It's a step in the right direction for the BBC. They've used the words 'terrorists' & 'Islamic' on the same page, though have not managed to link the two together yet.

Posted by: western infidel at April 30, 2006 7:28 AM

And they call themselves terrorist experts? I'm no terrorist "expert" but I know what drives these suicide bombers. Worrying really, isn't it.

Posted by: DaveMate at April 30, 2006 7:34 AM

The assumption behind "psychological profiling" - a technique that is not beyond criticism even when used for common or garden criminals - is that the suicide bombers are irrational. They are not; their behaviour perfectly rational for those who believe in Islam. Like Communists or Nazis, they are not insane but wrong. From the BBC website:

He identified four types of terrorist in the four young men who blew themselves and others up:

the entrepreneur
the protégé
the misfit
the drifter

There is a word missing in each of these four terrorist types, and that word is "Islamic". Entrepreneurs, protégés, misfits and drifters abound in all walks of life, most legal and harmless, some neither. It is when Islam is in the mixture that these "types" become dangerous.

They were also vulnerable to influence as they were not able to distinguish between moderate and more extreme branches of Islam and were drawn into "purer" forms from which the leap to violence was easier.

Careful, Beeb. Truth in danger of slipping out. Good job you put those scare quotes in.

Posted by: Interested at April 30, 2006 7:46 AM

It's so easy to say kamikaze pilots did their duties based on loyalty to the Emperor of Japan and Shinto beliefs. Everyone accepts that as a historical truism. Nobody ever claims they were insane.

Now switch to Islam. The exact opposite is true. But their actions are nearly identical.

When there's a well-known historical situation, almost perfectly analagous, it makes me wonder if they aren't just playing dumb to avoid punishment under EU and national laws which have poor Oriana Fallaci spending her valuable days in New York to avoid persecution.

Academics in Europe simply can't speak the truth, whether they know it or not.

Posted by: Beagle at April 30, 2006 8:24 AM

How can I get on the 'expert' payroll? All this time and they still can't figure it out? Jeez.

Posted by: John Sobieski at April 30, 2006 9:39 AM

If these "anti-terrorist experts" can't figure out why Muslims would become suicide bombers, perhaps they ought to turn to Jihad Watch/Dhimmi Watch and learn a few lessons (or, alternatively, get the sack). Aren't they aware of the promises of 72 virgins waiting for them in paradise for blowing themselves up? Don't they ever study what gets said in mosques and on Arab broadcasting stations? Did they actually learn anything at university? Don't they have any Arabic translators who can be trusted? There are plenty of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and atheists who escaped the Middle East, Iran, Pakistan etc who understand English, Persian, Urdu and Arabic, and would be able to give them the lowdown on the Islamic mindset. And as DaveMate said, it is worrying when we know what drives these terrorisrts but the supposedly-intelligent intelligence services, whose responsibility is to deal with such threats to our society, don't. And that isn't just a British problem - it is a global problem.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at April 30, 2006 9:43 AM

That professor said: "Psychological profiling is beguiling," he said. "Social profiling, looking at the social background, is more useful.

The definition of sociology: the study of people who don't need to be studied by people who do.

Posted by: Elephant at April 30, 2006 9:53 AM

The author of the article does not address the specific root causes that are found in the teachings of the Quran for some reason, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the experts here are not aware of the surahs that drive the suicide jihadists.

I think for the most part being Islamic may have been a somewhat forgone conclusion with the exception of those westerners, or anglos such as shoe bomber Richard Reeves that have made a conversion to Islam. The four types; the entrepreneur,the protégé,the misfit,the drifter certainly seem to make sence but just as well there have been many that have operated almost totally independent.

Their greatest problem is to be able to identify them and that is where the Islamic community comes in, if you can get cooperation within it of course.

In the past we have heard that family, and friends where supposively shocked to find out that family members where Identified as suicide bombers after the fact.

If there is to be cooperation from the Islamic community, than they themselves need to have the skills to be able to detect a certain kind of different behavior that may be occurring that is not a normal reflection of a friend or family member.

