I hope that pictures were taken of those temples so that they can be rebuilt again, once the muslim plague has been eradicated.

Posted by: Voltaire at June 9, 2006 6:25 AM

Malaysia will eventually be like a tropical Afganistan filled with moldering slowly deterorating trinkets of modernity that they will not have the technological acumen to take care of; if the real "Arab" Islam and not the traditional syncretistic variety wins out. No Muslim is able to function without an army of Western technicians and know how, Malaysia is no different. It is another Muslim sewer where medieval backwardness, hides under a glitter, facasde of bought, superficial modernity.

There is nothing more sad and pathethic then Malays and Indonesians dressed up like desert Arabs. Take that crap off and where someting more appropriate for the climate for heavens sake.Any thing beautiful in Malay culture comes from the pre-Islamic animist/Hindu past. Even though the victims of this atrocity are Indians, the Malays like all good ideological slaves are discarding their real history and roots for some psuedo-Arab ,Islamic b.s. If Islam is great and generous how come Malays cannpt be Malays, but have to become pseudo Arabs? Read V.S. Naipuls ,Among the Believers, it has good stuff on Islam in South Asia!

Posted by: abdulalshirk at June 9, 2006 7:47 AM

Temple destruction isn't the actions of a few extremists but the action of the whole muslim sociaty of malaysia. If i know my hindus well, expect no large scale human rights marches, don't expect UN to intervene, don't even expect India to protest loudly, expect to see many hindus leaving the country even though they have lived there for generations.

Posted by: desidude at June 9, 2006 8:58 AM

History repeats. Don't believe me? Read K.S. Lal's Indian Muslims, available online at http://www.challenging-islam.org/library/lal/indianmuslims.htm.

Posted by: US_infidel at June 9, 2006 9:41 AM

I said in a previous post that over 200 temples are demolished systematically. These guys have no mercy, even pull 300 devotees out the temple before buldozing it.

I guess this is what they preach in Islam, destroy all hindu temples.

For those that they have not demolished, they would put a large bilboard to hide the presense of the temple. Mostly, theres no funding from the goverment, what more about fixing / extending the temples.

The problem is for 30 odd years, the Temple commitee tries to apply for the permit every year but failed. They are even denied a possibility to buy the temple land. This is sick because the land does not belong to the goverment when it was built.

So, this is the real Malaysia. Soon to be Afganistan.

Posted by: tjwork at June 9, 2006 9:45 AM

Where have Hindu temples and temple complexes been pulled down, their stone used by those who pull them down for other purposes?

In India, under Muslim rule.

In Pakistan, under Muslim rule.

In Bangladesh, under Muslim rule.

In Indonesia -- well, in Indonesia I don't know. I will wait to hear from those who do know. But outside Bali, with its large Hindu population, and despite the supposed easygoing syncretism we have all been led to assume has always characerized Islam in the East Indies, one would like to know if the Hindu temples of Java and Sumatra still stand, or if not, whether some of them were protected during the period of Dutch rule, and then, once the Dutch left, were subject to further depredation and destruction.

And finally, there is Malaysia. The Muslims have steadily increased their share of the population (large families, and making life unpleasant for non-Muslims, some of whom leave). They have steadily undone the political and legal arrangements left by the British, have used the disguised Jizyah of the Bumiputra system to force the more industrious and entrepreneurial and advanced Hindus and Chinese to support the "Sons of the Soil" (not the real "Sons of the Soil" -- not the Dyak and other tribes, because they are not Muslims), in Malaysia too.

In other words, wherever Muslims feel confident and strong enough, whenever they are running things, they will pull down those Hindu temples, no matter how old or how beloved, for a phony reason, for no reason at all.

Why?

Because they can.

Posted by: Hugh at June 9, 2006 10:47 AM

I think, by their definition, the entire infidel world consists of nothing but "illegal structures".

The Malay Hindus may not have the numbers to oppose this terrorism, but we in the free world do.

We'll help them rebuild their temples -to more cheerful dieties, like Ganesh and Ram- once this militant upsurge of Imperialistic Islam has been crushed at the head and sent packing to Mecca.

There to fight one another over how to pacify their Koranically-sanctified terrorism and intolerance and cruelty, and demystify their "prophet".

They can return to Civilization when they have learned to control their homicidal megalomaniacs.

From Mohammadad on down.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 9, 2006 11:45 AM

India doesn't hesitate to protest when ethnic Indians with no legal connections to India are subject to any injustice - real or imagined. Just look at Sri Lanka, Fiji, Uganda, and even Western countries, including Britain and US (the anti-Sikh assults after 9/11).

But one won't here a peep out of them when it comes to Muslim countries other than Pakistan. Not Bangladeshi persecution of Hindus, not Saudi persecution of Indian citizens - Hindu and Muslim, and not the Malay destruction of temples. Why? Because Pakistan can use that to win brownie points at the OIC. Instead, India roots for parties in Nepal that end Nepal's status as an officially Hindu nation.

