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Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald pleads again for an end to the jizyah payments made by Western states to the Palestinians and others:
Saudi Arabia alone takes in nearly $1 billion a day. Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, and the other seven Muslim or Muslim-ruled states in OPEC -- ten of the eleven fall into that category -- could with a snap of one Al-Saud princeling's finger pay the $55 million monthly that Arabs have already pledged to the Hamas government -- or ten times, or fifty times, that, if they cared to do so. But they don't. They want to make sure that the Infidels keep paying, and that no Infidel gets it into his head that the rich Muslims should pay for the poorer Muslims, especially when those poorer Muslims can only survive on a permanent dole, for they are where they are, in the condition of economic paralysis that they are, because they choose to be. They are encouraged by all the Arabs and Muslims to be nothing more than the shock troops of the Lesser Jihad against Israel.It is madness for Infidels, who are now spending hundreds of billions of dollars in the Muslim world, to continue to pay what is a Jizyah. (The figure for the American taxpayers alone, in Iraq alone, is now close to $400 billion -- if we include as sunk costs that of treatment for wounded veterans and replacement of desert-degraded equipment.) Aid to the “Palestinians” is not sort of, or kind of, a Jizyah. It is a classic Jizyah. It is payment from Infidels to Muslims, who take the money in a spirit not of gratitude, but as of right, and are infuriated that the Infidels would dare not to continue such payments wherever they have been instituted. Just look at the howls of indignation over the past few months from the Hamas government and from other "Palestinians," other Arabs, and from their supporters and collaborators all over Europe -- such people as Alistair Crooke, the former British agent who became such an enthusiastic supporter, cheerleader, praiser and promoter of Hamas.
The West has got to kick the Jizyah habit. It is absurd that hundreds of billions are spent to counteract, however clumsily, the Jihad by attempting to create this impossible dream of Iraq the Model, Iraq the Light Unto the Muslim Nations. It is absurd that the West risks lives all over Afghanistan to make that country safe for non-Taliban Muslims who would, nonetheless, condemn an apostate to death, and who have no love for Infidels at all. And on top of that the entire Western world now must spend gigantic sums, everywhere, and permanently, to secure churches, synagogues, Hindu temples, Buddhist temples, airports, metro stations, railroads and railroad stations, sea ports, bridges, government buildings, brave and outspoken political figures (see Geert Wilders, see Ayaan Hirsi Ali), all because of the Muslim presence in those countries.And yet, on top of it, the long-suffering Western taxpayers are now asked to support the shock troops of the Jihad against Israel -- the so-called "Palestinian people," even though the billions (and where did those billions go? And why does Sura Arafat apparently have hundreds of millions of dollars in her Parisan possession?) that simply disappeared when Arafat died have yet to be recovered? Why are Infidels supporting Muslim states or people anywhere, when those same Muslim states and people by their behavior and clearly expressed attitudes of menace and hate are costing hundreds of billions -- and at the same time, through no effort on their own part, the rich Arabs have been, and continue to be, the recipients of the largest transfer of wealth in human history?
Our goal, the Infidel goal, should be to diminish that Arab and Muslim "money" weapon that helps fund the Jihad. One way is to reduce the sums received. Another way is to make sure that claims to part of that money is made, and made noisily, by the poor Arabs and Muslims. Let the rich Muslims share their wealth with fellow members of that supposed umma al-islamiyya. Let them pay for the "Palestinian" Arabs. Psychologically it is important to break the notion that we Infidels owe them, owe any Muslims, a thing. We don't. And if we can cause a little internecine rancor, as usually happens when the donor does not give the donee what he think he deserves, being never quite satisfied, and the donor in turn becomes more and more enraged at the seeming ingratitude of the donee, with his hand perennially out, and if both donor and donee are Arab Muslims, won't the ensuing and permanent bad feeling (Arafat, to extract money from rich Arabs, made all kinds of threats) isn't that a good thing for Infidels? Don't Infidels need to buy time, and don't they wish for dissension and division in the camp of Islam? Or are they convinced, in the Bush manner, that they are still merely fighting a "war on terror" that has little to do with the tenets or promptings or attitudes that Islam contains or fosters?
