the different colors for the dhimmis in Muslim society are noted in the Arabian Nights Tales [1001 Nights], especially I believe, in the tale of the ensorcelled prince.

Posted by: Eliyahu at May 19, 2006 9:20 AM

Is something else happening. Are there conversions out of Islam into Zoroastrian? I've heard there was an uptick in these. There has been a huge uptick with heroin as well in the past several years. It will be interesting to see the civil strife unfurled over the next few years.

Posted by: biorabbi at May 19, 2006 9:21 AM

How are people like Jimmy Carter and Noam Chomsky going to explain this away? How is Naomi Klein going to find some way to blame this on globalization and the evils of capitalism? How are the legions of Islamic apologists going to square this circle? Will nothing wake up the many naive fools who live in this world?

Posted by: Mentat at May 19, 2006 9:34 AM

Iran is heading the Nazi way. I hope the minorities fight back before a genocide.

Im concerned with Ahmadinejad's visit to Asian Muslim countries, he would strongly encourage these countries to follow his lead.

How is it possible for a Islamic country to impose such laws where its considered to incite religius hatred to non-muslims, where the muslims in the west are enjoying the fruits of the west?

What happened to the concept of 'Muhibah' where all races & religions could live togather in peace?

I remember in austrailia where the muslims claimed to be harrased & ridiculed & the goverment swiftly protected them. And this is how the muslims across the world pay them back?

Posted by: tjwork at May 19, 2006 9:34 AM

Imagine if we made muslims wear special colored badges. They would be burning down the KFC in Islamabad again.

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at May 19, 2006 9:40 AM

Mentat~

They just won't acknowledge it. At all.

Posted by: Borg at May 19, 2006 9:54 AM

Or just say that the koran is being misinterpreted again.

In this case that may hold water. Does the koran, hadith, etc.. mention anywhere distinguishing clothing. Someone should post the reference.

I'm still waiting for the reference that the Taliban are using to forbid education for girls, also.

Posted by: Borg at May 19, 2006 9:57 AM

It begs the question; what color will atheists, and agnostics, wear?

Uniform dress is typical for prison inmates, so I suppose it's equally suitable for a population imprisoned by this primitive ideology.

Posted by: Xero G at May 19, 2006 10:04 AM

Has the U.N. taken notice? Probably wouldn't make any difference to them. History is starting to repeat itself. Are our leaders going to let it happen again and get out of hand, or put a stop to it while it's in it's beginning phase?

They can't deny what's happening..stop it now!

Posted by: freewoman at May 19, 2006 10:04 AM

One justification I read for the Hindu badge or dress in Afghanistan (I can't remember which it was) during the Taliban, was that it was out of consideration for them, so they would be harrassed about going to prayers, or made to fast during Ramadan, among other things. And I've got a bridge for sale.

Indeed, it's more likely the Nazis got their inspiration from the muslims.

Posted by: Silvester at May 19, 2006 10:05 AM

Iran should let the Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians migrate out of Iran. However, the difference in clothing would be useful if Iran needed to be invaded by the West.

Posted by: Abby at May 19, 2006 10:05 AM

Sorry, above should read 'so they would *not* be harassed..'

Posted by: Silvester at May 19, 2006 10:06 AM

Here is a link to my article, What is the Shariah? You will notice that non-Muslims "... are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar)."
As well, please find posted below, the relevant section regarding the Dhimma which outlines the Shafi Mahdhab's legal view of the matter:

http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/21475

12. Non-Muslim subjects (Ahl al-Dhimma) of a Muslim state are subject to a series of discriminatory laws – “dhimmitude”

pp. 607-609

o11.0 NON-MUSLIM SUBJECTS OF THE ISLAMIC STATE (AHL AL-DHIMMA)

o11.1 A formal agreement of protection is made with citizens who are:

(1) Jews;
(2) Christians;
(3) Zoroastrians;
(4) Samarians and Sabians, if their religions do not respectively contradict the fundamental bases of Judaism and Christianity;
(5) and those who adhere to the religion of Abraham or one of the other prophets (upon whom be blessings and peace).

o11.2 Such an agreement may not be effected with those who are idol worshippers (dis: o9.9 (n:)), or those who do not have a Sacred Book or something that could have been a Book.

