I've already seen Muslims whining on line about how this was a sting operation, a crime created by the evil imperialist mounties.

It will follow the usual pattern - denial, complaints about stereotyping and oppression demonstrating the traditional Islamic genius at conflating victim and aggressor followed by the "tiny minority" / what about Palestine shtick. If they then are convicted then the mouthpieces of moderate Islam will then publicly deny the fact that they are proper Muslims, as Muslims cannot be bad.

Posted by: QueeQueeg at June 9, 2006 7:03 AM

"One [Imama] asked why authorities hadn't told them sooner about the suspects, so the religious leaders could have put a stop to their plot"

This is really funny. It translates to "Tell us all about it and we will make sure our brothers go and hide all evidence."

Posted by: FreeSpeech at June 9, 2006 7:20 AM

Imam, not Imama

(it's the keyboard, not me, that is doing all this misspelling *smirk* )

Posted by: FreeSpeech at June 9, 2006 7:22 AM

Political correctness and multi-cultralism need to classified as a mental illnesses post-haste, and its adherents considered defective and subsuquently banned from all positions of public trust. Really, what is it going take for Western officials to wake up? 2 million dead?

If we cannot ever name this enemy we cannot defeat it. Vaguely defined struggles againest vaguely defined enemies are a waste of time. If we and I mean the collective West are going to be so careless;and continue on as such deluded fools we deserve to get what we is coming. This is a darwinian struggle and the weak and defective die, and we may be the side that gets devoured. I guess were all to fat and happy, mellowed out with anti-depressents, and waiting for the next tidbit of Bradgelina gossip.

Perhaps, no of course the Islamic leaders wanted more information earlier so they could tip off the targeted individuals. Sad thing is some Dhimmi- self loather would give it to them, in the name of "peace","justice", "fairness", "bridge building","inclusion" or what other mawkish, trite and inane cliche one can conger up.

Posted by: abdulalshirk at June 9, 2006 7:29 AM

Meanwhile these muslims refer themselves and their organizations as muslims this and muslims that to differnetiate themselves from others. everything they do has to incorporate islam and muslim. why not their official preachings that lead to islamic terrorisim?

Posted by: desidude at June 9, 2006 8:51 AM

Remembering the invocation of the War Measures Act by P. E. Trudeau to deal with violent Quebec separatists and the general public acceptance, I have to wince at the prevailing mentality. This morning I heard two particularly gormless listeners voice their opinions on CBC Radio One. The first caller, who had a Chinese name, indignantly asked why nobody blamed Christianity for Timothy McVeigh. (Answer: perhaps because McVeigh and his accomplices were not incited by the "misinterpretted" teachings of Jesus nor did they get together in a church to forge alliances and plan their criminal acts.) The second wanted to know why these misguided youths were allowed to pursue their plans under surveillance for so long instead of being, in effect, identified as youths at risk and counselled in the errors of their ways. (Answer: could you imagine the hew-and-cries of racial profiling, etc., for even alleging these youths had any kind of religiously inspired mayhem in mind?)

Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 9, 2006 9:12 AM

Preemptive outreach---I like that.

Posted by: US_infidel at June 9, 2006 9:37 AM

I doubt that officials hold meetings with the (90%) Italian-Americans in my NYC borough before a big Mafia bust.

After all, most folks of Italian background ARE kind of touchy about being identified with the Mob. I guess the NYPD & Feds had better mend their ways...

Posted by: Vee at June 9, 2006 9:46 AM

WaterDragon,

Perhaps you should create a new folder on your computer.

Name it 'What Muslim Spokesmen Have Said About The Raid', and archive articles in which they have either cried foul or have defended their 'brothers'.

At the end of the trials (when the guilty have hopefully been convicted), send copies of the folder to various news outlets to remind them of the 'moderate' Muslim mindset.

Posted by: PRCS at June 9, 2006 10:57 AM

For example, the agency has dropped phrases such as "Sunni Islamic extremist threat" from its lexicon. At last Saturday's news conference, agents very deliberately avoided using the words Muslim or Islamic when describing the arrests.

First they wouldn't admit that it was Islam, they insisted it was only "extremists". Now they cannot even admit that there are any "extremists". This is progress? They are proud that they are afraid to mention the word "Muslim" or "Islamic"?