A list of what to watch for should be developed such as: 1. become suddenly very quiet 2. coming and going at strange hours 2. Friends or aquaintences that are not introduced to the family 3. possibly a change in clothing 4. Reading the Quran more than usual, Etc. But that would be what is required if the person is not publicly displaying his jihadist behavior openly to the community.

Of course this only address the local suicide bomber and not those that come in from other countries.

Posted by: Mackie at April 30, 2006 10:18 AM

Memo to the British experts: there's an elephant in the room and its name is "jihad."

Posted by: scaramouoche at April 30, 2006 10:48 AM

I think these so-called experts should try Googling for the answer.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at April 30, 2006 10:55 AM

This, and all other such solemn inquiries by "terrorism experts" are comical, or tragical, or both at once.

They are comical because the list of those they offer up of "kinds" of terrorists:

the entrepreneur
the protégé
the misfit
the drifter

These are very large categories indeed. Who could not be, at one time or another, described as a "misfit" if he does not fit into a pattern of complete and total success; who could not, at some time in his life, be described as a "protege" of some more powerful and seductive influence (presumably, in the case above, those who are the imparters of real Islam to others who fall under their spell). Who could not be described as an "entrepreneur" if that means.. well, means what? Perhaps it means an "entrepreneur" in the sense of one who exploits a situation for his own advantage. Could it mean someone who becomes a "terorrist" for financial or other worldly gain, rather than for those six dozen virgins waiting on the other side of that famous singles bar, the Pick-Up Styx? The point is, that such categories are so broad, that they could include almost everyone. And that's the point. Almost everyone, rich or poor, successful or unsuccessful, if a deep believer in the tenets of Islam, could become a terrorist or, at least as important, support and defend terrorists. All those parents who made the name "Osama" the most popular name in the Arab Muslim world after 9/11/2001, what are they? Are they "drifters" or "misfits" or "entrepreneurs" or "proteges"? Or are they just normal, Allah-fearing Muhammad-worshipping Muslims, exhibiting the attitudes that come naturally if you take your Qur'an and Hadith seriously?

That is why this solemn taxonomy is so telling -not because it is helpful, but because it isn't. Because it includes, in its categories, almost everyone at one time or another in their lives. Infidel "drifters" and "misfits" and "proteges" and "entrepreneurs," lacking the belief-system of Islam, are not a threat. But those who view the world through the prism of Islam, a prism that was handed to them often at birth, and through which others they know are also vieweing the world, teaches them, encourages them, reinforces in them at every step, to view that division between Believer and Infidel, as the one that matters, and to work, not always violently, but still to work, for the goal of spreading Dar al-Islam until Islam everywhere dominates.

That is the comical aspect.

2) The tragical aspect of these meetings of "terrorism experts" is that they focus attention not on the most effective and dangeorus weapons of Jihad -- demographic conquest, Da'wa, and the use of the "wealth" weapon to fund mosques, madrasas, and to buy armies of Western hirelings and to fund propaganda campaigns at the E.U., at the U.N., and within the individual countries of the Western world. Conferences on "terrorism" or even on "Islamic terrorism" miss much of the point about the Jihad, and reinforce the wrong idea that this is a "war on terror" which, if such were to be believed, would ignore the behavior of Muslims within Europe which, while not to the level of terrorism, have deeply unsettled, and caused changes to be made, in those European societies. Attacks on Western ideas of free speech, on Western ideas of freedom of consciene, on Western notions of the importance not of the collective but of the individual, are all now under permanent Muslim attack, and being undermined whenever Westerners refsue to defend them, or to recognize the superiority of their own civilization compared to that of Islam, which has been a political, economic, social, moral, and intellectual failure, a failure that we are not allowed to perceive or discuss, a failure that is hidden, in large part, only because of the accident of geology that has supplied ten trillion dollars since 1973 -- and as someone who spent years i in Saudi Arabia once said to me in summing up his experience, "money can buy everything -- except civilization."

Comical and Tragical.