No Jizya. Not to Hamas, and not to the "Palestinians" who may not prefer to the Fast Jihad of Hamas the Slow Jihad of Abbas. Not to any Muslim state or people. The Saudis (and the Arabs in the United Arab Emirates, and Kuwait, and many other Muslim oil states, including Iran) can take care of them. They have plenty of money.
Let the "Palestinians" ask the Saudis. Let all the poor Muslims ask the Saudis and other rich Arabs. And whether the answer is a Yes or a No, Infidels will be the winners. That's it.
Posted by Robert at May 8, 2006 8:51 AM
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Aren't the muslims supposed to give aid to their own brethren???? We absolutely MUST stop sending these irresponsible savages money.
Posted by: freewoman
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at May 8, 2006 10:31 AM
If they do this then how can they finance the mosques being built in the US and Europe? Matter of priorities. Life is not a priority in Islam.
Posted by: JanuaryMan at May 8, 2006 10:41 AM
"It is payment from Infidels to Muslims, who take the money in a spirit not of gratitude, but as of right, and are infuriated that the Infidels would dare not to continue such payments wherever they have been instituted."
Well, at least they're consistent. Any land ever touched by a Muslim foot is Muslim land forever and ever. So why shouldn't any payments ever made to a Muslim pocket continue forever and ever? After all, Muslims and are entitled to it all, monetarily as well as geographically. What's so hard to understand about that?
Posted by: perpster at May 8, 2006 11:21 AM
I agree Sofia, and we only have taken enough abuse from these mohammedon countries and it's time for a little down home upbringing.
First, no more money. If other mohammedon countries want to support the lazy, crazy people, so be it. I don't think it would last long if it interferes with the lifestyle of the rich and depraved.
Second, let them hit rock bottom. Starve if they have to. Or if they choose to do away with each other, so be it.
We have to let them suffer, see what being mohammedon gets them, suffer some more, get rid of the manical government, suffer some more, get rid of imams and mosques.... then maybe ease up with a little donations of food, water, medical supplies. NO MONEY.
I think this is the only way to get their attention. As long as they are well fed and well armed, they aren't going to listen to reason.
Posted by: freewoman at May 8, 2006 12:17 PM
On an only slightly related note, does anybody know of a site that lists moslem owned businesses and/or businesses that trade with moslems or moslem businesses. In my case I am interested in the UK and Europe but worldwide would be useful.
I would rather not spend my hard earned money with a moslem owned business or a business that supported moslems or their businesses. I now see that as a type of jizyah.
If there isn't such a site would anyone like to help me build one. Technically speaking I don't know how to but I could learn - I think.
I have stopped using my nearest corner shop because it is moslem owned. It's only another two minutes walk to the next one which is jointly Hindu and Christian owned. The extra two minutes walk in the fresh air is probably good for me anyway.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at May 8, 2006 12:54 PM
Check Muslim websites. They often list "Muslim businesses" geographically. These are a small number, because many will be wary of being listed. They realize that such a listing can make them attractive for Muslims to patronize. And others to un-patronize. So far the number of those who might un-patronize is larger.
Posted by: Hugh at May 8, 2006 1:29 PM
This is supposed to be the UK version of islamicfinder.
http://www.salaam.co.uk/index.php
at May 8, 2006 1:36 PM
how come these Europeans who always want to be so humane can't spare a few euros for their own homeless and hungry, whom I saw on my recent trip to Paris waiting in line at an outdoor soup kitchen on Boulevard Richard Lenoir?
Dominic, you know, finding a non-Muslim owned business in the UK might be getting harder as Dubai seems to be buying up all sorts of capital and income-producing properties. Kuwait, I believe, owns part of Mercedes.
