I just hope and pray that Tony Blair doesn't see his own shadow. He'll jump with such a frightful start that he'll bang his progressive nogging onto the corner of the fireplace in the great room at 10 Downing.

Who'll be at the helm then? Livingstone? Galloway? Neville Chamberlain?

I say put Londonite Madonna in charge. At least she's a fake Jew.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at June 4, 2006 4:17 PM

I say fly that flag proudly England. Let it be a warning to the barbarians of what you are capable of doing when provked.

Posted by: William The Crusader at June 4, 2006 4:28 PM

This is about the saddest news ever. The British flag went from a standard of world power into the dhimmi dumper.

Posted by: scooter at June 4, 2006 4:30 PM

Who'll be at the helm [if Tony Blair bangs] his progressive nogging onto the corner of the fireplace

I think the fat groper Prescott is still officially Deputy Prime Minister. But I can't see it - the country would die laughing. He's remarkable for nothing other than a marginal talent for using the Labour movement as a stepping-stone to wealth and power - and for bullying underlings (and sexually harassing them if they're female). Good Lord, the man can barely string a sentence together. But he's only there to prove that New Labour isn't only a party of lawyers, doctors, and accountants, but is still a party of labour. (As if!) But no one's buying his act any more.

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 4, 2006 4:37 PM

Of course, the Union Jack incorporates the crosses of St. George, St. Andrew, and St. Patrick. Three saints must be three times as bad. How could Geri Halliwell have been so "insensitive" to the snivelling multiculturalists as to have worn this?

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1274149.jpg

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 4, 2006 4:45 PM

"We are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe. ... I believe it is "peace for our time." Go home and get a nice quiet sleep" -N. C. 1938

Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at June 4, 2006 4:46 PM

If the brits let themthelves be pushed around by their muslim dogs then they deserve not better, but should they become soccer world champion then they will have to tar and feather those managers who gave this orders and parade them through the streets.

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at June 4, 2006 4:49 PM

Another "no piggybanks" story.

You can't move for England flags.

What a load of twaddle.

Posted by: Interested at June 4, 2006 4:53 PM

Gotta tellya, that "no piggybanks" story really ticked me off.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at June 4, 2006 5:03 PM

Well we are risking being thought a chav.
I don't know how the neighbours got the bunting across the street as it just appeared while I was out. I have a flag on my car, so does my husband and I have the badge on my coat.
I think this story is a little exaggerated.
Fear not, we have reclaimed our flag.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 4, 2006 5:11 PM

My area of north London is about as mixed race as it gets, and the place is heaving with England flags. Some of the people sticking them in their windows may even be Muslims, in which cases their support of the England football team is to be encouraged.

Looking at the original Sun article, as opposed to the nutty Israeli website cited above, it seems that the pub chain Wetherspoons has banned football colours for some time now. Wetherspoons is a family friendly pub chain. Amongst other things it bans music. British football fans are notorious for their rowdiness and drunkenness, and this is not the clientèle that it wanted to attract, so this is a reasonable measure to discourage them.

But no, don't let this influence anybody. We're doomed. In fact I may as well give up and convert right now. Allahu akbar.

Posted by: Interested at June 4, 2006 5:12 PM

To be sure, Interested. But that doesn't mean that some mean-spirited organizations have not tried to stop their employees displaying them - Salford Council, or whoever it subcontracts to, for a start has. The article gets it out of proportion, but there is a story here; it's just that it's not as dramatic a one as it thinks.

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 4, 2006 5:15 PM

Putting it mildly.

Posted by: Interested at June 4, 2006 5:19 PM

I had a very bad experience working for Wetherspoons so enough said about them. A family arranged a christening party in the no smoking area and the baby was chucked out as underage. The same idiot didn't recognise me (I didn't work there long) and tried to chuck me out when I went to collect my wages because I had sprogface with me.

There have been a handful of organisations afflicted by Health and Safety paranoia as much as ethnic minority PCnoia who have tried to discourage flags but many, if not most, have changed their minds in the face of public opinion, including that of their employees etc.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 4, 2006 5:36 PM

I had a very bad experience working for Wetherspoons

Not my favourites - what chain would be any good? - but at least the beer is well-kept and cheap, and they don't have muzak.