This is setting a whole new precedent.

Posted by: special_guest at June 9, 2006 11:11 AM

Though I believe that Multiculturalism,or the perversion of it, is our achilles heal, there could be a little bit of a silver lining to part of it in this case.

Now that it is public knowledge that some leaders in the Islamic community where appraised of an on going investigation for nearly a year regarding this group of developing terrorist and apparently without specifics, it should or it could send a message to those that want to promote the militant ideology within the country that they may find themselves not getting support within the community and may be a little less reluctant to participate. I'm not holding my breath of course on that one.

How the trial plays out in the media and the expose that will be presented could also act hopfully as a deterrent to other potential home grown jihadists.

Your right, maybe I'm trying to be to positive here.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that the Islamic movement doesn't get discouraged easily since they are just following the traditions and teaching of Mohammed as they have for nearly 1,400 years.

Posted by: Mackie at June 9, 2006 11:16 AM

...the Islamic movement doesn't get discouraged easily... Like the Communists before them, they feel that the "locomotive of history", (in this case Allah), makes their triumph inevitable. Any creed that encourages true believers is always a bitch to defeat. They live for the fight, while their foes, (you and I) have lives. Their hope is to discourage and exhaust you to the point that no resistance is offered. Keep writing. Keep teaching. Keep fighting back on all fronts.

Posted by: MP at June 9, 2006 11:28 AM

In keeping with this politically correct trend, from now on the Canadian police will refer to Al-Qaeda as Albert.

That should mollify the Moosehead Muslims.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 9, 2006 11:33 AM

"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do." - Samuel Huntington

Posted by: Zebo at June 9, 2006 11:44 AM

Zebo... an excellent quote! And, by the same token, (and sadly so) it will be its current Pacifism which will bring the West down eventually.

Posted by: Razdan at June 9, 2006 12:49 PM

Yes it's a rough world where some group is ALWAYS vieing for superior position - no room for people who lie down - Reagan's "peace dividend" was a lie there's no such thing if you want to survive. You must be in a state of perpetual warfare if you want to be #1. Sorry that's just the way it is.

Posted by: Zebo at June 9, 2006 1:05 PM

"pre-emptive outreach"

So,the Canadian authorities could see this building for over a year and gave the Muslim community every opportunity to be nice...
Absolutely insane.

A bit like airport staff noticing terrorists smuggling guns and bomb making paraphernalia onto an aircraft, then spending several minutes counselling the offenders - only arresting the terorists after they have started assembling the bomb on board the plane.

Stop the world, I wanna get off..it's completely bananas.

Posted by: Mike_W at June 9, 2006 1:18 PM

"Political correctness and multi-cultralism need to classified as a mental illnesses post-haste, and its adherents considered defective and subsuquently banned from all positions of public trust."

One big problem with this plan: nearly all the proposed classifiers and considerers and banners would be also politically correct.

Posted by: Television at June 9, 2006 2:13 PM

Categorizing McVeigh as a Christian terrorist is ridiculous -- it is easily dispelled by looking at his words in prison after his arrest, and in the poem he chose to be his last public testament before his execution: nothing Christian in those. By contrast, all the Muslim terrorists issue manifestos saturated with religious Islamic symbolisms.

A fair analogy to McVeigh, I think, would be the 1989 mass-murderer of "feminist" women in Montreal, Marc Lepine: he had a Muslim father, but Marc Lepine's writings, including his "suicide note", had nothing Islamic about them: they were, just like McVeigh's writings, largely agnostic in content and mood.

P.S.: I go further, and I classify McVeigh as an ultra-Leftist, since he wrote (after his arrest) in typically Leftist sappy terms about the plight of poor common Iraqi people and how the horrible evil Americans were treating them. When you wind the nut far enough to the Left, you will meet the ultra-Right: the significant difference between Left and Right is that, currently, the center Left is closer to that anti-Western tin-foil-hat extreme than is the center Right.

Posted by: Television at June 9, 2006 2:22 PM

Remember the Khadr family and their link to Osama and Al-qaeda , the lawyer for one of the Khadr's managed to fool a Judge into giving a Passport to one of the self-professed Jihadists that actually trained at a Afghanistan Terrorist camp.
Below is today's story from Toronto Canada
that the US border and Airports must now be on guard because Khadr's Lawyer wouldn't fight for a Passport unless Khadr wanted to travel to the USA.