Last. I think this claim of a great economic crisis in the palestinian authority zones is much inflated, and deliberately so, including by the UN officials on site. Actually, in my view, the Arabs in the PA zones seem to be in more danger from shooting skirmishes between Fatah and Hamas and other Arab/Muslim factions, than from hunger. One skirmish took place today in Gaza. At least Hamas warrior was killed.
As to their economic status, my wife was at a shopping mall today with a very heavy attendance of Arab shoppers [albeit most or all of them may have been Jerusalem residents].
at May 8, 2006 3:07 PM
Ask the Saudis?!
Do you have any idea what a gold-plated airport costs?! Think about the "royals" (term used VERY loosely). Do you think that their lifestyle is cheap?
Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at May 8, 2006 4:04 PM
"Do you think that their [the Saudi] lifestyle is cheap?"
-- from a posting above
No. And Infidels everywhere should, in recognition of just how expensive that "lifestyle" is, salute, for separating the Saudis and other rich Arabs from some of their allowance, so many people. Yes, we should thank the croupiers at Monte Carlo and, more generally, the Societe des bains de mer de Monaco. We should thank Steve Wynn, and Kirk Kirkorian, and the ghosts of Howard Hughes and Bugsy Siegel, and all the rest of the boys at Las Vegas. We should thank, we Inifidels, those behind Crockford's in London, and those in the horse-racing business, who got the Maktoums hooked.
And not just the alea-jacta-est crowd, but also those involved in similar-sounding but quite different activities, where you always come out a winner. Thank Heidi Fleiss, and Madame Claude, and all their employees, and so many others who prefer to remain nameless. Yes, its true that the taste is universal, true that Jacques Chirac himself is helping pay the way through school of three call-girls whose services he requires simultaneously. American and other Western businessmen, whether just a few years out of management programs at Harvard Business School or Fontainebleau, or decades older, and closer to the age of retirement, when they so often start to feel that creative urge, and order their staffs to start combing old books to find banalities suitable for framing, "management rules" that can be labelled as "The Rules of One-Minute Management, or How to Run a Whole Company On Only Twenty-Four Hours a Day" have been known to relax after a busy day of financial murders and acquisitions to relax in the way noted above. But it is the Saudi princes and princelings, and others from the (Persian, Arabian -- choose one) Gulf who really keep those girls in business, and the amounts of money that are spent that way, and at the gambling tables, and for all those luxury goods at Ferrari, at Boeing and Learjet, at Bulgari, at Van Cleef & Arpels, at Cartier, should delight all of us. Iinfidels everywhere owe Monte Carlo, Las Vegas, Madame Claude; we owe the most grasping establishments on the Via Condotti, Rodeo Drive, rue du Faubourg Saint-Honore, Fifth Avenue, Jermyn Street, a debt of gratitude. How can we ever repay you?
No, that Saudi "lifestyle" isn't cheap. Thank god they have champagne tastes for everything, including champagne -- expressed by the methuselah, by the nebuchadnezzar.
at May 8, 2006 5:22 PM
For many happy years I remained ignorant the
West WAS PAYING THE PALESTINIANS TO BREED FAMILIES OF 13-14 CHILDREN;ALSO INDIRECTLY FUNDING SUICIDE BOMBERS AGAINST ISRAEL. Who could believe the West would be so stupid...
To flaky Leftists and 'Human Rights Brigade', I want point out the Dire Warning of KOSOVO-the Albanians have huge families to win land by outbreeding any other ethnic group-NEXT STEP IS TO CLAIM ALL THE LAND!
Agree 100% with Hugh :CUT OFF THE JIZYAH NOW.
at May 8, 2006 6:26 PM
If the rich Arab nations help out the Palestinians, they may get a descent standard of living and they won't hate the US as much.
Posted by: baraka66 at May 8, 2006 7:14 PM
For many happy years I remained ignorant the
West WAS PAYING THE PALESTINIANS TO BREED FAMILIES OF 13-14 CHILDREN;ALSO INDIRECTLY FUNDING SUICIDE BOMBERS AGAINST ISRAEL. Who could believe the West would be so stupid...
