I saw this commentary linked to on Michelle Malkin's blog. Follow all the links there (note the link to the recent Seattle story) and especially in her previous entry "What are your kids learning about Islam?" for additional background on this case, which goes back about 4 years now.

Posted by: Shy Guy at May 23, 2006 7:02 AM

The judge needs to be impeached. It seems his whole jurisprudence is based on catering to any minority with an attitude.

Posted by: Kepha at May 23, 2006 7:15 AM

I wonder what the 9th's opinion of Islamic role playing will be when next years educational theme will be : How to subdue the infidel justice system via Jihad in the way of Allah. I hope this court has the chance to watch this lesson first hand. After all, if it's good enough for our kids...

Our courts need to be restricting the activities of this death cult not endorsing them. But with the liberial bias of many courts and this court in particular, they appear incapable of beating back the dawa occuring on our shores. So I'll conclude by saying, Up yours 9th!. Why don't you don those pretty little wigs and go over to England and practice law, you'll fit right in.

Posted by: William The Crusader at May 23, 2006 7:44 AM

Why hasn't this gone to the U.S. Supreme Court?

Posted by: 3812Michelle at May 23, 2006 7:46 AM

Sorry, no offense was meant to my fellow English Anti-Jihadists.

Posted by: William The Crusader at May 23, 2006 7:48 AM

The 9th Circuis court is the most liberal in the land. Don't worry, they will force the Mohammedan kids to take sensitivity role playing classes as homosexuals.
"The day we let Mohammedans dictate what to teach our children in our schoools is the day we become backward third world countries like all the Mohammedan nations.".... From another thread

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 23, 2006 7:52 AM

From the same article:

The ed [of the California course on world religions] consultant's name is Susan L. Douglass. No, she's not a Christian scholar. She's a devout Muslim activist on the Saudi government payroll, according to an investigation by Paul Sperry, author of "Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington." He found that for years Douglass taught social studies at the Islamic Saudi Academy just outside Washington, D.C. Her husband still teaches there.

With Saudi’s money in the official sphere and the domination of the left in universities, I wonder if there is a chance to win the race there. Of course, it is worth a fight, but is it where victory might come from?

The last element Islamists will be able to confuse, in the West, is the people. They are looking for power, so they don’t respect mere people. Well, in fact, they just kill them. If the people as a whole had their say, many things would be possible which are too difficult now. But how are we to inform and then empower people on a scale large enough?

Look at what they’ve done in India: http://www.voi.org/books/tcqp

Posted by: ajm at May 23, 2006 8:05 AM

So I'll conclude by saying, Up yours 9th!. Why don't you don those pretty little wigs and go over to England and practice law, you'll fit right in....

Sorry, no offense was meant to my fellow English Anti-Jihadists.

None taken. However, if Americans are to practise law in Good Old Blighty without giving offence, they will need to learn to spell properly.

I used to think wigs were silly, until, in my recent jury service, I saw the prosecuting and defending counsel together. One was a young black woman, and the other a much older, white man. The wigs were a great leveller, enabling both lawyers to be taken equally seriously. Equality before the law.

Posted by: Interested at May 23, 2006 8:12 AM

I was shocked by this. Parents should keep their children home during the times islam is taught. I wonder also, how the children could be taught a subversive ideology.

When islam is taught in schools, it should be historical events only. When the kids learned about say, the Alamo, did the teachers bring burritos and serapes for the kids to eat and wear? When they teach about the cold war with Russia, do they bring in Vodka?

Children need as much education as they can get. But they don't need to be taught to hate, rape, kill or subjugate. There's nothing wrong with learning about other cultures, but there is no way in Hell, it should be practiced.

Posted by: freewoman at May 23, 2006 8:19 AM

This whole damn thing really is going to far, its a bloody fiasco, in Iraq they like to blame the troubles on insurgents coming across the border, creating instability in the attempt to cause civil war and drive out the infidel.
Why can't we apply this same logic to the west, stop calling it immigration, start calling it insurgency.

Posted by: dizzyfatplonka at May 23, 2006 8:29 AM

The article calls it "California's 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals". This is misleading. It is the United States 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, the federal appellate court which has its seat in San Francisco. The decision of this court applies to the entire United States. Next stop is the United States Supreme Court if the appellants have the resources to do so.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at May 23, 2006 10:01 AM

Can you imagine a teacher attempting to read the birth narrative of Jesus from the Gospel of Luke in order to educate a class, or asking students to fast during the Lenten season? The ACLU would be screaming “separation of church and state.”