Shakespeare has already been here:

"The best actors in the world, either for tragedy, comedy, history, pastoral, pastoral-comical, historical-pastoral, tragical-historical, tragical-comical-historical-pastoral...." says Polonius to Hamlet.

But Polonius in his listings merely rings the changes. The "terrorism experts" provide a telling example of the "comical-tragical."

A comedy of errors blending with a tragedy of terrors into a "comical-tragical" farce -- a farce that 'taint funny, McGee.

Posted by: Hugh at April 30, 2006 11:03 AM

If I can understand why there will always be a few individual Muslims shoved into the role of communal sacrifice for the purpose of "Fard Kifayah" (an obligation on the community as a whole,) why can't all these so-called experts?

Fard Kifayah is most akin to the sacrifices to Moloch by worshippers found in the area now known as Israel when the Israelites first came there. The pagan community would regularly offer up a child or two to their false god to be burned to death rolling down the statue's arms into its blazing oven belly.

"Fard Ayn" (obligatory upon everyone individually) is also a koranic obligation. But fard ayn is much more akin to Christian do's and don'ts.

The experts are missing this distinction.
There are two types of obligations on muslims.
One is a universal set of do's and don'ts but the other absolves whole communities via a single sacrifice. These are the suicide bombers.

Posted by: mean Gene at April 30, 2006 11:09 AM

It is dismaying that people who are paid well to know things, don't know them. In this case, the "experts" seem to be ignoramuses who don't know history, not even British history, which has certainly had plenty of relations with Muslim and Arab-Muslim powers.

Posted by: Eliyahu at April 30, 2006 11:12 AM

It is simply, Koran, Hadith, Koran, Hadith.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at April 30, 2006 11:29 AM

Perhaps the problem cant be understood because the continent is becoming so secular. How can these experts rationalize religious motivations when they themselves have left religion behind?

Time to reinvigorate the Church of England and get people back into the pews, the spirit of defense that drove the crusades movement might still be under the psychological surface somewhere.

Posted by: Dead Infidel Walking at April 30, 2006 11:35 AM

Asharq Alawsat News: Portrait of a Suicide Bomber. Islam is hardly mentioned.

Posted by: Shy Guy at April 30, 2006 11:38 AM

Beagle

Your comments about the kamikaze pilots and Islamic homicide bombers are right on. In fact there are many comparisons between the Nazis and Shinto Japanese in and leading up to World War II.

The enemy confronting the free world then used a ‘softening up’ process before the actual conflict started that was very successful in lulling the free world into hopeless inaction. This softening up process was used by Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan to great success. For when war finally came, the free world was caught unawares and at a dangerous disadvantage. The worldwide communist movement of the Cold War learned from Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan and used similar tactics to advance their ideology.

The two periods, the 1930s and today, and the softening up of the Free World as a prelude to war are in three primary areas. Infiltration, Intimidation and Disinformation. I have a blog that discuses this softening-up strategy and follows it in the daily news and blogesphere at http://the-gathering-storm.blogsource.com/ for those who are interested.

Posted by: WC at April 30, 2006 12:36 PM

I think, I devoutly hope, actually, that some people probably do know what drives Islamic terrorism - as we all do. It may not be possible for them to say what they think in a public forum. It might be, and I hope it is, quite interesting to eavesdrop on the conversations that take place away from the cameras and the reporters.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 30, 2006 12:38 PM

The British Experts should employ the genuine ex-Muslims to teach them about the real reason for the Muslims to undertake the task of suicide bombing. The number one reason,which these Experts fail to explore is the KORAN. Posted by sofia at April 30, 2006 11:52 AM

Posted by: Shy Guy at April 30, 2006 1:51 PM

"Psychological profiling is beguiling," he said. "Social profiling, looking at the social background, is more useful."

How about ideological profiling.

Posted by: Television at April 30, 2006 2:06 PM

" It may not be possible for them to say what they think in a public forum. " Quote from above...

necessitasnonhabetlegem;

If that is true, then they are as misleading to themselves and those who they speak to, as a follower of Islam can be.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at April 30, 2006 2:38 PM

sometimes the most educated people are the most stupid people. they make things too difficult, when its so plain and simple and stares at them to their faces, and even tells them why they do jihad. they need to return to childhood.

