This is a "talkback" regarding an article

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3237055,00.html

today from Ynet about a professor who claims that Jesus may have walked on ice:

Dont you dare to depict the great Prophet "JESUS THE CHRIST" peace be upon him in this way, whether in your website or else where?
what kind of people are you tell me, dont you get ashamed of God to depict prophets in pictures, does Jesus the Christ really look like this?
when are you going to stop this?
and before sometime i saw people in disney depicting Prophet MOses peace be upon him, again, no respect.
Iam asking every Muslim why dont protest against this, of course , our Prophet peace be upon him told us to defend all prophets of God from those wicked people who respect no holy thing,
but this thing is very expected from the killers of prophets, and the ones who occupy others lands and kill their natives by chemical weapons,
and torture them as in abu graib prison,
and the funniest is that they come to lecture others about democracy and freedom.

Ramzi shaker , egypt- Alexandrea (04.06.06)

Now explain to me why I shouldn't be phobic.

Posted by: Ben-Hur at April 6, 2006 10:49 AM

A lot of credibility this organization has. It was NBC Dateline that faked the story on exploding GM pickup trucks. In attempting to prove the trucks unsafe (due to rupturing and exploding gas tanks) they had a problem- none of the trucks would explode. What to do - easy for NBC, place model rocket engines in the trucks to simulate an explosion.

Great work guys, let's see how you fake Bubba and Skeeter with the Budweisers.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00092UUN6/002-6731480-8334460?v=glance

Posted by: johnb at April 6, 2006 11:34 AM

I'm sure NBC planned a follow-up report, tracking 'prop' Christians into that Mecca of Islam, Saudi Arabia, to see exactly how they were treated by that 'central authority' of the Religion of Peace (Bibles shredded, holy medals confiscated, road signs saying "Non-Muslims" exit here, etc.).

It's like the 1950's Jim Crow South, and that would make a great Part Two expose, right?

(Make them Black Christians, to really get a 'hot' report, eh NBC?)

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 6, 2006 11:41 AM

Dateline is insane. They ought to be going to the mosques and find out what the muslims are REALLY saying about Americans.

I get worried when I see muslim men wearing coats to a baseball game in 80 degree weather. It's not my fault. It's theirs. If they don't want Americans thinking badly about them then they need to change their ways. Not the other way around.

Posted by: freewoman at April 6, 2006 11:56 AM

There's a real problem with mambaphobia in Africa. Just a few fatal bites here or there should not be used to tarnish the image of the true, peaceful reptile.

Posted by: Beagle at April 6, 2006 11:58 AM

Profit's Beard;
The only way that the Jim Crow issue would play in Saudi Arabia is if NBC got the word from Jesse "Jackass" Jackson. According to liberals, black and white, he's the expert on "civil rights," discrimination, and all things "African American."

Posted by: Ironman Hondo at April 6, 2006 11:58 AM

Looking for bigotry among the rednecks - typical of the way the MSM regards Americans and especially Christian Americans who are invariably portrayed as closed minded hypocrites.

However, despite the best efforts of Muslims in America to create a favorable picture of Islam in our minds, we just can't shake those other pictures...the pictures in the newspapers and on television night after night which speak volumes about the real nature of Islam and all it engenders in the attitude of its adherents.

We have a saying in red state America: we may be dumb, but we're not stupid.

Posted by: Rebecca JW at April 6, 2006 12:18 PM

If Dateline was to consult me, the owner of one of their “exploding pickups”, I would suggest a better venue, such as an Oakland Raiders football game, preferably an away game that has snow available. Their fans are notorious for battery laden snowballs, dressed properly, their “plants” are sure to get a good news worthy reaction.