Sadly, America has become a weak bastion of political correctness that has been perverted and warped by the dangers of multiculteralism. Double standards clearly exist within the bubble of political correctness – which is why a rulings like this can exist while at the same time, Christianity draws the ire of those who created the bubble.

Clearly rulings like this are undermining the established foundations that made America what it is.

How can Americans who understand the Constitution better then the far left leaning 9th Circus Court; do something to stop this lunacy of double standards?

Inviting Islam into our public schools is like inviting the third reich in and practicing the teachings from Mein Kempf.

Posted by: Mackie at May 23, 2006 10:01 AM

I disagree with everyone on this thread. Let's immerse them in the REAL islam. Have a little skit with Johnny with a bag over his head being beheaded. Let's show them videos of Nick Berg in social studies class. Let's show pictures of sadaam's human shredder, and explain how it works in science class. Let's show them what the effects of the nerve gas has had on the Kurds for health class.

The possibilities are endless.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at May 23, 2006 10:09 AM

One priceless gem from this school course

It is customary for Muslims to eat, offer or receive something with their right hand, and to enter homes and rooms with the right foot. The exception is the bathroom which is entered with the left foot first and exited with the right foot.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 23, 2006 10:23 AM

This outrageous decision re-enforces my belief that the Left and Liberalism are the Achilles Heel of the West. Their philosophies and belief system are weakening the West and increasing the power of Islam. As long as these people continue to have significant power we will not be able to rally the West to it's own defense.

Yes, there are plenty of people on the Right who are oblivious or shilling for Islam. But the Left's activities make us more vulnerable and the Islamits are actively exploiting political correctness, multi-culturalism, and other Liberal concepts to infiltrate, indoctrinate and undermine our culture.

I hope this ludicrous decision is appealed all the way to the Supreme Court. It must not be allowed to stand.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at May 23, 2006 10:26 AM

Unbelievable.

Posted by: Ben-Hur at May 23, 2006 10:26 AM

Surfboard Surfer

If it is eye opening that you prescribe, it should be followed by adults, particularly those in politics, not by innocent kids. How are our kids then different from Saudi kids?

What does it take to get these judges impeached?

Robert, since you were an expert witness, are the court records available for reference, or are they sealed?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 23, 2006 10:27 AM

"Chanting 'Praise be to Allah' in response to teacher prompts.

"Professing as 'true' the Muslim belief that 'The Holy Quran is God's word.'"

"Giving up candy and TV to demonstrate Ramadan, the Muslim holy month of fasting."

EXCUSE ME.......but this is nothing less than prayer and fasting.

This is definitely not instruction.
It is indoctrination!

I am outraged!

Where will American courts take us next?

Posted by: Johnathan at May 23, 2006 10:37 AM

Shortboardsurfer....if the schools did that, C A I R would REALLY be screaming. They only want the NON violent parts to known.

(can't you imagine the horror of the parents if the kids put on a play like that? Boys beating the girls, mock beheadings, mock stonings, mock rape.)

Posted by: freewoman at May 23, 2006 10:39 AM

I thought freedom to practice or not practice religious customs applied to all religions customs or rituals? If they really wanted to immerse them in the rituals and practices of Islam/Jihad why don't they make martyr videotapes, simulating a pre-suicide bombing ritual?

Where I work a handful of Muslims have been allowed to convert an empty and unused room into a improvised prayer room and management has let them get a away with it. They are already allowed preferential treatment in other ways. Curious to see what their reaction will be when we put up a cross and star of david in the room, a little plastic Budda, along with a few books by Bertrand Russell and Paul Kurtz.

They shouldn't have any problem with that, right?

Keep you posted.

All the best,
Mac

Posted by: amana39 at May 23, 2006 10:43 AM

The article fails to point out that the 9th Circuit reported out their decision with an unpublished opinion memorandum. What F*&king cowards !

Posted by: Hugh Payen at May 23, 2006 10:45 AM

freewoman says

(can't you imagine the horror of the parents if the kids put on a play like that? Boys beating the girls, mock beheadings, mock stonings, mock rape.)