Posted by: Lulu at April 30, 2006 2:57 PM

Hugh writes: "Attacks on Western ideas of free speech, on Western ideas of freedom of conscience, on Western notions of the importance not of the collective but of the individual, are all now under permanent Muslim attack, and being undermined whenever Westerners refuse to defend them."

Hugh, the truth is worse than that. Westerners don't just "refuse to defend" those Western ideas. Rather, a highly vocal segment of Western opinion started ridiculing and undermining those ideas long before the Muslims started down their new jihad in 1979. This started the West down a path to acceptance of any and all foreign ideologies and cultures as at least as good (if not better) than their own.

Starting around 1960, Europe, then America, invented the concept of collective group rights. We didn't have to wait for Muslims to wave that banner. From the U.S. Government's definition of politically influential "protected classes" specially deserving of affirmative action favors, to Europe's passage of "hate speech" laws punishing people for expressing admittedly hateful opinions (such as Holocaust denial), individual rights were already being subordinated to collective and group rights long before the Shah fell in 1979. Our Western philosophers and elites opened the philosophical door and the Muslims are now marching straight through it, demanding the same group rights that they have seen others get already, and playing the same game of nibbling away at the bonds of society bit by bit that they have seen others do successfully.

I need not tell you what cynical contempt many Westerners have for their own society today, from the black militants and student radicals of the 1960s (who are now ensconced in our government and in academia and the mass media), to the multiculturalists of today. To whom Western civilization is always contained in quotes as if it's an embarrassment, and for whom they feel not pride but guilt or even shame.

Muslims didn't invent any of this. But they are moving rapidly to take advantage of it.

Posted by: Steven L. at April 30, 2006 3:02 PM

I couldn't agree with Steven L. more; if it weren't for this excessive self-criticism that has become a veritable -- indeed predominant -- culture in the West, the threat and moral regressiveness of Islam would have been generally recognized and analyzed long ago, even before 911. But coming on six years after 911 and after countless more eruptions of Islamic barbarity, and we are still on this ship of fools steering the wrong course...?

Posted by: Television at April 30, 2006 4:10 PM

Dear Islofob IS-1,

I meant that thanks to our dhimmi government it may no longer be legally possible for those who know to speak out in public. I am just hoping that they are getting the message across in private.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at April 30, 2006 4:12 PM

What you are witnessing here is endemic in Britain today. Our nation's ruling generation that came through the 1960's & 70's failed to grasp the painful lessons from the history books. Jaded by two world wars and the lingering guilt of it's former colonial conquests turned inward on itself, believing that in some way they were responsible for all the ills of the world. Today these same people now in the echelons of government and important civil institutions cannot see the perils that lay before them. These so-called 'experts' faced with the facts before them are unable to see the woods for the trees. Logic tells them the blindingly obvious but their conditioning says do not go there. Any mention of words associated with race, gender, sexuality and religion (with the exception of Christianity of course) are out of bounds. So it can be of no surprise to me that these people when presented with the overwhelming evidence before them draw a blank, instinctively knowing the alternative is a career in the public side of the employment office.

Posted by: western infidel at April 30, 2006 5:02 PM

British thinking about Arabs, Islam, and the Middle East is still affected by the legacy of Arnold Toynbee of the Royal Inst of Int'l Affairs, who, I believe, had tremendous influence. To a lesser extent, Christopher Mayhew, a trained psychological warfare expert, had a pro-Arab influence on British thinking. Perhaps the understanding that this phenomenon of pro-Arab, pro-Muslim thinking, of failure to see faults or guilt of Arabs or of Islam, has a relatively long history in the UK, would help people fight it.

And this phenomenon needs a name. I call it Toynbeeism.

Posted by: Eliyahu at April 30, 2006 5:42 PM

I call the phenomenon insanity.