Seal up your borders folks, Canada's Judges are living in a fools Paradise that all Muslims are Peace loving forgiving followers of Islam.
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TORONTO (CP) - The Federal Court says Ottawa can't deny the son of an Egyptian-born terrorist a Canadian passport because of national security concerns.

The court has ruled that the federal government was wrong to deny Abdurahman Khadr's application two years ago.

That's because new anti-terror provisions didn't legally exist when the self-proclaimed black sheep of the family made his application in 2004.

Lawyers argued the case in December.

Khadr returned to Canada two years after being arrested as a presumed member of al-Qaida in November 2001.

He was later transferred to Guantanamo Bay and deported to Afghanistan.

His brothers Abdullah and Omar have been charged with terrorist activities.

Posted by: ala-sux at June 9, 2006 2:23 PM

Check out his link to a Muslim Liberal MP that want Islam taught in Schools to counter Islamophobia after the 17 Jihadists were arrested.

http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/blog/index/weblog/4731/

Posted by: ala-sux at June 9, 2006 2:31 PM

OK, got it: no mention of the "I" or "M" words. The terrorist plot had nothing to do with Islam or Muslims - not even the "extremist" ones.

Then, why go on to insist next that they got assistance from the "Muslim community" in the investigations?

Just because the "Muslim community" happens to be particularly eager to assist the authorities at tracing "terrorists", any old terrorists from the "broad strata of society"?

And for some reason the news conference had to be translated to Arabic and Urdu - not to Chinese, Russian or Spanish? Why was that?

And why should Muslim "religious leaders" have been informed if the terrorism has nothing to do with religion in the first place?

Posted by: rahel at June 9, 2006 2:34 PM

Tarek Fatah has tried to portray himself as the Moderate-Voice of Muslims , but the hypocrisy by him and his MCC is amazing.
First off I have heard him declare his stance on a issue during his hosting of a TV show for Muslims, but on MSM Tv debates he says something else as Arafat did on a daily basis.

But below is the MCC response to the London transit slaughter by Muslims, note how he blames Bush , and also pay attention how he insisted Muslims must Police themselves , yet now Fatah
joins the "Racism" mantra from the Mosques and
is in denial that the Quran can be traced to each Terrorist arrested for a plot to slaughter 5-10'000 civilians in Toronto.
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MCC condemns London Bombing as barbaric and cowardly
"It's a crime against humanity"

TORONTO - The Muslim Canadian Congress has condemned the terrorist action in London and has labeled it as a barbaric action of cowards and a crime against humanity.
Reacting to reports that Al-Qaeda has claimed responsibility for the bombings, Niaz Salimi, President of the MCC, said, "For too long the Al-Qaeda and its apologists among the Muslim community have been holding the Muslim world hostage."
"The invasion of Iraq has led to a mushrooming of the Al-Qaeda terror network and will continue to do so. What was once confined to the mountains of Afghanistan has now grown into a worldwide terrorist network, thanks to George Bush. His administration has given the Al-Qaeda terrorists a gift they could not have imagined in their wildest dreams," added Niaz Salimi.
The MCC feels the actions of the London terrorists should cause us all to reflect on the dangers of mixing religion and politics. The Al-Qaeda terrorists have successfully usurped the Islamic narrative and are using faith as their rallying call. The MCC urges Muslim throughout the world to fight the terrorist cancer, which if not confronted, will affect the entire body of human civilization.
"As Muslims it is our responsibility to confront those who use our faith to spread terror and fear in our neighborhoods and cities. We need to speak unanimously in condemning the fundamentalism, irrespective of whether it comes from Bush or Bin Laden," said El-Farouk Khaki, Secretary General of the MCC

Posted by: ala-sux at June 9, 2006 3:40 PM

Now read Tarek Fatah's comment from June 3rd's arrest of 17 Jihadists , he Blames our Prime Minister and Bush , then excuses away Al-Qaeda as the results of the CIA creating them.