They'd most likely demand separation of church and state.

Also, announce at the PTA meeting that no females will be allowed to attend school, because they are to stay home and be "home schooled" that women are only good for cooking and making babies.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at May 23, 2006 10:48 AM

I used to think wigs were silly, until, in my recent jury service, I saw the prosecuting and defending counsel together. One was a young black woman, and the other a much older, white man. The wigs were a great leveller, enabling both lawyers to be taken equally seriously.

Ha ha ha. That is absolutely f***ing priceless. What, because otherwise everyone would have been laughing at the black woman?

At least you're not patronising, eh Interested?

Posted by: Effractor at May 23, 2006 11:18 AM

When this first went to the 9th Circuit court, some JWers in past posts suggested as shortboard surfer has that the kids get to role play the whole enchilada. I remember one poster saying that they should divide the class into muslims and dhimmis for one week and then switch roles the next week.
I think they should also make the dhimmis pay jizya everyday as well as being allowed to rape any girl not wearing a tent, then, of course, stone her at lunch time for not being pure. The fellas could slide on over to the elementary school and scope out some six year old brides. They could also behead the boyfriend of any infidel girl they desire, in front of her of course, and then claim how magnanimous they are for taking in this poor abandoned girl. All ipods should only be allowed to have the call to prayer downloaded on them and the cafeteria should bring in a couple goats the so students could slit their throats and let them bleed to death. If any infidel is caught stealing, their hand could be cut off, but NO CRUCIFYING, because that would remind everyone of YOU KNOW WHO and we can't have THAT.

Needless to say, I am sickened by this. My sister's kids go to public school and I always tell her as California goes, so does the rest of the nation. I didn't click for me that the 9th circuit is a federal court, mentioned above by Heluga Khan, I thought of it as a state court. I hope this goes to the Supreme Court and gets lots of attention, but I won't hold my breath on account of the wussie MSM.

Posted by: No_Mooselimbs at May 23, 2006 11:29 AM

Not laughing, no, but if you think people aren't prejudiced against women, age and colour, you are very much mistaken. Having them both wear a uniform acknowledges the prejudice and deals with it, rather than pretending, as perhaps you Americans do, that it doesn't exist.

You're missing the point. Like stripes on a uniform, the wig is a badge of rank, and they are both equal.

Posted by: Interested at May 23, 2006 11:34 AM

The ruling, of course, is unconscionable, and completely inconsistent ...

Of course. "Establishment" opinion still has not caught up with reality. Consider this latest appalling gaffe from the Archbishop of Canterbury:

On a recent visit to a madrassa, or religious school, in Lahore, a mullah proudly handed me an envelope with a postage frank from Lambeth.

The enclosed letter was from the Archbishop of Canterbury, who had called in at the school a month or so before, and was full of praise for its work in promoting interfaith peace.

The mullahs were understandably delighted with the approving missive from England's top druid. They are strongly linked with a sectarian terrorist group responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Shia.

To ill-informed to know, too lazy to learn.

There is the Archbishop of Canterbury for you - or the Archbishop of cant and humbuggery, as he is appropriately known as over here. Tell a man like this what he wants to know and he's happy.

Posted by: Yojimbo at May 23, 2006 11:44 AM

cant and humbuggery...

Words to conjure with.

Posted by: Interested at May 23, 2006 11:47 AM

Yeah, all that prejudice is just going to seep away at the sight of an ill-fitting white wig on her head, isn't it?

I'm not American either. You'll have to take up their failings with them.

Posted by: Effractor at May 23, 2006 11:50 AM

Mr. Spencer-

As an expert witness in this case, can't you find one of the lawyers to get this appealed to the Supreme Court, where it must inevitably end up?

Either teach ALL religions or none in public schools.

And if they taught ALL, there would be no time left for any other subjects, given the number and variety of faiths, sects, cults, creeds and nominal religions on Earth.

Folly, thy name is 9th Circuit.

Johnny, thy name is Atta.

Janey, thine is Aiyesha.

(A little better than Asma Bint Marwan.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 23, 2006 11:53 AM

Yeah, all that prejudice is just going to seep away at the sight of an ill-fitting white wig on her head, isn't it?

