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Posted by: dennisw at May 22, 2006 8:15 AM

Rice: No jizyah for the Thug-In-Chief....which is State Departmentese for: Yes, We'll give you tons o' cash, okay, anything to appear to be doing something or to appear not to be doing something, whichever the situation demands at the time.

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at May 22, 2006 8:18 AM

a few months to 10 years - take your pick - though I know who I would trust and as a physisist I can say what they need to do to get from where they are to the bomb is not much - just make a lot more of the same and with the resources of an entire country, even a nuslim country , that should be childs play.
So where is the urgency - complacency rules the day.
I think a nuclear armed Iran is now INEVITABLE.

Posted by: johnmac at May 22, 2006 8:26 AM

I'm waiting with my pork rinds, hot sauce and cold beer for the show to begin....

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 22, 2006 8:27 AM

1069 says "I'm waiting with my pork rinds, hot sauce and cold beer for the show to begin...."

1069...there will be no "show"....this is because the US will do a "no show" in the ring. What more do you need to know?

Posted by: Naseem at May 22, 2006 10:11 AM

Jauhara Al-Kafirah nice site.
Aw, Naseem you know we'll show up. That's what the whole world gripes about all the time...we're always bombing somebody /sarcasm

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 22, 2006 10:45 AM

Naseem, nice to see you back. Hope your husband is better? Your paranoia about the US makes you assume tht we will attack Iran. The story makes it clear that "Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert... said Israel would take the "necessary measures" to stop this from occurring."

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 22, 2006 10:58 AM

hello naseem, have been missing you...
..the israelis are presently not "fearless", that makes the whole situation a lot more unstable... and afterwards everyone can say: It wasn´t us, it was them israelis.

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at May 22, 2006 11:03 AM

BTW Naseem, I and the otherws are still waiting on your reply to the thread "Fjordman: Marrying a Muslim Man? Read the Fine Print", in particular the questions raised by sura 4:34 that compells men to beat their wives if they do not submit.
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme."
As I said before I am glad your husband has never raised a hand to hit you, but statistically Pakistan has an average of two women killed every day for "honor" killings. The Quran clearly says it is ok for husbands to beat their wives if the wife gets out of line. You said in the other thread "2) No Woman should EVER be subjected to any violence. My view is simple...if he gets violent , kick the bastard where it hurts & then get out of there." Good for you. My wife would say "He has to sleep sometime". If anyone ever beats our daughter the police better get to him before I do.
But clearly you seem to be against the Quran in this, since you don't feel (and I believe rightly so) that a woman should ever be beaten? Do I understand your position correctly? That you feel that the Quran is wronfg in this instance?

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 22, 2006 11:13 AM

Boh
It's a no show again from our decorated troll Naseem.
There are many insightful and informed posters to this site, learn who they are and skip past the "space invaders"

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at May 22, 2006 12:10 PM

I like how Condi Rice "framed" the context of her criticism of Iran by calling them...."a troublemaker".

Gee, Condi, they are more than troublemakers, and you said so yourself in the news article from AFP. She also states that, "this state is a central banker terrorist", and that "this state wants the destruction of Israel".

Ok, so why didn't Condi state the obvious truth right up front by calling them terrorists? Is she trying to be diplomatic? I think the world can hear the truth, Condi, because we all know that they aren't JUST troublemakers!

Posted by: champ at May 22, 2006 12:51 PM

Personally, I have great regard for the Persian people in general. However, they have made the fatal error of permitting a man like Ahmadinejad (ever notice that this name phonetically resembles the phrase "A Mighty Nut Job") to come to a position of power in their nation. And the world community will see to it that they are held responsible for that.

A truly regrettable state of affairs.

Posted by: pythagoras at May 22, 2006 12:53 PM

1069 asks "But clearly you seem to be against the Quran in this, since you don't feel (and I believe rightly so) that a woman should ever be beaten? Do I understand your position correctly? That you feel that the Quran is wronfg in this instance"?

