The Brits..., in the past World War they were the last stronghold of freedom in Europe, in the coming one they are the first to open the gates wide..

Neville Chamberlain is excused, 70 years onward the decisionmakers are even worse, and that after all they know, they dont even have to believe, ..leaf through a common history book and know...

I wish stupidity would hurt.

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at June 16, 2006 9:04 PM

FLASH!

Famous Farmer Old MacDonald will now tell neighborhood foxes the number of eggs per nest within his chicken coop, the specific body fat proportions of each hen and rooster, and the mechanisms of the door and window latches.

RUE BRITANNIA!

(They got the "L" out of there.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 16, 2006 9:06 PM

Why aren't British authorities so accomodating with the IRA?

Posted by: JanuaryMan at June 16, 2006 9:19 PM

As the saying goes, "Oh yes, there will be context."

Posted by: Seymour Paine at June 16, 2006 9:25 PM

Stunning stupidity. I suppose we ought to tell them before we raid too so that the ummah can be prepared.

Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever at June 16, 2006 9:51 PM

Reality check:
31 May 1944
Allied HQ yesterday invited Field Marshal Rommel, commander of German forces in Normandy, France, to review the allied plan for the invasion on D-Day.

Now we have come that far.

Posted by: Canis Lupus at June 16, 2006 9:54 PM

After the Forest Gate fiasco and with Ian Blair, head of the Metropolitan Police, still facing the possibility of crown prosecution over his handling of the aftermath of the Menendes execution-style shooting last July, the police are on the ropes at the moment. The Muslims are not letting up in their pressure - they are complaining about the policeman, in overall charge of the Forest Gate raids, being given an honour in the Queen's list today, after Bari, the MCB chief, made thinly veiled threats of withdrawal of Muslim co-operation with the authorities while calling for 10% of the Met to be made up of Muslims ,last week. Labour is kissing the Muslims's backsides right now because they can swing half a dozen parliamentary seats but are annoyed by his invasion of Iraq and their community might defect and vote for Galloway's Respect party: his religious hatred bill was meant to be a sop to them but parliament threw it out in a fit of common sense. Yet there has been a particularly horrrible honour killing trial in London, this week - did he have to stab his sister 18 times and slit her throat! - and there's another trial of some Muslim brothers recorded discussing whether to hi-jack and crash a British Airways plane in order to kill everybody on board -and themselves. If they had any shame they'd adopt a very low profile and try to stay out of the media.

Posted by: wallyUK at June 16, 2006 10:06 PM

This is working out just like the Muslims planned it. I am 99% certain that the police were set up before they went on this wild goose chase of a raid. The results for the Muslims couldn't be sweeter. Major concessions from the police, with egg on their face, is what the Muslims calculated would happen. Now, a huge attack can be executed in London. Thanks to the sharing time between the police and "select" members of the Islamic community, the attackers will be able design a perfect plan with their co-jihadists who sit on the committee with the police.

Posted by: maryrose at June 16, 2006 10:17 PM

wallyUK-

You underestimate the herd mentality.

Beast that bellows loudest gets the most attention.

By the time he gets it, the rest of the herd has forgotten the context, and only note his position.

And listen to his further noises more attentively.

Hitler didn't make 'sense', he just bellowed attractively to the resentful mob and then steered them toward the joys of plundeing the scapegoat Jews. (Mohammad's method, redux.)

Muslims realize this human psychological flaw:

The more noise they make, the less guilty they seem.

(They wouldn't try to be noticed if they had anything to hide, would they?)

Plus, they're the shameless in pursuit of the detestable.

(To paraphrase Oscar Wilde>)

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 16, 2006 10:21 PM

wallyUK writes: "After the Forest Gate fiasco and with Ian Blair, head of the Metropolitan Police, still facing the possibility of crown prosecution over his handling of the aftermath of the Menendes execution-style shooting last July, the police are on the ropes at the moment."