Of course not. But the uniform of a barrister means that you see the office, not the person. This is how it should be. The same goes for a doctor's white coat or any other kind of uniform.

The barrister's outfit is old fashioned, to be sure, but dignified.

Posted by: Interested at May 23, 2006 11:54 AM

profitsbeard says:

"Either teach ALL religions or none in public schools."

Or offer a course in Comparitive Religons. I had a course like this in college (35 years ago). BTW, islam didn't fare so well. We ezamined the Qur'an in toto-not just the "Sunshine and Lollipops" suras.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at May 23, 2006 12:05 PM

cant and humbuggery...

Words to conjure with.

Bah!

Posted by: Yojimbo at May 23, 2006 12:06 PM

Apologies for the spelling errors in my post above-time for another cup of coffee.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at May 23, 2006 12:07 PM

I would be hell to live with if my children were being taught this #%#*. The parents need to raise enough hell that the schools would forget this little adventure into the darkside.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at May 23, 2006 12:15 PM

I would think the teachers who are the educated ones, would prepare for a class in islam and really understand what this cult stands for. A teacher with a conscience would NEVER allow this crap to be taught. If a teacher condones teaching islam to her students, then she must agree that rape, pedophilia, murder,stealing, and adultery is ok with her because if ole mo did it.....it's ok. These people must have moral standards and should be above reproach in dealing with our children.

People who have children in these classes should go in and flat out ask the teacher if she believes sex with children is ok, if murder is ok and if adultery is ok. Ask her if it's fine that islam teaches it's ok to beat women, rape them, stone them and sexually mutilate them. And if it's not ok with her, then she shouldn't promote and condone teaching the cult. And then politely tell her that YOU will raise your children in the religion you desire.

Posted by: freewoman at May 23, 2006 12:31 PM

profitsbeard

That's an interesting take. If some of the kids had wanted to take the names Osama, or Ayman, how would the teacher have reacted? After all, when Muslims are confronted with their kids being named Osama post 9/11, they are quick to point out that Osama was one of Mohammed's companions.

Actually, if that course is still being taught anywhere (not just Fresno), and any of the J/W readers has a kid in that class, maybe they could do what Surfboard Surfer and others above suggested: Boys beating girls, who role-play multiple pretend-wives, mock amputations, mock rape, shariah loans (that would really make Math teachers happy, since kids can ignore their lessons on Simple & Compound Interest, if that is taught in 7th grade), et al. Just make sure that they have the appropriate Quranic verses handy (along with Sunnah, if needed), so that a horrified teacher who protests that that would be a distortion of Islam is instantly corrected. Have the private statements of CAIR imams to their lemmings as further back-up to their claims.

Also, for those parents who have daughters and object to taking this class, can they simply avoid sending their daughters to school, and claim that they are role-playing what girls in Islamic countries do - not attend school? Claim that they are staying at home and washing dishes, while in fact, they may be doing what they normally do at home.

No_Mooselimbs

Look at the bright side - this is the most overturned court, besides being the most hated and ignomous court (with its decisions like the Pledge of Allegance, decreeing that Parents can't object to their kids being given sex ed, etc.) So if this case goes all the way to the SCOTUS, it would be more than half the battle won. While I have heard it said that it would be the first test of Roberts and Alito, I have a hunch this ruling may well be 9-0, or at the worst 7-2; despite some confusing rulings on Church-State separation matters, I don't see even the Liberals on this court interpreting it as appropriate.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 23, 2006 12:32 PM

Oh, I forgot, if islam is being taught to our children ( flat earth, mountains holding down the earth, sun setting in a mud puddle, women are not intelligent, camel urine cures all ills, dip a fly twice, satan lives in your nose at night, satan pees in your ear, a fetus starts out as a blood clot, sperm comes from your back, etc. etc. etc.).... talk about dumming down our children!!!

Posted by: freewoman at May 23, 2006 12:41 PM

"talk about dumming down our children!!!"

Turn them into a bunch of Dhimm Bulbs! (Sorry couldn't resist that one)

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at May 23, 2006 12:44 PM

evil is not pretty or cute.. evil does not have rights.... evil is just evil !....GOD told the children of ISRAEL to wipe evil out---they didnt listen....neither do we......we call islam peace and watch children die...evil is just evil...it has no rights!..