Posted by: Bar at April 6, 2006 12:22 PM

Fascinating. In order to expoose what those at Dateline NBC take to be prejudice against Muslims, they exhibit their own conventional prejudice by assuming that those who go to NASCAR races are sure to exhibit another kind of prejudice. But it is not prejudice -- that is, an irrational hostility -- that is now felt by many Infidels. It is rational hostility, a hostility that one comes to on one's own, through study and observation, and not because it is being drummed into anyone. The contrary is true: many people in the media and the government are moving heaven and earth to prevent discussion of what is contained in Qur'an, Hadith, and the biography of Muhammad. Vast efforts are made everywhere to soft-pedal the behavior and attitudes of Muslims, to ascribe that behavior to anything and everything (poverty, American foreign policy, bad child-rearing practcies) except for Islam. Islam, you see, has nothing to do with either Islamic terrorism, or death threats to Danes for practicing the right of free speech, or death threats to Abdul Rahman for attempting to exercise the freedom of conscience permitted everywhere in the non-Muslim world.

Why choose NASCAR to find out about "prejudice" toward Muslims? Why not read a few books, and see if Western students of Islam, in the period 1880-1960, before things clamped down, in France, Germany, England, Holland, Italy, Spain, Bulgaria, Serbia, Russia, Poland, and other countries, was not full of what some might a bit too precipitously, and very inaccurately, call "prejudice" but which was something else -- something ordinarily called "knowledge."

Or bring those cameras to a local library, and interview those who have read, in the last year or two, five or more books on Islam and, as well, describe themselves as followers of the news. Find out their views on Islam -- are they more, or less, likely to be hostile to Islam and to those who claim to be adherents of a belief-system that uncompromisingly divides the world between Believer and Infidel.

NBC is trying to make us think that it is simply impossible for any fair-minded person to study Islam and the behavior of Muslims and come reasonably to the conclusion that Islam represents a menace to all Infidels. As this is not susceptible of proof, NBC simply assumes its truth, assumes that everyone will recognize that this which they assume is self-evident. It isn't.

The exposer of "prejudice" has exposed only one kind of prejudice: that of NBC's staff, or the staff of Dateline, toward those who go to NASCAR races. Why not take a camera into the sessions of those who prepare NBC news broadcasts, including the nightly news and of course -- Dateline itself.

Posted by: Hugh at April 6, 2006 12:38 PM

Dateline: "We were intrigued...".
Dateline and NBC are a 'we', but it was probably a single person who dreamed this up, and got the ball rolling. Saying 'we' were intrigued is evasive. Some individual is hiding behind it. I would like the name, address and phone # of the originator...bet his name Is Mohammad something...

Posted by: duh_swami at April 6, 2006 12:59 PM

Exactly Hugh.

Wasn't NBC the station that had the reporter Michelle Kozinski showing how awfully deep the floodwaters were by being in a row boat when two men walked past her as she made her report. Proving that the water was only a foot deep.

NBC is trying to keep up with ABC which recently did the taxi cab undercover routine. Saying uncalled-for things about different races to see if the riders would join in with the bashing. I think they were disappointed for the most part.
The BBC did their undercover routine with the BNP which led to a court case against the leaders of the group.

Posted by: Borg at April 6, 2006 1:04 PM

Again the media creating news...not covering the news.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 6, 2006 1:04 PM

Rebecca JW

We also have a saying in red state America -

Don't p-ss on my leg and tell me its raining.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 6, 2006 1:06 PM

Dear dateline,

I am your worst nightmare, I was born in the south, fish, hunt, drive a truck, own guns, like NASCAR and I strongly dislike muslims trying to slowly assimilate everything I hold dear. Despite all that, when I pay my hard-earned money to watch a race, I have no time to put down my pork BBq sandwich and beer to harass any muslims. It is my sincere hope that by watching a few NASCAR events and sampling a few American specialties like, beer and hotdogs the muslims will assimilate into my culture and not the other way around. Any fair-minded islamaphobic southerner I ever met would instantly see through your plot and treat a visiting muslim with nothing but kindness, we are uneducated not stupid. Do you know what NASCAR tickets sell for? Do you know how long I have to work just to afford to go? Then why do you think I would risk getting kicked out just to harass muslims? I can stand near any Wal-Mart and do that for free. Show some respect for southerners, your actions prove to me you are nothing but NASCARaphobic bigots and I will no longer watch your program.

Sincerely,
Ronin, defender of NASCAR, hotdogs, beer and Walmart.

PS: I do own a TV but it will not EVER be tuned into your program again.

