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April 24, 2006

Holland: Writer who took over Theo van Gogh's column attacked

I just received this message from a well-placed contact in the Netherlands:

On Friday, April 21, the Dutch writer Ebru Umar, of Turkish background, was attacked in Amsterdam by two Moroccan young men. She was hurt, but not seriously. She has been lucky. It was just a warning.

Ebru Umar took over Theo van Gogh's weekly column in the daily newspaper Metro. The Dutch media mentioned this yesterday and today. Ms Ebru Umar confirmed the story. The Moroccans probably wanted to convince her once more that Islam is a religion of peace.

More on this as it becomes available.

Posted by Robert at April 24, 2006 10:02 AM
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Guys who hit women are scum.

Posted by: singlenotlooking [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 10:18 AM

Probably just guys out looking to pick up chicks.

Posted by: JanuaryMan [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 10:32 AM

Hmmm...mikee , you hate women's rights?

So you can't stand the fact that women can vote, drive, get an education, raise their children, have reproductive choices, own businesses, have their own money, make their own decisions? You would rather women be enslaved, barefoot and pregnant, and locked away in their own home never to be seen unless taken out at your own whim?

You are either in a bad relationship, a muslim or 200 years old.

Posted by: freewoman [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 11:57 AM

The truth of the matter is that the Christian faith has always been wonderful to women. Remember that it goes back to when Jesus loved his mother, his first follower. Also the apostle Paul mentions in his letter to the Galations " There is in Christ, neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, man or woman. " So it goes to show that women's dignity and respect is a part of Biblical Christian faith.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 12:24 PM

mikeeusa doesn't exactly represent contemporary Christianity. He should consider moving to Iran.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 12:38 PM

MIkeusa, you seem to me just about ready for conversion to Islam, like a couple of cases being discussed in JW today. You are full of hatred, you hanker for domination, you understand religion as violence and obedience, with violence coming first. If you are a Catholic, you are no kind of Catholic with whom I, who have quarrelled with dozens of people on these pages in defence of the Catholic faith, have any desire to be associated. Either do something about what is wrong with you or else join Islam where you belong, and let us be enemies, which I would much rather. You should hate the Church, which has made Catharine of Siena, Theresa of Avila and Theresa of Lisieux Doctors of the church - the highest rank of saints other than Apostles; people whose teaching is normative for Catholics. The Church demands that you should learn from these three great women, that you should approach them on your knees and in a spirit of humility. The Church teaches that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the greatest of all saints, the only person other than Jesus never to have sinned, and that we should all pray to her for her prayers. You do not belong in a Church which prays the Rosary every day in every country in the world.

Posted by: Paolo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 12:39 PM

Mike: you are not a man, except in the zoological sense, and I have a feeling that you are not a Catholic either. You would not be the first Muslim to disguise himself as a Christian and come over here to troll. Get lost.

Posted by: Paolo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 12:57 PM

i don't know about the rest of you, but this mikeeusa seems to be delirious. i can't make heads or tails out of what he is trying to say if anything. sounds like his mother beat him when he was a child, probably still lives with her as well.

Posted by: JanuaryMan [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 1:05 PM

mikeeusa,

You need to be corrected. The Christian faith is great because of the honor given to women by Jesus. Also in the Catholic Church, women are honored greatly. Not only the mother of Jesus, the three women doctors of the Church, but also there have been women honored with canonization because of special devotions in honor of Jesus, such as the Sacred Heart, ( Margaret Mary ), and the Divine Mercy, ( Faustina ). It is because of these women that these devotions have gained great respect. Please do some research.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 1:25 PM

Mikee, if this war you're talking about is islam, then we are talking about men's rights too. People have the right to think about their religion, discuss, question and then leave if they so desire. Without being killed.

I think men have the right to live in peace without worrying about their wives ankles showing or about having to kill their daughter because she was raped and therefore their "honor" was spoiled. Men also have the right to not have to worry about the length of their beard, washing their butt the "right" way. Being forced to protest over stupid ideas. Men have the right not to be persecuted or tortured for their beliefs.

And get ready.... so do women. But it goes deeper there. Women muslims should have the right to choose their own husbands, marry at a decent age, be treated with respect by their husbands, fathers, brothers, not be killed because they love another man and don't want to marry the chosen one. Women muslims shouldn't have to worry about being stoned because they are raped. Women muslims live in those muslim countries and should have a say in how those countries are run. Just like a man. Women muslims shouldn't have to live with the thought they are just a giant walking vagina and have to be covered at all times.

Don't put boundaries on yourself at such a young age. Your thinking will change as you age. I hope it's for the better.

Posted by: freewoman [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 1:35 PM

Jesus was no women hater, Mike, he spoke up for women's rights too, and for all I know, he considered all people equals. And apart from that, do me a favour and read the bible part II: "The Da Vinci Code". You will be amazed. lol

Posted by: singlenotlooking [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 1:36 PM

You are cool, freewoman.

Posted by: singlenotlooking [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 1:38 PM

mikee's_useless-

There was a 'nice young fellow', self-re-named "Marc Lepine" (born Gamil Garbi), in Canada on December 6, 1989, who thought a lot like you.

He ended up taking a hunting rifle into a Montreal university and slaughtering 14 "feminists", and wounding many others, in a misogynist killing rampage.

He was the son of an anti-feminist Muslim and dhimmi Canadian woman, and his story is too little known in the West.

Maybe you want to move to Canada?

There's no death penalty there -should your infantile rage become unmanageable.

Garbi/"Lepine" committed suicide after murdering the classroom of innocent young women.

(Maybe that would be the safest course in your case?)

Sounds like you were breastfed by a porcupine.