Wally,
What has caused this long list of screwups on the part of the British police? Has it just been a run of bad luck, or is there some institutional problem? If it's just bad luck, then eventually their luck should change. So tossing the Muslims some short-term sops isn't a bad policy if it keeps them from defecting.

I'm not even worried about the Muslims defecting to the Respect Party. If it splits the Labourites then the Tories will benefit and they will continue to be friends of America. I'm more worried about the Muslim community defecting from British society altogether and joining the jihad en masse. Then your country will resemble the U.S. in the 1960's, torn by political violence from one end to the other.

Posted by: Steven L. at June 16, 2006 10:58 PM

profitsbeard,
You don't have to paraphrase Oscar Wilde and confuse us less literary-minded folks. Here in America, we have an old saying that explains it just as well: "It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease."

In Britain, the Muslims are vocal, they're organized, and they carry around with them the implicit threat of violence. That's why they are listened to. Just like the militant blacks in the U.S. in the 1960's.

Remember the Black Panther Party? They didn't just complain about overreaction by police like Galloway's Respect Party does. The Black Panthers got rifles, and organized neighborhood patrols. And when they saw cops doing things to their fellow black citizens that they didn't like, they opened fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

Posted by: Steven L. at June 16, 2006 11:04 PM

I travelled to the future and found this article in a newspaper:

Police frustrated at lack of anti-terrorism success

Captain Obvious
Tuesday February 22nd, 2008

The police are frustrated at their lack of success in fighting terrorism. Four terrorist attacks within the last two years have left 5,000 people dead, and only one alleged strike was succesfully prevented in last November, when two men of Asian background were seen trying to detonate 5,000 kilograms of fertilizer in the middle of Buckingham Palace, after they had decapitated the Prime Minister and his entire family.

A senior police source said: "We became suspicious when we received calls about the Prime Minister being beheaded on live television. We identified the alleged murderers as men of Asian descent, and consulted with local community leaders. We decided not to bring in the men for questioning because it would have sent the wrong message, and could have caused tension within the community. The fertilizer was confiscated because it was obstructing traffic within the Palace."

Other sources said that the police is planning to share more intelligence with local community leaders in order to improve their ability to combat terrorism. More police officers of Asian background are being hired, in cooperation with local community leaders. The police believe that this will considerably reduce community tensions and encourage an atmosphere of dialogue and understanding.

Andy Tool, spokesman for the Metropolitan Police Interfaith Dialogue Initiative Of Trust (MPIDIOT), has stated that the force is considering letting go of many of their caucasian officers because they create unnecessary community tensions and could potentially upset religious sensitivities during anti-terror raids.

In other news, the suspects of last week's car bombing filed a complaint againts the European Union and the United Nations for inhumane treatment when the police refused to give them soft drinks and Playstations while they were in custody. Jack Llama, head of the United Nations Political Correctness Commission, said that the matter was being investigated, and added that a trade embargo againts Britain was not out of the question.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at June 16, 2006 11:11 PM

LOL Supercop, that was superb! Did you write that all yourself? Hahaha...Im gonna distribute this to my friends.

Posted by: Tushar Saxena at June 16, 2006 11:37 PM

Jesus Christ Supercop -- great!

Posted by: jsla at June 16, 2006 11:43 PM

Jesus, that is hilarious!

Posted by: freetoBEfree at June 16, 2006 11:53 PM

Supercop,
LOL.
But the British are going overboard with this intelligence sharing.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 17, 2006 12:10 AM

Steven L.-

I thought I already said the basic "squeaky wheel" stuff before I threw in a little Wilde-ism for the Britis/British content of the article ...since the English are busy outlawing fox hunting (which Oscar W. called "the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible") as they allow the Islamic pressure wave to erode the foundations of their freedoms.

Their priorities are Monty Python-esque.

Bass-ackwards, at best.