No, West is not stupid. After all Robert, Hugh, you and I are in the West. So, who is stupid? Congress, White House. Condi, Karen, Muller and finally Dubya! They are fools....... And as if that was not bad enough, the fools are corrupt too.
Posted by: Alert at May 8, 2006 9:47 PM
The Saudis don't like the Palestinians. I think that no Muslim nation does. Perhaps, ironic as it may seem, the only ones who treat the Palestians as human beings are the Jews, NOT the Muslims.
Posted by: Crusader at May 9, 2006 2:53 AM
I taught a pig to fly once. My bull hog Ibn learned to soar, but he was a troubled soul. The chick pigs never could accept the freakish bat wings that I had genetically engineered to extend from along his spine.
MO HIJABS MO LAND GRABS MO SOMALI CABS MO SURAH NINE BACK STABS MO MEAT SLABS
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 9, 2006 5:44 AM
I taught a pig to fly once. My bull hog Ibn positively learned to soar. But Ibn was a troubled soul cuz the chick pigs never could accept the freakish bat wings that I had genetically engineered to extend from along his spine.
MO HIJABS MO LAND GRABS MO ABYSSINIAN CABS MO KORAN STABS MO MEAT MO
And so, yes, the 20th century professors, a corrupt lot, also taught the Arabians how to think critically. Yeah, that's right. But not real critically, just critically enough quit the self-congratulation and to get lucid long enough for some serious finger-wagging during intensive political economy planning sessions.
The day the oil runs out, the Saudis will be landing their Gulfstream 550s onto the Eurabian tarmac, replenished by full ownership of the very substantial engineering, manufacturing, and logistical assets of that star-crossed continent.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 9, 2006 5:52 AM
I agreee with virtually every post here. Let the Palestinians ask Saudi Arabia for help. Alone the financial table scraps from the likes of the Sheiks who live and rule there would be more money than we could consider to put together. But here's the hitch: the Saudis don't want to help the Palestinians. Practically every arab / muslim nation in the region has always treated the palestinians like poor, unwanted cousins, and not until israelis (jews) started growing grapefruits the size of basketballs did we start to hear the cry of "poor palestine, poor palestine." Even the name PALESTINE has absolutely nothing to do with the arab world. This is the name that the roman conquerers decided to give to the captured territory of Israel 2000 years ago, a sort of humiliation for the jews of that time. What distinguises a palestinian from a jordanian? from a saudi? from a quatari? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. No distinction in dialect, in diet, in general appearance or taste in the arts. Palestinians are simply arabs who were living on this strip of land that has been conquered so many times that practically 1/2 of the world could lay claim to it.
No, I see no reason to spend even one dollar or one Euro - not even for humanitarian aid. Do you honestly think the money will get to those who need it? NO. I say: starve the criminal bastards who are the HAMAS out of office. Let the palestinian people know that they made their bed, and now they must lie in it. I remind you, the same palestinians who went out into the streets in a spontaneous outpouring of joy on Sept. 11, 2001, rejoicing in our tragedy. So, they are NOT our friends.
I can tell you with great certainty that a huge number of germans are starting to look at their immigration problems in a whole new way. Merkel is doing a good job of turning the sozio-fuzzy crap, which is nothing more than sheep's clothing for the welfare state, around. It will take time, but if she stays in office long enough, it will happen. How can you integrate people who don't want to integrate? How can you communicate with people who are not interested in learning your language? Why should you reach out a hand of understanding to someone who has a sword pointed at your throat? That being said, I would not rail too hard on the europeans, they after all do sit in the same boat as we do, but are rather on the front lines of immigration waves out of the muslim world. Alone the illegal immigration must be in the 100,000s per year. It is just as hard to control every inch of the european union's border as it is to control every inch of our US border.