Posted by: storagemanager at May 23, 2006 12:45 PM

Keep the faith storagemanager, we know how the story ends!

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at May 23, 2006 12:56 PM

What exactly are the requirements for becoming a Moslem? Isn't it pretty simple (in keeping with the idiocy of their "religion")? Isn't it just saying some moronic phrase?

Posted by: Seymour Paine at May 23, 2006 12:58 PM

So ... are the children who take part in this going to be considered apostate moslems if they fail to continue being moslem after that two weeks are over?

I beleive sharia laws covers this ....

Posted by: Kristopher at May 23, 2006 1:00 PM

First, these parents and all of us that support them can call on President Bush to demand their resignations. Yes, they are appointed for life, but their resignations can be forced.

Second, I would meet with the schools and give them the agenda of Christian role playing, then Jewish role playing. The schools need to give equal time and we know they won't.

Thirdly, these parents would have gotten further by taking this to the public then by taking this to the courts. The Left already runs most court systems in the U.S., either by direct judicial appointment, or by trial presidence. Going to the courts is a Left agenda, if you are going to play by their rules, you have to realize they already own the referees on the field.

Lastly, find a way, but don't put your kids in public school. Most private schools (and NO, not liberal private schools) have grants, or scholarships, or even work programs. If you still can't get the kids in then talk to the grandparents, but FIND A WAY. Meet with the faculty at a private school and find a way to get your most valuble treaser a proper education. Private schools usually will have no problem even if you want to put on a fund raiser to create a scholarship fund. And if you can afford to pay for a child or afford some money, make a donation or sponser a child evan if the child is not yours so that someone can get their child in a private school.

The Left is winning by one mind at a time. It won't be your mind that the left will get, but will it be your childs?

Posted by: alaskan1000 at May 23, 2006 1:10 PM

The 9th is frequently overturned, and it should be on this.

Devil's advocate

- The children of Jehovah's Witness's are allowed to leave the classroom whenever any instruction disagrees with their faith. Something as simple as making a pumpkin has them jumping from their chairs and leaving the room. Because, horrors, it is too close to a jack-o-lantern.

-And, also, during a recent "winter festival" (formerly know as a Christmas assembly) a jewish teacher at the local school had her class sing The Dradle Song to "teach diversity". Even though Christmas songs had been outlawed, this was allowed, because it taught something unknown and "diverse", since none of the children were jewish but all had to sing it.

So it seems like the only children forced to do things outside their faith are the standard Christians.

Parents just don't know what is going on in the schools unless they visit alot.

Posted by: Borg at May 23, 2006 1:36 PM

in keeping with the idiocy of their "religion")? Isn't it just saying some moronic phrase?
........yes the phrases they want children to repeat for 2 weeks!

Posted by: storagemanager at May 23, 2006 2:02 PM

Now that these children have recited the shahadah (confession of faith) in front of witnesses in accordance with the Islamic canon, technically they are Muslims. And if they later retract their confession, technically they are apostates (murtad) which means that technically they are subject to the death penalty that is to be administered as a solemn duty by any Muslim who has the opportunity to do so. A Beslan type massacre of those children then becomes a religious duty for any Muslim who has the resources to carry it out.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at May 23, 2006 2:41 PM

Several days ago, there was a posting concerning a case in Kentucky. A Muslim girl, a senior in high school, was on a committe to plan graduation. She objected to the student-led prayer part, which is legally permissible. The ACLU backed her and it was decided that prayer would not be allowed at the ceremony. I saw a brief clip of the graduation. Over 200 students stood up to say a prayer, with most of the parents giving a stand ovation. The ACLU and the Muslim girl, with her enflamed sensitivities lost...at least one round.

Posted by: maryrose at May 23, 2006 2:56 PM

"Over 200 students stood up to say a prayer, with most of the parents giving a stand ovation."

Continuing Education. Sometimes the best lessons aren't always learned in the classroom.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at May 23, 2006 3:04 PM

The following hadith which is accepted by all schools of Islamic jurisprudence as being "sound" and is therefore considered an immutable canonical text, is the source of the obligation to kill apostates.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:

Narrated Ikrima:

"... for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at May 23, 2006 3:09 PM

The above post is one reason I don't think these teachers did their homework on islam. It's not a religion of peace by any means.