(I can only hope the U.K. jihadists end up as badly as the Black Panthers did, since they were essentially dissolved by a combination of police intimidation, infiltration, and internal power struggles, and have ceased to exist, except for some nostalgic T-shirts and obscure rap songs.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 17, 2006 12:10 AM

Creatures this stupid deserve to go extinct. The once great British will eat heartily of the wormy rancid fruit they have cultivated. Survival of the fittest is the name of the game and these sad chumps just don't have a will, to live. What more can be said?

Posted by: abdulalshirk at June 17, 2006 1:10 AM

But don't muslims in the police force have a higher level of corruption due to their religious culture?

How would showing muslims their evidence not add to that?

Posted by: Voltaire at June 17, 2006 1:34 AM

Incredibly stupid!

Posted by: Eleanor at June 17, 2006 2:40 AM

I tell you why don't the police just give up. Somebody out there wants another 7/7 attack to happen, they are deliberately putting obstacles in the way of public safety. This is not just for the good of the British people but for the Muslims as well because should there be an attack greater than the one on 7/7 there will be an ugly situation, one which will see violence and probably civil war, a pretty much one sided one with the odds involved. It takes a lot to get the British people into a state of war but the actions, or rather inactions by this disgraceful government is pushing the British people further into extremism. many will say that extreme times call for extreme action and if this is indeed how the situation is panning out then I can see no other scenario.

Posted by: IceDragon at June 17, 2006 3:46 AM

Have people actually become that stupid over here, or is it just politicians, establishment?

I think that people have much more common sense than the average (European) intellectual. Recent polls rather confirm this. It might be because we have too many intellectuals – the level of understanding doesn’t necessary follow that of the acquired knowledge (perhaps it even opposes it, for most people, past a certain point). It might be because Islamists and leftists are quite generally striving for power (rather than freedom, or happiness) and act essentially among those who exercise power.

If that is correct, we should try to bring the debate on the people level, that is, to have some national vote on Islam.

Posted by: ajm at June 17, 2006 4:26 AM

The discussion is at people level. Vitually everyone has an opinion. The issue fot the UK government is reducing the tensions that ARE building up and as stated above if things do kick off it WILL be horribly one sided. Do not underestimate the will and the spirit of the British.

Posted by: Turbinehead at June 17, 2006 4:47 AM

The discussion will be at the people level when the people will have a voice. Now, it does not – it has only an opinion. And an opinion can easily be presented as irresponsible (or “horribly one sided”). But to get a voice, quite officially, makes people more responsible. Well, it does so at least in the West, and possibly especially in Great Britain, where democracy definitely means more than the power to the largest crowd.

Posted by: ajm at June 17, 2006 5:32 AM

The police are considering a proposal to let selected British Muslims examine the intelligence used to mount anti-terrorism raids before they take place ...

It sounds like an attempt at national suicide.

Never mind anything else, the rationale is dodgy. Why should Muslims qua Muslims be any more capable of assessing the quality of evidence than anyone else? - which is, on the face of it, the claim being made here.

It is, moreover, a tacit recognition of an ideology of multiculturalism - "sharing more information with the community". Has "The Queen in Parliament" sovereignty over the United Kingdom or not? Is the UK a nation-state or a collection of semi-independent "communities" having some kind of (problematic) political relations with the institutions of the state?

It seems to me that either MI5 was listening to a Walter Mitty character, or that their source set them up in conspiracy with the target in order to use political/propaganda rather than violent means to advance the Muslim agenda.

The deeper problem here is a cultural one. Elizabethan - heck, Victorian or Edwardian - Britain, wouldn't have let in people in large numbers who didn't respect the nation they were, supposedly, eager to join. And if they had done so, they wouldn't have allowed those people to dictate to them. British self-confidence has evaporated, and attitudes have been rotted from the inside.

The dream attitudes, the self-hatred, the posturing, the nihilism, may pass away never to re-appear. But by then it may be too late.