(A: Something that could have been a book refers to those like the Zoroastrians, who have remnants resembling an ancient Book. As for the pseudoscriptures of cults that have appeared since Islam (n: such as the Sikhs, Baha’is, Mormons, Qadianis, etc.), they neither are nor could be a Book, since the Koran is the final revelation (dis: w4).)

o11.3 Such an agreement is only valid when the subject peoples:

(a) follow the rules of Islam (A: those mentioned below (o11.5) and those involving public behavior and dress, though in acts of worship and their private lives, the subject communities have their own laws, judges, and courts, enforcing the rules of their own religion among themselves);
(b) and pay the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya).

THE NON-MUSLIM POLL TAX

o11.4 The minimum non-Muslim poll tax is one dinar (n: 4.235 grams of gold) per person (A: per year). The maximum is whatever both sides agree upon.

It is collected with leniency and politeness, as are all debts, and is not levied on women, children, or the insane.

o11.5 Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and indemnity of life, reputation, and property. In addition, they:

(1) are penalized for committing adultery or theft, though not for drunkenness;
(2) are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar);
(3) are not greeted with “as-Salamu alaykum”;
(4) must keep to the side of the street;
(5) may not build higher than or as high as the Muslims’ buildings, though if they acquire a tall house, it is not razed;
(6) are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feastdays;
(7) and are forbidden to build new churches.

o11.6 They are forbidden to reside in the Hijaz, meaning the area and towns around Mecca, Medina, and Yamama, for more than three days (when the caliph allows them to enter there for something they need).

o11.7 A non-Muslim may not enter the Meccan Sacred Precinct (Haram) under any circumstances, or enter any other mosque without permission (A: nor may Muslims enter churches without their permission).

o11.8 It is obligatory for the caliph (def: o25) to protect those of them who are in Muslim lands just as he would Muslims, and to seek the release of those of them who are captured.

o11.9 If non-Muslim subjects of the Islamic state refuse to conform to the rules of Islam, or to pay the non-Muslim poll tax, then their agreement with the state has been violated (dis: o11.11) (A: though if only one of them disobeys, it concerns him alone).

o11.10 The agreement is also violated (A: with respect to the offender alone) if the state has stipulated that any of the following things break it, and one of the subjects does so anyway, though if the state has not stipulated that these break the agreement, then they do not; namely, if one of the subject people:

(1) commits adultery with a Muslim woman or marries her;
(2) conceals spies of hostile forces;
(3) leads a Muslim away from Islam;
(4) kills a Muslim;
(5) or mentions something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam.

o11.11 When a subject’s agreement with the state has been violated, the caliph chooses between the four alternatives mentioned above in connection with prisoners of war (o9.14).

Posted by: Mentat at May 19, 2006 10:10 AM

Silvester,

Theres some evidence that proves Nazism could have come from the islamic idealogy. Numerous photographs that prove these muslim leaders meeting adolf, musolini, arafat ++. these guys later found the OIC.

Lets look at the striking similarities between islam & nazism.

1. Both believe that their race/religion is the best & the people more superior then others.

2. Both prosecute gays.

3. Both find ways to get rid of communism & etc.

4. Both accused jews of ruling the world & decided to terminate them.

5. Both has intimidation method to harass other races/religions (now with the badges)

Posted by: tjwork at May 19, 2006 10:16 AM

Xero G~ Perfect analogy.

Posted by: Borg at May 19, 2006 10:25 AM

Atheists and Agnostics would have already gotten the hell out of there. If they are smart.

Posted by: Borg at May 19, 2006 10:26 AM

"Iran eyes badges for Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians"

Some of the above groups might elect to wear a tabard, prominently emblazoned with a red cross. Is this what the Ummah would like to see?

Posted by: Chatillon at May 19, 2006 10:35 AM

Mentat

My office mate here in the UK is Jewish, of Eastern European descent, lost relatives in the Shoah, and has the following characteristics:

- watches and listens to BBC news
- reads The Guardian
- drives a French family van
- goes to France on holidays
- has numerous friends and colleagues who are socialists or Marxists
- participates in anti-war rallies
- sympathizes with the Palestinian Arabs as a dispossessed and oppressed people
- believes that Israel is a colonial and anachronistic power
- supports a boycott against Israeli academics and institutions
- is oblivious to the 1,350 years of Islamic bloodlust, conquest, and subjugation of other cultures, faiths, and countries

This development is not even on his radar screen.