Memo to the Delhi Dhimmis - Pakistan will always be preferred to India, because they are more Islamic. Either protest the persecution of ethnic Indians everywhere, or, if you don't have the balls to do it in dar ul Islam, STFU when it comes to dar ul Harb either.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 9, 2006 12:07 PM

So much for the Indians. But these moves threaten ethnic Chinese as well. So why isn't China - which loves practicing regional hegemony in that area - intervening on behalf of the Chinese there?

Send the Red Guards to where they can be useful for a change, instead of Tibet or Tiennanmen Square.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 9, 2006 12:13 PM

This is a familar story across the world. What would a Nigerian Christian, a Serbian Christian Orthodox, a Jew from Iran, a Buddhist from Bangladesh and a Hindu from Malaysia have in common if they were to sit down a a table? Their safety, their faith, their culture and their futures are in danger because of Islam. At JW everyone knows this. What's wrong with the political elites throughout the world? Can't they connect dots? It is really very simple, like the game from childhood.

Posted by: maryrose at June 9, 2006 12:17 PM

I have seen temples being demolished.

The sight is good enough to see a grown man cry.

To a christian to imagine, its like seeing a muslims enjoying his work to hammer down a jesus/ mary statue & you cant do anything about it.

We, the minorities in malaysia has had enough. Those who fight back are imprisioned for distrupting the peace. Many of them were detained for no reason for defending their right to worship.

We had enough, I had enough.

Gone were the promisses of freedom of worship, & the promise to respect each others religion.

I call for us to unite & eliminate this monsters once & for all.

How many of you will stand with me?

Posted by: tjwork at June 9, 2006 12:24 PM

maryrose writes: This is a familar story across the world. What would a Nigerian Christian, a Serbian Christian Orthodox, a Jew from Iran, a Buddhist from Bangladesh and a Hindu from Malaysia have in common if they were to sit down a a table? Their safety, their faith, their culture and their futures are in danger because of Islam. At JW everyone knows this. What's wrong with the political elites throughout the world? Can't they connect dots? It is really very simple, like the game from childhood.

Maryrose, you echo my feelings exactly! I've been asking myself the same question for ages. Islam threatens us all (and not just members of all the religions, but infidels of all hues whether they be athiests, gays, liberals, conservatives... etc atc. as well) and yet, most of us and our leaders continue our petty squabbles not seeing (or even attempting to see) the bigger picture... i.e. that Islam is poised to gobble us all up... much like the Borg in the Start Trek series.

Posted by: Razdan at June 9, 2006 1:05 PM

tjwork: I think your only real hope is to get the HELL OUT OF MALAYSIA and the sooner the better.

There is NEVER hope for those who follow the Kuran.

Posted by: pythagoras at June 9, 2006 1:38 PM

Malaysia is a vile country. When I was briefly there 4 years ago I noticed the Malays were the most racist people. Almost half the country is either chinese or Indian. Almost all the intellectuals are indian and almost the entire business community is chinese. The Malays are parasites in their own land. If they drive out the chinese and indians Malaysia will be no better than indonesis. Good luck scum bags

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at June 9, 2006 4:26 PM

Singapore has an organ donation program. Like much that the city state sets its collective mind to, it is run very well. Unfortunately the Muslims of the city didn't want to contribute their organs, for religious reasons you understand. But quite happy to receive the donations!

The Singapore government said listen, that's dandy, we of course totally respect peoples' religious beliefs, and if that is how you feel, good luck to you. But you don't surely expect other people to donate their organs if you're not prepared to reciprocate, now do you? ( deathly silence ).

Cool, so all you need to do is sign this waiver which says that you and your family do not wish to participate in the organ donation program.

Posted by: melbourneman at June 9, 2006 8:20 PM

The Tamil Hindus of Malaysia should respond to Islamicization in the only language that Muslims understand: with terrorism and rioting. For every Hindu temple destroyed, they should bomb a mosque, preferably when packed for Friday prayers. They should also riot against the bulldozers and kill the Muslim workers who desecrate thier temples.

They should link up with the Tamil LTTE in Sri Lanka (one of the few Hindu terror groups) and learn how to become effective in fighting back. Then start a wave of assassinations against the Malay officials who order these demolitions.

Muslims only understand the language of violence, so speak to them in their own language.