But guess what Mr.Fatah , the parents of these young terrorists created them as you claim the CIA did for Al-Qaeda.
Denial is very powerful and maybe the Quran and Islam is the problem Tarek....and remember how Muslims blamed the USA 9/11 attack on poor Security and Immigration checks.
So stop bitching about protecting the Rights of the 17 Muslims that were prevented from slaughtering thousands of civilians for your same god that's in the Quran, if they did complete their attack we know you'd be the first one to say they weren't "True" Muslims and Islamophobia will be worse because the attack will be blamed on Islam and all Muslims.
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June 3, 2006
MCC expresses relief at arrest of alleged terror cell
Urges community to confront extremism and radical ideas

TORONTO - The Muslim Canadian Congress has expressed relief at the arrest of suspected members of a terror cell in Toronto.
In a statement released today, the MCC said the Muslim Canadians are in a state of shock to learn that young members of their community would contemplate carrying out terror attacks on fellow citizens.
"Thank God these men were stopped before they could carry out their alleged plot," said Niaz Salimi, President of the MCC.
"We would like to commend the RCMP for pre-empting this action by apprehending the suspects, but we hope that those accused will be tried with due process, the presumption of innocence, and with full guarantees that their constitutional rights and will be protected," she added.

Commenting on the news of the alleged terror cell, El-Farouk Khaki, Secretary General of the MCC said, the disclosure of this terror cell is a sad reflection of the fact that five years of the so called War on Terrorism has failed in all its objectives and has brought terror to our very doorsteps. "Canadians need to wake up and realise the recipe offered by George Bush and Tony Blair, and now being adopted by Stephen Harper, has only led to an increase of terrorism fuelled by the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan." he added.
The MCC is determined to fight the extremists at all levels, while maintaining its resolve to expose the agenda of the United States and neo-liberalism.

Tarek Fatah, communications director of the MCC said, "It is ironic that Muslim extremists are portraying themselves as anti-imperialist, when in fact Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are nothing more but a creation of the CIA." Muslims need to recognise that the agenda of these extremists is a cult of hate and fascism, not one of advocacy for the their community, said Tarek Fatah.

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For more information, please call Tarek Fatah at 416 953-1798

Posted by: ala-sux at June 9, 2006 3:57 PM

Water dragon,

Timothy McVeigh Chirstian? Sorry he clearly hinted at his deep-seated sympathies for Islamic terror groups hostile to the United States.For example. In an April 2001 letter to Fox News, McVeigh made known his tacit approval for the crimes committed by Ramzi Yousef, the sinister engineer of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. He quoted Yousef's terrorist statement before sentencing. He also talked at length how he admired the Islam's holy warriors from his experiances in Iraq.

Some other evidence.
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=2646

Mc Veih was probably Muslim by the time the attacks took place but real recent.. Harbored the idea of killing feds beforehand but then found material support and religious support within a months of the tragety. But to say he was a Christian just has no supporting evidence.

A better example of Christian terroists would be Abortion Clinic Bombers since the clearly justfy thier actions by invoking gods will.

Posted by: Zebo at June 9, 2006 4:01 PM

I just love how PC people name everyone "insert anything you are in favour of"-aphobic. This way without arguing they can instantanously morally chastise you while providing psychoanalysis. In reality they are the ones that are afraid. They are afraid of debate and they are afraid of reality. They are afraid to find out the world isn't how they want it to be.
They are realityphobic. I got to think up a better one.

But this fear of being Islamophobic is going to destroy all western countries. A part of me hopes the muslims go on a rampage before it is too late. I hope they force us to fight them, if not they will take over all of Canada.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at June 9, 2006 4:34 PM

oh I noticed someone mentioned Trudeau and the war act. Don't be fooled trudeau was a pinko. He enacted the war act to look tough. I bet you nobody knows what happened to the french terrorists that were caught. HE sent them in exile to Cuba. Yup they got a friggin caribbean holiday for murder. This country never has been able to defend itself against terrorism.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at June 9, 2006 4:36 PM

Zebo said

Timothy McVeigh Chirstian? Sorry he clearly hinted at his deep-seated sympathies for Islamic terror groups hostile to the United States

Remember the alleged "John Doe #2"? I've heard it alleged that this was Jose Padilla, who cannot account for his whereabouts at the time. See here for comparison pictures of John Doe and Jose Padilla. The drawing of McVeigh looks just like McVeigh; see John Doe #2 and Padilla and make your own judgement.