Posted by: Charles Martel at May 19, 2006 11:04 AM

The Fourth Reich is so begging to be destroyed.
If this does get the U.S. going, they 'll probably start building concentration camps.

And I thought Kim Yong Il was a nut ...

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at May 19, 2006 11:06 AM

Should be:
"If this does NOT get the U.S. going"

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at May 19, 2006 11:09 AM

Mentat~

That is a great link.

What I am curious about -

(2) are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar);

I notice these regulations, which I have read before in Mr. Spencer's books and other books, though accepted by the most religious, don't seem to reference why they are accepted, at least in the treatment of dhimmis.

So much for the Taliban being extremist. They seem to be following the book, Reliance of the Traveler, exactly.

And this is what westernized muslims are hoping for? IF IT IS THEY CAN'T STAY.

Posted by: Borg at May 19, 2006 11:14 AM

FNC is talking about this right now. Mark Ginsberg just said do "tit for tat". Make Iranians wear them when they leave their country. The Iranian leaders say this is so muslims know who they are shaking hands with and won't be contaminated by them. Riiight.

Posted by: freewoman at May 19, 2006 11:22 AM

FNC link?

Posted by: Borg at May 19, 2006 11:31 AM

Charles Martel:

Dennis Prager explains the self-hating Jew:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22199

Explaining Jews, Part V: Why Are Jews Liberal?
By Dennis Prager
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 25, 2006

The most frequently asked question I receive from non-Jews about Jews is, why are Jews so liberal?

The question is entirely legitimate since Jews (outside of Israel) are indeed overwhelmingly liberal and disproportionately left of liberal as well. For example, other than blacks, no American group votes so lopsidedly for the Democratic Party. And the question is further sharpened given that traditional Jewish values are not leftist. That is why the more religiously involved the Jew, the less likely he is to be on the Left. The old saw, "There are two types of Jews -- those who believe Judaism is social justice and those who know Hebrew," contains more than a kernel of truth.

In no order of importance, here are six reasons:

1. Judaism is indeed preoccupied with social justice (as well as with holiness and personal morality), and many Jews believe that the only way to achieve a just society is through leftist policies.

2. More than any other major religion, Judaism has always been preoccupied with this world. The (secular) Encyclopedia Judaica begins its entry on "Afterlife" by noting that "Judaism has always affirmed belief in an afterlife." But the preoccupation of Judaism has been making this world a better place. That is why the Torah (the Five Books of Moses) is largely silent about the afterlife; and it is preoccupied with rejecting ancient Egyptian values. That value system was centered on the afterlife -- its bible was the Book of the Dead, and its greatest monuments, the pyramids, were tombs.

3. Most Jews are frightened by anything that connotes right-wing -- such as the words "right-wing" and "conservative." Especially since the Holocaust, they think that threats to their security emanate from the Right only. (It is pointless to argue that Nazism stood for National Socialism and therefore was really a leftist ideology. Whether that is theoretically accurate doesn't matter; nearly everyone regards the Nazis as far Right, and, therefore, Jews fear the Right.) The fact that the Jews' best friends today are conservatives and the fact that the Left is the home of most of the Jews' enemies outside of the Muslim world have made little impact on Jews' psyches.

4. Liberal Jews fear most religion. They identify religion -- especially fundamentalist religion and especially Christianity -- with anti-Semitism. Jews are taught from birth about the horrors of the Holocaust, and of nearly 2,000 years of European, meaning Christian, anti-Semitism. They therefore tend to fear Christianity and believe that secularism guarantees their physical security. That is what animates the ACLU and its disproportionately Jewish membership, under the guise of concern with the Constitution and "separation of church and state" (words that do not appear in the Constitution), to fight all public expressions of Christianity in America.

5. Despite their secularism, Jews may be the most religious ethnic group in the world. The problem is that their religion is rarely Judaism; rather it is every "ism" of the Left. These include liberalism, socialism, feminism, Marxism and environmentalism. Jews involved in these movements believe in them with the same ideological fervor and same suspension of critical reason with which many religious people believe in their religion. It is therefore usually as hard to shake a liberal Jew's belief in the Left and in the Democratic Party as it is to shake an evangelical Christian's belief in Christianity. The big difference, however, is that the Christian believer acknowledges his Christianity is a belief, whereas the believer in liberalism views his belief as entirely the product of rational inquiry.