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 17, 2006 5:53 AM

I thought the EU was busy abolishing any presumed link between Islam and terrorism by modifying the language used to discuss the matter. I was under the impression that the two were so unrelated that the press wouldn't refer to "Muslims" at all when describing suspects (but instead to "Asians" or "youths").

So on what grounds could the police possibly need to confer with "Muslims" before mounting anti-terrorism raids? Why instead don't they share this intelligence with the "Asian" community as a whole (including Hindus and Sikhs), or even "youths" as a whole?

This move seems to me to imply that future anti-terror raids are most likely to involve Muslims in particular - else why this exclusive sharing of intelligence with Muslims? This decision seems to imply that they think that terrorism has some peculiar link to Muslims. I wonder what that would be about? And I would certainly hope that Muslims themselves would repudiate such an implication by rejecting this special treatment, lest the rest of us draw some disturbing conclusions.

Posted by: Caroline at June 17, 2006 7:40 AM

"...I wish stupidity would hurt..."

From a posting above. Nobody disagrees, only the Brit's and those entrusted with protecting them...

Have you seen the Jihad-freaks pictures? Look at them and you know they will hurt you if they get a chance....

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 17, 2006 7:57 AM

Sheik -- any links to the photos? Elsewhere someone was commenting on the scary visages of these innocent victimized bros.

Posted by: jsla at June 17, 2006 10:43 AM

Actually, whatever the facial expressions of those at the demo, it seems to have been a bit of a damp squib. I just googled around to get some idea of the affair. The organizers claimed a thousand people attended, but the police said there were only about a hundred. So either there is little sympathy among Muslims in London (or near enough for them to bother to travel) or, if there is, they don't think the issue or the time is propitious for a demonstration.

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 17, 2006 11:46 AM

O.T.

The nutters in Turkey have banned Winnie the Pooh, because of Piglet.

This "religion" really has no sense of proportion. Jews don't eat pork, but I never heard of Jews conceiving a hatred of pigs for being pigs - let alone of a cartoon piglet in a striped jumper.

Dealing with Muslims is like dealing with children - and these people are attempting to dictate what the contents of daily newspapers in civilized countries should be. Every time some ludicrous politician apologizes to them or promises to address their imaginary grievances, they feel justified in behaving badly and act up more. Perhaps what they are really in need of is the firm smack of parental authority from Western governments.

Posted by: Yojimbo at June 17, 2006 11:58 AM

here's one image of the two brothers arrested in Forest Gate:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/i-thought-i-would-die/2006/06/14/1149964570096.html

Posted by: wallyUK at June 17, 2006 12:14 PM

According to the locals before the police raid officers were seen drinking tea in cars awaiting orders to move on there target,if that is the case then in my view this is a fatal flaw in the art of supprise.

Posted by: Laststand at June 17, 2006 2:38 PM

Don't think that it is the British who have gone soft, we have not, most of the people who I speak to including Asians like Indians and Chinese people detest the Muslims and what is being done for them at our expense. Yet you raise your concerns such as writing to the BBC or your local council and you can expect them to call the police and have your door kicked off it's hinges at 3am.

People have complained about asylum seekers and they have ended up sitting in a police cell with an effective criminal record of being arrested, that goes on any visa application for life. We are in a grip of terror. I just with someone was able to make the terrorists such as the CRE and the so called human rights people wanting to look over their shoulders and think three times before they opened their mouth to speak.

We need assistance, remember, we relied on US help last time, you knew that if Britain fell how long would it be before the US was under attack? Same thing now, we need people over here, to stop that domino effect. First Kosovo, then Serbia, then France, then Britain, then the US. The people who have a love affair with the Taliban are affecting our ability to survive as independent sovereign states.

We fall, who next?

Posted by: IceDragon at June 17, 2006 2:58 PM

@wallyUK

one picture speaks a thousand words...
and how about the sister of these brothers:

"She said she was part of "a normal, average family" and did not know why they were targeted."

well, if the average british copper has a different perception what "a normal, average family" is than he might need some re-education on the topic... should be easy, now with the fresh new winds in sharing information,etc...