I've heard other rumors of jihadist assistance in the OK bombing; not that the FBI would ever investigate such a racist and Islamophobic idea.

Posted by: special_guest at June 9, 2006 4:55 PM

There was a news article a few years back documenting the fact that McVeigh and Nichols went to the Philliphines and met with muslim terrorist.

Posted by: FIVEOFNINE at June 9, 2006 7:36 PM

"If bishops were meeting regularly with the RCMP, what do you think their congregations would think?" Mr. Fatah said.

This sums up the siege mentality of Muslim communities in Western societies. It expreses an attitude reminiscent of the code of 'omerta' that was supposed to protect the mafia in Italian immigrant communities or the London cockney's hatred of the copper's nark. I'm reminded of an interview with a student in a British university where hizb ut-tahrir was banned. The student said that their representative could still be seen hanging around the campus on most days. Asked why he hadn't told the college authorities,since he disapproved of hizb ut-tahrir, he replied:"I'm not going to report a Muslim brother to the kaffir."

Posted by: wallyUK at June 9, 2006 8:38 PM

ala-sux laments:

"The [Federal Canadian] court has ruled that the federal government was wrong to deny Abdurahman Khadr's application two years ago.

That's because new anti-terror provisions didn't legally exist when the self-proclaimed black sheep of the family made his application in 2004."

ala-sux, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but the U.S. is the same way. It's one of our most basic freedoms: The Constitutional prohibition on "ex post facto" laws. Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution prohibits prosecuting someone for breaking a new law that wasn't enacted yet at the time the act was committed.

This is important. Suppose Congress wanted to persecute some individual or group. They could find out something those people had already done and then pass a special law against it retroactively, enabling the Government to have all those folks arrested. The Constitution prohibits Congress from taking such retroactive action.

Another example: Suppose you use an over-the-counter product like echinacea for the common cold. And then the Government passes a law making it illegal. Since you're a law-abiding citizen, you might stop using the product. But how would you feel if the Government then had you arrested anyway because you had used the product before they even passed the law?

Posted by: Steven L. at June 9, 2006 9:11 PM

pissedoffcanadian writes: "[The PC crowd] are realityphobic. I got to think up a better one."

How about: Occidentophobia?

Because "Orient" means the East and "Occident" means the West.

"Occidentophobia" sounds good (try saying it a few times out loud). And since so many of today's PC crowd don't know what the word "Occident" means, this should send them scurrying off to find dictionaries, and get them out of our hair, if only for a few minutes.

Posted by: Steven L. at June 9, 2006 9:55 PM

"It may have been the most politically correct terrorism bust in history"--from Globe and Mail article

The Globe and Mail has a long way to go before it can make that statement without appearing hypocritical.

I've written some thoughts on these issues here:
http://www.islam-watch.org/Archemedez/CanadaJihad.htm

Posted by: Archimedes at June 9, 2006 9:58 PM

Steven L:

So if the US got rid of the death penalty all the prisoners charged under the old law could still be put to death because it isn't retro-active to negate the punishment?

Keep that in mind if you're on death row , we wouldn't want to bend the rules for you and I sure you'd want your lawyer to be fair.

Posted by: ala-sux at June 9, 2006 10:20 PM

Zebo and FIVEOFNINE,

Here is an account of how Terry Nichols and Ramzi Yusef's paths seemed to keep crossing in the Philipines.

The claim that McVeigh and Nichols were "Christian terrorists" is ludicrous, and the thought that they were involved or influenced by Islamic jihadists looks more reasonable the more you look at the evidence.

Posted by: special_guest at June 9, 2006 11:42 PM

"This country never has been able to defend itself against terrorism."
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 04:36 PM

Before Trudeau came to power, I think we could have handled such threats.

I assume you're not forgetting the recent work of CSIS, RCMP, and the other police forces in apprehending these latest jihadist suspects. Nor would I assume that you are forgetting the work of our soldiers in Afghanistan.

Of course, we can improve in all of these areas. The main difficulty has been the attitude of governments, media, and the large percentage of the general population that is still ignorant of the multi-faceted threat against our society posed by Islam. The combination of all of these elements has resulted in under-funded and under-equipped police, intelligence, and military.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 9, 2006 11:52 PM

Steven L like occidentaphobia.