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 4, 2006 5:42 PM

They're very much a pub chain - quite bland and conformist. Rather New Labour, except for the fact that they serve alcohol. Won't be long before New Labour turns them all into juice bars.

If anything you see more flags around now than you did when it's World Cup time. Perhaps it is a reaction against political correctness. I hope so. If Muslims don't like it, tough - a signal is being sent out that says support our country whatever your race or religion.

Posted by: Interested at June 4, 2006 5:44 PM

This Story banner headline should read as thus

ENGLAND not afraid to fly its own flag

however bunch of worthless afraid Dhimmis are

trust me the st george is flying high and proud in england

and if muslims here dont like it, heathrow, gatwick and stanstead all have aircraft leaving soon to islamic states

bye bye you wont be missed

Posted by: Taranus at June 4, 2006 5:49 PM

If anything you see more flags around now than you did when it's World Cup time.

Some pubs seem to have put them up for St. George's Day and not taken them down again - simply left them up for the World Cup. A lot of shops and a lot of private houses have been displaying them for a long time, too. As you say, it may have wider implications than just the football. I think people are beginning to be a bit sick of nanny PC.

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 4, 2006 5:54 PM

Yojimbo - I think it does go deeper than football. And the fact that you see so many flags in such a mixed race area as mine means that it is nothing to do with the BNP, but nationalism in a good sense.

Nationalism is a much maligned concept in my view. Without nation states you have tribes or totalitarian supra-national ideologies such as Communism or Islam. The nation state guarantees rights to individuals, particularly ethnic minorities from more backward cultures who came here to escape those cultures.

Posted by: Interested at June 4, 2006 6:11 PM

well,hopefully all the infidels in England will have a great big protest and make sure EVERONE see's the flag.Someone should gather together wairing differant parts of the flag,then when they stand up,you will see the flag.They cant arrest everybody.

Posted by: patriot4 at June 4, 2006 6:33 PM

I just hope and pray that Tony Blair doesn't see his own shadow. He'll jump with such a frightful start that he'll bang his progressive nogging onto the corner of the fireplace in the great room at 10 Downing.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at June 4, 2006 04:17 PM

Sometimes I see a strange expresion on Tony Blair's face.
Kind of a wide eyed vacant look.
The expression reminds me of someone who is so shocked by the magnitude of something he his contemplating, he is a hair's breadth from screaming out in terror.

Posted by: Mike_W at June 4, 2006 7:22 PM

Who cares about offending the Welsh? That's just silly. If the Welsh feel so strongly about this, they should get their own team and their own radio station.

We're going to lose anyway, flags or not.

Posted by: Interested at June 4, 2006 7:47 PM

I'm just waiting for al-Muhajiroun to demand a ban on the lower-case "t."

ThaT mighT Take some geTTing used To.

Posted by: Shinoliite at June 4, 2006 8:42 PM

"from an organisation that no longer exists and whose leader is in Beirut!!!"

Interesting argument.. An organization that doesn't exist, has a leader..

Posted by: dwntmpo at June 4, 2006 9:21 PM

Geez:

"fake Jews", "zionazis", "nutty Israelis", "Nationalism is a much maligned concept" and "the Welsh" --

Secret BNP convention?

Posted by: jsla at June 4, 2006 9:22 PM

The last time I was in the UK (for the FA Cup Final on May 13th) a lot of people were already flying the Cross of St. George and I know the English won't be easily intimidated or fall for that kind of political correctness. If I lived there I'd have my Cross of St. George stuck to the window - and that's exactly what I'm going to do over here (Germany). Come on, England.

No surrender to the muslim / socialist intimidation!

Posted by: disillusioned_german at June 4, 2006 9:29 PM

jsla, I know there's no point in arguing with you, but can you really not tell the difference between the phrases: "nutty Israelis" and "nutty Israeli website"?

Posted by: Interested at June 4, 2006 9:32 PM

P.S.:

Interested: The bull-dog spirit shown by Steven Gerrard (who could hardly walk properly) in the FA Cup Final will stand England in good stead. I was on the losing side in the FA Cup Final but there's a good spirit in the England camp. Let's hope this will transfer to the English people.

I've been to Cardiff three times in the past three years and I never noticed any hostility in the Welsh. After all we're still members of the human race - which most muslims aren't.