Posted by: Lepanto at April 30, 2006 7:19 PM

WHY???????

Who cares , just stop the idiots from inciting murder and violence in Public under the guise of religious freedom and free-speech.
This isn't a case of little Timmy stealing a candy bar to get attention from his seperated parents or acting out after a spanking to get even, the root cause doesn't work in this example,it's not proverty, not lack of education, not lack of religious guidence, and not the break-up of the family unit.

The definitive link to all these jihadists and suicide bombers is the Quran and Muhammed , forget the PC crap of declaring the to be fake Muslims that perverted islam.
maybe they have it all correct and the Muslims in the West are all wrong.
I don't know enough about Islam to make a judgement call either way, I can only go by past behaviour and the collective action of the 1.2 billion followers of Muhammed and the Quran.

Posted by: ala-sux at April 30, 2006 7:27 PM

Perhaps they should go here and listen to the Mp3. It might answer their questions.

http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2006/04/an_explanation_.html

Posted by: brian_smaller at April 30, 2006 7:28 PM

If it quacks like a jihadist, walks like a jihadist, parrots the slogans of the jihadists, and does the work of The Jihad, it might be one.

And where are the marching orders but in the "Mein Koran".

And Table Talks in "The Hadiths."

As Sirhan Sirhan, a nominal 'Christian' (who went off the reservation into Theosophy in his final year, so his theology remains obscure) performed the work of The Jihad by assassinating "a Jew-helping Christian" in RFK, he became a de facto jihadist.

Whether of the "useful idiot" variety, or something politically deeper, is obscure.

(Maybe someone could write him in prison, and, in a simple way, just ask him.)

His type may be worth observing, before it becomes more common.

The Islamic Imperialist movement has been in resurgence since WWII [Grand Mufti, et al] , and only now is the Western Thinking Class waking to the intelligence manual that has been in the laps of any who dared read it.

"The Recitation" (primordial form behavioral re-programming/ hypnotic "reinforcement") of Mohammad.

What the Chinese Communists did in Korean P.O.W. camps is most similar is methodology for memory.

The al-Qur'an spells it all out.

All these whiz-bang experts need to do is track and scotch the most unstable true-believers of the most fundmental interpretations of the most murderous suras.

The rest of the wanna-be-'moderates' may get the chilling message as the homicidal Clerical Class gets put on ice, and might reform Islam into a post-Enlightenment metaphor. For their own salvation.

Or they could find themselves squeezed back onto "Reservation Mecca", where they would be forced to discover some spiritual/somatic self-control.

And maybe a little [teleological] humility.

NOT-VERY=SECRET SPY DIRECTIVE:

1) READ KORAN (and Hadiths).

2) WATCH ULTRA-MILITANT KORAN-QUOTING ACTIVISTS.

3) STOP THEIR VIOLENCE, BEFORE IT EXPLODES.

4) REPEAT, AND RINSE.

Posted by: profitsbeard at April 30, 2006 7:38 PM

Shy Guy:

That was a terrific interview, more people should see that video.

Posted by: Mackie at April 30, 2006 8:20 PM

Any 'experts' especially those recommended by Saudi suckling Dhimmis of BBC, and their 'comments' are about as useful as Tits on a Bull.

Posted by: Morgane at April 30, 2006 10:12 PM

Anyone who has done the least bit of research would know that according to all Islamic Law suicide, including suicide bombing is a major sin and a one way pass to hell not heaven. Sofia so much, "for the promise of Allah - 64 virgins,(audultary), wine,(drunkeness)Young boys with pearly teeth(homosexuality)unlimited foods(gluttony)." Anyway no one has to go to heaven if that's what they want, this has been going on since the days of the Greeks and Romans.