Posted by: freewoman at May 23, 2006 3:14 PM

California, Caliph-ornia, Caliphate in the making...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at May 23, 2006 5:01 PM

The term "Put Your Lights On" basically means "Watch Out," and is frequently addressed to the "sinners." When Everlast (Erik Schrody) left House Of Pain, he gave up alcohol and nicotine, then converted to Islam. The song has a religious meaning to him, and even includes the Muslim prayer "La Ilaha Il Allah," which translates to "There is only Allah." Everlast wasn't sure if he should leave that part in, but [Carlos] Santana, who is a very spiritual being, wanted it in there.

Posted by: Television at May 23, 2006 5:06 PM

PS: Carlos Santana also is fond of wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt in public.

Posted by: Television at May 23, 2006 5:08 PM

Our public schools should be places where students are innoculated against Islamic ideology, not tacitly duped into submission.

We have a federal agency called the Department of Education. We should use it in defense of our freedoms and our culture. The President, as the Chief Executive, should give the order to totally revise the curriculum on Islam and, in respect of the Islamic doctrine of taqiyya, to bar direct or indirect influence by practicing Muslims on that curriculum. I know that the Department of Education is not supposed to control curriculum. But this is a national defense issue, and the President must boldly cross that Rubicon.

This revised curriculum should not be a neutral treatment, because Islam is not neutral toward the free world. The unremitting hostility of Islam toward our freedoms must be clearly presented to our youth. The wealth of accurate material, historical and current, is readily available, as anyone at JW/DW knows. There is no excuse for presenting lies.

We should respect Islam for what it is. Respect does not mean we should tolerate its vile practices, or excuse its sorry history. It does mean we should tell our children the truth about an ideological monster that is plotting their subjugation. We should respect what the Muslims themselves daily declare by word and deed: that Islam is in a state of perpetual war against freedom, democracy, and the Constitution of the United States.

Posted by: Stendec at May 23, 2006 5:16 PM

This bit of bad news is worthy of sending out to family and friends...under the hesding "multiculturalism run amok."

Islam is given a free pass because of a bizarre distinction being made between religion and "culture." Everything described in the cirriculum sounds like religion to me.

One other thing. My daughter's world history book last year was similarly slanted. For example, the Crusader conquest of Jerusalem was explicit in its portrayal of Chtistian atrocities (which is fine; this is historical fact). But the Muslim conquest of Constantinople, in which nuns were raped and murdered and where "rivers of blood" flowed in the streets, was entirely sanitized. The emphasis was on the bravery of the Greek defenders, but not a word was written about Muslim atrocity.

How can we win back the battle of the text-books?

Posted by: Cornelius at May 23, 2006 5:21 PM

You all are wrong in this thread.

Lookit, inculcation-instead-of-education has been going on in our schools since the Hippies took over the academy in the early 80s. Did you think our nation's college students are all morons cuz they were born that way? Hell no, they were made that way!

The first political indoctrination courses were pro-sexist (i.e., anti-human male).

Then the teachers branched off into environmentalism.

Then a sustained two decade effort to indocrinate your basic principles of Marxism.

Next came the pro-homosexuality inculcation effort.

Now the effort is underway on Mohammedism.

MO INCULCATION MO INDOCTRINATION MO INSINUATION MO REGURGITATION MO

And why not? The teachers prepared our kids for Marxism and John Kerry almost won the election. That was a prep job darned well done.

Now the teachers are readying our kids for Sharia. This is a tougher nut than Marxism, so having our kids ready for Sharia is big priority that could take 30 yrs or so to pull off, just in time.

This work by our educators is very important and not to be held in low regard.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at May 23, 2006 5:34 PM

While I agree with that Muslim girl that public schools should not organize prayers at graduation ceremonies, this live-like-a-Muslim program was far more intrusive and coercive. Let's hope the 9th Circuit retracts its holding and saves the Supreme Court the trouble.

The panel's "opinion" is itself an outrage. It's only two pages and blandly affirms the lower court's holdings without much comment. See http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/coa/memdispo.nsf/pdfview/111705/$File/04-15032.PDF. It cited Brown v. Woodland Joint Unified Sch. Dist., 27 F.3d 1373, which involved only the use of books discussing witches and magic, not a 2-week re-enactment. The public has a right to expect a competent and thorough analysis when a court decides a new constitutional issue. I should mention that the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has many more judges than just the three that signed the opinion. Some cases are heard "en banc" with 10 or 11 judges.