Personally, I am sick to death of the word 'palestinian'. Such an itty, bitty folk does not deserve to make it into the headlines every day, and I can assure you, if the struggle were not against jews (Israel), then we would never have heard the word 'palestine' and if the world was not so hooked on oil, then we would not be cowtowing to saudis who currently own what, about 1/8 of the USA....
But one day the oil is going to run out, and on this day all of the nations who were influential because of their oil wealth will no longer have a word to say. Bush is absolutely right - get off oil. Incidentally, Carter said exactly the same thing 27 years ago. So it is not a matter of party, it is a matter of common sense.
Honestly, if we could find another planet, let's all move there and leave the fine civilized muslims here on this ball of mud...
Posted by: bonncaruso at May 9, 2006 8:21 AM
I wish I had more information to pass on at this moment, but I read in last week's Canadian Jewish News about a documentary film by a former Torontonian that dealt with the cultivation of Palestinian children being groomed for "martyrdom" that won an award from some UN body. The point is that the "suffering" is so self-inflicted. Political solutions have been held out to the "Palestinians" for so long and, like spoiled children spurning healthful foods, because they want junk food, they've rejected all out of hand, then go boo-hoo-hooing to anyone who will listen about their hardships.
As for the jizya payments stopping and Saudi Arabia picking up the slack, nobody said it better than Anwar Sadat: "They weep crocodile tears over the blood of the sons of Egypt and raise the price of oil."
Posted by: waterdragon52 at May 9, 2006 8:33 AM
American foreign policy at its finest, and most absurd.
We are literally paying Muslims to cut our throats.
Does anyone besides me see the insanity in this?
Bring our tax dollars home. We have proven we can't buy friends or allies.
So, Mr Bush and Condie ... Knock it off.
You have made as big a mess as you can in Israel as it is. Don't keep paying a jizya to anyone.
There is a famous saying that ends in... "but not one cent in tribute."
If anyone knows the entire quote, could you send GW and Condie a copy? Thanks.
at May 9, 2006 1:40 PM
To Morgane:
U are more than right. The one of the resaons for our hatred toward albanians is simple fact that after retaking Kosovo (in 1912-after half millenia of its demise), we invest so much money in it. Kosovo was poorest region in Serbia cos it was last to be liberated from turks, and their way of managin bussiness. Even then we were absolut majority. But since communist advent on power, government was slowely given to Albanians. That off course, doesnt mean that we case to pour our money into Kosovo (to be honest, it was also other republics who also donate). Off course, that means nothing to them, and on a stories of their ancient ilirian origin and islamic faith, they finally got it. Now, I see that many of U realise the same effect of Kosovo sindrom in your countries, but that will last untill someone like robert dont grasp a presidential seat and start think like pope Urban II. Othervise there will be little effect of that.
P.S.: I hope that america will one day show to islam what they deserve, and I just hope that even then, there will be no grater power to smac you in the head for that.
P.S. : Note that albanian tactics agains us is actualy the same:
A: If someone else have some land, that because it was unjustly taken from them erlier. It is thus obliggation for any muslim to RETAKE it. (Lucky U americans, cos U are discovered in 15 c.-after so many hadits)
B: There should be no other religion than islam. (So far we serbs know, we were never in war with albanians since they decide to dump catholicism and grasp islam (just for beneficions among Turks)).
C: The best way to defeat the enemy is overbreeding. Thus he will be simply overwhelmed. (Its actualy like our serbian joke for chinesse: china made new secret war plan-if someone attack them, three million chinesse will instantly surrender)
:)
at May 10, 2006 7:59 AM
Death of a thousand cuts. They are using the "palistinians" as a tool to bleed us.
-bled at the gas pump
-bled at payday via tax that goes to unwarranted welfare
-bled by liberal,sacrosanct do-gooders who do not follow the money
-bled by oily politicians
if only we had a good graphic that the general public would understand.
Posted by: seeker at May 10, 2006 6:14 PM
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