The Jews' religious fervor emanates from the origins of the Jewish people as a religious people elected by God to help guide humanity to a better future. Of course, the original intent was to bring humanity to ethical monotheism, God-based universal moral standards, not to secular liberalism or to feminism or to socialism. Leftist Jews have simply secularized their religious calling.

6. Liberal Jews fear nationalism. The birth of nationalism in Europe planted the secular seeds of the Holocaust (religious seeds had been planted by some early and medieval Church teachings and reinforced by Martin Luther). European nationalists welcomed all national identities except the Jews'. That is a major reason so many Jews identify primarily as "world citizens"; they have contempt for nationalism and believe that strong national identities, even in America, will exclude them.

Just as liberal Jews fear a resurgent Christianity despite the fact that contemporary Christians are the Jews' best friends, leftist Jews fear American nationalism despite the fact that Americans who believe in American exceptionalism are far more pro-Jewish and pro-Israel than leftist Americans. But most leftist Jews so abhor nationalism, they don't even like the Jews' nationalism (Zionism).

If you believe that leftist ideas and policies are good for America and for the world, then you are particularly pleased to know how deeply Jews -- with their moral passion, intellectual energies and abilities, and financial clout -- are involved with the Left. If, on the other hand, you believe that the Left is morally confused and largely a destructive force in America and the world, then the Jews' disproportionate involvement on the Left is nothing less than a tragedy -- for the world and especially for the Jews.

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Posted by: Mentat at May 19, 2006 11:36 AM

Borg, on the television.

Posted by: freewoman at May 19, 2006 11:45 AM

These rules are just balony. They are only there as a convenience, to punish non-Muslims when it suits whomever.

This bit about Muslims not being able to enter churches (and probably synagogues) without permission: What a total crock.

What about Constantinople in 1492? 1000s of churches burned.

And, of course, during that West Bank seige a short while ago.

In Muslim countries, non-Muslims are just cannon fodder, nothing more.

Posted by: Seymour Paine at May 19, 2006 12:10 PM

Another option, let's have a great migration, shia muslims out of Western countries to Iran, Sunni and other Muslim types back to their Muslim only countries and Christians and Jews in Muslim countries migrate to Western countries. Then the Islamists can have their Muslim only countries and the West can be rid of Islam. And we'll see if peace and perfection comes to Muslim countries...I doubt it.

Posted by: Abby at May 19, 2006 12:11 PM

And we level all their mosques in the West and they can level everything not Islam in their Islam countries.

Posted by: Abby at May 19, 2006 12:13 PM

This story may be incorrect, see this:

http://www.940news.com/locale.php?news=2512

Posted by: yakovsh at May 19, 2006 12:21 PM

Mentat

Pragar demonstrates great clarity and wisdom in the article you have posted and this one:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50220

where he suggests that Jews like Noam Chomsky and Tony Judt act the way they do out of an impulse for self-preservation.

Indeed, whenever I bring up the subject of Europe's long history of anti-Semitism, pogroms, and mass murder with my colleague, he immediately tries to shut down the conversation. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil... blend in, assimilate, be sure you scream the loudest about Israel's crimes against humanity -- then perhaps you will be spared when the next wave of persecution comes along.

For those of us who believe that human beings always act out of rational self-interest, it make perfect sense.

Posted by: Charles Martel at May 19, 2006 12:32 PM

We should be cautious about the truth of this story. The only source seems to be "Iran expatriates" in Canada.

I should point out, however, that UPI is accepting it:
http://tinyurl.com/nztam

Of course that is hardly conclusive.

Posted by: Raw Data at May 19, 2006 12:40 PM

Borg and Mentat:

C'mon. You both know damned well that Carter, Chomsky and their ilk will blame Israel, just as surely as Chomsky was able to endorse a book by the notorious Holocaust denier, Robert Faurisson and say that there was nothing anti-Semetic about Faurisson's views, offer idiotic moral equivalencies about Pol Pot's genocidal rule of Cambodia, make allegations that the invasion of Afghanistan was "some sort of silent genocide" and go to Lebanon (or was it Syria?)to offer his support of Hezbollah.