Posted by: Ronin at April 6, 2006 1:23 PM

Write to the sponsors of Dateline. Tell them that not only will you not buy their products, but will go out of your way to urge others not to do so. This will get the attention of Dateline. Don't bother with appeals to truth, good sense, logic, decency. Forget that. Write to the sponsors; make sure they know they will suffer.

Posted by: Hugh at April 6, 2006 1:39 PM

I already sent an email to dateline, similar to my post but without any attempts at humor. Follow Hugh’s suggestion and you can express your own displeasure at: dateline@msnbc.com

Unfortunately, I can not write the sponsors because I no longer watch the show. I have no way of knowing who the sponsors are. Come on America don't get mad, get even.

Posted by: Ronin at April 6, 2006 1:53 PM

Dear All,

I went to NBC's site and wrote a little note:

Dear Dateline Producers, Directors and crew,

I've just read the Associated Press articles describing how Dateline 'reporters' intended to bait NASCAR fans with pseudo-Muslims. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

You assume that southern, blue-collar America is prejudicial. What you show by your actions is that the reporters, producers and crew of Dateline are prejudicial, assuming the worst from "Red Neck America".

I'm going to watch Dateline one last time to compile a list of your sponsors. When I have it, I'll send each of them a note describing my contempt for you and their products, which from now on will be associated in my mind with judgmental TV drones who try to create the news rather than report on it.

Why don't you do some good for a change? Something that requires a little effort besides half-baked attempts to slander the good name of the working people in the United States. Your assumptions about them disgust me.

I won't watch Dateline anymore and will talk about this among my friends. I will send letters to your sponsors and let them know your pathetic attempts to stir up controversy will affect my purchasing habits. I can't support companies which sponsor Dateline anymore.

thanks - but no thanks Dateline

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at April 6, 2006 2:04 PM

"I'm going to watch Dateline one last time to compile a list of your sponsors. When I have it, I'll send each of them a note describing my contempt for you and their products, which from now on will be associated in my mind with judgmental TV drones who try to create the news rather than report on it."
-- from a posting above

If enough such letters are received, and if the promised letters to sponsors are sent, that will get attention.

It is possible, of course, to wish that NASCAR were less popular. That has to do with encouraging changes in taste, so that activites associated with, or requiring, oil and gas, or connected to them, become less popular so that, say, chess and botanizing and reading, that require no oil or gas, can come back into fashion.

But that's another thing. Right now the NBC attempt to do CAIR's work for it, and to entrap people into expressing themselves unguardedly, in terms that might play into the hands of CAIR, disgusts. It should be punished.

Posted by: Hugh at April 6, 2006 3:33 PM

NBC has made a HUGE mistake.
NASCAR fans will not let them get away with this.
We are a family.

They will be punished.

Someone post the e-mail link for NBC Dateline. I'll be sure to pass it along to my fellow "red-neck" NASCAR buddies.

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at April 6, 2006 4:14 PM

Gee, if they want the real story, why not go to Saudi Arabia and walk around the bazaar with a cross around their neck and a bible in one hand? Or is there no need to prove how tolerant and loving Islam is? Thanks NBC.

Posted by: John Sobieski at April 6, 2006 4:26 PM

I don't understand why NBC would choose a NASCAR race to do this ploy. Don't they understand that NASCAR fans are not the representative of the real America? Why not try it at a Joan Baez concert or a national librarians convention?

Posted by: GFB at April 6, 2006 5:05 PM

Ignore "Dateline", "60 minutes", and all the other excrement the major saudi-controlled news media try to force-feed you. If you want an unbiased view at what's going on in the world, try CBN. I also love Pat Robertson's commentaries, and I happen to agree with him about 95% of the time.

Posted by: Infidel33 at April 6, 2006 6:54 PM

Here in Australia, we also have the program Dateline.
It is hosted by a fellow called George Negus.
George is the type of journalist who carries a fake hairy chest and a good supply of shirts sans top three buttons in his wardrobe for all those 'dangerous' assignments.

Last night George described the infamous
Mariam Farhat(Mother of the Martyrs), one of the new Hamas members in the Palestinian Parliament, as having three sons who were "killed by the Israeli military".

What a total dhimmi you are George Negus.