For an interesting 1999 discussion of the problems involved in role-playing other people's religions, see http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/commentary.aspx?id=2484. The writer objects to a Native American "Court of Honor", something far less alarming than play-acting Mohammedanism.

Posted by: sceptico at May 23, 2006 6:03 PM

sceptico

The 9th circuit court link you connect to is a dead link.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 23, 2006 6:46 PM

"The 9th circuit court link you connect to is a dead link."--Infidel Pride

Sorry, it looks like the period at the end became part of the link. Try again:

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/coa/memdispo.nsf/pdfview/111705/$File/04-15032.PDF

Posted by: sceptico at May 23, 2006 6:51 PM

I can imagine the teaching staff's reaction after the following occurs during the 2 week Mohammedan enactment.

Little Johnny cuts big sis's throat for dating an infidel.
Amputates Dad's hand for stealing the last chocolate cookie from the pack.
Organizes with other kids in the exercise a stoning to death of Mom for leaving the house without wearing a hijab.
Sends lil bro Timmy to kindergarten wearing a bomb belt and detonates it by remote during religous studies.

Johnny's excuse to the principal when hauled to his office ?

" Aw gee,
I was only acting a true muslim as laid out in the Koran."

Posted by: protestcat at May 23, 2006 6:53 PM

sceptico

Thanks, and silly me, I should have noticed.

From the ruling

1. The Byron Union School District’s (District) Islam program did not violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. The Islam program activities were not “‘overt religious exercises’ that raise Establishment Clause concerns.”

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 23, 2006 7:02 PM

protestcat

I think the students should perform such Islamic rituals on their teachers, rather than on each other.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 23, 2006 7:03 PM

Hi all,Due to the increase in islam being taught in my childs school in the UK i am at a loss to describe how alone i feel, i do not want my child being brainwashed, for the past 2 weeks every day my child tells me how she MUST respect muslims,even her spellings now contain referances to india,school books also give the impression of a 90 percent population of ethnics.This i have known about for a long time i have approached one headmaster about this only to have my child sat in the corner of a classroom doing nothing when RE is being taught,now the teaching of islam is spreading to other classroom topics other than RE,if we live in such a multicultural society why is this religon given preferance and why is my child not being taught British history,sorry for the rant folks but i am realy wound up over the lack of respect for our culture in the UK.

Posted by: Laststand at May 23, 2006 8:28 PM

California, Caliph-ornia, Caliphate in the making... Posted by: sheik yer'mami

Or would it be Mecca, CA, that kids would be praying towards?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 23, 2006 8:40 PM

Laststand

Is everybody, regardless of whether they are Muslim or not, forced to put up with this? If so, Britain could be a worse destination for Indian students than some Gulf states, where there are Indian schools where Indian curricula are followed. Granted, that from those text books, any pictures of Hindu religious figures are defaced, but at least, one wouldn't be forced to learn about Islam that way.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 23, 2006 8:45 PM

Laststand, read as much as you can on islam. Go to the principal and teachers of her school and ask them if they believe molesting children, raping women , girls and boys, beheading, slavery, lying and cheating is ok with them. If they say why NO why would you ask such a thing, just say, you are teaching islam and islam condones this awful behavior.

Then take it to the streets , or the newspapers, other parents, and the school board.

Posted by: freewoman at May 23, 2006 9:16 PM

From the ruling: "The Islam program activities were not “‘overt religious exercises’ that raise Establishment Clause concerns.”

Did I miss something?

Reciting Muslim prayers and chanting the Muslim profession of faith is NOT an overt religious exercise?

Of all the heart-breaking stories one imbibes at Jihadwatch, this bit of news ranks as one of the most troubling.

Posted by: Cornelius at May 23, 2006 9:20 PM

I would hazard a guess that these kids are all, officially, considered moslem now, by moslems.

Nice going judge.

Posted by: dby at May 23, 2006 9:39 PM

And all this goes almost completely unnoticed in the news - the only show that I heard mention this at all was Mark Levin and Lee Rodgers.