Sheikh Mohammad bin Uthaymeen, one of the most well-known scholars in Saudi Arabia, who died prior to the September 11 attacks said, “My opinion is that the subject is killing himself and that he will suffer in hell with what he killed himself with… It is extraordinary that they kill themselves despite God forbidding this. Many of them simply seek revenge from the enemy, irrespective of it being lawful or not. He seeks only to alleviate his anger.” This is also the opinion of Saudi Arabia’s Mufti Abdul Aziz Al Sheikh. However there are those who feel differently and go out and kill innocent people in the name of God, and sadly there's nothing new about it, it's been going on for hundreds of years long before Islam and well after Islam. What about those Cowboys and Indians? It's hard to believe that so-called men of God really believed that Indians and Africans didn't have souls and therefore had the God given right to civilize these heathen animals, to bring them to Christ for their own good. A group of Euro-American missionaries just opened a multi-million dollar church in the heart of Harlem to bring the word of God to African Americans, it's like a ghost from the past. Ironically the church is about a block away from an African American mosque that Malcolm X used to preach from.

Posted by: daddyphil at April 30, 2006 10:43 PM

If the so-called "experts" can't figure this out, it's time for some new blood; the security of the entire country is at stake. They should all recuse themselves on grounds of pathetic ignorance and crippling confusion caused by the debilitating effects of holy multiculturalism. All around the globe MUSLIMS are committing acts of terrorism, suicide attacks, and riots. They justify their heinous atrocities by invoking allah and Islam. Muslim clerics from Egypt to Houston and all points in between are encouraging muslims to join the jihad. This implies that RELIGION, namely Islam, just might be the culprit.

I would make a list of possible "causes" of suicide attacks. On that list would be every conceivable cultural/religious/political/socio-economic influence imaginable, because the "cause" has to lie in one or more of these areas. Certain types of destructive behavior, like addiction, are said to be hereditary. With all the incest and inbreeding that occur among muslims, maybe it is a genetic problem. Hate and violence certainly seem to be endemic among muslims. Desperate dilemmas call for desperate solutions and whatever it takes to find them, but the politically-correct, multiculturalist "experts" are too indoctrinated in cultural Marxism to pursue even the simplest, most logical conclusions.

This is such a beautiful example of what cultural Marxism does to the mind; it shuts it down! The Thought Police have crippled law enforcement at the highest levels.

Posted by: Susanp at April 30, 2006 11:47 PM

Susanp wrote, "With all the incest and inbreeding that occur among muslims, maybe it is a genetic problem. Hate and violence certainly seem to be endemic among muslims." Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. If you want hate and violence turn on American TV any night of the week or visit http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html and read about rape and incest. Every 2 minutes someone is being sexually assulted in America and that is down half from 1993. 40% are under the age of 18 and 80% are "white" and it's usually the husband, the father, the boyfriend or a relative. Maybe it is a genetic problem of "white" people. Just google incest and read about the history around the world, and you will also find numerous websites depicting incest and rape created right here in the good old US genetic problems America.

Posted by: daddyphil at May 1, 2006 1:54 AM

Daddyphil:

You Mohammedan appeaser?

Rape and incest in America is a crime and it is prosecuted. In Islamic countries the concept of 'honor killings' prevents the victim from getting justice.

When we switch on the TV or look at the news we usually tune in to the daily Mohammedan atrocities around the world.

The rest is entertainment. You worry about that?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 1, 2006 5:32 AM

daddyphil ...go away and find an ethics forum....no one disputes the stats there on that site but it is NOT an organised attack against a particular group demarcated by their LACK of a certain religion.

If Islam wins you will not be able to pop up on a forum like this with your garbage at all. You will be too busy being terrified, that is df you have not converted already.

Just think about it?

That is if you are NOT a muslim already.

Posted by: Zathras at May 1, 2006 5:43 AM

SusanP...daddyphil is too pre-occupied with his agenda here to be aware of the recent studies on the microcephaly gene rampant in arabic muslims from centuries of unbreeding. In fact going by his several posts here he may well be one of them.

Posted by: Zathras at May 1, 2006 6:01 AM

ooops ....make than "inbreeding"...unbreeding by muslims would be too much to expect. My apologies.

Posted by: Zathras at May 1, 2006 6:02 AM

I've been reading daddyphil's comments and he's a real gift at moral equivocation.