Posted by: Mike_W at April 6, 2006 9:19 PM

Not suprising what NBC would do. They are still reeling from the offical anouncement by Katie Courac to go to CBS to sit in Dan Rather's seat. Also NASCAR is a big sport in the southern part of the USA. They want to portray NASCAR fans as outright rednecks.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 6, 2006 10:15 PM

I am not a NASCAR fan but I am disgusted by NBC's pompous attitude and deceitful attempts to expose bigoted behavior among a certain group of Americans, mainly Southern racing fans. I am a Southerner and I am sick and tired of being stereotyped by elitist yankee pricks.

I emailed NBC and told them just how despicable I think they are. My email wasn't nice or particularly polite, but I didn't cuss.

Posted by: Susanp at April 6, 2006 10:28 PM

It was good to see this discussed on Fox News this evening with Michelle Malken and Tony Snow. If a lot of NASCAR folks watched it, I think NBC is going to have to do a lot of explaining about their miss-directed arrogance. Where they itching to create some provocation, thus giving groups like CAIR any opportunity to "play the victim by NASCAR Fans show?

Posted by: Mackie at April 7, 2006 12:41 AM

Future News Report:

The Texas Motor Speedway today witnessed another terrorist attack on American soil. An NBC reporter and camera crew were killed instantly when three Muslims blew themselves up at the TMS trying to kill innocent NASCAR fans. Many wounded...

The NBC film crew was attempting to bait unsuspecting NASCAR fans to mouth off or physically assault the Muslims who NBC had recruited for that purpose. A case of a staged news event.

The NBC crew was standing right next to the bombers. Witnesses said the NBC people had been with the terrorists all day, and that nothing seemed untoward. "They must have been as surprised as we were", said a witness, who only gave his last name, Barry.

The camera mans equipment was mostly intact. NBC -- trying to put a good face on it -- announced that they would have film at 11:00/The Nightly News.

Posted by: SCV at April 7, 2006 1:22 AM

From the tail end of the AP story: "NASCAR is in the final year of a broadcasting agreement with NBC Sports."

My first thought is that NASCAR decided not to renew the agreement and this is a retaliatory hatchet piece. If not, it is cetainly a strange way to encourage NASCAR to renew.

Posted by: jay at April 7, 2006 2:18 AM

Last night I watched a talk show and the theme was Antisemitism , but the 2 guests from MidEast background were also Muslims.

The host was growing tired of the "Islamophobia" and how good "The Jews" have it in North American , the one weasel lawyer cited the bogus stats as if they were factual and had the nerve to deny hateful statements by Muslims as "One person opinion" and not an authority for islamic teachings.

The same guy then claimed that all Muslims are victims of Islamphobia , and the show became his soapbox to spew more lies about these false cases of vandalism to Mosques or Muslim businesses.
I truely believe that even the well educated Muslims here still don't get it, we're not stupid and subtle language used to appear to condemn terrorism while not holding the actual Muslim terrorists to the fire is a real sad indictment of bigotry and thye real threat to we here in the west.

If this was the more educated Muslim trying to appear peaceful then just imagine the overt hate and calls for Jihad by the less informed yahoo's that will die for Allah just to get laid in paradise, if the collective actions by Muslims isn't reflective of the Islamic faith itself, then Islam has nothing to do with muslims and muslim have no connection to islam.

It's much like blaming 95% of all the lawyer just for the actions of the 5% that are honest and don't screw widows and orphans out of their homes.

Posted by: ala-sux at April 7, 2006 4:20 AM

I assume for the sake of journalistic fairnes NBC will be sending some of their own reporters to a muslim country dressed as priests or vicars? Mmmmmmmm let me think..........

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Posted by: just one soldier at April 7, 2006 4:21 PM

Borg: as you will remember, I am no fan of the BNP - but what the BBC did was a deliberate hatchet job intended as a prelude on an assault on Nick Griffin's (the BNP leader) freedom of speech. What Griffin was taped as saying is no worse than what any of us JW readers says about Islam every day of the week. If the case against him is not thrown out of court, it will become a presedent for suppressing criticism of Islam even in private (the place where he was recorded was a private home). The BBC: your pounds at work.

Posted by: Paolo at April 7, 2006 5:33 PM