Posted by: disillusioned_german at June 4, 2006 9:34 PM

The Welsh are fine - silly accents, of course, but good eggs - but when it comes to soccer, forget it. Rugby's their game.

Posted by: Interested at June 4, 2006 9:40 PM

Hey. The sword on the Saudi flag offends ME. Ban the Saudi flag.

Posted by: jay at June 4, 2006 9:42 PM

Erm, we (West Ham) have got three Welsh Internationals in our squad so I beg to differ (somewhat).

The big question is: Would Welsh nationalism help them being immune from the kind of islamisation Labour seem to have planned for the whole of the British Isles?

I don't live far from Frankfurt and I'm slightly worried that there will be a terrorist attack during the World Cup. After all the German authorities aren't known to act aggressively.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: disillusioned_german at June 4, 2006 9:47 PM

disillusioned german,

If you see any suspicious Muslims, just tell the authorities that you saw some white racists disguised as Muslims -- the authorities will move like lightning.

Posted by: Television at June 4, 2006 10:11 PM

Ex-Mossad chief warns of Muslim European cities

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3258745,00.html

Ephraim Halevy says ‘by mid-century major cities in Germany, Russia will have Muslim majority; ‘we are in the middle of World War Three,’ he adds.

Ahiya Raved

Former Mossad Director said Sunday during a meeting of the board of trustees of the Technion in Haifa that in his estimation "by the middle of the century major cities in Germany will have a Muslim majority and so will many federations in Russia."

Halevy spoke of the Islamic terror, saying it is “the main problem of the world today."

"We are in the middle of World War Three, and I see no end to it," he said.

Halevy said that he had spoken recently with a Russian official who disagreed with his prediction regarding the growing Muslim population in Europe.

'Can yesterday's devil become today's partner?'

The former head of the Mossad also addressed the issue of Hamas, saying it is "a young movement, only 19 years-old, and it is a ruthless enemy of Israel. The success of the defense establishment in fighting this organization is immense. Since the disengagement Hamas is not working against Israel, not because it likes Israel but because it's acting against its own interests."

Halevy said he was pondering over whether Hamas’ proposal for a long-term Hudna (ceasefire) should be reexamined: "Despite it all, in a changing world like ours, we to think differently, and I suggest we assess the long-term Hudna proposal. If the Hudna is for many years, that means it's no longer a ceasefire but a truce. That begs the question – can yesterday's devil become today's partner?"

He said he does not believe Israel should insist that Hamas recognize Israel. "We don't need its recognition. It needs Israel's recognition more."

(06.04.06, 22:03)

Posted by: Ben-Hur at June 4, 2006 10:18 PM

Secret BNP convention?

Jeez,jsla, put your thinking cap on.

My "fake Jew" reference was that a nitwit celebrity like Madonna would be the best option, given that no real Jew would ever be allowed to take over the UK, which is a damned shame.

I mean, Ariel Sharon would be great, but I hear he's incapacitated.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at June 4, 2006 10:22 PM

Disraeli? A genuine Jew. 19th Century under Queen Victoria (Morose, pouty. Perhaps she disliked the Jews? She's the Q who sported a little tiny crown and always wore black and had 20 children or more. OK -- equivocation #2. by me in this thread... I don't know how many she had, but it was a downright brood.)

I don't think it could happen now in the UK (Jewish PM, that is), so on that specific point you're probably completely correct.

Posted by: jsla at June 4, 2006 11:29 PM

jsla

From what I remember, Disraeli converted to Christianity. That too, long before he became PM.

Also, wasn't the last leader of the Tories a Jew? What became of him?

Yojimbo

I doubt that the crosses of St Andrew or St Patrick may be offensive, since no crusade was launched against the Saracens by the Scots or the Irish. Not that that would necessarily stop the Mohammedans from being offended by it.

P.S. I used to think that St David of Wales had a cross that was a white horizontal (as opposed to diagonal) flag against a blue background - since that was the only pattern that didn't constitute the whole picture of the Union Jack.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2006 12:20 AM

jsla,

Not quite sure how your comment fits in but Disraeli was baptised and brought up as a Christian - in his time, Jews could not even be MPs. Oddly, everyone still regarded him as Jewish and were quite happy with this.