Posted by: Provoslavni at June 9, 2006 10:11 PM

islam is a joke. oh, btw, my ass is the 6546541 th most holy site in islam

Posted by: massachusettsrepublican at June 9, 2006 11:38 PM

"Unfortunately the Muslims of the city didn't want to contribute their organs, for religious reasons you understand. But quite happy to receive the donations!"
-- from a posting above

This attitude can be found in other Muslim communities. And the solution is precisely that which the very intelligent government of Singapore, which has a whole series of regulations carefully limiting campaigns of Da'wa (for example, requiring that every convert be registered with the government, so that it can track the effectiveness of Muslim campaigns, and watch what populations have been targetted by Muslims for "reversion").

To wit, as the same poster helpfully added to his post:

"The Singapore government said listen, that's dandy, we of course totally respect peoples' religious beliefs, and if that is how you feel, good luck to you. But you don't surely expect other people to donate their organs if you're not prepared to reciprocate, now do you? (deathly silence).

Cool, so all you need to do is sign this waiver which says that you and your family do not wish to participate in the organ donation program."

Posted by: Hugh at June 10, 2006 12:12 AM

I wonder if we can apply the same tactic to human rights. It seems muslims want human rights for themselves but not others. Maybe we can follow singapore's lead and take it to new heights. " you don't like our human rights fine they don't have to apply to you"

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at June 10, 2006 12:43 AM

"Human rights"- is a concept, an invention by westerners, much derided by Muslims, who consider only themselves and believers in Islam 'human', others are no better than vermin.

Others, unbelievers & Jews, the dreaded 'polytheists' and 'hypocrites' are simply 'the worst of creatures', who have no right to exist. "Killing unbelievers is a small matter to us" sez the Koran, and a 'good muslim' has no problem following this command, since "the vilest of creatures" have plenty of 'booty', and Allah made booty 'lawful'....

No need to argue with that. The whole f*#ing Koran is a declaration of war! Our ancestors understood, our fools in their respective "administration" are too dumb, to lazy and to cowardly to read up and inform themselves. so is the general population.

But the time for 'tabula rasa' is coming soon, and sooner is better!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 10, 2006 6:22 AM

Dear Provoslavni,

The idea to bomb mosques are not good, We do to others what we want others to do to us.

You see, we hindus are not like muslims, we never strive to hurt any other race or religion. Even in our holy books, The Hero initially denied the idea to war saying its against hinduism to kill people. So we are pretty much against violence.

Anoher example would be Mahatma Gandhi.

However, I would only ask if all of us work togather, we could schieve something. The Islamic world has only one thing in common, OIL MONEY. The use it to leverage their weaknesses.

We could start by boycotting the Malays in Business ties, For example, Trade delegations & contracts between China-Malayasia & India Malaysia has only Malays Involved. Other races are not included anymore.

If you pressure your statemen about not having business congtracts withthe Malays, this would help us very much.

Please understand that We pay Tax, but the Muslims pay Zakat. Both the money goes to the welfare of the Malays. FACT!

Posted by: tjwork at June 10, 2006 6:48 AM

Hugh wrote:

"And the solution is precisely that which the very intelligent government of Singapore, which has a whole series of regulations carefully limiting campaigns of Da'wa (for example, requiring that every convert be registered with the government, so that it can track the effectiveness of Muslim campaigns, and watch what populations have been targeted by Muslims for "reversion")."

Singaporean Muslims are, to my limited knowledge, unique in that the central national Islamic council is under the aegis of the office of the President. I know of no other nation in which this is the case. It's akin to CAIR being accountable to President Bush.

For that reason, as well as their successful secularism, Singaporean Muslims are considered kafir by other Muslims, especially Malaysian ones.

Two Singaporean Chinese youths were recently charged under the Sedition Act for posting on an Internet forum the type of misoIslamic messages routinely seen at JW/DW. While these may seem to Western eyes an undeniable form of dhimmitude, that action by the authorities rang loud and clear: if one religion is to be protected, all religions are to be accorded that same protection from insult and slander. If Chinese Singaporeans can be charged for slandering Islam, Muslims can expect no less were they to do the same or to hold extremist views. This measure goes a long way to keeping Muslim quiescent and free of jihadist tendencies. And since the Muslim community is fully aware of the consequences and that the authorities will not play favourites, I daresay that the jihad will not gain a foothold in Singapore.

I suppose many find it reprehensible that a nation's constitution puts limits on the freedoms of speech and association but Lee Kuan Yew's administration understood from the start the nature of the Islam beast and that races will not integrate voluntarily, they must be MADE to do so. Without integration, forced or otherwise, jihad grows and flourishes.

And where this latest Malaysian development is concerned, there truly is no hope. As long as Muslims constitute a majority, that same government will be voted into power at every term and those same actions will reoccur. The sooner non-Muslims leave the country to rot in the hands of Muslims, the better.

Posted by: Vincent Wong at June 10, 2006 11:04 AM

While 'it' may seem to Western eyes......

Posted by: Vincent Wong at June 10, 2006 11:06 AM

tjwork wrote...
"We do to others what we want others to do to us.
You see, we hindus are not like muslims, we never strive to hurt any other race or religion."