What's next for the Noamster? Endorsing Bashar Al-Assad as a great leader of the Syrian people, and defend Syria's occupation of Lebanon as warranted because of Israel's aggressions? (I expect he's already rationalized the occupation. It's the endorsement of Al-Assad that he may have yet to give.)

Posted by: waterdragon52 at May 19, 2006 12:46 PM

I feel that this is only another step toward a world wide confrontation, i.e. World War. The islamic leaders are jetting all over the world for "meetings". Read this article from Tokoyo Reuters.

TOKYO (Reuters) - North Korea may be preparing to launch a long-range Taepodong ballistic missile that could have the capacity to reach all of the United States, Japanese national broadcaster NHK reported on Friday.

Quoting unidentified South Korean government officials, NHK said satellite pictures showed there have been signs since early this month around a launch site in northeastern North Korea that pointed to a possible firing in the near future.

South Korea's defense ministry said it could not confirm the report. Japanese officials have not commented.

The missile appeared to be the Taepodong-2, which has the longest range in North Korea's arsenal, and if it is a modified version it may have a range of 15,000 km (9,300 miles), which would cover all of the United States, NHK said.

Quoting Japanese government sources, Japan's Kyodo news agency also said a launch could be imminent.

North Korea shocked the international community in August 1998 when it fired a Taepodong missile that flew over Japan before falling into the Pacific Ocean.

The latest development comes amid a deadlock in six-party talks aimed at dismantling North Korea's nuclear programs, and ahead of a visit to China next week by the chief U.S. negotiator to the multilateral talks.

The talks involve the two Koreas, the United States, Japan, Russia and host China.

Here's the link:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-05-18T234453Z_01_T8989_RTRUKOC_0_US-KOREA-NORTH-MISSILE.xml

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at May 19, 2006 1:16 PM

Waterdragon52:

Yeh, I know Waterdragon52. I just feel so powerless these days. It makes me feel better to take a few cheap shots. I feel like I am seeing the 1930s repeat themselves in slow motion.

I wrote my local politician this morning, pointing out the Iranian move toward badges, but that isn't enough.

I am practically sick with the horror of humankind's behaviour. As Charles Schulz put it: I love mankind; it's people I can't stand.

Posted by: Mentat at May 19, 2006 1:38 PM

My colors: Red, White and Blue!

Posted by: JanuaryMan at May 19, 2006 2:02 PM

Meanwhile, Mentat, I hear that a clutch of Iranians recently picketted a Jewish community centre in north Toronto to bitch about Israel, but the local media described the event as a labour dispute.

I would qualify, however, that this story remains unverified.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at May 19, 2006 2:06 PM

We have been here before with Hitler. We have spent the last 60 years saying it should never be allowed to happen again. Again we see the people who are highlighting the problem being sidelined as Islamiphobic or racist. History is repeating itself. If our governments do nothing they will be as guilty as the leaders who turned a blind eye in the '30's.

Posted by: DaveMate at May 19, 2006 2:08 PM

I saw this story on the Drudge Report about 10 minutes ago and my first reaction was Give Ahmadinejad what he wants:

I am convinced that Ahmadinejad wants to be stopped, wants to die, wants to be a martyr, sent to the Mohammad Playboy Mansion. He will be a martyr one way or other-sooner or later. If he gets the bomb he will be the Ultimate Suicide Bomber. He must be sent to the 72 virgins before he gets the bomb. I hope he gets what he deserves when he gets there (soon)...

http://tonova.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/72virgins_1.JPG

and obl too..

http://www.reneelevy.com/Dessins/DejaPasseAng/72virgins.jpg

Posted by: Frank at May 19, 2006 2:29 PM

Earlier Xero G asked: "It begs the question; what color will atheists, and agnostics, wear?"

Answer: The same color that all of us will eventually wear if Islam triumphs... red and pale, the colors of blood and death.

Posted by: Provoslavni at May 19, 2006 2:54 PM

This story may be inaccurate.

Posted by: Interested at May 19, 2006 3:06 PM

From the link Interested posted:

'But independent reporter Meir Javedanfar, an Israeli Middle East expert who was born and raised in Tehran, says the report is false.'

To which, I would ask the following:

Is she one of those 'liberal' Jews?
Which country has her support more, Israel or Iran?

Not to knock the article you found, Interested, just curious, and hope more of these articles pop up in the next few days.