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 1:49 PM

mikeeusa is a muslim troll, same old -same old. Seen it before, drag Christianity through the dirt hoping islam looks good in comparison. duh

Posted by: Carolyn2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 1:51 PM

Unfortunately, I think Mike represents the majority of american christian men. I read some statistics that said 80% of male americans beat their wives and children regularly.

Posted by: singlenotlooking [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 2:00 PM

Unfortunately, I think Mike represents the majority of american christian men. I read some statistics that said 80% of male americans beat their wives and children regularly.

Posted by: singlenotlooking

okay - prove it. Put the link in here or name the source.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 2:06 PM

plague: www.despair.com

Posted by: singlenotlooking [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 2:18 PM

I will check that out, but can't do it from here. Thanks.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 2:19 PM

you're welcome. lol

Posted by: singlenotlooking [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 2:20 PM

80% of male americans beat their wives and children regularly.
At table tennis or scrabble probably.

A wise son brings joy to his father, a foolish son is his mother's bane.
a Proverb of Solomon 10:1

I commend t you Phobe, a fellow Christian who holds office in the congrgatin at Cenchrea...stand by her in any business in which she needs your help....Letter of Paul to the Romans 16.1

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 2:24 PM

Sadly, I have seen my share of trolls like mikeeusa. Thankfully he does not speak for all Christian men and also that troll is simply a Muslim supporter just simply bm Christianity. Just ignore the trolls or keep respones to a few posts.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 2:48 PM

There’s something particularly unpleasant about the sight of men beating up women in a public place: some of the more offputting newsclips out of Afghanistan before and just after the fall of the Taliban was the sight of officials laying into burqa clad women with whips or truncheons as a matter of routine crowd control. There’s something about what Islam does to the male psyche that seems to make some men feel this kind of bullying sadism is sanctified by god. Something similar occurred in the UK in Bradford where the local Muslims, who had attracted prostitutes to the area in the first place and been able to buy houses cheaply because it was a red light district, decided, a few years ago, to drive the girls away, having shipped over wives from Pakistan and wishing to see property prices rise. The egregious Ziauddin Sardar described what followed as a battle between local Muslims and Afro-Caribbean (presumably Christian) pimps but in fact newspaper reports were quite clear: the men were beating up the women on the streets in a concerted and organised campaign. The result was that the red light district moved elsewhere. I was disgusted that this particularly repulsive Muslim habit had been allowed to be practised on UK soil.

Posted by: wallyUK [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 3:20 PM

mikeeusa prob. bases his whole theology on the verse that says the woman to the man is like the Church to Christ, and must obey her husband in everyway. What he then fails to do is read on as to what the men are supposed to do, which is: men are to love their wives as Christ loves the Church! WHOA!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT CHRIST DID FOR THE CHURCH?? He died for her, giving his life so that she might know it...kinda makes you look at things differently doesn't it? So the role of the husband is to guide the wife (and family) in paths of righteousness and to sacrifice all he has for them, loving them with a God-like love (agape).

Posted by: Erik [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 3:24 PM

Singlenotlooking:

Hey, now, I'm offended-- even more than at mikeeusa. You said in the comment linked below that there are lines one should just not cross.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011172.php#c206683

Can I enshrine in law my taking offense at your preposterous claim that 80% of American men beat their wives, and that Christianity has something to do with it?

Posted by: Shinoliite [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 3:29 PM

Moron calleth unto moron. The Mikeusas of this world justify the singlenotlookings, or vice versa. It is personally my hope that they will marry, thus making only two people miserable instead of four.

Posted by: Paolo [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 3:37 PM

"Do what we say or else" seems to be the standard response. These people have no fear of the authorities becuase there is no authority. They attack innocents then claim THEY are being persecuted. Our governments' see these people doing this and still kow-tow for fear of being branded islamophobic. Until the governments' of all western countries decide to do the right thing and not concern themselves with the next election we will continue to be marginalised by these fear mongers until there is indeed a Eurabia.

Posted by: DaveMate [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 3:56 PM

Singlenotlooking:

you wrote:
I read some statistics that said 80% of male americans beat their wives and children regularly.

then you pointed me at www.despair.com for some reason.

www.despair.com is the site for the demotivational posters...

Despair, Inc.Motivational products and posters for pessimists, underachievers, and the chronically unsuccessful.
www.despair.com/


You don't have the 80% statistic anywhere, do you?

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 4:56 PM

Apologies to disillusioned_german and other JWers from Germany but I just have to post this to the LLL twins
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/000820.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 5:11 PM

Carolyn, I remember that report when it first came out and caused quite a big chuckle.
Size being relative, of course.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 6:08 PM

Singlenotlooking,
I hope you were being sarcastic? I know of very, very few, if any, devoutly Christian men (or observant Jews) who engage in this kind of abuse. Such acts are absolutely contrary to our faiths and are roundly condemned.

A "Christian" who abuses women and children is not a real Christian and a "Jew" who does likewise is not observant of Judaism, whatever they may label themselves.

On the other hand, Islam is the only major world "religion" that does give divine sanction to abuse women and children. In fact, it promises its male followers a paradise of endless sex with submissisive females and little boys. These are the facts.

Posted by: Provoslavni [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 7:57 PM

islam has sanctioned wife beating and honour killings, men who do this and allow this to be done are weak minded miserable monsters. today l saw this muslim driving with his wife who was in a total shroud black on colour sitting in the back seat. l drove past him and gave him the royal salute.
only a confident man can deal with srong women. seems the reason why muslims are forever in the stone age, as they too busy trying beat up on their wives and children.

Posted by: Lulu [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 24, 2006 9:10 PM

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