Are we now losing all the talk show hosts as well?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at May 24, 2006 2:11 AM

Another reason the judiciary needs to be flushed out at all levels. Here in California we have our election coming on june 6th. (NO on 81 & 82 btw) I was looking at my sample ballot and saw the office of judges for the superior court labelled as "nonpartisan judicial" Wtf? Talk about an oxymoron. So I just went and did the legwork, almost all of them have websites. Just go and see who is endorsing them. It was more process of elimination. I looked for the wack job far left people/groups that gave the endorsements then eliminated that candidate.
For instance Shelia Kuehl? (the one who initated the recent gay textbook legislation in Ca) gave an endorsement. Oops that candidate just lost my vote! Stay informed, do your homework. Which sounds odd for me to say since I didn't vote for over 10 years. Thanks to the judicial activism I saw with prop 187. But you can thank the hate & venom from the left side of America for driving me back to the voting booth.

Posted by: flyingcarpetdust at May 24, 2006 3:10 AM

freewoman--lol--

"satan lives in your nose at night"

I wondered who that was in my nose...

Posted by: HaMalach at May 24, 2006 3:55 AM

Thanks for replying to my post,i have researched a bit on islam and did not like what i viewed ,i have raised plenty of issues with friends and strangers it seems we have plenty to talk about but little action ,i will teach my children myself after they come home from school,i for one will not give in to the social infrastructure the newbies are creating.A local taxi driver has just lost taxi his licence for flying the England flag on his car he made a stand and lost his job this is why people are scared to air there views you get to lose your job or worse.

Posted by: Laststand at May 24, 2006 12:57 PM

Great post Robert, but you missed (what I thought) was the most telling part of the article:

'In the California course on world religions, Christianity is not presented equally. It's covered in just two days and doesn't involve kids in any role-playing activities. But kids do get a good dose of skepticism about the Christian faith, including a biting history of its persecution of other peoples. In contrast, Islam gets a pass from critical review. Even jihad is presented as an "internal personal struggle to do one's best to resist temptation," and not holy war.'

It's all a very good argument for vouchers.

Posted by: MarcH at May 24, 2006 1:33 PM

Freewoman! Have you got a list of more of those little Muslimisms? That's the kind of stuff the kids would eat up.

Calfornians on this list should bombard Governor Terminator and the California Department of Education to pull this entire scene from the curriculum.

There are elections coming up, including the California Senate and Assembly. We need to demand these people state where they are at on this issue.

Re the Ninth Circuit Court - their rulings are not the "law of the land", they are only valid in the states covered by the 9th Circuit (generally the Western US)

Judges on the federal court and all federal courts are, I believe, subject to impeachment by the House of Representatives, just like the President is, for crimes and high misdemeanors, and trial by the Senate, but I am not sure they can be fired on the basis of a ruling, however heineous. I also do not think that impeachment of a federal judge ever occurred, although there was an attempt to impeach Douglas. Any lawyers out there on what we can do about these judges for life?

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at May 24, 2006 2:53 PM

Jimmy Bones and everyone -- I highly recommend reading online sites such as "Ask the Imam!" ( http://islam.tc/ask-imam/index.php)

Not to be vulgar, but place a word such as "hair" or "fingernail" or "urine" in their search area and see the insanity begin. There are rules on when to cut your fingernails -- what to do with them after you cut them -- the best day to cut them -- what to do if urine drips on something -- all the ways that ritual cleaning (which doesn't sound too clean) can be screwed up by any number of bizarre circumstances -- there are rules about all the hair on your body (You must do a wide variety of things to/with it... it's quite scary/amuzing/depressing...)

Any way -- another thing to check is any good online reference for the Suras and Hadiths, or the Koran itself. There is a never ending river of insanity and rediculousness surrounding Islam. How any person takes any of it seriously eludes me -- as someone else has said here many times -- it's an all encompassing belief system with rules for virtually EVERY aspect of human life. And much of it is based on the supposedly "perfect" life of Islam's founder Muhammad.

There are rules governing the most intimate aspects of life -- Many Muslims will brag about this 'completeness' -- for sane healthy Westerners -- the nitty gritty about Islam is nothing short of REVOLTING. Your head will spin the more you learn...

Posted by: jsla at May 28, 2006 12:26 AM