Clearly this is very for difficult question...and other muslims will give you a Islamic legalise answer...but you don't want to hear that.

My answer is that "the womens should (within reason) make every effort to make her husband happy...that's the secret of a happy marriage after all.

Understandings under these circumstances will always be sorted without beatings. If HOWEVER the woman is doing her best and still gets a beating BECAUSE the man takes Advantage of what it says in the Quaran...then ..."by all means kick him where it hurts"

....that is what the quaran SHOULD say...so really it is more of an omission rather than being wrong.

If however there is not this tacit understanding...then reluctantly I will admit being a woman....that the Quaran is wrong in this instance.

There is only a handful of suras which are ambigious ...and this is one of them. There are still many other powerful ones which continue to inspire me to remain a devout muslim.....

Posted by: Naseem at May 22, 2006 12:58 PM

pythagoras -

"A Mighty Nut Job"....that's good! I never heard that until you pointed it out....LOL

And I also don't think that it's a coincidence that we find "MAD" in the middle of his last name: Ah-MAD-inejad!

He's definitely a mad-man!

Posted by: champ at May 22, 2006 1:21 PM

Naseem, where is your usual typist?, where is No.1 in the gang?, he usually formulates with much more snide...

"...then reluctantly I will admit being a woman....that the Quaran is wrong in this instance." - that´s not our good old Naseem.

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at May 22, 2006 1:38 PM

Naseem, you still don't grasp the whole man/woman/marriage thingy. First of all, it takes mutual respect. From what your koran , hadiths, sura's all say, it's not there on the men's parts. Sure, after a few beatings, you would try to make a man happy, (not that you would respect him, but because you know you'd get the crap knocked out of you). Where's the love? You're tilth to your man Naseem. Just chattel. Just dirt. When he gets angered at you Naseem, does he call you dog or other names? If he gets mad, does he say the first two words of the divorce lingo? Has he taken other wives? Do you have lots of stepchildren? Muslim men sure arent' respecting muslim women when they take on other wives.

Think about how your book tells your men to treat women.

Posted by: freewoman at May 22, 2006 1:42 PM

"....that is what the quaran SHOULD say...so really it is more of an omission rather than being wrong."
But if the Quran is perfect, then there would be NO omission, for an omission would also be imperfect and therefore wrong.....
Sura 4:34 is not ambiguous or vague. It says quite clearly that if a woman will not submit after being sent away from her husband's bed SHE IS TO BE BEATEN. It is simple to understand even for an infidel like me. This is an eternally valid command as are all the commands in your Quran, is it not? Barbaric, inhuman, cruel, yes, but are these not the words of your Allah? Is this not a tenent of your faith? Naseem I have read your Quran and hadith many times. I have yet to find anything about forgiveness, repentence, loving your enemy, or turning the other cheek as Jesus taught. Did Jesus not say "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"?

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 22, 2006 2:07 PM

Wow -- Naseem isn't the only one making snide remarks!

Sometimes I can't believe some of the cruel things other posters say to her. Shouldn't Americans, or non-Americans for that matter, be setting a better example by showing a little more compassion and love towards her?

Posted by: champ at May 22, 2006 2:33 PM

BTW Naseem, I know the legalised answer your Mohammedan scholars would give; that since you are just a woman you are worth less than a man so you cannot possibly understand this verse, or many of the others. You might even need "retraining". You have said in a world wide public forum that the Quran omits something, that it is not clear, thereby implying that the Quran is flawed and imperfect. (We won't talk about the other flaws in the Quran, like the sun setting in a "muddy pool", or Sura 53.19, where Mohammed was deceived, or how he originally prayed to Jerusalem instead of Mecca. We can save that for later discussions.) But how can somethign from a perfect God be imperfect? Clearly the fault lies not in the Quran, but in you, a mere woman and your inability to comprehend the Quran. I can hear your men now.... "Don't worry your pretty little head darling, if you try to think your brain might explode. Just stick to cooking and making babies. That's all women are good for. Says so in the Quran."
"Do not think. Do not question orders. Just obey. Submit.... Or Else!"
Have you ever seen the movie "The Wizard Off Oz? "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
Does that sound familiar?