I agree that, even if legally possible, a Jew could probably never become PM now though people did not seem so concerned about Michael Howard's being one. There are now few if any Jewish Labour MPs - there used to be many.

Posted by: philiph35 at June 5, 2006 12:21 AM

At a glance Denmark, Australia, Sweden, Finland, Norway, New Zealand, Greece, Iceland, have crosses on their flags.. NEXT!!!

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at June 5, 2006 12:40 AM

Yes this is true, but Disraeli was ethnically Jewish, and the point was made that no Jew could ever "take over the UK". Nor, I hope, could anybody else.

Disraeli was greatly respected, I believe, for his oratory skills, intelligence, and wit. But he was thought of as Jewish in his day, of that I am certain, and pleasantly and perhaps surprisingly, this didn't seem to be an especially debilitating issue in Britain in the 1800s. I doubt the poster knew any of this.

The reason this topic even came up was a post I made observing the repeated (and not always very nice) references to Jews above. I said I thought the thread was starting to look like a secret BNP meeting. It was partially in jest, and partially not.

Posted by: jsla at June 5, 2006 1:11 AM

jsla

I get your point - I thought you were talking about Judaism the religion, rather than Jews as a Semitic race.

But like philiph35 noted above, Michael Howard could have been PM had he defeated Blair in the last election. But I do think that whichever parties choose to go after the now sizable Muslim vote in UK can't affort to field a Jewish candidate for PM. It's a shame, since Britain once showed the way in the self-determination of Jews.

Stupid question - are all Jews racially Semites, or is there a sizable number of non-Semitic Jews i.e. Anglo-Saxon, Norman, Celtic, Gothic, Gaulic, et al?
(Don't give me Madonna as an example.)

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2006 1:49 AM

"Yes, I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the right honourable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon."
- Benjamin D'Israeli, in response to Irish nationalist politician Daniel O'Connell, who orated against D'Israeli for being a Jew, during a session of the House of Commons

Posted by: Shy Guy at June 5, 2006 1:54 AM

From above

But I do think that whichever parties choose to go after the now sizable Muslim vote in UK can't affort to field a Jewish candidate for PM.

That really is a disturbing thought.

Posted by: km at June 5, 2006 2:03 AM

Cowards!

The brave Englishmen of years past who sacrificed their lives for Britian understood that Christianity was an important aspect of British society.

A Christian symbol on its own flag was a way of representing the Christian identity of Britian.

The brave Englishmen of years past are probably rolling over in their graves after discovering what is happening right now in Britian with the national flag.

Posted by: Johnathan at June 5, 2006 2:05 AM

That really is a disturbing thought. Posted by: km

I think it's more shameful that parties would rather pander to the Muslim vote, rather than stand on principle, and risk losing.

Since the Tories did have Michael Howard leading them, I believe they may be more immune to it than Labour. However, their vice chair Sayeeda Warshis recent statement supporting Kashmiri seccession i.e. Islamization has rubbed Hindus the wrong way. I do hope they determine for themselves two things

• How badly do they need the Muslim vote;
  
• How likely are they to trump Labour in that department

It's their call. One thing's for sure - they can have support of Hindus, Jews, et al, or they can have Muslim support. They can't have both.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2006 3:28 AM

That really is a disturbing thought. Posted by: km

I think it's more shameful that parties would rather pander to the Muslim vote, rather than stand on principle, and risk losing.

Since the Tories did have Michael Howard leading them, I believe they may be more immune to it than Labour. However, their vice chair Sayeeda Warshis recent statement supporting Kashmiri seccession i.e. Islamization has rubbed Hindus the wrong way. I do hope they determine for themselves two things

• How badly do they need the Muslim vote;
  
• How likely are they to trump Labour in that department

It's their call. One thing's for sure - they can have support of Hindus, Jews, et al, or they can have Muslim support. They can't have both.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2006 3:28 AM

Hi Disillusioned_german, you may not have won the cup in the end but we both had good seasons overall!
And I agree with you about the flags.

I am very optimistic about our chances in the World Cup, but then I am optimistic by nature.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 5, 2006 3:31 AM

lol Granny... with Becks as captain i'm bracing up for another disappointment. Man Gerrard or even Terry would do...

Neeways methinks this story is overtly exaggerated. The Bangladeshi-owned cornershop where i work part-time is doing a brisk business in flags and more than half the customers are Muslims....