Lesser minds will adhere to the arguments he makes, critical thinking being mostly a thing of the past.

He compares a compilation video of death from all over the world to a religious belief system approving the ongoing slaughter of innocents.

Now he's on about fictional violence on TV being the equivalent of sanctioning it and punishing the victims in the Muslim world.

As Oriana Fallaci argued in The Force of Reason, intelligence is in short supply. daddyphil is what we are up against, so we'd better get used to walking people through the basic facts and pointing out the obvious reasons the two situations are not analagous.

Posted by: Beagle at May 1, 2006 6:06 AM

The Jihadis are shouting from every avenue available to them that the Jihad is mandatory - experts have no clue. Abu Hamza categorically states under oath(for whats that worth), that terrorism is ordered by allah and is in the koran, and not the defence but the prosecution denies it.

They say Denial is a river in Egypt. I think the source of the Denial is in the West.

Posted by: DP111 at May 1, 2006 8:08 AM

Correction

They say Denial is a river in Egypt. I think the source of Denial is in the West.

Posted by: DP111 at May 1, 2006 8:09 AM

Dominic

I read somewhere that New Labour is trying to get the blasphemy law for muslims on the statute books by stealth.

No criticism of islam at all, as muslims are the preferred people in Britain.

Posted by: DP111 at May 1, 2006 8:15 AM

I was wondering about these experts, I would think by looking at their definitions that they are experts in regards to Occidental terrorism, such as the IRA. One can always hope that they will start thinking out of their sandbox at this point.

Posted by: Daffersd at May 1, 2006 8:49 AM

Beagle~
On Fallaci -this from LGF
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As she points out, Article 261b was promulgated in order to permit Muslims “to win any ideological or private lawsuit by invoking religious racism and racial discrimination. ‘He-didn’t-chase-me-because-I’m-a-thief-but-because-I’m-a-Muslim.’ ” She’s also been sued in France, where suits against writers are routine now. She has had cases brought against her in her native Italy and, because of the European Arrest Warrant, which includes charges of “xenophobia” as grounds for extradition from one EU nation to another, most of the Continent is now unsafe for her to set foot in.

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from LGF
xenophobia is a crime with grounds for extradition in EU
xenophobia=fear of foreigners
fear = a crime in EU
fear of islam=a crime in EU

Qur'an 9:111"Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah's Cause, and slay others and are slain, they kill and are killed It is a promise binding on Him...
Qur'an 4:74 "Let those who fight in the Cause of Allah sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the Cause of Allah, whether he is slain or gets victory-soon shall We give him a great reward."
Bukhari "Allah's Apostle said 'Anyone whose feet get covered with dust in Allah's Cause will not be touched by the Hell Fire.'
Bukhari "Muhammad said, 'Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one of whom kills the other and both of them enter Paradise. One fights in Allah's Cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the killer who also get MARTYRED in Allah's Cause.

murder in islam=OK
suicide in islam =only OK if done in Allah's Cause.
suicide=go to Hell Fire, If done in Allah's Cause-not touched by the Hell Fire

Posted by: Borg at May 1, 2006 10:11 AM

Daddyphil doesn't realize that the crimes commited against children and women don't go unpunished in the civilized world. Only muslims can openly condone their crimes against humanity due to "it's in the koran". The muslim male's problem is he thinks he "owns" the women and children and have the "right" to sexually abuse or beat anyone they are kin to. Or have as slave. Or anyone not covered. Or anyone smaller and not as strong. Or not a muslim.

I don't believe the muslims will ever come into the 21st century and change their ways. Although they love our technology, they still believe they have 7th century barbaric rights.

It's such a shame. They will never know the feeling of freedom or intelligence.

Posted by: freewoman at May 1, 2006 10:57 AM

Freewoman said:"It's such a shame. They will never know the feeling of freedom or intelligence"

That is precisely what they are terrified of: an unstructured free world where choice and common sense rule, where women can say no and where Muslims are just another queer cult and not some fatalistic universe viewed throught the greentinted glasses of a long dead megalomaniac with added shading by his even less scrupulous successors.