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 22, 2006 2:43 PM

Assalamau Laikum all,

Thank you for your support champ...you are indeed a good friend....do they have other infedel like you....you remind me of Nazia.....a really good friend of mine. I get my daughter to talk to her when I cannot get through to her myself...maybe I might get her to say hello to you through JW sometime.

Anyhow, back to 1069....I cannot understand what you want from me... I am happy to be target practice sometimes...I try to be truthful when ever possible...but it seems that that is not enough for you....did you want me to deny this....fight it through legalese perhaps?

. It is not always easy to say something against something that has been taught to you all your life.

Still, I guess I am fortunate that I have such an understanding hubby.

Posted by: Naseem at May 22, 2006 4:22 PM

Naseem! You are welcome, my friend!

A previous poster referenced "wife beating", and although I agree that this is a huge problem for most Muslim women; it's also a big problem against Western women as well -- oh and lets not forget everywhere else in the world!

I was once a vicim of domestic abuse by a former husband -- and he never even READ the Quran or the Bible!

My point -- most men don't need permission from their religion to abuse their wives or girlfriend. Believe me, domestic abuse is a huge crisis in every country, every town, and in every neighborhood acroos this planet. Sadly.

Posted by: champ at May 22, 2006 5:04 PM

Hi Champ (nice to say that),

I couldn't agree with you more....that is exactly the point that I try to make with peoples like "freewoman" and "carolyn".

Both steadfastly blame Islam for all ills...and it is just not true.

"Got a cold"....oh I must have been sitting within 25m of a muslim today...yes that must be the explanation.

"Car problems"....it must have been that last gallon of petrol...I got from the Q8 gas pump...yes that explains it....what rubbish.

It is literally holy land sucked from under the ground that keep your SUVs going...never forget that when you drive your obese childrens to macdonalds which is less than 100m for your homes. What a duisgusting example to set to your childrens....better to teach them about Islam and it's merits.

The Islamic religion is not merely a faith, but also it has a complete law....the sharia. This law extends to all spheres of life: acts of worship, behavior, business dealings, family law, inheritance, criminal law, administration of justice, and politics to name a few topics.

sharia, which is found in the Qur’an and the statements of the Prophet Muhammad, is God’s revealed will. Muslims follow what they find in the God’s scripture and the practice of the Prophet Muhammad.

Every scholar’s teachings is fallible and is always tested against the God’s Book and the practice of the Prophet to see how much it is in accordance with that or how much it varies from that.

This is why it is so important to teach Islam in yout schools...do it!.

Posted by: Naseem at May 22, 2006 5:43 PM

Hey Bohemond, have you named yourself after Bohemond of Otranto?

Posted by: fieldvole at May 22, 2006 5:49 PM

Fortunately not everyone shares Islam's proscriptions for nuptial happiness.
From time to time, you do find signs of sanity in Europe.

A refreshing signal of anti-dhimmitude from Switzerland today.

The authorities of the Swiss Canton of St. Gall deported the Turkish husband and a father of a 21-year old lady who had been forced into marriage.
The husband and the father of the lady were first detained two weeks ago when the Turkish woman filed a criminal complaint against threats and coercion from her parents and husband. The woman had been forced into marriage during a visit to Turkey about a year ago. She refused to live with her designated husband after he obtained a stay permit for Switzerland this year in April. The woman has been subjected to death threats from her husband and her family.
The public prosecutor and the foreign police of the Canton of St. Gall took these threats and events seriously. Marriages which are not executed are seen as grave inflictions on family honour in fundamental Islamic circles. Honour killings are the only way to restore the honour of the family in these circles, it was said.
After holding the two in custody for two weeks, the foreign police promptly deported the father of the lady and her husband. Their rights to suspensive measures for appeal were revoked, based on special provisions in administrative law for the protection of individuals. They were dispatched to Turkey and are prohibited to return for years.
Additional measures of the immigration authorities against other family members are being reviewed presently. This is done for the protection of the woman. Moreover, the authorities announced this is furthermore being done in order to set an unmistakable sign that infringements of fundamental Swiss principles of law shall not be tolerated.

http://www.nzz.ch/2006/05/22/il/newzzENIHTB5Q-12.html

Posted by: Hugo Schmidt-Fischer at May 22, 2006 6:04 PM

Dear Naseem, good to read your post.