Archimides I wasnt taking a shot at the soldiers or rcmp just our politicians. Also correction to what I posted above the flq guys that killed the quebec minister were sentenced. It was teh FLQ terrorists who kidnapped the brit cross that were given free passage to cuba. Anyways I agree before trudeau Canada was able to deal with this kind of stuff. Even though Trudeau talked tough he was the guy that started the slow slide into a PC dictatorship.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at June 10, 2006 12:04 AM

pissedoffcanadian,

No problem; I didn't take your statement as a shot at our soldiers and police, but I just wanted to differentiate between them and the gov't.

Hopefully this latest terrorist bust will wake up the Canadian public. It should be interesting to see how this unfolds, and how the media coverage evolves over time. I think the police spokesmen and most media outlets were so politically correct in their presentations that it has backfired. (Their statements that this has absolutely nothing to do with Islam would probably register as an overstatement even to most Canadians who have not done much investigation of the Islam problem).

re occidentaphobia. That's true, but that is only one symptom of Islam's more general affliction, known as infidelophobia, whether it be of the infidels (or infidel ideologies) from the west, east, north, or south of (and for that matter, within) the central dar ul Islam.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 10, 2006 12:57 AM

special_guest- OMG! It not just close but identical. No wonder Bush is fighting hell to highwater to keep this terrorist under lock and key. I'm definity saving this one as the padilla "this could happen to you" crowd loves to bring it up when "proveing" Bush is a "fascist."

pissedoffcanadian - Very well said about the PC crowd wanting to phychoanalyse/belittle thier opponets istead of address the facts. They can't handle the truth as it would break thier underdog worship and feelings of moral supremacy they carry around with a badge of honor. Muslims , behind closed doors, must just laugh thier ass off at them as the ultimate SUCKERS.

Posted by: Zebo at June 10, 2006 12:58 AM

Well like I said before about Canada that years ago the media and all their counterparts decided that if someone was arrested for crimes in Toronto, and now even outside of TO, they would not mention his colour, because then people would think that the majority of the crime in TO was committed by young black Jamaicans (which it was), so now, this is just taking it another step further in refusing to mention acts of terror being committed by Muslims.

When I grew up in Toronto, it was always called, 'Toronto the Good', and Torontonians took pride in that name and although most people did not engage in conversations with strangers on the TTC, everyone was courteous, had manners, worked hard...the whole bit.

I think the first real heinous crime which shook the city was when I was a kid. His name was Emmanuel Jacques and he was a shoeshine kid. This sent pulse waves throughout the city.

My mom grew up on the Danforth and with all the Greek and Italian communities which came and contributed to the great cultures in Toronto, it was a nice change from the British way of doing things. Even the flag got changed, much to the chagrin of Dief.

Why is it that the escalation of crap (forgive me but I can't think of any other way to describe it at this time) began taking place once we allowed people from countries outside of Europe into Canada?

I've lived long enough to see that take place and whether you think that I'm a racist or not, I'll shake hands with any man regardless of his colour or creed, if the country he makes his home (which is Canada) becomes him, not the other way around.

Because Canadians have always tried to be agreeable, most of the time and considerate of others, these pushy, arrogant muslims are just going to plough us down.

Is that what our glorious dead died for? To defeat Hitler in one century only to be taken over by Mohammed in the next one?

What recourse are we left with? They will not agree to see things any other way than the Islamic way, which means that we will allow them to take over the country little by little until they are the rulers of us all.

Or as Michael Collins stated that he hated the British because they left the Irish no other choice but to fight and use violence in order to achieve true freedom and independence from a foreign power.

Is this the choice that we have been left with, that for the sake of true liberty in Canada, we must sear our consciences, become murders in the sight of God, and do the unthinkable before it's too late?

It is obvious that we have been left with no other choice and the leaders of our countries will not listen, but will continue to appease these savage people until Islam reigns supremely.

My heart is very heavy in saying this because all I want to do is raise my family, work hard and try to love and respect my fellow man but conflict is inevitable when you must fight against the evil which continues to prevail.

God Help us all.

PJ

Posted by: PJ at June 10, 2006 6:52 AM