Posted by: Zathras at May 1, 2006 11:55 AM

Because they're anti-terrorist experts, not TERRORIST experts.

Posted by: mustang65 at May 1, 2006 12:33 PM

Could it be brain washing at a very young age?

Posted by: mustang65 at May 1, 2006 12:48 PM

Reading this story -- and any story about terrorism and how Islam has nothing to do with it -- left me with an image in my mind. I see a group of experts scrambling to determine the origin of an elephant's footprint. The elephant is standing right there in front of them.

They ignore the elephant and hold conferences and meetings, after which they announce that they have no conclusive findings as to the origin of the elephant's footprint, although they've ruled out elephants.

Posted by: Darrell at May 1, 2006 5:20 PM

It seems that it takes an army of many to pick on one of me attributing things to me that I didn't even say.

And yes I know very well about the rapes in Holland as well as many other problems in Holland my sister lives there and constantly informs me about the issues and how she wishes that all the Arabs and the Turks would be sent back to their countries. Anyway you want to talk about Moroccans and rape don't even get me started about all of the half breeds in the US and the Americas as a result of Europeans raping their slaves. How many people of color lynched while kids and preachers looked on while having an enjoyable outing in the woods and taking pictures of the event which were used as postcards. Have any of these killers gone to jail? Perhaps that is too far in the past only 60 years ago, than go read the book, "Stolen Lives" http://stolenlives.org/

Speaking of postcards the French were major producers of postcards showing half naked teenage girls from Morocco and Algeria. Today collections of these cards are fetching high prices, I wonder who is collecting this stuff? The internet is full of rape and pedophilia websites, I guess the poor barbaric living in caves third world muslims are paying to look at this stuff? I guess the guys in the US military who are raping female members of the military are muslim. Rape is rape wether you go to jail or not it doesn't change what happened to the victim. You talk about honor killings, which has nothing to do with Islam but there are women being killed in Iraq because they have been raped by US soldiers just like young women were raped in Veitnam. Who many of those rapists went to jail. Please stop putting a spin on my non-intellegent words, why even bother if I am as supid as some of you claim that I am. You guys make me laugh with your jokes about me being a muslim and inbreed a genetic defect. I am far from being an Arab I can't stand so-called muslim fanatics and I am working with the human genome project and writing articles for major academic journals here in NYC. My name and picture has appeared in various magazines going back to 1986 so a lot of people must be as dumb as I am but than again Bush is Times' People of the Year.

Wake up people our country is going down the tubes. Did any of you watch the news today? Oh yea it's the Muslims before them it was the Russians and before them who knows and before that the Muslims, from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, that's before Pirates of the Caribbean. Did you know Morocco was the first country to recognize the sovereignty of the US? The National Archives has the letter writen in Arabic, which begins In the Name of Allah. Many of you Koran quoters are part of a long tradition which goes back to Jefferson who also read the Koran. Here's some food for thought all of you bigots, http://www.juancole.com/2005/05/is-bigotry-all-right-in-politics-john.html If nothing else it will illustrate that Muslims were here in America long before many of you folks. In fact Muslim slaves were high ticket items because many could read and write unlike so many Americans and true to jihadi mentality the first slave revolts were lead my Muslims. They were also the posterboys for the anti-slavery movement.

Posted by: daddyphil at May 1, 2006 11:40 PM

daddyphil,

you must be either juan cole himself or a perfect 'revert' to Mohammedanism. We have moved on, but Allahs soldiers are stuck in the 7th century. So are you, by the looks of it.

Your equivalencing sucks. So does your obfuscation, your 'academic' appeasement and all that eeky fakey "we do it too and we are no better but in fact we are worse so lets all just get cuddly with OBL & Zarqawi and all will be just fine...."

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 2, 2006 4:54 AM

daddyphil,

What you are writing above is clearly Muahmmedan propaganda, the same which we have seen many times here before. Did you use to post here as 'King tolerance?"

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 2, 2006 4:58 AM