No woman deserves to be beaten, even to the circumstances of constructing a happy family. There are many ways to do that. By Using force, your husband is encouraging your children to do the same as they feel its perfectly normal.

It is not normal, almost all of us has been through this (im a guy) and we strive not to repeat the mistake again, at least not to our children.

Every religion is a religion of faith, I wont deny Islam is not, my respected mentor is an egyption muslim.

However, the concept of islam is by far a distant definition of a religion if you compared christian, judasim, hindu & so on. While others emphasized of openess & free (modern times), islam does the exact opposite most of the times.

Its more like a submasive protocol. You follow what you read & as taught & you dont question as you will be always wrong. In modern world, its called mind slavery. While its not entirely bad, some had the leasure to use it for their own benefit. You & we know how it works.

These irresponsible people use it for their own benefit, like in the case of beating the wife & divorcing as if the women are an object. And these guys would invent any excuse to defend their actions & are very affraid to loose their powers.

I mean, muslim kids these days throw stones to the bhuddist mini temples (back here, there have a wodden temple small enough to have candles) & worse, the dogs are not spared. This happens because of careless islamic education.

If its ok to start with seeing their mother being hit & coupled with the believer & infedel studies, Im very sure they will one day they will do the same to humans. Now whos to blame?

Tell me this, if a woman looses her child in a car accident, do you know how she acts? what she says? Just observe. Every mother behaves the same in any religion. Trust me. And why is that so, its human to love & to cry.

Now, I woudnt be supprised is Islam emulates christianity to some extend. Remember christian churches had absolute power. The people eventually realised that & moved to a different model of society.

So, tell me from your knowledge, would islamic society change?

Posted by: tjwork at May 22, 2006 6:27 PM

Now, now Naseem, I don't think islam is the cause of every ill...
We in the civilized world know about viruses and bacteria causing colds and other illnesses, being in the proximity of a muslim could cause one's head to become removed from one's shoulders though.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 22, 2006 7:37 PM

It is literally holy land sucked from under the ground that keep your SUVs going...never forget that when you drive your obese childrens to macdonalds which is less than 100m for your homes. What a duisgusting example to set to your childrens....better to teach them about Islam and it's merits.

Do you know who discovered the oil that we "suck" from under the ground? What would muslims do with it but sell it? (For nearly $70 a barrel I might add) We don't steal the oil by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 22, 2006 7:44 PM

...never forget that when you drive your obese childrens to macdonalds

Oh this just p***es me off. How many American kids have you ever been in contact with?
I am an ex-fitness champion, my kids are grown, but are the picture of heath and fitness. The media portrays the US as all fat people, it is a lie.
(BTW, if you are a froll you are pushing the right buttons)

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 22, 2006 7:49 PM

Naseem, Naseem, no one blames muslims for colds. Now we do blame muslims for the beheadings, blowing up innocents and terrorizing the masses. But you know that. You know that's your "religion" that condones that.

If we "suck up" oil underneath your "holy" land, you people are being paid dearly for it. And if you're not seeing any benefits from this money , complain to those in charge of your country.

And how can your allah condone his followers to torture , rape, cut off hands and feet and heads of innocent people. Believers or not. Allah's system of right and wrong is screwed up and that would make for screwed up people. Islam is bad for your health, mentally and physically.