Posted by: Gary at May 19, 2006 3:18 PM

While we await confirmation on this story, we may also recall that in the weeks leading up to 9/11, the Taliban had implemented a similar programme requiring Afghanistan's Hindu population to wear yellow badges.

I'd be surprised if Ahmadinejad did not raise the stakes with this type of edict very soon.

Posted by: Charles Martel at May 19, 2006 3:39 PM

Like i have stated previously in other threads...

I have never seen in all of my life ..
the sheer

Hatred of the Jews by Muslims
Hatred of Israel by all muslims (even some who cant find Israel on a map) still want to go out and kill jews..

Hatred of Christians worldwide....

I dont know if the story is true or not.,.

But it wouldnt surprise me though because..

Even though we all know that the world may cry out in response... the iranians and their muslim overlords knwo that

A. the UN is useless
B. the only countries standing against them is the usa, britain and israel...
C. they can bully europe into surrender
D. they can lie and the Main stream media buys it
E. they can outright preach death to the jews and the MORON Leftist (democrat senators) wont do a thing

Whats really interesting and shows the depravity of the left, democrats is

While iran is preparing for wholesale Genocide..
What are the democrats complaining about?

Why the requirement to speak english (one Leftist senator) declared that english is racist...

So while iran is preparing for war..
the democrats and the media are doing everything they can to help the
Islamic Terrrorists WIN..

To our jewish friends i say this..
I cannot guarantee how long america will stand by you (i believe if the democrats win) they will immidiatly cut and run in iraq and afganistan
Leaving the jews to defend themselves..

Do NOT believe the democrats...
To the Jews i say this
Prepare to defend yourselves... against the Islamo nazis..

Because i know the cowardly left will run (even in the face of all of this evidence)....
They will leave you hung out to dry...

May the God of Israel (yahweh) bless Israel and keep her...

Posted by: jingoist at May 19, 2006 3:40 PM

Is something else happening. Are there conversions out of Islam into Zoroastrian? I've heard there was an uptick in these. There has been a huge uptick with heroin as well in the past several years. It will be interesting to see the civil strife unfurled over the next few years. Posted by: biorabbi

A few years ago, an Iranian colleague of mine at work told me that in Iran, while publicly, few do it due to the death penalty for apostasy, something like 100,000 Iranians secretly practice Zoroastrianism. I've checked Ali Sina's site at times to see what the opinion is on this, and while there are no numbers, Zoroastrianism does seem to be staging a quiet comeback.

I wouldn't dismiss this story so quickly. As for the argument that the Iranian government wouldn't be so stupid as to do this, if they are stupid enough to persue nukes, don't put this past them. Besides, since when did the Iranian people get a real chance to object to what gets done by the regime?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 19, 2006 5:52 PM

So, you Blockheads, how much more evidence is needed? How many more goodlooking bloggs you gonna post? Is it not too bleedin´obvious what is gonna happen? What are you after?, a shoulder padding by Robert Spencer?, or a booklet with an autograph? Shortsighted and selfappeasing bloggers write here "why is Robert Spencer not working for the Administration?" Be frigging glad he does not, otherwise you would not even get the tiniest of this information!
It is time you kick your foul politicicians up the backside, dismantle your wretched money lottery of "being able to get elected"...
You´ve got the moneychangers in the temple!, can´t you friggin´see that?? Read the book!, not theirs - but ours!!
For a moment I thought Thank God we´ve got JW, but more and more I am convinced not to trust any of this intellectual idiocy. It makes me sad for the future of our planet, if this handful of bloggers are the only ones who "understand" the problem, then I´m better off alone, preparing myself for the inevitable! What a shame that I cannot do much, the bloody enemy is everywhere.
Wake up! - for real!!, not just to man the keyboards....

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at May 19, 2006 6:16 PM

I guess it's a manifestation of "xenofobia" to state that the Thug-In-Chief is a modern Hitler.

Posted by: DrWolffenstein at May 19, 2006 6:24 PM

cosmicAvenger

What's your problem?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 19, 2006 6:40 PM

"...not to trust any of this intellectual idiocy." "...then I´m better off alone, preparing myself for the inevitable!"

cosmicAvenger-

You sound a wee-bit paranoid. Don't go Ah-mad-inejad on us.

