I maintain that Islam is incompatible with democracy

Well, let's see what that old poop-haid the Koranic God had to say on the subject:

MO CONFUSION MO DELUSION MO INTRUSION MO INFUSION MO PROTRUSION

Lo! religion with Allah (is) Surrender.
--- God's commandment in Koran 3:19

It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option.
--- God's commandment in Koran 33:36

MO GIMME MO BREED LIKE FLIES TELL ME MO LIES BLINDED BY MY LYING EYES

And a little dose of good old-fashioned Mohammedan racism never hurts. This is why so many African-Americans convert to Islam:

Allah’s Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he is a black African slave whose head looks like a raisin."
--- A hadith on Mohammed from Bukhari V9B89N256

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at April 11, 2006 10:09 AM

Islam is not a danger in the exact same way firearms are not a danger. It's the idiots messing around with Islam improperly who are the danger. Always keep your Qur'an pointed downrange and assume it's loaded, kids.

Posted by: Beagle at April 11, 2006 10:25 AM

Only muslims and the people who know nothing of islam would consider this islam-bashing.

Countries that allow sharia and islam in government are commiting suicide.

I wonder when muslims are going to wake up to the fact that they ARE incompatible with democratic countries. And if they want to continue to be islamic, STAY in islamic countries. We wouldn't allow a tribe of cannibals to continue to exist freely and openly and islam isn't different in that fact.

There is no difference...both kill.

Posted by: freewoman at April 11, 2006 11:22 AM

Why don't Muslim prisoners in Western countries demand to be punished according to Sharia law? They demane the islamification of so much else of their prison life, why not the punishment?

Posted by: Celsius at April 11, 2006 12:58 PM

Why don't Muslim prisoners in Western countries demand to be punished according to Sharia law? They demane the islamification of so much else of their prison life, why not the punishment?
Posted by: Celsius [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 11, 2006 12:58 PM

Good point.

Posted by: km at April 11, 2006 2:19 PM

The accusation has been levelled against them by researcher Jan Schoonenboom of the Netherlands Scientific Council for Government Policy (WRR). Schoonenboom said Verhagen's comments about Sharia Law are irresponsible.

It used to be that veracity/truth was a defense in a libel case. But we no longer seem to care about facts or reality, the only goal is to be tactful and polite, to avoid angering the Muslims.

Posted by: special_guest at April 11, 2006 2:22 PM

"Schoonenboom has spoken out against Verhagen's call to ban any political parties that advocate Sharia in the Netherlands. "We call for Islamic schools and Islamic parties as long as they adhere to Dutch law and Dutch values and norms. But we cannot tolerate Islamic lawmaking alongside the Dutch [law]," Verhagen said."

From the article above.

This statement is the natural conclusion of multiculturalism. All cultures are equal, so there is no reason to ban or restrict Islamic lawmaking.

The Multicultural belief that one can not make cross cultural judgements, as all cultures are of equal worth, is self contradictory, as deciding all cultures are of equal worth is in itself a cross cultural judgement. QED.

Multiculturalism claims to be for pluralism, but is in effect totalitarian in nature, as it considers no views as acceptable which contradict its own. Such views are to be descibed as bigoted, xenophobic, etc in an attempt to silence any criticism. Some countries, such as Britain have tried to pass laws so that those who express such views can be sentenced to prison, while at the same time, such countries claim to stand up for freedom of speech and civil liberties.

Western values are trying to be installed in parts of the third world. Meanwhile, Europe needs to start trying to reinstall those values back on its own shores.

Posted by: Amicus at April 11, 2006 6:55 PM

Nice analogy, Beagle!

Posted by: Jim The Kafir at April 11, 2006 8:50 PM

From LGF:

And here’s a moment of refreshing honesty:

Schoonenboom denies that the WRR report is naive. It is a reaction of “a real fear of dangerous developments. Do we want to go on living in a land that is plagued by fear of attacks?”

Say it like it is, Jan.

If this truly represents the current state of Holland’s leftist thought, and if they really do have the ear of the Dutch government, it won’t be long before those red light districts and “coffee shops” are shut down. Or bombed. Whichever comes first.