Posted by: freewoman at May 22, 2006 9:14 PM

Naseem, you said "It is not always easy to say something against something that has been taught to you all your life." I understand that. But you know when something is false, when it is wrong, even if you have been brought up to believe it "all your life". God has put an understanding of right and wrong in all of us. It is wrong to beat a person like an animal especially when it is someone you're supposed to love. I think we can all agree on that, right? My point is that your religion commands it under certain circumstances, and no amount of rationale on your or anyone else's part can excuse that away or justify it. As I said earlier, Islam not only commands it but commends those who do it. Pakistan has an average of two women killed per day for family "honor". That is barbaric.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 22, 2006 10:26 PM

Carylon2 says "Oh this just p***es me off. How many American kids have you ever been in contact with?"

The answer is none, although I have been in contact with many british school childrens...does that count or are your childrens different from the British childrens?

You say "I am an ex-fitness champion, my kids are grown, but are the picture of heath and fitness".

Keep pushing the "ex".

You say "The media portrays the US as all fat people, it is a lie".

Islam is a religion of peace but the media portrays it as a religion for terror, beheadings,
control of the masses and poverty.."it is a lie."

Posted by: Naseem at May 23, 2006 5:48 AM

Naseem, what's wrong, is the truth about how Islam treats women a little too painful? So you consider oil to be "holy land"? LOL! Who found the oil and developed it? Who invented automobiles, busses, planes and trains? Not your insignificant Mohammedan civilisation. It was the West which made the Saudis, Iraq and Iranians rich, else they would still be nothing but a bunch of camel jockeys. Any wealth or benefits that have come to those countries you can thank Western civilisation for.
"....better to teach them about Islam and it's merits." LOL! That would be fine if Islam had any merits, but unfortunately it doesn't. Keeping women as second class citizens who cannot go out without chaperones, murdering them if they are assaulted to preserve the family "honor", teaching that women are inferior to men, not letting a woman's testimony in court be equal to a man's testimony, genital mutilation, slavery, rapine, war and conquest, etc, these are hardly things that educated, civilized people would deem "merits". Sharia keeps you and all women under it as chattel, like animals on a leash, to be subjugated and beaten by your masters when you get out of line. You are not even permitted to worship together with the men in a Mosque, but are segregated. You are not even good enough to walk beside a man in public, but have to remain a few steps behind. In most Muslim societies, you would not even be permitted to speak to me in public as we do here, but would have to remain silent. So tell us again how good you and your sisters have it. I'm sure we could all use another good laugh. The day we let Mohammedans dictate what to teach our children in our schoools is the day we become backward third world countries like all the Mohammedan nations. It is the Mohammedans who come to the West to learn and get new technology, not the other way around.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 23, 2006 7:20 AM

fieldvole, yes, you have it.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 23, 2006 7:22 AM

"Islam is a religion of peace..."
From the Quran:
Sura 9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."
8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
Qur’an:8:57 "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned."
8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."
8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’"
2:216 "Jihad is ordained for you, though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not."
[Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."
I would post more examples, but it's all been done before and I think that's enough to prove my point. I wish you could tell me that these quotes from the Quran were one time directives, limited to a specific time and place in history, but you can't, can you, Naseem? These commands and the others in the Quran and Hadith to kill, murder and torture to spread Islam are just as valid today as they were when Mohammed (pigs be upon him) spoke them, aren't they?
Yes Naseem, a real peaceful religion you belong to.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 23, 2006 7:44 AM

You say "I am an ex-fitness champion, my kids are grown, but are the picture of heath and fitness".

Keep pushing the "ex".

If you only knew just how funny that is. :)

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 23, 2006 12:19 PM

Naseem wrote: This is why it is so important to teach Islam in yout schools...do it!.

Iam sure the koran has some good parts about it but what i don't like are the bad parts concerning infidels and how they are to be treated. Something i would never want my kids to learn, i try to teach them not to hate (which i think is a good thing) no matter what religion you are and respect that. Islam is going no where near my kids and iam going to bet alot of people agree with me.

Posted by: Denver at May 23, 2006 2:07 PM

Naseem wrote: Islam is a religion of peace but the media portrays it as a religion for terror, beheadings,
control of the masses and poverty.."it is a lie."