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at June 17, 2006 4:17 PM

There just aren't words....

Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 17, 2006 4:34 PM

Curious to know how the two 'innocent' brothers’ names came up in this terror case. I think one of their mates 'ratted' them out, because they really were a part of a group discussing the killing of large amounts of people!

Did anyone see the interview - when these 'hard working' and 'innocent' brothers were asked - did they support Jihad in Britain? Although they gave part of an answer - "Jihad the peaceful Islamic struggle" - Quickly their answer was cut short when their [radical] overseers, prevented them from answering the question fully. Hmm!

When polled the British people don't think Guantanamo should be closed.

That is interesting!

I seriously think one of these people are going to get through - one day.
It is become a modern day joke!

Last week it was cut the Canadian Prime Minister’s head off and this week in the UK it’s – take you pick - blow up/crash a plane, poison and or bomb, take out power station, electric and water all in one go – to disable the city!

The police should not go in shooting – but don’t forget in the UK and in Spain several policeman have been killed – by alleged terrorist suspects. I think the police are trying to keep the people calm – while they are on high alert – probably scared out of their minds.

Posted by: Pass It On at June 17, 2006 5:40 PM

The police walked into an elephant trap. All over the UK Muslims are taking part in a huge compensation scam. They disconnect their brake lights, overtake cars and commercial vehicles then suddenly stop causing the vehicle behind to run into them. The cars are invariably packed with relatives and/or friends and up to £3000 in compensation can be claimed per occupant. Political correctness rules over here and in one case an insurance company uncovered evidence of gun running by one claimant. They informed the police about this but the police refused to conduct an information unless the insurance company payed for it! So people have probably been murdered as a result.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/insurance/car-insurance/article.html?in_article_id=409249&in_page_id=35

Of course it does not mention Muslims directly but in this climate they don't, you have to be good at reading the media "code"!

Anyway, I digress.

My opinion is that such a situation could be arranged with someone reporting them to the police, the police conduct a raid and find nothing and in our PC Muslim mollycoddling society the "innocent party" is then liable for compensation. These people blow themselves up and think nothing about it, another one of the brothers was involved in the infamous "behead infidels" march watched over by the compliant British bobbies, he was pictured standing next to the idiot dressed as a suicide bomber.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=389508&in_page_id=1770

He probably thought all his birthdays had come at once once he knew he wasn't going to collect his 72 raisins! He could be in line for £600,000 payout thanks to one of their tame solicitors and guess who will be picking up the tab for that though our hard earned money. makes one want to vomit.

Posted by: IceDragon at June 17, 2006 6:12 PM

South Asians 'using drugs more'
By Julia Rooke
Reporter, Sunday's Five Live Report

Drug use among England's South Asian population has
been growing at a faster rate than in the white
population over the past five years, according to the
government's adviser on mental health and ethnicity,
Professor Kamlesh Patel.

Campaigners are drawing on Islam to persuade dealers
to give up

He says drug use started off at a much lower base. Now
it is equal to and could be even proportionately
higher in some inner city areas than the white
population.

Professor Patel has produced the first ever
government-funded survey of drug use among ethnic
minorities using local community groups rather than
trained researchers.

The community-led research project cost £5 million. It
reflects the views and experiences of over 200 ethnic
minority community groups across England with regards
to drug habits.

This particular report presents findings from Asian
communities on drug use and includes recommendations
for care and prevention.

The BBC has been shown a copy of the unpublished
report, which concentrates on drug use among
Pakistani, Bengali and Indian groups.

It shows that crack cocaine use has doubled over three
years. The authors say there is still a great deal of
ignorance about the potential dangers of substance
abuse.

Professor Patel says drug use has increased
considerably in parts of London because of the
increase in the number of South Asians living there.
He says the rise can be linked to the growth in the
numbers of young people under the age of 25.