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at June 5, 2006 4:21 AM

this post is on the wrong track. And to all those (not in England) who bemone the fact that the English are too scared to fly their own flag, and are somehow doing it to appease the muslims...you could not be further from the truth. At the moment the whole country is flying the cross of St. George. Care and vans, homes, pubs, shops, and most importantly, the people (wearing the three lions is a nationalistic and fashion statement). If you attended english foorball games, or the cricket mateches I drive past in the english countryside....you would hear a pride for England that is strong, non-racist, and determined to do what it takes to beat radical Islam.

Posted by: albion at June 5, 2006 4:37 AM

Since the Tories did have Michael Howard leading them, I believe they may be more immune to it than Labour.

True. Not only was the first Jewish Prime Minister a Conservative, but also the first woman Prime Minister. If we have an openly gay or black PM, they are more likely to be Conservative.

This is because New Labour, particularly, and the Left generally, is intolerant of mavericks.

Anyway, driving to work today, I could see loads and loads of England flags. It is mean of the companies in question to ban them - if true - but if you live here and look around you really can't miss them. Some are really tacky, some quite dignified.

Posted by: Interested at June 5, 2006 5:35 AM

Never seen so many England flags flying for a world cup. The more Tony and Co. try to restrict us the more we see the light. Tony's multi-cult experiment is derailing fast. Sadly we will truly see the "rivers of blood" flow in our streets before too long.

Posted by: UKInfidel at June 5, 2006 5:46 AM

Assalamau-Laikum all,

This seems llike a silly thread. The world cup is there for all to enjoy (even though sadly Pakistan did not quality this time round).

I say to you ...wave all the flags that you want to ...however it is the drinking aspects that I am more concerned about.

Any win (because I cannot see England progressing in the tournament by much) will generate lots of wind slutty womens behaviour...and this is to kept to a minimum.

Also lots of drinking will lead to bad possibly violent behaviour ...again not to be encouraged.

I would recommend the temporary setting up of Islamic "alcoholic drying up centers" to encourage peoples to give up alcohol.... at least in between matches.

One final thing to be discouraged is tattos...particularly on womens. Better to wear jilbabs to cover them up...no reason not to wear a jilbab to football matches.

Following my recommendations will not spoil your enjoyment of the tournament ....but will start to bring in (long overdue) sensabilities.

Posted by: Naseem at June 5, 2006 8:47 AM

If allah didn't want the women to be slutty he would not make them that way. He controls all things don't you know. So stop worrying about them.

Posted by: Borg at June 5, 2006 9:40 AM

Pakistan has a football team? What are they using as a ball? Stones or the cut-off heads of Christian school-girls???

Granny: Yes, absolutely right. And congratulations to the Orient for playing in the same division as Millwall next season! ;-)

In the olden days I could see Brisbane Road from the tube but nowadays they put a fitness centre there which blocks my view.

Wouldn't it be fitting if England won the World Cup and the Cross of St. George would fly proudly?

By the way... I read in a German newspaper that Turkey are planning to host their national super-cup and their home matches (Euro 2008 qualifiers) in Frankfurt. And the German authorities seem to be alright with that (our Turkish friends)!

Posted by: disillusioned_german at June 5, 2006 10:32 AM

Cigareets an' whuskey an' wild slutty womens,
They'll drive you crazy, they'll drive you insane...
Oh Naseem Old Girl, you do play Devil's advocate well sometimes!

In the olden days I could see Brisbane Road from the tube but nowadays they put a fitness centre there which blocks my view.
The area is indeed much changed.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 5, 2006 11:40 AM

PhilipH35, my MP is a Jewish Labour MP ... but yes, also anti-Israel.

Albion is right - my local Asda (that's Wal-Mart to Americans) is full of Muslim shoppers and assistants and has a halal section, and it's also doing a roaring trade in England flags.

Naseem, if we win a match I promise you I will behave like anything. Hic!

WSW

Posted by: Wild Slutty Womens at June 5, 2006 12:34 PM

my MP is a Jewish Labour MP ... but yes, also anti-Israel.

It's not Gerald Kaufman, is it?