Wow ummmmmm maybe it's the religious fantics claiming using islam for killing that portrays islam as a religion of terror. Naseem who is doing these beheadings? who is keeping the masses poor and stupid while sitting on a gold mine? and why do they want them poor and stupid naseem? take your blinders off girl. Your own people are portraying/ representing your religion not the media and not one of you stand up against it. We have that boob osama and all the others quoting the koran to justify their actions (not the media)mullahs and clerics are the ones responsible for a majority of civilian deaths and nobody says squat (meaning you) the ones that sit on their hands while the radicals drag your religion through the mud. Until YOU prove it otherwise YOU are part of the problem (take the religious blinders off)the old way are (OLD) and don't fit in this century (just admit it)

Posted by: Denver at May 23, 2006 2:18 PM

Naseem wrote: " have been in contact with many british school childrens...does that count or are your childrens different from the British childrens?"

I am all confused now, I have always thought the United Kingdom and the United States were 2 different countries... Has everybody (including the media) been lying to me ? (question: are the French children also the same as the British children and the American children ?)

How long have you been speaking English Naseem ? Are you anglophone ? Because personally, I am French, but I know how to spell CHILDREN. Don't write too much or I will end up believing the Muslims are all retarded. And I am trying so hard not to believe that ! Don't ruin my efforts.

Posted by: joiesauvage at May 23, 2006 3:55 PM

Ii seems Naseem is either unwilling or unable to refute or defend her Quran's verses that I quoted. It is self evident from those very verses that Islam is NOT a "religion of peace" as she and others would assert. She asked a rhetorical question: "I cannot understand what you want from me... "
Naseem, I simply want you to be honest with us, and with yourself, that's all. And I'm truly sorry for you that you can't understand that. Yes, our kids are not starving or malnourished and we're not riding around on camels or donkeys. Deal with it.
And just for future reference, we Americans are different from the British, the French, the Germans, or any other nation on earth and we're damn proud of it.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 23, 2006 6:29 PM

1069 says "we Americans are different from the British, the French, the Germans, or any other nation on earth and we're damn proud of it".

We Paks are different too...and we're damn proud of it too.

I try to be honest too...but no one's listening....only insulting & bombing.

My comment on the media was a direct refence to Caroylin saying that it is a lie that all Amriki kids are obese....likewise is true for Islam...all muslims don't hate the Infedel...it is a lie to say so.

Posted by: Naseem at May 24, 2006 4:08 AM

Naseem, thanks for dropping in. I hope your husband's health is better and it is nothing too serious? I just lost a cousin to cancer relateed causes. Now if you'll be good enough to address the questiion I raised about the violent verses in the Quran being eternally valid...........

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 24, 2006 6:43 AM

We are not talking about a religion here guys. We are talking about a CULT.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at May 24, 2006 8:03 AM

It seems our usual Muslim trolls have again failed to defend Islam and its' false prophet. Naseem, maybe you don't all hate us, but your petty jealousy and hostile remarks make it plain that you harbor resentment against us. I suspect this is partly because of he cognitive dissonance I discussed in other threads and because Islam has not achieved world wide dominance like the Infidel has. Women are not treated as equals in Islamic society as they are in the West and they do not have the freedoms we have or for that matter, even equal status under Islamic law. That obviously bothers you but you cannot bring yourself to speak up against it in the framework of your society or even here online. That is understandable given the repressive history of Islam towarsd its women and I feel your pain. Better to fall in line, follow orders and rant against the West than try to fix the problems in your own culture. After all, standing up for women's rights and equality in Islamic society can get you killed. While you may talk big about "Kick them where it hurts", I know that any woman who did that to her husband in an Islamic country would be killed as soon as the bastard got up and your laws wouldn't touch him for it. We have harsher penalties here in the West for animal abuse than Mohammedan countries have for murdering women. And while I recognize the fact that generalizations are not a good rule of thumb, we generally treat our dogs better in the West than many Mohammedan men treat their wives.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 24, 2006 7:22 PM