You are correct, of course, in your observation that my suggestion of meeting terrorism with terrorism violates the most basic precepts of Hinduism. In fact, every major religion except Islam has the golden rule at its heart. That's because Islam is not a real religion but rather an ideology like Nazism or Communism.

There have been exceptions among Hindus like the Tamil Tigers just as there have been exceptions among Christians and Jews but these do violate the core of our beliefs. However, in exceptional cases, Hinduism, like Judaism and Christianity, does except the necessity of war to defend the oppressed and helpless.

Remember in the Mahabharata (Bhishma Parva), the advice that Sri Krishna gave to Arjuna on the battlefield of Kurukshetra when, realising that the enemies he would soon kill were his own relatives, former friends and teachers, Arjun became filled with doubt on the rightness of war. He was advised that not to fight would be a greater evil.

So, while my suggestions were extreme in their hyperbole, the Hindus of Malaysia do have a legitimate right to fight back and defend themselves.

Posted by: Provoslavni at June 10, 2006 1:42 PM

tjwork: Islam is not a religion. It is the world's oldest and deadliest cult that preys on the innocence of unsuspecting human beings. Islam is a homicidal and predatory political ideology masquerading as religion and is all the more dangerous because many people are thus fooled into believing it is a legitimate religion. Islam threatens the world. Eliminating mosques (and Islam) is therefore critically important work necessary to ensure the survival of the human species. There is nothing wrong with destroying mosques (except that it will result in Islamic-led reprisals, but then Islamic societies are ALWAYS dangerous anyway).

ps-- We hope you get out of Malaysia REAL SOON before the Islamic goon squads there do something to you, your friends, and your family.

Posted by: pythagoras at June 10, 2006 2:35 PM

While these may seem to Western eyes an undeniable form of dhimmitude, that action by the authorities rang loud and clear: if one religion is to be protected, all religions are to be accorded that same protection from insult and slander. If Chinese Singaporeans can be charged for slandering Islam, Muslims can expect no less were they to do the same or to hold extremist views. This measure goes a long way to keeping Muslim quiescent and free of jihadist tendencies. And since the Muslim community is fully aware of the consequences and that the authorities will not play favourites, I daresay that the jihad will not gain a foothold in Singapore. Posted by: Vincent Wong

Actually, if all religions were protected, and Singapore Muslims were disallowed from slandering or abusing non-Islamic religions, I don't have such a problem with Islam being "protected" within the boundaries of Singapore. Indeed, Singapore seems to be the only country which is forcing its Muslims to follow the Golden Rule. Even in the Infidel world, countries that have far less Muslims (in terms of a percentage of their populations) like India, protect Islam from criticism for fear of Muslims rioting, but refuse to accord the same protection to other religious groups, since the reaction isn't likely to be anywhere near the same.

I wouldn't call Singapore's acts Dhimmitude. Dhimmitude means the Infidels get to grovel before Muslims, but that's not what you are describing above: Muslims aren't any more freer to abuse the religions of the Chinese (what are they? Buddhist? Confucian? Taoist?) than the Chinese were to slander Islam. I agree with you that Singapore seems safe, but with Malaysia becoming increasingly fanatical, and Singapore relying so much on Malaysia for things like its water supply, raw materials, etc, I do worry about your country. But in many ways, I do think it's the best in the world, although I can easily see how anyone who lives there could get bored very quickly.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 12, 2006 1:35 AM

tjwork

Please spare us Gandhi as an example. If you happen to be a Malaysian Hindu - Tamil or other - you have no idea of the crap we Indian Hindus had to go through, not just courtesy him, but also the entire Nehru clan.

Please read other threads in J/W where others, like Arjun Sevak, I, have totally exposed what a rotten leader Gandhi was. There's a simple term for his "philosophy" - Appeasement! It's bad enough that Indians are forced to regard him as the "Father of the Nation" - an insulting term, since we had a history that rivals that of the ancient Greeks, the ancient Hebrews - what's even worse is losers like you holding him up as an example of what Hinduism is all about. Read the Ramayana and Mahabharata for starters, and then the Puranas (Dasha Avatar), and then come back and tell us what's common between that, and what Gandhi excreted.

I'm sorry if I sound hostile, but Gandhi-philia rivals Islamophilia in my list of crimes: I have near zero tolerance for it. If you are going to react to the Malays in a Gandhian way (and btw, the Malays probably are far more gentle than Bangladeshis, let alone Pakis), you'll meet with a fate no different than that of some 150 million Hindus in India in under a 1000 years.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 12, 2006 1:50 AM

Gandhi's philosophy such as it was is sometimes ascribed to the American, Henry Thoreau

Posted by: Eliyahu at June 14, 2006 2:28 PM