Quite a funny comment from LGF!

However:

This line: "...it won’t be long before those red light districts and “coffee shops” are shut down. Or bombed. Whichever comes first..." is obviously written by somebody who doesn't really know how Mohammedans operate:

The infidel female, usually hooked on drugs, which the Muslim pimp kindly supplies, is the preferred money-making instrument for the Mohammedan infil-traitor. She is the sort 'which the right hand possesses' , which is perfectly legitimate in the Jihad against the west.

Prostitution is rampant in Islamic countries, it usually comes with a twist, 'temporary marriages' as in Iran for example, but there are quite a variety of options. Red light districts are rarely bombed or shut down, business is business, even for the Mussulman....

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 12, 2006 12:57 AM

From LGF:

And here’s a moment of refreshing honesty:

Schoonenboom denies that the WRR report is naive. It is a reaction of “a real fear of dangerous developments. Do we want to go on living in a land that is plagued by fear of attacks?”

Say it like it is, Jan.

If this truly represents the current state of Holland’s leftist thought, and if they really do have the ear of the Dutch government, it won’t be long before those red light districts and “coffee shops” are shut down. Or bombed. Whichever comes first.

Quite a funny comment from LGF!

However:

This line: "...it won’t be long before those red light districts and “coffee shops” are shut down. Or bombed. Whichever comes first..." is obviously written by somebody who doesn't really know how Mohammedans operate:

The infidel female, usually hooked on drugs, which the Muslim pimp kindly supplies, is the preferred money-making instrument for the Mohammedan infil-traitor. She is the sort 'which the right hand possesses' , which is perfectly legitimate in the Jihad against the west.

Prostitution is rampant in Islamic countries, it usually comes with a twist, 'temporary marriages' as in Iran for example, but there are quite a variety of options. Red light districts are rarely bombed or shut down, business is business, even for the Mussulman....

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at April 12, 2006 1:01 AM

All good points, but I think it is worth pointing out that the Dutch sub-contracted the chore of being a whore to the women and boys of other nations - their own being far too good for that if you get my drift. One much used source of bodies is that of youthful asylum seekers. They usually arrive on a pretext, stay at a government hostel and _disappear_ after a short space of time. The deliberate blurring of the distinction between genuine political refugees seeking asylum and those engaged in or using the services of people-trafficking networks has provided a useful resource for pimps. For the rest, more often than not white female prostitutes originate from those areas of eastern Europe impoverished by decades of communism.

The Dutch have also found a nice solution for workers in other service (industries) from, for example, Poland. The Poles are put to work through agencies that receive the full rate of pay commeasurate with that of the minimum wage, but themselves merely receive a wage slightly higher than that they would get in Poland. It is strange to meet cleaners who have degrees in civil-engineering that have to work for a pittance. I think the Dutch government do have to change their policies radically, but not in the way suggested in the report.

Posted by: Liam at April 12, 2006 5:10 AM

May I say that two more brave men stood up for democratic values? Thank you, Mr Wilder and Mr Verhagen

Posted by: FreeSpeech at April 12, 2006 5:20 AM

Liam: perhaps they learned hypocrisy from their practice of murdering the old and the sick, now including babies. Or perhaps it goes back, back, back... to the time when the Dutch colonial empire was by far the blackest and most atrocious of all, renowned for murdering anyone who got in their way and for the mass enslavement of natives. I was grimly amused to read of a massacre in the Indonesian island of Ambon; the massacre it was known for until this one was the one of 1623, when the local Dutch, to show their gratitude to the English who had supported them in their war against Spain when nobody else would, massacred a boatload of English sailors who had had the presumption to try and trade in Dutch territory. All I can say is that the Netherlands should be grateful to its painters: they are the only redeeming feature in a history that began with piracy and is likely to end with euthanasia.

Posted by: Paolo at April 12, 2006 5:41 AM

Political Science is an oxymoron if there ever was one. To confer "scientific authority" on the opinions and conjecture put out by the Netherlands Scientific Council for Government Policy (WRR)is an insult to the men and women who use empirical evidence to support their findings.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 12, 2006 8:27 AM