Posted by: Frank at May 19, 2006 6:41 PM

@Infidel Pride

nothing wrong:
You´ve got the moneychangers in the temple!, can´t you friggin´see that??

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at May 19, 2006 7:11 PM

@Frank

What are you after?, a shoulder padding by Robert Spencer?, or a booklet with an autograph?

ps/not paranoid, just personally involved:
(travelling a lot lately (news): in the public sauna in Tehran some bastard stole my clothes in the dressing room, had to go across the street to my hotel wrapped in a towel... fingerpointing felt like stoning - i imagine)
I mentioned it before in this blogg: a lot of underestimating is done on all sides !
and you intellectuals have the least of an idea, - apart from taking the problem apart, analyze it, talk about it,...crap,bang until the door flies open and someone throws in a handgrenade..... bunch of well spoken dreamers!

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at May 19, 2006 7:24 PM

This story may be incorrect, see this:
http://www.940news.com/locale.php?news=2512
Posted by: yakovsh

From 940 news - a Montreal station in Canada: But independent reporter Meir Javedanfar, an Israeli Middle East expert who was born and raised in Tehran, says the report is false.
"It's absolutely factually incorrect," he told The New 940 Montreal. "Nowhere in the law is there any talk of Jews and Christians having to wear different colours. I've checked it with sources both inside Iran and outside.""The Iranian people would never stand for it. The Iranian government wouldn't be stupid enough to do it."

This sounds like someone in denial. "The Iranian people would never stand for it." What are they going to do,huh? Start a recall petition? The government under Amadinijihad has already removed some of the "reforms" of the last several years.

Someone else asked what color will atheists and agnostics wear? They either become Mohammedans of have their heads removed.

Posted by: Pelayo at May 19, 2006 7:27 PM

A scary sign of the times. Advice to non-Muslims living in Iran : GET THE HECK OUT OF IRAN!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 19, 2006 7:28 PM

According to the latest press reports, the original article in the National Post may not be correct. Could someone put in a correction if it is not? It is immportant to maintain one's credibility. There is enough legitimate stuff to report. :)

Posted by: Worry at May 19, 2006 8:28 PM

I think that it was interesting that canada.com which posted this story removed it shortly after it was posted. Any guesses as to why?

Posted by: watchman at May 19, 2006 8:40 PM

Re:"@Frank What are you after?, a shoulder padding by Robert Spencer?, or a booklet with an autograph?"

I havn't got a clue what you are talking about and I have a feeling that's good news for me. Reading what you have written is like talking to a person who says "are you going by bus or would you rather go to New York in arriving at the current destination?"

While on the subject-how about this badge for Ah-mad-inejad and other Islamists...

http://lantz.goldenagecartoons.com/1940s/coocoobird-title.jpg

Posted by: Frank at May 19, 2006 8:44 PM

This is what "Armani Dinner JAcket" wants to see:-

http://www.geocities.com/xiquis86/holocaust/children.gif

We cannot allow this ignorance.

Posted by: DaveMate at May 19, 2006 8:45 PM

Watchman is correct.
While a story like this is all too believable, to spread such a story without any cautionary words or updates in the face of new information diminishes the credibility of this site.

Posted by: Raw Data at May 19, 2006 9:47 PM

My apology. My attribution (immediately above) of the sentiment to Watchman was incorrect. It was someone else.

My opinion about the importance of updating in the light of new information still stands. (Even more so as I see how easy it is to err.)

Posted by: Raw Data at May 19, 2006 10:16 PM

It 'seems' the draft law is only about obligatory Islamic dresses for women, and does not concern religious minorities: see http://www.940news.com/nouvelles.php?cat=23&id=519111.

Posted by: highbg at May 19, 2006 10:50 PM

Oh, I see.
It's only about women.
In that case it's ok.

(Sorry, just indulging my dark humor!)

Posted by: Raw Data at May 19, 2006 11:18 PM

(travelling a lot lately (news): in the public sauna in Tehran some bastard stole my clothes in the dressing room, had to go across the street to my hotel wrapped in a towel... fingerpointing felt like stoning - i imagine)
I mentioned it before in this blogg: a lot of underestimating is done on all sides !
and you intellectuals have the least of an idea, - apart from taking the problem apart, analyze it, talk about it,...crap,bang until the door flies open and someone throws in a handgrenade..... bunch of well spoken dreamers!

