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More on the Hatan Surucu murder from TimesOnline:
AYHAN SURUCU was so angry when his sister started to wear make-up and date German men that he put a gun to her head at a bus stop and killed her.The 18-year-old Turk fired three bullets into her brain and calmly walked away.
Boys at a nearby school, attended mainly by the children of immigrant Muslim families, cheered and applauded when news of the murder reached them...
Passing judgment, Michael Degrif said: “It is inconceivable that someone can be killed for living a Western lifestyle.”
Although she was brought up in Germany, Hatun was forced into a marriage with her Turkish cousin in east Anatolia. The marriage broke up and she returned to Berlin with her five-year-old child to live the life of a young German woman: going to discos, renting a small apartment, taking lovers and starting an apprenticeship as an electrician. She abandoned the traditional headscarf and wore fashionable jeans. Her three brothers were upset, as was her father...
There are 40 “honour killings” a year in Germany and most of them result from the failure of an arranged marriage, which are illegal in the country.
Posted by Rebecca at April 14, 2006 7:39 AM
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Geez,don't ya just love Islameic family values.Such a noble religion of peace and compassion it is. Makes me want to take Shadda right now.I can endulge all my worst instincts and be the path to heaven. Wow!
at April 14, 2006 8:36 AM
Now to the more intelligent post on this thread. What is really upsetting about this story is not so much that a Muslim killed his sister, but the German non-challance about this. It is beyond disturbing to think that some areas of the West are so debased and so deeply imdued with moral relativism that barbarity such as this passes with what amounts to a shrug of the shoulders?
Moral relativism and the false tolerence that is so trendy in certain circles of the West a moral abomination. It is dangerous and is bound to (alas) to get more people killed.
Not only are we confronting Muslim aggression and barbity, but a perversly relativist broken western society as well. Has it really come to this? Forty honor killings a year in Germany?
at April 14, 2006 9:03 AM
Dear President Bush; is this one of those many examples of the religion of peace that you are talking about?
If only the Christian religion could demonstrate such wonderful values then maybe it could earn the title of religion of peace.
And to think that the EU has been considering allowing Turkey into the EU.
Posted by: Mackie
at April 14, 2006 9:11 AM
Their family lives must be like something out of some horror movie. But I'm sure they convince themselves it's all normal and perfect and wonderful, looking down their noses at Western society, thinking they're superior and better (!). How do you raise a son to be able to murder his sister in such a blase, cold way? What do you do to him to turn him into such a monster? It's creepy and horrifying.
And then for the others to cheer?!?! Obviously, it's not an isolated, bizarre incident, but common-place for Muslim boys to be raised to be monsters. It's no wonder they can cold-bloodedly slaughter their own sisters, considering they can cold-bloodedly gang-rape girls and think they're perfectly justified doing so.
Sick, sick, sick!!!
Posted by: feralee
at April 14, 2006 9:43 AM
You never hear these issues taken up by the feminists.
But you can see plenty of these highly charged females (who usually represent the far left or the Greens or the rainbow-brigade) defend the interests of the Mohammedans in these obnoxious late-night TV-debates, where they argue earnestly for the establishment of mosques in small Bavarian villages, where the Muslim call for prayer should drown the sound of church-bells, and demand special holidays as well as all sorts of privileges for the Musulman, while at the same time denigrating their own culture and questioning themselves & the audience "what values....?"
Once upon a time there was a politician talking about something called 'leit-cultur' - he was almost crucified...
at April 14, 2006 10:17 AM
"Who are we to question their lifestyle and traditions," right? As long as it isn't Christian.
Posted by: yohannbiimu
at April 14, 2006 10:41 AM
Mr. Steyn on the limits of multiculturalism:
In a more culturally confident age, the British in India were faced with the practice of “suttee”–the tradition of burning widows on the funeral pyres of their husbands. Gen. Sir Charles Napier was impeccably multicultural: “You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: When men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks, and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”
Posted by: Ben-Hur
at April 14, 2006 10:56 AM
Ben-Hur,
That's a great quote which I've seen before; it should be repeated and emblazoned everywhere. We should be conducting our foreign policy not on the basis of Wilsonianism, but on the basis of Napierism.
Posted by: Television
at April 14, 2006 11:27 AM
"Boys at a nearby school, attended mainly by the children of immigrant Muslim families, cheered and applauded when news of the murder reached them..."
Was there any follow up on this part of the story? Perhaps asking these boys why they thought it was ok to 'cheer and applaud'.
Who told them and in what context were they told?
Posted by: Xeno
at April 14, 2006 12:30 PM
What is so worrying aboiut this case is summed up in this sentence Passing judgment, Michael Degrif said: “It is inconceivable that someone can be killed for living a Western lifestyle.”. Yet another judge who simply doesn't understand that honor killings for wanting to live a Western lifestyle are part and parcel of Islam and reveals how ill-equipped our laws and the practicioners of them are to face the oncoming Jihad, and the more the Muslim population goes up in Europe, the more honor killings we'll see.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683
at April 14, 2006 2:48 PM
Intolerant.
Savage.
Lunatic.
Aberrant.
Murderous.
The family values of the cult of the pedophile "prophet".
Posted by: profitsbeard
at April 14, 2006 6:45 PM
Thanks, profitsbeard, Islam is an acronym after all; now for this: Murdering Unrepentent Sadistic Little Inbred Motherf%*&er. Anybody have any more ideas?
Posted by: Pelayo
at April 14, 2006 9:06 PM
Understanding the average Dhimmiwatch contributors philosphy - "a Muslim does an evil act therefore it must be islamic because everything a Muslim does that is bad is Islamic whereas if they do anything good they are acting non-islamic"
By the same token Sikhism and Hinduism and Christianity also are evil and support honor killings since people from these religions have also committed this heinous crime.
Sikh honor killers
http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2003/10/05/mom_gave_long_distance_order_for_honor_killing_police_say/
Hindu honor killers
http://southasia.oneworld.net/article/view/76542/1/
at April 15, 2006 1:58 PM
truth speaker, speak the truth. I have never heard of any religion other than islam that practices honour killings. On the contraire, Western Men are expected to protect their Woman and Children. If an honour killing should happen in a religion other than islam, it is few and far between. It is absolutley illegal in Western cultures. I understand that in many islamic countries, it is tollerated and even celebrated. Time to breath in the oxygen to nourish brain cells " truth speaker."
Posted by: mustang65
at April 15, 2006 6:05 PM
Are there any web sites which document honor killings in the United States?
Posted by: Christian
at April 15, 2006 6:33 PM


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