BTW, your posting name makes me think of Rigsby in Rising Damp. He said in one episode: "Don't talk to me about the permissive society. It doesn't exist. I should know: I've been looking for it for twenty years." Frankly, I don't think the "wild slutty womens" exist to any great extent outside Naseem's lurid imagination.

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 5, 2006 1:03 PM

Rising Damp - now there was a show and a half. Richard Bekinsale and Don Warrington. It's enough to make me go all wild and slutty. Naseem, please save me from myself.

Posted by: Interested at June 5, 2006 1:33 PM

Interested,

You are badly in the need of the jilbabs and Allah and laying off the booze. Who do you think you are? Wild slutty Mother Brown dancing with her knees up doing the Lambeth Walk? All womens need to be controlled into their natural place by order of the prophet and ban that boogie sound which degenerate the faithful as the Clash (peace be upon them) have made clear.

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 5, 2006 2:20 PM

Non-Muslims are offensive to Muslims. There's no two ways about it. Everything about the non-Muslim is kafir to the Muslim!!!

I guess the Brits will have to stay indoors most of their time nowadays lest the Muslims see THEIR shadows. Truly, isn't the mere shadow of a non-Muslim sufficient to provoke disgust in a Muslim, is it not???

We can't have the Brits go around OFFENDING British Muslims now, can we??? They'll just have to stay indoors as long as their food supplies will last them... or perhaps even longer.

Posted by: pythagoras at June 5, 2006 2:26 PM

Tony Parsons says some sensible things in todays Mirror.

The St George flag has been reclaimed from the far right but will it ever be reclaimed from White Van Man?

So, is flying the flag of St George a working class thing? Why do you see it fluttering above council homes but not stately homes? To fly or not to fly? As we enter World Cup week, that is the quest

In America they fly the flag everywhere - millionaires and trailer trash alike get all teary at the sight of Old Glory.

But things are changing. The English are starting to wake up to the fact that the flag of St George is the one and only flag we have.

Over the next month, whatever happens to Sven's men, we are going to realise that the St George flag now transcends class, race and all the rest of it.

Let it fly on Chelsea tractors as well as white vans. Let it be waved by both posh boys and wide boys.

Let the flag of St George be something we learn to love and recognise as our own. Let 50 million flags unfurl.

Because when the robot dancing starts in Deutschland, we will see once and forever that the flag of St George is the only flag we have.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 5, 2006 2:46 PM

For God's sake England - fly YOUR flag in YOUR country and don't feel GUILT for it.

I can't believe it's come to this.

You are a nation of human beings who have made mistakes and have mistreated people in the past, of course. What country can deny that? Not even the Vatican can make that claim.

Acknowledge yourself and the good things you've done.

You've given birth to the best and brightest countries and traditions around the world. You saved or strengthened other cultures which are beneficial to the world. YOUR language is the means of business and scientific communications.

Fly the flag of St. George. It is from your past and should be part of your future. Your ancestors did some good in the world that has made a difference.

For God's sake don't hide the fact because of fears of what some idiots 'might do'.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 5, 2006 2:58 PM

"For God's sake England - fly YOUR flag in YOUR country and don't feel GUILT for it.

I can't believe it's come to this.

You are a nation of human beings who have made mistakes and have mistreated people in the past, of course. What country can deny that? Not even the Vatican can make that claim.

Acknowledge yourself and the good things you've done.

You've given birth to the best and brightest countries and traditions around the world. You saved or strengthened other cultures which are beneficial to the world. YOUR language is the means of business and scientific communications.

Fly the flag of St. George. It is from your past and should be part of your future. Your ancestors did some good in the world that has made a difference.

For God's sake don't hide the fact because of fears of what some idiots 'might do'. "

What he said.

Posted by: UKInfidel at June 5, 2006 5:14 PM

Hey Naseem, great comments:

We certainly don't like to see alcohol fuelled violence, personally I find it attrocious as do the majority of people who drink alchohol. You see alcohol has a chemical affect which makes some people do things they wouldn't normally do. Muslims cause far more violence, not only sobre but because your God and prophet demands it, the difference is, the drunks sobre up. I pity you. But hey, great rage post all the same. Lol.

Posted by: UKInfidel at June 5, 2006 5:25 PM

Basically, Naseems is envious and wants all that free sexes for herselfs and her childrens.

