers suggested that holy, jewish scrolls allowed for jews to commit acts of sexual abouse of non-jewish children. Since the flyers accused jews of paedofilia because of their religion and was a blatant falsehood, it was deemed a "crime against the religious sentiment" of the jews and the culprits got prison sentences ranging between 20 and 80 days.

Obviously this isn't directly comparable to the cartoons in Jyllands Posten since they were careful about not generalizing about all muslims and furthermore where satirical comments about real problems in the muslim community, problems of oppression of women in Islam and religious fanaticism. So blasphemy in Denmark isn't defined as 'critizism of religions in general', which is absolutely legal in any western country, but more like 'negative or false statements about specific religious communities'. So it's meant to be a protection of religious minorities rather than a defence of all sorts of religious dogmas.

Posted by: odin, king of gods at March 17, 2006 1:02 PM

Odin, my Danish brother in solidarity, I will continue to buy more Danish products and spread the word here in America about the brave Danish stance for Freedom.

Yes the tide is turning, time to push even harder.

My granddaughter gave a speech in here class about Islam and I helped her prepare it, she got a very positive response and this is in Liberal New York!

keep up the struggle for the truth!

Posted by: El Cid at March 17, 2006 1:19 PM

El Cid wrote: "Odin, my Danish brother in solidarity, I will continue to buy more Danish products and spread the word here in America about the brave Danish stance for Freedom.

Yes the tide is turning, time to push even harder.

My granddaughter gave a speech in here class about Islam and I helped her prepare it, she got a very positive response and this is in Liberal New York!

keep up the struggle for the truth!"

Thanks for the kind words. I'm going to keep up the struggle, as a matter of fact I'm considering making a movie about the life of Mohammad. This whole cartoon affair has provoked me a lot and I think that it's about time someone shows the world the WHOLE truth about this 'religion' called Islam and it's 'wonderful prophet'. I just wonder how I'm going to pull it off without being murdered or having to live in a bunker the next 30 years...

Posted by: odin, king of gods at March 17, 2006 1:57 PM

Funny thing about the supposedly most objectionable of the bona fide Danish cartoons (as opposed to the three Abu Laban added because the original 12 were not getting the reaction he sought), is that I believe the turban/bomb first appeared in the Arab press shortly after 7/7, when the mood was, atypically, apologetic and self-critical.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at March 17, 2006 2:00 PM

People are not aware that Denmark exports not only food but skill and brain power too. Thousands of Danish workers, engineers and specialists in all kinds of fields work in Asia alone. Danes are truly one of the most cosmopolitan and world-wise people I know. That this cartoon thing should have happened to them is truly idiotic. Just ask India and Pakistan and Kuwait, as a for instance, about Danish expertise in water purification and treatment. Just one "little" thing.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at March 17, 2006 2:51 PM

What the danes are doing is a big step for the West

Posted by: meredith at March 17, 2006 3:15 PM

I am aware that the views expressed on this web site are not necessarily representative of the world as such, but for me (and I'm sure this goes for the other Danes posting here), it warms your heart to read comments that fly in the face of claims frequently made in the Danish media that we have become the pariah of the world. It really is a cheap way to bolster your own arguments by claiming that the rest of the world shakes its collective head in disbelief at the xenophobic Danes (although in all fairness both sides use this kind of argument. You say Clinton, I say Rushdie, la-di-da).

You wouldn't believe how split the Danish society has become over this issue. Traditional dividing lines along the right-left axis no longer make any sense. It is such an emotional topic to discuss. One of the most positive consequences surely is the way it has moved the limits of political correctness. For example, no longer need anyone hold back their revulsion at fork tongued imams for fear of being labelled a racist. One now has a much clearer picture of who is your compatriot and whose loyalty is with the enemies of your country and your freedom - Danish or immigrant.

More than they had ever imagined, the Jyllands-Posten initiative opened the floodgates and shifted our place in the world, away from old allies such as the Orwellian Sweden. What an eye opener.

Posted by: anti-uffe at March 17, 2006 6:57 PM

More than they had ever imagined, the Jyllands-Posten initiative opened the floodgates and shifted our place in the world, away from old allies such as the Orwellian Sweden. What an eye opener.

Posted by: anti-uffe at March 17, 2006 06:57 PM

The posters here are from everywhere, so there really is a good representation of the "world", and we're all 100% behind Denmark and proud as hell that you stood your ground!

Teeny, tiny little Denmark should be an inspiration to all of dhimmi Europe and to the wannabe dhimmis in the U.S.

You say that the dividing lines between the traditional left/right axis no longer make any sense. Left/right labels are a testy subject here as some of us consider the left to be myopic when it comes to recognizing the threat of Islam. I'm relieved to hear that the left can be jolted into reality by a crisis; I didn't think it was possible!

Posted by: Susanp at March 18, 2006 1:29 AM

"I'm relieved to hear that the left can be jolted into reality by a crisis; I didn't think it was possible!"

Sadly, Susan, it is probably not so much that they have been jolted into reality. What I meant was rather that those traditionally counted as leftists cling desparately to the "Feindbilder" (image of the enemy) that they have held on to for their whole lives. Abandoning these notions now would result in cognitive dissonance. It is therefore better to maintain that the parties that they oppose in the Danish Parliament, as well as the US, must always be the worst offenders. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That is how I interpret their logic.

This leads to bizarre circumventions of reality when they ally themselves with people who profess adherence to sharia. To me, you cannot get any more right wing than supporting sharia. The "left" is stuck in their past. They are the true reactionaries today.

OTOH the 'conservative' parties support freedom of speech, women's lib, traditional liberal values, etc. It's a strange world, innit?

Posted by: anti-uffe at March 18, 2006 4:03 AM

Thank you Denmark! You have opened so many eyes to the truth about Islam. Your wonderful Hans Christian Andersen worte about the emperor with no clothes. You have now repeated his genius message. Bravo!
We are having a rally in London in the support of free speech and to honour your courage - it will be red and white colours all over Trafalgar Square next Saturday. Viking Spirit Rules!

Posted by: Polish infideless at March 19, 2006 4:51 PM