"There's no question about it that the Pakistani
communities dominate the heroin market in the north of
England. In London, in Tower Hamlets, it is the
Bangladeshis who dominate the market. Then you have
the Turkish gangs as well".

Crack cocaine use is up markedly in South Asian
communities

The extent of the problem has only become apparent
over the past five years, say Professor Patel.

"If we look back to the Eighties people, said: 'Asians
don't use drugs'.

"But all the research we've done over 12 years shows
that's not the case. The case is that drug services
are not appropriate to the needs of those young
people."

The new report highlights poor awareness of local drug
services. According to Professor Patel there has long
been a perception in the Asian communities that drugs
services are meant for white users.

The upsurge in drug use can be seen in northern cities
like Rochdale, where drug dealing in some areas goes
on openly in the streets.

Islamic inspiration

Despairing of what they perceive as police inaction
and the lack of effective drugs services, a group of
local Pakistani professionals decided to patrol the
streets at night to confront the drug dealers earlier
this year.

Members of a group calling itself 'United Against
Drugs' live locally and many of them know who the
local dealers are because they went to school
together.

What distinguishes these campaigners from others is
that their main inspiration is Islam. Their aim is to
persuade dealers and users to give up their habit and
respect their religion.

At first they had ambitious plans to 'name and shame'
the dealers publicly at the mosque and to visit their
parents. They received death threats and backed down
following pressure from local elders and police.

If you try to have a serious conversation they try to
give you abuse back. Most of them take you for a joke

Abdullah, anti-drug campaigner

"We are announcing to every drug pusher that we are
making you redundant. You're going to find another job
and if you don't we're going to come on a head-to-head
collision with you", warns Sidi Umar, a 23-year-old
Muslim cleric and one of the campaign's leaders.

They have been patrolling the streets undeterred.
Dealers have learned to cope with the intrusion by
mocking the group and by pretending to support them.

"If you try to have a serious conversation they try to
give you abuse back. Most of them take you for a
joke," says Abdullah, a 30-year-old taxi driver and
former drug user.

'Respect for religion'

Police say drug dealers use mobile phones like a
take-away delivery service. Dealers use boys as young
as 12 as runners to deliver drugs. They often bribe
them with new pushbikes.

Mr Umar is the moral authority behind the campaign. He
says he sees many local drug dealers praying at the
mosque.

Islam forbids the use of drugs, but he says they don't
know that because they have a superficial
understanding of Islam.

He says explaining Islam to the dealers will encourage
them to kick the habit: "They are drug dealers but one
thing they have is respect for religious people".

Mr Umar believes the next step for the campaigners is
to get local mosques on board their campaign to preach
the dangers of drugs in the traditional Friday sermon.

Alienation fear

He says the tradition of preaching in Urdu is damaging
to the young because most of them have only a
rudimentary understanding of the language.

One imam, Muhammed Siddiq at Rochdale's Al-Furqan
mosque, says he is not aware of drug dealers or users
coming to the mosque. The mosque owner, Mohammed
Iqbal, fears that by introducing English to his mosque
he would alienate the older generation.

"The elders are going to revolt. They're going to say
to you 'we're being kicked out'", he says.

The University of Central Lancashire report also
highlights the importance of getting mosques and
community centres involved in drugs education.

__

Posted by: freetoBEfree at June 17, 2006 8:19 PM

freetoBEfree-

"Islam forbids drug use".

Of course they do.

They don't want any competition.

Their crack is the Koran.

Mainlined 5 times a day.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 17, 2006 11:13 PM

'The police are considering a proposal to let selected British Muslims examine the intelligence used to mount anti-terrorism raids before they take place'

No doubt the police conducting future covert operations will uncover little useful intelligence when entering a suspect's property... but on the other hand there'll be a large pot of piping hot tea and provisions waiting on the table to service a force of 250 men.

Posted by: western infidel at June 17, 2006 11:33 PM