Cosmicavenger, that is the funniest, incoherent rant/story I have ever read here. As if Bin Laden, islam, and Allah weren't enough to piss you off, now they stole your clothes while you were in the sauna! LOL!!!

Now it's personal!!

Posted by: somethingaboutislam at May 19, 2006 11:41 PM

As far as the badges go, hell, I would be proud to wear a badge declaring that I am of a culture and faith for apart from islam. Kind of like wearing a jersey for your favourite sports team. Boo islam - GO West!

Posted by: somethingaboutislam at May 19, 2006 11:45 PM

Now's the time to grab you Cross and wear it proud. That's my badge of honor. What follows will make the world cringe in a state of awe that will last through the ages to follow. History watches, unknown to us, but it's there ready to tell the future what we've done to defend the world.

Stand FAST!

We've a task ahead of us all that the world will thank us for as long as we accept our role as guardians of the future.

Posted by: Bayoucoyote at May 20, 2006 1:20 AM

Christians, wear your Crosses folks and be thankful that the Lord has called you to faith in Him.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 20, 2006 6:53 AM

Now, if the Iranian Jews had a sense of humor, they would all sew these "not required" strips of identifying cloth on the clothes overnight, just to mess with the Mullahs' minds.

And embarass this lunatic regime.

"Lenny Bruce Died For Your Sins", as the old post-vaudeville grafitti once said.

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 20, 2006 10:21 AM

Now here is the follow-up to that article:
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=5c7bf231-1026-4448-a122-d8c046057913&k=39818

It seems to me that the Iranians have been caught with their pants down and are furiously back-pedalling. Honestly, you can't believe a single word they say. JC

Posted by: Johnny Cash at May 20, 2006 12:40 PM

This story is BOGUS , some right wing columnists tried to spin this story but could not because a Jewish Member of Iranian Parliament denied this story . I know his first name was Maurice .. I read it yesterday on Haaretz . Im sure google will help .

Posted by: nesreen at May 21, 2006 11:55 AM

Non-Muslim Dress Code "Fabricated": Iranian Jew

"It is a lie, and the people who invented it wanted to make political gain by doing so," Motammed said.

TEHRAN, May 20, 2006 – Iran's only Jewish MP strongly denied reports that Tehran may force non-Muslims to wear colored badges in public so as they can be identified.
"This report is a complete fabrication and is totally false," Maurice Motammed told Agence France-Presse (AFP) in Tehran on Friday, May 19.
"It is a lie, and the people who invented it wanted to make political gain by doing so."
Canada's National Post newspaper claimed on Friday that Iran's parliament passed a law this week on setting a public dress code, requiring non-Muslims to wear special insignia.
The daily alleged that Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear a yellow, red or blue strip of cloth, respectively, on the front of their clothes.
The unconfirmed reports on the non-Muslims' dress code has drawn immediate rebukes from many Western countries.
The United States said that the report would be "despicable" reminder of Nazi Germany's persecution of the Jews.
Australian Prime Minister John Howard said Friday, during an official visit to Ottawa, that "anything of that kind would be totally repugnant to civilized countries."
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper also said he had only seen reports about the law but that he would not be surprised by them.
Clothing Bill
The Jewish lawmaker said he had been present in parliament when a bill to promote an Iranian and Islamic style of dress for women was voted.
"In the law, there is no mention of religious minorities," he added.
Motammed said MPs representing Iran's Jewish, Christian and Zoroastrian minorities sit on all parliamentary committees, particularly the cultural one.
Iranian lawmaker Emad Afroogh, who sponsored the bill, said the Canadian daily's report was totally fabricated and bare of truth.
"It's a sheer lie. The rumors about this are worthless," said Afroogh, who also chairs the parliament's cultural committee.
"The bill is not related to minorities. It is only about clothing," he said.
The draft law discourages women from wearing Western clothing. It also increases taxes on imported clothes and fund an advertising campaign to encourage citizens to wear Islamic-style garments.
The draft law was preliminary approved by parliament on Sunday, May 14. It was later re-debated by parliament last week but failed to pass.
"Please tell them (in the West) to check the details of the bill. There is no mention of religious minorities and their clothing in the bill," Afroogh told AFP.

Posted by: ka at May 22, 2006 1:04 PM