Incidentally, will the Saudi team, which did qualify, be playing in their jilbabs? That should prevent them from going all wild and slutty.

WSW, that's an even greater name if in fact, you happen to be a men. (I'm speaking Naseemese here, just in case you're all appalled at my grammer).

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 5, 2006 6:17 PM

If allah didn't want the women to be slutty he would not make them that way. He controls all things don't you know. So stop worrying about them. Posted by: Borg

Which, according to TRUE, not dissimulationist,Islam is a fact. There is no free will in Islam, all is the will of Allah, so the question is why do Muslims get upset, and have such harsh laws (Shari'a) and such outraged reaction. That the west is ahead of the Islamic world, that Israel occupies it's own native soil, IS the will and work of Allah. So why the violence, Jihad, anger, angst, and why does Naseem even bother, since all (including her own miserable, low, less than status) is the will of Allah. Hmm, she accepts without flinching, rejoices in, defends and seeks to propigate her miserable less than status as a woman, because it is the will of her Allah and no Muslim "dare" question Allah, just like no well beat kid or wife dare question Daddy.. in fact the whole thing with authoritarian structures is that one does not question authority, for if authority is questioned then it is obviously not an authority.

Posted by: Nariz at June 5, 2006 7:21 PM

'Flagolatry' has never been a British thing: the semi-sacred status some other countries ascribe to these glorified tea towels has always struck most people here as a bit naff. Also this flag of St George thing is by and large only a decade old - if you look at old clips of the 1966 world cup final you'll see that nearly everyone is waving union jacks.

Posted by: wallyUK at June 5, 2006 7:37 PM

... if you look at old clips of the 1966 world cup final you'll see that nearly everyone is waving union jacks.

Yes, that was an earlier form of political correctness. It was so drummed into the English that they were British that they even forgot what their own flag was over time. (There are official forms that invite people to state their "ethnicity", the choices being whether they are British, Scottish, etc. ... yet "British" (taken from the Roman name for the island) was supposed to be the new term to cover both Englishmen and Scots after the Act of Union.)

The Union Jack would be appropriate for a rugby match involving the British Lions; it makes no sense at a England soccer match, as people finally twigged.

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 6, 2006 3:27 AM

Here's an article from http://www.france-echos.com ,a letter really, translated through the web site
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http://www.france-echos.com/actualite.php?cle=9498">http://trans.voila.fr/voila?systran_lp=fr_en&systran_id=Voila-fr&systran_f=100000000000&systran_url=http://www.france-echos.com/actualite.php?cle=9498

I do not have the right to put a French flag...

... on my balcony during the World cup. Ca makes National Front.
Pradet (VAr), HLM, June 3, 2006. My neighbor passes a flag blue-white-red to me by the balcony, to leave it when it is the World cup.

My neighbors of bottom, of..., insult us, and want to strike my handicapped husband and my daughter. She is too French, green miniskirt, blonde, eyes, a whore what.

They are in force by the number thus very in mouth and the mother who dances and the girls and daughter-in-law, wire, future son-in-law insult us, threaten to kill my children etc.

Neighbors come to our assistance. The police force arrives and I show them the handrails that it is not the first time that that arrives. I should not put National the Front flag on the balcony, it is that they said like reason.

The flag blue-white-red is a flag of FRANCE, above it is not written of political party.

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Posted by: Borg at June 6, 2006 8:53 AM

Borg -- now that's naff. This thread has been extremely interesting and revealing.

The insouciant class would have us believe that national symbols are devoid of meaning. They indict dedication to symbols of nationality as idolatry. They also suggest there's no problem whatsoever, for "you can't move for England flags." Some even embrace all of the above attitudes and more! Their national foundations long ago began to tremble and shift under forces they didn't understand, didn't heed. Only now are those cracks becoming clear. Once again our friends across the pond are allowing their incomprehensible internal inconsistencies to froth into nightmares. We're witnessing the prelude.

Posted by: jsla at June 6, 2006 11:26 AM

Kinda of scary when the French are threatened with death for being too French and for putting up a French flag by other 'French' people.

Posted by: Borg at June 7, 2006 12:00 AM

My response to this problem: a new role for a character played by Sean Bean.

http://www.omdurman.org/pictures/sharpe.jpg

Posted by: Winged Hussar 1683 at June 7, 2006 11:12 AM